Torchwood Creator Walking Away From Sci-Fi

Torchwood Creator Walking Away From Sci-Fi

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Russell T. Davies says that he wants to leave Torchwood in good health before he moves on to his next project.

Davies, creator of Doctor Who spin-off show, Torchwood, says that he's pretty much done with sci-fi, and his next project will be something more down-to-earth. Davies' association with the science-fiction genre stretches back nearly 20 years, but he's also written a number of acclaimed, non-sci-fi shows, like Queer as Folk and Casanova.

In an interview with the BBC, Davies said that he had destroyed, and saved, the world a few too many times, and that it was time to do something different. He hoped to leave Torchwood in good health for whoever would step into his role after him. The new season of Torchwood moves away from the show's usual home in Cardiff, Wales, but Davies said that the Welsh elements of the show never leave it. The ten-episode season, subtitled "Miracle Day," will pose the question of what would happen if no one on Earth died, and will see the team travel to places like Los Angeles, Washington and Buenos Aires.

Davies also talked about his decision to leave Doctor Who. He said that he didn't regret his choice, and in many ways was relieved, as it meant he didn't have to keep coming up with the material. He still watched the show, however, calling it "literally the best show in the world," and thought that his insider knowledge meant that he enjoyed it all the more.

Torchwood: Miracle Day will start its run in the summer. The producers hope to keep the US and UK runs of the show, which is a co-production with the American network Starz, as close together as possible.

Source: via Blastr

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I am sadden by this news!

Don't really care for the Doctor Who Spin-Offs, but good luck to him all the same.

Thank god, Davies is terrible at writing and directing science fiction.

Casablanca and Queer as folk on the other hand were great, he should stick to that kind of thing permanently.

Ubermetalhed:
Thank god, Davies is terrible at writing and directing science fiction.

Casablanca and Queer as folk on the other hand were great, he should stick to that kind of thing permanently.

You know, I've never seen Queer as Folk or Casablanca, but based on the work he's done for Doctor Who and Torchwood, I'd never look him up.

I don't rate him, without fail all of my favourite Doctor Who episodes were written by other people, Stephen Moffat in particular, and considering his comments about why he killed off most of the Torchwood cast, I can't say I'll miss him.

I never liked Torchwood; it's like they stop every ten minutes to remind the viewers they're gay or bi, like that's some sort of status symbol.

Okay; most of you like it both ways. We get it. Have fun with that. Really.

If you're trying to shock or surprise, you should have tried ten years ago; nowadays, people will look at that and say "Okay. So?".

Erja_Perttu:
I don't rate him, without fail all of my favourite Doctor Who episodes were written by other people, Stephen Moffat in particular, and considering his comments about why he killed off most of the Torchwood cast, I can't say I'll miss him.

Indeed, Moffat taking over as head writer for Doctor Who was great news.

Anyway, didn't practically everyone die?

Rallion:

Erja_Perttu:
I don't rate him, without fail all of my favourite Doctor Who episodes were written by other people, Stephen Moffat in particular, and considering his comments about why he killed off most of the Torchwood cast, I can't say I'll miss him.

Indeed, Moffat taking over as head writer for Doctor Who was great news.

Yeah, I think so. Whilst the last series had it's good, bad and ugly moments, I definitely loved the freshness of the new cast. Tennant's last outings were getting so formulaic and dull I stopped enjoying them, so I'm all for Matt Smith, Karen Gillen and Arthur Darvill getting their groove on.

In a word, good.

Yeahh, this guy may have been working in sci-fi for a while, but he sure doesn't know how to handle it. Full of deus-ex machina, forced lovey-dovey dialogue, Mary Sue protagonist, it has all the ingredients for bad fan-fiction.

On buying a new edition of Hitchhikers Guide, I saw it had a foreword by RTD, and cringed.

That said, this guy did bring Doctor Who back, and while I couldn't stand what he did with it, now that it's in Moffat's hands I find myself able to enjoy it.

In short, good, leave sci-fi behind, you're really not too great at it. Try something else now.

Yay! All the best RTD era Doctor Who episodes were written by Steven Moffat anyway!

I bet he'll probably find a way to bring Rose back even in a completely separate show...

