Geohot Claims He's Never Heard of Sony Computer Entertainment of America

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Geohot Claims He's Never Heard of Sony Computer Entertainment of America

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Lawyers for George Hotz, the most famous PlayStation 3 hacker in the world, say his client thought Sony was a Japanese company and had no idea that Sony Computer Entertainment of America even existed.

The Sony v. Geohot case is complicated and I'm easily confused, so maybe there's something about this particular argument that makes sense and it's just going over my head. I could buy the idea that George Hotz didn't know Sony Computer Entertainment of America was based in California, but his argument that he didn't know it existed at all? That's a little tougher to swallow. That's his story, though, and it looks like he's sticking to it.

"When one purchases a PlayStation Computer and looks at its outer box, it has plastered on numerous places that it is a product of Sony Japan and all rights belong to Sony Japan. It only references Sony Japan - not SCEA," his lawyer explained in a court filing. "When one takes the PlayStation Computer out of its box and inspects it, it states it is a product of Sony Japan and all rights belong to Sony Japan. It does not reference California. When one installs the PlayStation Computer firmware update that Mr. Hotz allegedly circumvented, which can legally be obtained through the internet as Mr. Hotz did, upon installation, it only refers to Sony Japan."

Hotz also declared in a separate document - under penalty of perjury, mind - that he was unaware of the existence of Sony Computer Entertainment of America. He claimed that the manuals for the used consoles he purchased, which are the only documentation included with the system that actually mention SCEA or California, were either missing or got tossed out without being looked at, and that the one that came with the new Slim system he purchased has never been looked at and is in fact still sealed. His lawyer even took multiple photographs of the package and unopened manuals as proof that Hotz never read it and thus knew nothing about SCEA.

Why is this important? It's a matter of establishing jurisdiction. Hotz and his lawyers are arguing that the case should be thrown out because the state of California doesn't have jurisdiction over the matter and while the idea that he'd never heard of SCEA is patently silly, if Sony can't prove otherwise it might find itself in a bit of a sticky wicket.

Sony ran into similar issues when it tried to pin newly-created PSN accounts on Hotz, claiming that the Terms of Service agreement establish jurisdiction, but that argument appears to have fallen through since the serial number in question doesn't actually match up and the company has been unable to provide any other links between the accounts and Hotz.

And if you're wondering why Hotz kept the packaging and still-sealed manuals for the PS3 Slim he bought while everything else ended up in the garbage, the answer is simple. "Because it was pretty," he said.

Source: Ars Technica

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ahh, legal loopholes, they're so much fun, but seriously. How can you be a hacker and not know who exactly is trying to fight against your hacking

you'd think he'd know about who he was hacking, this is getting pretty ridiculous
stupid lawyers

How in god's name does he think he can get away with playing stupid? The guy clearly is not that much of an idiot to not know that SCEA exists, he was smart enough to crack the PS3 so I'm 100% positive he is smart enough to know SCEA exists. Heck I knew it existed more than ten years ago!

Also thank you for using the rap video picture of him in any news related to this, it always makes me laugh.

Of course he's really heard of it; he's just doing as Mr Lawyer says. Am interested to see how this pans out.

He's just playing Sony's game.

Actually, this is a good thing for him, because that is true. Feigning ignorance is playing by typical court rules and sony are being complete assholes about this court case so far.

Under penalty of perjury or not, I'm not sure I believe him. Seems a long shot.

Fuck yeah. I love this guy. About time he started fucking with Sonys lawyers just for giggles.

Ok, now I'm seriously running out of popcorn, can we just wrap this up?

This is now getting less interesting and more in the realm of can this get even more ridiculous. I thought it was obvious that Sony would have a "base" here like Nintendo does, like I would assume that Microsoft would have one in Japan. But I guessed wrong apparently.

Also, keeping the still-sealed manuals because they look pretty? Now that's just silly.

I don't know about America, but in the UK I'm damn sure that wouldn't fly. Ignorance doesn't shield you from the law. If Sony provided those manuals, it's his responsibility to read them.

Anyway, this guy seems like a right knob. Take the git down!

It aint true but how are they gonna prove it..lie detectors..lawls those aren't 100% so they can never 100% prove it.

Because they were pretty is perfectly plausible to me. I know I'D do that. ;D

I know stupid stuff like this has to happen, it's all part of the legal process. But he's making himself look like a complete idiot with this.

poor dumb bastard i hope he loses

In the words of the jaegermonsters "he iz a schmot guy".

