Anonymous Halts Sony Attacks Affecting PSN Users

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ArmorArmadillo:
Can anyone name bigtime execs who have ever been brought down because of Anon? Or is it just "Woot, we randomly inconvenienced part of the company for a while we're the heroes" and internet pundits gleefully adore them.

Aaron Barr.

If that was a genuine question, you will look up him, his company, what they were doing and what played out when Anonymous got involved.

ArmorArmadillo:
Can anyone name bigtime execs who have ever been brought down because of Anon? Or is it just "Woot, we randomly inconvenienced part of the company for a while we're the heroes" and internet pundits gleefully adore them.

Aaron Barr, CEO of HBGary lost his job because of them. He was also performing less than legal searches and planned on selling poor information to the FBI. They saved tax payers a fair amount of cash by outing a fraud and cost a corrupt business millions of dollars.

I'd say that is pretty big.

To be honest though, I don't see the same happening to Sony. What I do see happening is that a lot of attention gets paid to the way Sony plans on treating customers who purchase their products.

Anon seem very effective at drawing attention to unwholesome individuals and companies, I think thats a good thing. The hyperbole of their messages is just plain funny though.

I'm glad that they're drawing attention to this issue, I think it should make more people aware of big companies trying to throw their weight around unnecessarily.

Um... My question is "WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?!"

Let's say rogers mobile acts in a "wholly unacceptable" manner and I hack their networks... Can I really claim to be surprised when suddenly no one can send texts or make phone calls?

What did anonymous think would happen if they fucked with the PSN server?

Another reason why I don't ever support Anon. Anon is like an unguided SCUD missile. Sure it'll hit in the general vicinity of their target but they'll always damage the wrong people at the same time.
Hey Anon? Yeah, maybe it's time to not act like 3 year olds whenever something you don't like happens.

I dont think there's a way of attacking them that doesn't affect their customers since the company activities is to provide services and products to customers so they would need to do something that doesn't affect their activities and if that exists then i dont think they would care that much.

This is war, there has to be some (temporal) casualties.

Sony could take advantage of this in a rather extreme way: Shut down PSN, remove all accounts, destroy every gamer subscribed to it. Blame it on Anonymous. Say Anonymous hacked their system and, accidentally or otherwise, erased everything.

And when gamers start getting annoyed that something which shouldn't have any bearing on their lives has cost them time and money, get the whole thing back in gear from backups. Sony becomes the hero of the story, Anonymous loses whatever credibility it may have garnered among the gamer folk.

Honestly, who would suspect Sony of this? They'd risk losing everything, so why would they possibly do it. And that, fellow Escapists, is how Sony finally killed off Anonymous. Gg all.

The shortsightedness of Anonymous is rather hilarious. Maybe now I can actually log on to PSN.

endnuen:

Then read a book.
No it didn't affect me, since I was probably studying during the downtime. But seriously, not being able to accept an apology is just small. Seriously, are you going to die any time soon? I'm sure you will get plenty of play time before that happens.
Christ some people have small shoes..

Seeing as how I never found the attacks justified in the first place, it's just asinine. I wasn't planning on complaining about it, it wasn't a big deal until people decided "Hey, it was sooo nice of them to apologize." Not really when they shouldn't have been doing it in the first place.

It's like firing a gun into a crowd, trying to hit one guy, then apologizing later for giving everyone in the crowd a flesh wound. You shouldn't have been doing that in the first place.

Before you say that's an extreme example, it's a metaphor.

endnuen:

Frostbite3789:

endnuen:
I think it's nice that they acknowledge that they made an error in their offensive strategy and apologizes to the users affected.

No it's not? What they're doing is stupid anyways, it can only make things worse and is someone who as affected and couldn't get on yesterday before work, when I had time, I was kinda pissed. Some crap press release doesn't get me the free time I find after class and before work back.

That's easy to say since it didn't directly affect you.

Then read a book.
No it didn't affect me, since I was probably studying during the downtime. But seriously, not being able to accept an apology is just small. Seriously, are you going to die any time soon? I'm sure you will get plenty of play time before that happens.
Christ some people have small shoes..

Screw their apology. They have no business doing what they are doing in the first place and apologizing just shows how shortsited they are.

If people ignore anonymous they'll go away. Why does the Escapist keep giving them free publicity?

They are attention seeking basement dwellers. They are not news worthy.

Xhu:

ArmorArmadillo:
Can anyone name bigtime execs who have ever been brought down because of Anon? Or is it just "Woot, we randomly inconvenienced part of the company for a while we're the heroes" and internet pundits gleefully adore them.

Aaron Barr.

If that was a genuine question, you will look up him, his company, what they were doing and what played out when Anonymous got involved.

It was, I did, and I thank you for informing me on this issue.

Still, it seems like the group orchestrating this well put together attack on a truly corrupt target and the group taking disorganized jabs at Sony aren't even remotely connected.

Selvec:
Bets Sony keeps PSN down to make it look like Anno is going against their word?

...Right.

"Let's cut off a large chunk of our revenue in order to make a bunch of 15-year old hackers look bad." A devious plan indeed.