Reed Spacer:
I never liked Torchwood; it's like they stop every ten minutes to remind the viewers they're gay or bi, like that's some sort of status symbol.

Okay; most of you like it both ways. We get it. Have fun with that. Really.

If you're trying to shock or surprise, you should have tried ten years ago; nowadays, people will look at that and say "Okay. So?".

Agreed, although in this regard it did improve considerably after the first season. Funny enough when Harkness was introduced I found the low key introduction of his sexuality to be great - it was nice to see these elements added without making a big deal of them, or making them the most visible part of his characterization. Then Davies turned around and unraveled all of that, it was disappointing.

I wasn't sad to see him leave Doctor Who and I can't say I'm sad to see him leaving science fiction, but I still appreciate him bringing Doctor Who back.

I had high hopes for Torchwood when it first came out, but then it was sufficiently crushed the minute I started watching it. I also didn't like the fact that the main character's sexuality was brought up almost EVERY TIME!

I wasn't sad when he left Doctor Who and I'm not sad now, nor is it gonna make me watch Torchwood to see if it changed.

The thought of no more Davies on Doctor Who or Torchwood has me doing a happy dance. He will not be missed. (I'll probably be skipping the upcoming season of Torchwood after that terrible Children of Earth crap. (Not to mention the terrible final episodes of Doctor Who that he wrote.))

You can praise RTD for the creation of Captain Jack and Torchwood, but do not forget that Harkness was introduced (and probably created) by Steven Moffat in the amazing 2-parter 'Empty Child'/'Doctor Dances'.

Yeah, but Davies gets the credit and all the cash for the spin-off.

Eh, what ever floats his boat. I wish him happiness in whatever he does.

I'm okay with this, because honestly, Torchwood is... Well, kind of shit.

As addicted as I am to Doctor Who, I just can't get into the spin off series. I thought Torchwood would be perfect for too, with how much I love Captain Jack. But they ruined his character, and the new ones they introduced were all so bland and boring. Really disappointing.

Torchwood hasnt been in good health since it beegan. Just trying to ride the Doctor Who popularity bandwagon.

Erja_Perttu:

Ubermetalhed:
Thank god, Davies is terrible at writing and directing science fiction.

Casablanca and Queer as folk on the other hand were great, he should stick to that kind of thing permanently.

You know, I've never seen Queer as Folk or Casablanca, but based on the work he's done for Doctor Who and Torchwood, I'd never look him up.

I don't rate him, without fail all of my favourite Doctor Who episodes were written by other people, Stephen Moffat in particular, and considering his comments about why he killed off most of the Torchwood cast, I can't say I'll miss him.

I agree the only 'New Who' episodes that were good were written by others, the ones he wrote were diabolical and more often than not fucked up the whole Doctor Who mythos.

I'm glad Moffat (he actually knows his Doctor Who) and others have taken control, the last series was at times exceptional and has restored my faith in the series. Also thankgod we've finally got someone who feels like a Doctor, sorry Tennant you felt like you belonged somewhere else.

TimeLord:
Yay! All the best RTD era Doctor Who episodes were written by Steven Moffat anyway!

It felt like my heart stopped when I read he was leaving. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. The bane of Sci-Fi is gone. Hopefully this is a permanent decision for him.

Ubermetalhed:
Also thankgod we've finally got someone who feels like a Doctor, sorry Tennant you felt like you belonged somewhere else.

I know it is your opinion, but I'm curious about what made you feel like Tennant wasn't a Doctor?

I've watched episodes from all past Doctors, and Tennant definitely feels like the Doctor. Tennant is the reason I like the 5th Doctor, Peter Davison, because Tennant has quite a few characteristics of Davison's Doctor.

Heck, they even made a special short that pointed it out.

Beyond that, if I use comparisons of other Doctors, Matt Smith for me gives off vibes of 2nd Patrick Troughton, 6th Colin Baker, and 7th Sylvester McCoy.

I consider Smith's Doctor to be quite crazy, almost too crazy at times. I myself explain that by the possibility that because Tennant's Doctor held on so long before regeneration and that he didn't want to go, he sort of messed up the regeneration, and poof wacky-zany Doctor.

It's a stretch, but I like to think it is plausible.

