ModDB Shuts Down School Shooter Mod

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ModDB Shuts Down School Shooter Mod

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The website that hosted materials for School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 decided to completely remove the mod from its database.

After the interview I conducted with Pawnstick, the developer of School Shooter, there has been a flood of vitriol both for and against the mod. Jack Thompson even sounded off with a letter to Gabe Newell of Valve, supposedly because the mod uses the Half-Life source code and Newell has the authority to stop it. In response to all the unwanted attention, the administrators of ModDB, the self-proclaimed largest repository of games, mods and addons on the web, removed School Shooter: North American Tour 2012. INtense!, the Managing Director of ModDB owners DesuraNET, said that although he respects a creator's right to free speech, he thought that School Shooter was deliberately in bad taste and ceased hosting it to remove any confusion that his website supported or encouraged such content.

"We believe in the freedom of speech, the right to share information and be creative. We have enjoyed watching mod developers push the boundaries for years and create amazing content, and shall always do this," INtense! said. "On one hand we find the content to be deliberately offensive and in poor taste, but on the other we also feel people should have the right to be creative and share what they want."

The problem ModDB faced was that it received a flood of hate emails from ignorant people who assumed that the website was a haven for miscreants and degenerates. "We are currently receiving quite a bit of threatening mail as people believe we are the creators, supporters and makers of this content. I want to stress that this absolutely isn't the case. We have never encouraged or made any content, we disagree with the mod."

INtense! felt that the only way to protect the rest of the authors on ModDb was to remove School Shooter entirely. "We don't want the hard work of thousands of other mod developers to be threatened by people misunderstanding this one mod/game, and assuming all others are like it."

I first brought the School Shooter mod to the attention of the world because I seriously thought it crossed the line from a mature-rated videogame into something wholly other. Speaking to Pawnstick did little to dissuade me from the conclusion that this mod was the project of someone who might be capable of, say, shooting up innocent students at his school, and did little to move the medium forward. Another interviewer at Beefjack.com asked Pawnstick who the intended audience of School Shooter is and he replied, "Anyone who wants to be a school shooter, but is too big of a pussy to actually do anything."

I think that sentiment is downright frightening and has no place in the videogame industry. I support ModDB's action to no longer host or support School Shooter: North American Tour 2012.

Source: ModDB

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I am glad this was taken down.

This is just as lame and pointless as Rapelay IMO.

And ModDB crumbles under pressure.

Ya, this mod needs to burn in Hell. Props to those guys for having the moral fortitude to take it down. Seems to me the guy who made it is either incapable of empathy, or an epic troll. Either way, there's no reason for this mod to exist; it's just sick.

That Pawnstick is a sick fuck IMHO

Indeed, if the kid wants people to play it then let him distribute it on his own so that he can take all the shit for it.

Also, since Gabe Newell never did do anything (not like he could) did Jack Thompson ever follow up on his threat?

IMO This should have the right to be released.
Anything that resembles school shootings is the name and the maps.

Once again, gaming flinches at the first threat of controversy.

I agree it was in poor taste, but there are plenty of films that are in poor taste, yet they reinforce the artistic freedom of the medium. (I'm looking at you, Inglourious Basterds.)

Now Jack will say that Newell told them to take down the mod and they did so and Jack won't learn anything!

Slippery slope there, when you do something like this you are pointing out that there is a line to be crossed, and now people like Jack are going to start arguing were exactly that line should be.

Also, if the creates of the mod realy have some balls, they will keep working on it and post it on their own website, but there is a chance that they are just a bunch of d-bags looking for attention.

Works for me. People deliberately being morons is bad.
Pawnstick probably needed a few more slaps around the ear as a child.

I don't usually do this but, captcha: and/or lemroll.
Wat?

They did the right thing. They have a responsibility to represent themselves and the modders they host.

Frankly, that's a bit disappointing. It reminds me of that incident with South Park being censored because of threats, which was atrocious.

The mod was horrible and offensive in theory, but if you never saw the backstory and just saw the gameplay, you'd have no idea it was anything other than a standard survival mod with the gimmick that you have to shoot first. The whole thing just seems blown out of proportion to me, considering the huge disconnect between content and what the content represents.

I understand their choice, and this is not a mod I would mourn at all, but I feel a little sad whenever something like this happens. Although I think this guy didn't intend to innovate at all, there's bound to be others that want to push boundaries that are going to find their freedom is conditional as a result of precedent.

James Raynor:
And ModDB crumbles under pressure.

Yeah, businesses sure hate it when douchebags who pretend their crap has real value make them look bad. Who do those assholes think they are protecting their own interests at the expense of one tactless twat?

Greg Tito:
Another interviewer at Beefjack.com asked Pawnstick who the intended audience of School Shooter is and he replied, "Anyone who wants to be a school shooter, but is too big of a pussy to actually do anything."

I think that sentiment is downright frightening and has no place in the videogame industry.

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Truer words have never been spoken, Mr. Tito.

And yet we have films such as:

Duck! The Carbine High Massacre

Glad its down.

I have no issues with the game itself, but that guy seemed like a heartless dick and I will not support a man like that.

Successful troll is epic-level successful.

PoweD:
IMO This should have the right to be released.

They have the right to release it, they just don't get a guarantee that someone else will host it for them. ModDB has the right to host what they want to - it's their site and their bandwidth.

