Sony Threatens to Ban PS3 Hackers Forever

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Sony Threatens to Ban PS3 Hackers Forever

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The platform holder is stepping up its efforts to tackle PS3 piracy by kicking hackers off its networks.

All choices have their consequences, and hacking a PS3 is no different. But Sony is now starting to pile on the repercussions, annnouncing that it will permanently ban the PSN and Qriocity accounts of anyone it detects using pirated or hacked software.

In a statement, Sony said that using unauthorized circumvention devices on the PS3 was a violation of the terms and conditions of the "System Software License Agreement for the PlayStation 3 System," the "Terms of Services and User Agreement," and the "Community Code of Conduct." This, in turn, invalidated the consumer guarantee for the console. In addition, it said that using pirated software was a breach of international copyright laws. It made it quite clear that using custom firmware or playing pirated games would earn the perpetrator a permanent ban.

Exactly how much of an incentive this will be for hackers and pirates to mend their ways is unclear. It will certainly deter some of them, but not all of them by any stretch of the imagination. Of course, this is just one weapon in Sony's battle with the hackers, not a magic wand that will fix the problem in a single stroke. Sony doesn't say when it will start banning people, so anyone who's concerned would be well advised to get their PS3 back on the official line as soon as possible.

Source: Game Informer

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And while Sony threatens pirates, Microsoft has already banned a million in one go.

Pick up the pace Sony, PSN needs cleaning.

hahaha. Funny. Anyone that hacks their PS3 probably ain't playing it online anyway sooooo <_<.

Selvec:
hahaha. Funny. Anyone that has a PS3 ain't playing it online anyway sooooo <_<.

Fixed that for you..

(btw, bit of fun, I own a PS3 and a 360 and play neither online :p)

Why wouldn't you give hackers a life-time ban? Why is this even a threat and not just obvious statements? Just do it. Nao.

Well here's a suggestion.

How about, anyone who doesn't like being told what they are allowed to do with their $300 product they purchased in good faith with expectations of being able to do with it what they want simply not BUY your system Sony?

Seems to me Sony forgets how much money they were losing not TWO YEARS AGO when their platform was wallowing in last place and they were hemorraging cash.

I mean, for frak's sake, why can't I change the bloody color of the FONT yet on the dashboard? Is there a way to pirate games using that feature?! What about my ability to use any harddrive I want? What about my preference to use Linux? What about being able to better organize my music folders?

Instead of bitching about what people are trying to work around your draconian rules for a product they PURCHASED from you willingly, you concentrate on making the product more efficient and appealing? Like I don't know, making more GAMES? Because as an RPG player, I can literally count the decent RPG's on the PS3 on ONE hand, and all the rest of the RPG's with the other.

The way things stand right now, if my 60 gig PS3 ever gives up the ghost, I won't be buying a new one to replace it.

oh Sony, you are just TOO nice.

It'll be interesting as soon as they get their first false-positive.

sure y not. It doesn't affect anyone with a legitimate PS3. Feel free to Ban away SONY.

Hubilub:
Why wouldn't you give hackers a life-time ban? Why is this even a threat and not just obvious statements? Just do it. Nao.

Here here, my good man.

*raises glass*

Good to have you back, btw.

Fuck's sake, they better get on with it. Kind of sick of seeing myself get stuck on the leaderboards just cause some punk decides to do it the easy way.

DTWolfwood:
sure y not. It doesn't affect anyone with a legitimate PS3. Feel free to Ban away SONY.

This. Seriously the only people bitching about the affair are those who want to hack the thing. I love the argument of "I bought it so I can do whatever the hell I want with it even if it means undercutting the rest of Sony's income". Yeah. They're a company, they want to make money, if they just go "herp derp hack all you want lol!" people are just going to use pirated games ad infinitum, sony will make no money and their problems will deepen.

I do agree that it's a bit of a null threat, I mean it was kinda assumed they'd do it...but at least it will go some ways to getting it through the thick skulls of the people using the hacks and if it doesn't then at least we don't have to deal with their crap anymore.

Or, just let them play hacked games or custom firmware but spam them with unturnoffable popup ads.

SO anyone who wants to use it as a linux box can't use it to play games online as well... I thought Sony would reintroduce the other operating system feature once they stopped selling PS3s at a loss, but I guess not.

Good for Sony, ban every last one of them.

DonTsetsi:
SO anyone who wants to use it as a linux box can't use it to play games online as well... I thought Sony would reintroduce the other operating system feature once they stopped selling PS3s at a loss, but I guess not.

Sure they can, it's called a PC.

HyenaThePirate:
Well here's a suggestion.

How about, anyone who doesn't like being told what they are allowed to do with their $300 product they purchased in good faith with expectations of being able to do with it what they want simply not BUY your system Sony?