While it is true that RTD's visible contributions to Doctor Who and Torchwood have been, to be fair, appalling (though I couldn't bear watching more than a few eps of Torchwood, for all I know it became a watchable show at some point)...the only Moffat stuff that wasn't also was with RTD in charge. The latest series of Doctor Who was as bad on average, and often worse, than what came out when RTD was in charge.

Gah...I'm defending RTD...though "Midnight" was quite reasonable, IMHO.

Sonic Doctor:

Ubermetalhed:
Also thankgod we've finally got someone who feels like a Doctor, sorry Tennant you felt like you belonged somewhere else.

I know it is your opinion, but I'm curious about what made you feel like Tennant wasn't a Doctor?

I've watched episodes from all past Doctors, and Tennant definitely feels like the Doctor. Tennant is the reason I like the 5th Doctor, Peter Davison, because Tennant has quite a few characteristics of Davison's Doctor.

Heck, they even made a special short that pointed it out.

Beyond that, if I use comparisons of other Doctors, Matt Smith for me gives off vibes of 2nd Patrick Troughton, 6th Colin Baker, and 7th Sylvester McCoy.

I consider Smith's Doctor to be quite crazy, almost too crazy at times. I myself explain that by the possibility that because Tennant's Doctor held on so long before regeneration and that he didn't want to go, he sort of messed up the regeneration, and poof wacky-zany Doctor.

It's a stretch, but I like to think it is plausible.

Interesting points. Especially the fact you feel Smith is too crazy, I feel completely the opposite. I found Tennant to over-the-top, to deus ex machina and to soft and emotional. Smith has the air about him that underneath the eccentricity there is in fact someone wise and experienced. A good doctor can pull off eccentric and also serious effectively. When the Doctor becomes serious you should feel that there is an underlying reason, one resonating from past experience. When I see Smith it feels like he has the wealth of the previous Doctor's knowledge behind him, Tennant never had this.

If I am honest though, it isn't really Tennant's fault. It is the writing. The character and the situations he was placed in were awful. My main problem is the fact the Doctor seems to have relationships with his companions. As you have said you've seen the classic series, note the dynamic between Doctor and companions. The Doctor is the protector of the companions, he is the hero and is somewhat detached from them; he is a Timelord not a human. The companions, and yes there are usually always two others, they usually have the emotional relationships. Note the recent series, they've restored this and for the better. In fact at times it is almost like they are mocking Davies for changing the dynamic in the first place!

Furthermore Tennant's death/regeneration was a farce. I believe he is the only Doctor to have his death sequence last twenty minutes, it was ridiculous. Also the short you pointed out, while watching it I felt that the divergence between Peter and David was vast, you can perhaps point out some similarities but Davids performance was just so 'childish' in comparison to Peter whose voice carried a certain depth to it, again you can hear an implied experience in his voice. Also hearing Peter say 'timey wimey blah blah' made me cringe.

Of course that's how I see it, I better stop here or this post will be catastrophically long. I have alot more to say but I'm interested in your response first.

Second season Torchwood was awesomeness before they started killing off all the good characters.

Ubermetalhed:

Interesting points. Especially the fact you feel Smith is too crazy, I feel completely the opposite. I found Tennant to over-the-top, to deus ex machina and to soft and emotional. Smith has the air about him that underneath the eccentricity there is in fact someone wise and experienced. A good doctor can pull off eccentric and also serious effectively. When the Doctor becomes serious you should feel that there is an underlying reason, one resonating from past experience. When I see Smith it feels like he has the wealth of the previous Doctor's knowledge behind him, Tennant never had this.

If I am honest though, it isn't really Tennant's fault. It is the writing. The character and the situations he was placed in were awful. My main problem is the fact the Doctor seems to have relationships with his companions. As you have said you've seen the classic series, note the dynamic between Doctor and companions. The Doctor is the protector of the companions, he is the hero and is somewhat detached from them; he is a Timelord not a human. The companions, and yes there are usually always two others, they usually have the emotional relationships. Note the recent series, they've restored this and for the better. In fact at times it is almost like they are mocking Davies for changing the dynamic in the first place!