The developer could put it on their own hosting or share it freely via BitTorrent to distribute it if they want to.

I wonder how many movies can be as "tasteless" as a video game and no one says anything. Also what about books, I'm sure there are books that can be just as tasteless.

Now we'll see Jack Thompson gloat over his supposed "success" within a week

Damn i wanted to see an awesome troll war between Valve and Jack Thompson :(

Drummie666:

Now Jack will say that Newell told them to take down the mod and they did so and Jack won't learn anything!

*sigh* yea. I hate to think it, but you're right. Jack will see this a a personal victory and will honestly think that he was responsible for it's removal.

I would be kind of annoyed about this, except that the mod looks like attention seeking garbage.I find it hard to defend people who aren't really trying to accomplish anything beyond being attacked.

chemicalreaper:
Once again, gaming flinches at the first threat of controversy.

I agree it was in poor taste, but there are plenty of films that are in poor taste, yet they reinforce the artistic freedom of the medium. (I'm looking at you, Inglourious Basterds.)

There is NO expression of artistic freedom in this. Read the guy's interview. He's not an artist.

OT: This is how it should be.

I think that's a fair decision, the reasons they gave were pretty sound.

At first I was going to say it was a shame that they gave into the demands of people like Jack Thompson, even if the game is horrid, but after hearing from the game's creator, I have to approve of what ModDB did. I like free speech and all, but sometimes there needs to be a line.

While I don't like that Loony Thompson was the one to instigate this given that he has no clue where half the media he attacks comes from.

I agree the mod is in highly poor taste. But then I disagree with ALOT of things I'm just too lazy to march my personal army (see: a dachshund and Pokemon figurine collection) upon the hapless souls who craft objects of my ire.

It has the right to exist, but if ModDB doesn't want that rep I don't effing blame them. Take that crap off your listings pronto.

Always a but isn't there? We're all for freedom of expression. But. An oxymoron that always bothered me that.

Still, hadn't had plans to play the thing anyway, still feels that for all the times games like GTA, Mortal Kombat, Postal et al. are defended it comes off as people sitting on a scale with regards to what they're willing to allow with fiction, replete with points at which they think things have gone too far.

I'm not expecting people to defend the content, just that they stick to their principles (if indeed they claim freedom of speech or expression as one of those), and yes, that means taking the shit with the gold. What you feel comfortable with and what makes you want to vomit. And again, you are under no obligation to view on consume any material with which you find offensive.

Hey, no one is saying this game can't be made... but it is pretty obvious that he is going to have trouble finding an engine, a publisher, financiers and such... People don't want to be a part of this, and as much as it is his right to make it, it is their right to say "I don't want ANYTHING to do with this."
So by all means, bro, go ahead and make your game. But instead of using other peoples' work to create a mod, now you need to build the game yourself. OH HOW TRAGIC.
Good luck finding support for something like this.

While I don't like that Loony Thompson was the one to instigate this given that he has no clue where half the media he attacks comes from.

I agree the mod is in highly poor taste. But then I disagree with ALOT of things I'm just too lazy to march my personal army (see: a dachshund and Pokemon figurine collection) upon the hapless souls who craft objects of my ire.

It has the right to exist, but if ModDB doesn't want that rep I don't effing blame them. Take that crap off your listings pronto.

Yay, robbing people of the chance to see and evaluate the thing for themselves, that's how to tell ignorant banhappy offended hysterics to respect plurality of opinion!

...not that it'll hurt the thing. By the looks of it controversy is pretty much the only thing it's got going for it, and like other similarly crude games such as Rapelay, it'll only take off after the banhappy offended crowd provided it with invaluable marketing.

So congratulations to the hapless puritans for doing just the exact opposite of what they want, by spreading knowledge of and interest in this previously utterly insignificant game far and wide.

This isn't just a small controversy. This is something that no one should want to see. It's not just "this is in bad taste because it's a game", it's something that would be in bad taste in any medium.

I wouldn't want to watch a movie where some guy went on a shooting rampage in a school. I wouldn't even want to read a book about it or look at a painting of it. This isn't freedom of artistic expression, this is just completely crossing the line.

As gamers, we stand up for our medium when a game is harassed because of the medium it is. For example, when a war game is trying to portray a very specific battle with very specific people. In a movie, it would be acceptable, but in a game it would be controversial. This is where we stand up for games. But if it's something that no one would ever want to see in any situation EVER, then it's crossed the line.

Also don't forget that ModDB is NOT at the beck and call of 1 modder and must look at the interests of the majority who release content on their site. Also lawless squirrel, how can you claim if you didn't know any back story this would be a survival horror? The UNARMED, NON-AGGRESSIVE students flee at the sight of you and NEVER attack no matter how many you gun down. The entire mod is in poor taste and the developer is not doing this to expand the medium but as a slap in the face to people everywhere.

KeyMaster45:
Indeed, if the kid wants people to play it then let him distribute it on his own so that he can take all the shit for it.

Also, since Gabe Newell never did do anything (not like he could) did Jack Thompson ever follow up on his threat?

He probably took all the credit for it being taken down and is now taking paypal donations for his humanitarian efforts.

"Anyone who wants to be a school shooter, but is too big of a pussy to actually do anything."

thats the deciding factor, right there.

Im pretty sure if Al Quieda had training programs on the site, they would take those down as well. Free speech or not....

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