ArmorArmadillo:
It was, I did, and I thank you for informing me on this issue.

Still, it seems like the group orchestrating this well put together attack on a truly corrupt target and the group taking disorganized jabs at Sony aren't even remotely connected.

Agreed. I'm seeing nothing logical in this. Normally, Anonymous does this sort of thing in an attempt to raise awareness, but they seem to have skipped that portion here. Everybody thinks this is about George Hotz and the Linux-on-PS3 hacking. Though that is a large part, it turns out it is also in response to things such as Sony demanding Youtube [among others] give them the IP addresses of people viewing Geohot's social profiles, as well as his videos. Paypal already gave them access to his account, and a judge has granted Sony the ability to view the IP addresses of people who have visited geohot.com. Oh, and the unrelated Sony BMG rootkit debacle a few years ago.

But no. Since PS3 gamers are involved, it's all about George Hotz enabling freedom/cheating on PSN.

Heh. Well that confirms my doubts that they didn't really think their attacks through.

At least they apologized, for whatever little it's worth.

V8 Ninja:
You know what's ironic? I got a 404 error when I tried to view the news post outside of the forums.

OT: Well...that sucks for PSN users. Thankfully it seems that both companies/groups didn't plan this out. Hopefully PSN users aren't too screwed by this.

It was only bad between the 24-48 hours I was getting a Login error the day before for a few minutes but last night was unattainable altogether after 11pm EST.

Seems odd they would miss the part that attacking their servers would possibly interrupt the services including PSN online access/connections.

"Hey, guys. We're sorry that we're all idiots and don't know what we're doing. We just like to show you guys how awesome we are by fighting something we don't fully understand. Again, we're sorry."

Trust me, we're all sorry, too. Really, really sorry.

This is the part where another "press release" comes out about how that wasn't really Anonymous, but a group of people claiming to be them, and they've now been dealt with.

mad825:

We realize that targeting the PSN is not a good idea.

so they attacked it anyway? Oh dear, I'm starting to think that all these anonymous people are no more wiser than who they attack.

Anon is anyone from a genius 30 year old to an idiotic 12 year old. Random people, random antics, random chances of success

Are you serious that they didn't realize that shutting down PSN wouldn't affect consumers in anyway

They either are to stupid to know what the heck they're doing or did realize it and only started caring when they realized everyone finally came to their senses and started hating them

So in short they don't even have the balls to actually go through with their attack because they realized it makes people dislike them?

Bloody spineless vermin

bomblord:
Are you serious that they didn't realize that shutting down PSN wouldn't affect consumers in anyway

They either are to stupid to know what the heck they're doing or did realize it and only started caring when they realized everyone finally came to their senses and started hating them

My money is on it being the later.

Someone really fighting for what they feel is right and believe to be true and has real conviction in their ideals doesn't stop just cause a few stones get lobbed in their direction, and such persons don't hide; they put themselves right out in front, on the battle-lines, in harm's way, where everyone can see them. They risk all for what they believe in. Anon is nowhere close to such a noble stance, and that's why I have no respect for them. They're just whimsical.

Anonymous showing regret? DOES NOT COMPUTE!!! FATAL ERROR!!!

Interesting, We'll have to see if the news-story actually holds.

dunnace:
What is the difference between a police officer and a Vigilante?

The police officer is told who is innocent. The vigilante decides.

What's the difference between Anonymous and a vigilante?

Batman is considerably more awesome.

Batman is awesome...because he's Batman

circular reasoning be damned! (because he's Batman)

I wonder if they get that the only way they're noticably going to affect Sony is by targeting it's consumers, anything else i'd imagine Sony could probably shrug off.

Also considering most of Sony's top dogs are based in Japan i'd say attacking them at this time is in extreme bad taste.

Way I see it Anon is being stupid as hell, why shouldn't Sony be allowed to protect their own interests? Allowing people to hack their systems will only lose Sony money so why the hell shouldn't they be allowed to launch a lawsuit against the guy who did it? If you want freedom get a fucking PC, simple.

Again:

Jabberwock xeno:
"While Anonymous hasn't been specific about what it plans to attack, it said that its actions would be symbolic. The release said that Sony was treating its customers as if they were just renting their consoles, and so Anonymous would do the same with Sony's web domains. This action, the release read, was to show Sony exactly how wrong their actions against the hackers were."

Seems like they actually want to do this the right way...

Unless you are not getting the full story, anon is clearly in the right here.

Now if only we could spread that part of their quote that I responded to to "norma" news sites that are fear mongering.

So.. I can do things on PSN now? I hadn't noticed it went down at all...

bomblord:
Are you serious that they didn't realize that shutting down PSN wouldn't affect consumers in anyway

They either are to stupid to know what the heck they're doing or did realize it and only started caring when they realized everyone finally came to their senses and started hating them

Well said.

Sony has done several things I don't like recently but I don't see how a DoS attack is going to solve anything, even a "symbolic" DoS attack.

ArmorArmadillo:
Well DUH! What do they think is going to come from unstrategic carpet bomb hacking? This is what I hate about Anon. Sure, it's fun to post big flashy press releases about attacking evil corporate suits for "wholly unforgivable" attempts to enforce lease agreements but when it comes down to it they have no real plan or endgame. They just launch a few attacks at whatever and it'll only ever be the low level employees and end users that get hurt.