Furthermore Tennant's death/regeneration was a farce. I believe he is the only Doctor to have his death sequence last twenty minutes, it was ridiculous. Also the short you pointed out, while watching it I felt that the divergence between Peter and David was vast, you can perhaps point out some similarities but Davids performance was just so 'childish' in comparison to Peter whose voice carried a certain depth to it, again you can hear an implied experience in his voice. Also hearing Peter say 'timey wimey blah blah' made me cringe.

Of course that's how I see it, I better stop here or this post will be catastrophically long. I have alot more to say but I'm interested in your response first.

I never saw much of a detachment between the Doctor in his companions. And on the the having the two companions thing, I point out the 6th and the 7th Doctors, because every episode I have been able to watch from them, they had only one companion at a time.

I saw nothing childish about Tennant's performance. It says that he learned to lighten up when he was Davison's Doctor. Though I think the writing was messed up with that bit, because they gave Davison a disposition more of his age then than his age when he played the 5th Doctor. I know of course because Davison was much older for that bit, but the 5th did have a lot more energy when he played it when he was younger.

Seriously, I loved and hated Tennant's regeneration. I hated it not because it was bad, but because he was leaving. I admit that I cried when it happened. But it was an awesome and well deserved regeneration segment. It was nice to see him go back and see the people from his past. I didn't care that it was drawn out.

On Tennant being the crazy Doctor, I don't see that. Yes he was emotional at times, but I can't see where it comes from. It was a stage in the Doctor's life where he just wanted to see things go properly he was tired of things going wrong. Besides I can see why he formed more of an attachment with his companions, he was the last of his kind. You think after that, someone is just going to give up on finding love? Yes he has been married before, but that doesn't mean that he can't be again.

I totally enjoyed the 10th Doctor's character, and Tennant pulled it of magnificently. I saw the reasons of what made him the way he was then, and I can believe it. So what if he was a bit emotional. Hero's can't be totally impervious to what goes on around them, there has to be some effect on them. With Tennant, we finally got to see that the Doctor isn't just a rock who can take it all, there is a humanness to him, and that isn't a bad thing. It doesn't matter if he isn't a human, besides, he has traveled with humans for so long, I would be surprised if he has picked up some habits from them as well as a deep connection. I would think it pretty sad if he hadn't.

The thing is, I'm going to be a little biased. They say that usually the first Doctor that you encounter/grow up with, will be the person's favorite Doctor. Tennant was the first Doctor that I saw the most of before I started delving and watching the episodes of every Doctor. In my list of favorites, Tennant is on top. Followed by Peter Davison and then Tom Baker.

Matt Smith's Doctor would have been a little better for me if the series five finale had been handled better. It was too comical for the situation he was in. Doctor Who hasn't ever really been about comedy, it has been relatively serious. Yes there are comical points here and there. But that finale was one right after another, it was too much. It made Smith's Doctor go from kind of wacky at times, to almost the point of plain nuts. It almost had me at the point that I almost swore off watching until they changed to a new Doctor. On top of that the way he survived this was plain bull compared to how Tennant's survived his problems. I can't believe how people have complained about how Tennant's survived some of his situations, but say nothing about how he was saved at the end of series five(the worst ending of a series in my opinion).

I hope they tone down the comedy in series six, and get a little more serious.

I'd say the new season will probably be kind of gay, but the ironic thing is that's sort of the point...

I know he has already been gone from Doctor Who for about a year but this feels like the end of an era.

Erja_Perttu:

Ubermetalhed:
Thank god, Davies is terrible at writing and directing science fiction.

Casablanca and Queer as folk on the other hand were great, he should stick to that kind of thing permanently.

You know, I've never seen Queer as Folk or Casablanca, but based on the work he's done for Doctor Who and Torchwood, I'd never look him up.

I don't rate him, without fail all of my favourite Doctor Who episodes were written by other people, Stephen Moffat in particular, and considering his comments about why he killed off most of the Torchwood cast, I can't say I'll miss him.

I never heard those comments, can you quote them?

Vault Citizen:
I know he has already been gone from Doctor Who for about a year but this feels like the end of an era.

Erja_Perttu:

Ubermetalhed:
Thank god, Davies is terrible at writing and directing science fiction.

Casablanca and Queer as folk on the other hand were great, he should stick to that kind of thing permanently.

You know, I've never seen Queer as Folk or Casablanca, but based on the work he's done for Doctor Who and Torchwood, I'd never look him up.