Seems to me Sony forgets how much money they were losing not TWO YEARS AGO when their platform was wallowing in last place and they were hemorraging cash.

I mean, for frak's sake, why can't I change the bloody color of the FONT yet on the dashboard? Is there a way to pirate games using that feature?! What about my ability to use any harddrive I want? What about my preference to use Linux? What about being able to better organize my music folders?

Instead of bitching about what people are trying to work around your draconian rules for a product they PURCHASED from you willingly, you concentrate on making the product more efficient and appealing? Like I don't know, making more GAMES? Because as an RPG player, I can literally count the decent RPG's on the PS3 on ONE hand, and all the rest of the RPG's with the other.

The way things stand right now, if my 60 gig PS3 ever gives up the ghost, I won't be buying a new one to replace it.

This.

This is the reason I have CFW on my PSP- not because I pirate games and want to "steal" Sony's monies. Simply because without it, the PSP sucks. CFW allows me to totally customise my PSP, play ripped copies of my legally bought and owned ps1 games and use loads of other awesome software (pdf readers etc etc).

If Sony (although it's not just Sony, other companies too) actually spent their time making their official software better than it's custom counterpart instead of hunting down and punishing those who use custom software etc- maybe more people would feel inclined to actually use the official software and services...

Just a thought.

HyenaThePirate:
Well here's a suggestion.

How about, anyone who doesn't like being told what they are allowed to do with their $300 product they purchased in good faith with expectations of being able to do with it what they want simply not BUY your system Sony?

Seems to me Sony forgets how much money they were losing not TWO YEARS AGO when their platform was wallowing in last place and they were hemorraging cash.

I mean, for frak's sake, why can't I change the bloody color of the FONT yet on the dashboard? Is there a way to pirate games using that feature?! What about my ability to use any harddrive I want? What about my preference to use Linux? What about being able to better organize my music folders?

Instead of bitching about what people are trying to work around your draconian rules for a product they PURCHASED from you willingly, you concentrate on making the product more efficient and appealing? Like I don't know, making more GAMES? Because as an RPG player, I can literally count the decent RPG's on the PS3 on ONE hand, and all the rest of the RPG's with the other.

The way things stand right now, if my 60 gig PS3 ever gives up the ghost, I won't be buying a new one to replace it.

I paid $600 for mine, and I have no problems with this at all. Quite the contrary, it makes me happy to the point of laughing out loud knowing that Sony's banning every one of them. Hack your PS3 and lose PSN connectivity. Or don't, and continue to have access to PSN. Quite simple really.

MercurySteam:
And while Sony threatens pirates, Microsoft has already banned a million in one go.

Pick up the pace Sony, PSN needs cleaning.

The only reason Microsoft has already had to ban a million people is because a million people have hacked there crap system.

Giantpanda602:

MercurySteam:
And while Sony threatens pirates, Microsoft has already banned a million in one go.

Pick up the pace Sony, PSN needs cleaning.

The only reason Microsoft has already had to ban a million people is because a million people have hacked there crap system.

It was hacked almost the same day it was released.

Take one hacker out and five more will take his place. Just like Anonymous.

The_root_of_all_evil:
It'll be interesting as soon as they get their first false-positive.

That thing about 1 in a 1000 being a horrible accuracy rate? :(

OT: In the firmware hacking I support the hackers all the way. 'Tis a little thing called freedom and I know you can't have much of it these days, I kinda like it.

As for "Just put up with it" "Its sony's blah blah to do with what they want"... I have a brick. I shall do what I want with it. Like throw it at windows. before you get sad though, don't worry, I attached a Licensing agreement stating that by allowing my brick through your window, all legal blame passed on to you and not me.

And because I feel too serious right now: Candy Unicorn Muffins for everyone!

Why even warn people about this? Just go ahead and ban, don't make a public statement about it... Unless this is just one of those "Don't do that or I'll really really hurt you" warnings that end up with you doing absolutely nothing because you're afraid of actually losing the current clientèle, even if it includes pirates, because you need to sell that hardware.

A ban without warning is the best kind of ban.

runedeadthA:

The_root_of_all_evil:
It'll be interesting as soon as they get their first false-positive.

That thing about 1 in a 1000 being a horrible accuracy rate? :(

OT: In the firmware hacking I support the hackers all the way. 'Tis a little thing called freedom and I know you can't have much of it these days, I kinda like it.

As for "Just put up with it" "Its sony's blah blah to do with what they want"... I have a brick. I shall do what I want with it. Like throw it at windows. before you get sad though, don't worry, I attached a Licensing agreement stating that by allowing my brick through your window, all legal blame passed on to you and not me.

And because I feel too serious right now: Candy Unicorn Muffins for everyone!

The brick doesn't provide you free access to a closed network. Sorry, analogy failed.