Can anyone name bigtime execs who have ever been brought down because of Anon? Or is it just "Woot, we randomly inconvenienced part of the company for a while we're the heroes" and internet pundits gleefully adore them.

But it doesn't matter. Anon is becoming something worthless and obnoxious. Nothing but a chance for internet types to act smug and pretend they have a superhero on their side.

No.
Fucking.
Kidding.
I can't wait until they get bored and move on to attack the world of warcraft site because Blizzard is suing someone who stole some of the servers thinking they're entitled to it because they pay 15$ a month to borrow server space.

Seriously Fuck Anon. Finish up with Jonathin (Assuange?), Gene Simmons, Minecraft, West Boro, and all the other shit you're hoping no one else will remember before you start with Sony.
Only then, will I take you guys seriously.

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Frank_Sinatra_:
Another reason why I don't ever support Anon. Anon is like an unguided SCUD missile. Sure it'll hit in the general vicinity of their target but they'll always damage the wrong people at the same time.
Hey Anon? Yeah, maybe it's time to not act like 3 year olds whenever something you don't like happens.

Do you mean to imply only children have beliefs, or that only children stand up for their beliefs?

Anon cost bystanders a couple hours stable online play, I can think of ideals that people stood for throughout history costing people significantly more than that.

No one lacks ideals, very few people won't fight 'anything' for those ideals.

There is valid arguments against Anon, I don't think this is one of them.

Imat:
Sony could take advantage of this in a rather extreme way: Shut down PSN, remove all accounts, destroy every gamer subscribed to it. Blame it on Anonymous. Say Anonymous hacked their system and, accidentally or otherwise, erased everything.

And when gamers start getting annoyed that something which shouldn't have any bearing on their lives has cost them time and money, get the whole thing back in gear from backups. Sony becomes the hero of the story, Anonymous loses whatever credibility it may have garnered among the gamer folk.

Honestly, who would suspect Sony of this? They'd risk losing everything, so why would they possibly do it. And that, fellow Escapists, is how Sony finally killed off Anonymous. Gg all.

Well, I doubt it would work in the long run. First, if they were believed it would prove to everyone that Sony has no clue in handling basic IT security (no backups, no protection - DDOS attacks isn't a new concept, and anything beyond that is probably beyond the capabilities of anon - and we're supposed to trust Sony with our credit card information if they fail basic security stuff that hard?) - which was already implied when it turned out the supposedly randomly generated number that was part of the encryption of their system, wasn't random at all, but the same exact number every time. Secondly, something of that magnitude can't be kept secret for long - it would inevitably get leaked by someone with a tiny bit of sense or an ex-employee, and by then I'm sure there could be a case for numerous lawsuits from their deceived customers and partners.

I thought they were in it for the lulz... this brand of anonymous wants to win some kind of popularity contest. Mustn't lose the support of the public now dears. I guess this loses them the rights to 'biggest hive of scum and villainy in all the galaxy'

Step up and receive your title youtube commenters.

Feylynn:

Frank_Sinatra_:
Another reason why I don't ever support Anon. Anon is like an unguided SCUD missile. Sure it'll hit in the general vicinity of their target but they'll always damage the wrong people at the same time.
Hey Anon? Yeah, maybe it's time to not act like 3 year olds whenever something you don't like happens.

Do you mean to imply only children have beliefs, or that only children stand up for their beliefs?

No he's implying that 3 year olds throw temper tantrums when they see something they don't like.

These people are so stupid. You know a great way to win a lawsuit? Threaten the judge's children and stuff! Yeah! Seriously, these attack sonly assure that the law will never stand up for GeoHot and his like. If you want to change the law, lobby Congress or make a good argument for a change in court. DO NOT alienate yourself from the whole legal system and generate such hate that no one will ever listen to what you have to say. The indiscriminate harm to consumers, children and innocents only shows up how misguided Anonymous really is.

I was denied the right to be insulted and teabagged by a 12-year-old I've never met for a day?
What am I going to do?! Oh, I know.

*Calls friends to drag their consoles and TVs over to my house*
*Preheats oven for stuffed crust pizza*
*Pops down to grocery store for Mountain Dew*
*Throws Beanbags all over the floor*
*puts on loud techno*

Local multiplayer, bitches.
YYEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

Inconvenience me now, hackers! I have defeated you with the power of junkfood and friendship!
P-P-P-POW!

-true story

arc1991:
Ok i'm lost...why are anonns attacking Sony?...

Their actions against Geohot supposedly but you can bet your ass that this was the straw that broke the camels back.

Gee, thanks for pulling out NOW Anon. I had a nasty little suspicion you were why I couldn't log in last night. Fie, cruel hackers, fie I say!

Canid117:

arc1991:
Ok i'm lost...why are anonns attacking Sony?...

Their actions against Geohot supposedly but you can bet your ass that this was the straw that broke the camels back.

Ahh xD

Poor Sony...

Why can't anonymous just die?

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