I don't rate him, without fail all of my favourite Doctor Who episodes were written by other people, Stephen Moffat in particular, and considering his comments about why he killed off most of the Torchwood cast, I can't say I'll miss him.

I never heard those comments, can you quote them?

Sure thing. The link to the interview is here - http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/torchwood-russell-t-davies-tells-why-he-killed-ianto-jones/

"-When asked if it was a risk to kill off such a central character, Davies said:

"Absolutely. There's a risk that some people won't come back to watch now that Ianto's gone. I thank them for watching the show and I recommend they go watch Supernatural, because those boys are beautiful. And don't tell me they're brothers. [Laughs] Not in my mind."

In response to the reported backlash against Ianto's departure Davies said:

"It's not particularly a backlash. What's actually happening is, well, nothing really to be honest. It's a few people posting online and getting fans upset. Which is marvelous. It just goes to prove how much they love the character and the actor. People often say, 'Fans have got their knives out!' They haven't got any knives. I haven't been stabbed. Nothing's happened. It's simply a few people typing. I'm glad they're typing because they're that involved. But if you can't handle drama you shouldn't watch it. Find something else. Go look at poetry. Poetry's wonderful."-"

That article and the many others like it are the main gist of why I dislike him so much as a writer, because he's completely flippant about his audience, equally flippant with his cast and he comes across as quite arrogant. I didn't like Torchwood much, but some of the characters were compelling. Then some of them died, and I liked Torchwood less, but the ones left were okay. Then Ianto died and I had no investment left in the show. There's a difference between dark drama and just destroying a fanbase.

He's since tried to qualify his comments in further interviews (I came across them looking for this article) but frankly, the attitude displayed in his writing says enough. Character motivation? What character motivation?

Erja_Perttu:

Vault Citizen:
I know he has already been gone from Doctor Who for about a year but this feels like the end of an era.

Erja_Perttu:

You know, I've never seen Queer as Folk or Casablanca, but based on the work he's done for Doctor Who and Torchwood, I'd never look him up.

I don't rate him, without fail all of my favourite Doctor Who episodes were written by other people, Stephen Moffat in particular, and considering his comments about why he killed off most of the Torchwood cast, I can't say I'll miss him.

I never heard those comments, can you quote them?

Sure thing. The link to the interview is here - http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/torchwood-russell-t-davies-tells-why-he-killed-ianto-jones/

"-When asked if it was a risk to kill off such a central character, Davies said:

"Absolutely. There's a risk that some people won't come back to watch now that Ianto's gone. I thank them for watching the show and I recommend they go watch Supernatural, because those boys are beautiful. And don't tell me they're brothers. [Laughs] Not in my mind."

In response to the reported backlash against Ianto's departure Davies said:

"It's not particularly a backlash. What's actually happening is, well, nothing really to be honest. It's a few people posting online and getting fans upset. Which is marvelous. It just goes to prove how much they love the character and the actor. People often say, 'Fans have got their knives out!' They haven't got any knives. I haven't been stabbed. Nothing's happened. It's simply a few people typing. I'm glad they're typing because they're that involved. But if you can't handle drama you shouldn't watch it. Find something else. Go look at poetry. Poetry's wonderful."-"

That article and the many others like it are the main gist of why I dislike him so much as a writer, because he's completely flippant about his audience, equally flippant with his cast and he comes across as quite arrogant. I didn't like Torchwood much, but some of the characters were compelling. Then some of them died, and I liked Torchwood less, but the ones left were okay. Then Ianto died and I had no investment left in the show. There's a difference between dark drama and just destroying a fanbase.

He's since tried to qualify his comments in further interviews (I came across them looking for this article) but frankly, the attitude displayed in his writing says enough. Character motivation? What character motivation?

When I read the part about the Winchester brothers from Supernatural I sighed/huffed. Though at least he is actually bothering to try and pretend they aren't brothers unlike certain members of the Supernatural fanbase.

I can see what you mean, from what your post tells me he does come off as a bit arrogant,uncaring, etc.

Okay, Torchwood was kind of shit- but we owe him, guys. At his worst he was absolutely terrible, but there's been much worse sci-fi and without him we wouldn't have the show. (And Queer As Folk, which was epic.)

 

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