This is getting quite silly now, and the more i hear about the exploits of Sir Geohot i'm starting to doubt his innocence.

Kheapathic:
I know stupid stuff like this has to happen, it's all part of the legal process. But he's making himself look like a complete idiot with this.

I agree, but I think he honestly does not care at this point.

Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt

-Ben Franklin

hmm I wondered what scea stood for

I sincerely hope to see a comedy released in the future about this man's adventures.

I think he is kinda justified using a legal loophole like this when Sony are using technical flim-flam about hard drive tampering to confuse people, and also making up the account thing (maybe)

The thing is, this isn't even the actual legal case. This is the case deciding where the real case should happen. But it's dragging on a bit.

At this stage, you'd think it would be cheaper for Sony to give him a job.

Ladies and gentlemen, our champion of consumer rights! *sarcastic clapping*
I know that it would set a bad precedent, but it's getting to the point where I think it would be worth it. I want this douchebag to lose this case. Why did the person involved in this case have to be a Grade-A jackass?

Oh, this is getting better and better! What next, Sony claims Geohot is secretly an employee? :'D

Glad to see him fighting back. Let those assholes have it, man.

Verlander:
I don't know about America, but in the UK I'm damn sure that wouldn't fly. Ignorance doesn't shield you from the law. If Sony provided those manuals, it's his responsibility to read them.

Anyway, this guy seems like a right knob. Take the git down!

And even if he didn't, he must have actually played a game on one of those PS3s at some point. I imagine Sony continued something that was done on the PS2, which was to have copyright information, including the words "Sony Computer Entertainment of America", before the main menu of a game.

This is getting ridiculous... I think its dumb that sony even tried to se, but at the same time we could have a better figurehead protecting homebrew for the PS3... I mean, you can't choose who fights on your side, but it would be nice to have someone a little better off...

Cain_Zeros:

Verlander:
I don't know about America, but in the UK I'm damn sure that wouldn't fly. Ignorance doesn't shield you from the law. If Sony provided those manuals, it's his responsibility to read them.

Anyway, this guy seems like a right knob. Take the git down!

And even if he didn't, he must have actually played a game on one of those PS3s at some point. I imagine Sony continued something that was done on the PS2, which was to have copyright information, including the words "Sony Computer Entertainment of America", before the main menu of a game.

Precisely, although harder to prove.

Bullshit.

He must have played a PS1 game at some point and MUST have noticed the "Sony Computer Entertainment of America" below the PS1 logo.

This argument doesn't hold water.

Why do you use the same picture of Geohotz every time there's news about him?

I didn't know there was a SCEoA untill now...
I always thought Sony was based in Japan.
But again I live in Canada.

Sony trolled in round 1, and now they're being trolled back. Seems fair to me.

For some reason, I see Geohot as pulling a Three Stooges-ism right now, going "Nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk" at Sony.

Verlander:
I don't know about America, but in the UK I'm damn sure that wouldn't fly. Ignorance doesn't shield you from the law. If Sony provided those manuals, it's his responsibility to read them.

Anyway, this guy seems like a right knob. Take the git down!

You're under legal obligation to read the manuals of consumer electronics you purchase, as opposed to just throwing them in the box they came in and putting the box up somewhere to look pretty?

Uh-oh, I'm in a lot of trouble then.

Cain_Zeros:

Verlander:
I don't know about America, but in the UK I'm damn sure that wouldn't fly. Ignorance doesn't shield you from the law. If Sony provided those manuals, it's his responsibility to read them.

Anyway, this guy seems like a right knob. Take the git down!

And even if he didn't, he must have actually played a game on one of those PS3s at some point. I imagine Sony continued something that was done on the PS2, which was to have copyright information, including the words "Sony Computer Entertainment of America", before the main menu of a game.

There's knowing SCEA exists, and there's knowing SCEA exists as a separate legal entity.

Stupid ass. Damn near everyone in gaming knows what the SCEA is. This strikes me of that little bit of legislature that says that ignorance of a law does not make one free of it's consequences when that law is broken.

While this whole argument is idiotic, i still find the fact that picking a State in US law can pretty much win or loose you the case. That's the most idiotic law system ever invented and even with such ignorant excuses, it well deserves to be abused. Just decide on one law and get over it rather than trying to choose the 'best' judge for your case.

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