Giantpanda602:

MercurySteam:
And while Sony threatens pirates, Microsoft has already banned a million in one go.

Pick up the pace Sony, PSN needs cleaning.

The only reason Microsoft has already had to ban a million people is because a million people have hacked there crap system.

Thank you for establishing yourself as a PS3 fanboy. And so early too.....

The one thing I dont like is when companies put Modders in the same boat as hackers. I dont update my Wii because I run custom programs on it not to hack games and "be all that", but to make the console run at its optimized ability. Wii is the only one out of the three without a DVD Drive, but some tech savvy people might want to run their DVD's on it, so they'll adjust the programming and/or hardware for it to run better both at DVD's, and optimize the drive for game discs itself, lowering load times etc.

Well this might keep pirates and hackers off psn but i kinda doubt it will deter them. Especially the hackers that are genuinly just interested in running thier own code.

runedeadthA:

OT: In the firmware hacking I support the hackers all the way. 'Tis a little thing called freedom

I am sick of hackers trying to hide behind this bullshit.

Hackers are not some brave freedom fighters trying to overthrow the evil corporate forces that prevent people around the world from having fun, they are just some self entitled dipshits that use lame excuses like "freedom" to do as they please no matter how many rules or laws they brake.

Yes, there are a handful of people that only use stuff like homebrew for home made games and some other ok software, but those are in the minority.

oh yeah punish the evil people who gave you all the pirating trouble by removing the otherOS feature from your 600$ console.

Sounds fine to me. My only gripe is the amount of crying we'll hear on the interwebs once they do. Though really the tears of a banned hacker are sweet, sweet tears.

IDK - kinda fence posting . . . I can see where SONY (and MS) are coming from, but at the same time, I don't see much of a problem with modifying firmware . . .

. . . perhaps that's just the PC 1337157 in me. We can easily modify our hardware, firmware (and most) software to our heart's content . . . the only thing that'll screw you is if you foobar it and try to get it warrantied, most manufacturers simply won't cover such modifications - although, some will if you're up-front with them about it.

That's where I don't see SONY's or MS' point. I can understand users how hack the systems to play illegal copies of games, but if you're doing it for better system flexibility or additional "features" than I don't really view that as wrong (although it does violate EULA).

HyenaThePirate:
Well here's a suggestion.

How about, anyone who doesn't like being told what they are allowed to do with their $300 product they purchased in good faith with expectations of being able to do with it what they want simply not BUY your system Sony?

Seems to me Sony forgets how much money they were losing not TWO YEARS AGO when their platform was wallowing in last place and they were hemorraging cash.

I mean, for frak's sake, why can't I change the bloody color of the FONT yet on the dashboard? Is there a way to pirate games using that feature?! What about my ability to use any harddrive I want? What about my preference to use Linux? What about being able to better organize my music folders?

Instead of bitching about what people are trying to work around your draconian rules for a product they PURCHASED from you willingly, you concentrate on making the product more efficient and appealing? Like I don't know, making more GAMES? Because as an RPG player, I can literally count the decent RPG's on the PS3 on ONE hand, and all the rest of the RPG's with the other.

The way things stand right now, if my 60 gig PS3 ever gives up the ghost, I won't be buying a new one to replace it.

Iglock:
This.

This is the reason I have CFW on my PSP- not because I pirate games and want to "steal" Sony's monies. Simply because without it, the PSP sucks. CFW allows me to totally customise my PSP, play ripped copies of my legally bought and owned ps1 games and use loads of other awesome software (pdf readers etc etc).

If Sony (although it's not just Sony, other companies too) actually spent their time making their official software better than it's custom counterpart instead of hunting down and punishing those who use custom software etc- maybe more people would feel inclined to actually use the official software and services...

Just a thought.

How about you stop bitching about the ps3 and look at it from sony's point of view. Sure you may prefer the other options and not play hacked games, but how are they to know that? Piracy is gonna be costing them thousands if not millions of dollars and they are taking measures to minimise those losses. If your so pissed about the ps3 features and/or games get a PC or 360.

The_root_of_all_evil:
It'll be interesting as soon as they get their first false-positive.

THIS.
I am not sure about this. If Sony was able to detect it, they would have done it by now instead of empty suing threads.

I wonder how many they'll actually catch, though. People have already mentioned not taking your console online, and I'm sure there are/will be other circumvention methods.

In the end, I can't help but feel this is more like a feelgood gesture for Sony than any real practical step.

Zachary Amaranth:
I wonder how many they'll actually catch, though. People have already mentioned not taking your console online, and I'm sure there are/will be other circumvention methods.

In the end, I can't help but feel this is more like a feelgood gesture for Sony than any real practical step.

remember how all PS3 consoles suffered that age of darkness due to a programming era and 'trophys not being recognized'

I think there are other checks, probably circumventable checks but none the less, more than signing in

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