Batman: Arkham City Designers Toyed with Penning New Character

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Batman: Arkham City Designers Toyed with Penning New Character

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Rocksteady Studios considered writing a new character in the Batman universe for Arkham City.

With a wealth of interesting and evocative characters already inhabiting Gotham City through the comic books, it might seem a bit silly to throw in some new faces just for a videogame. On the other hand, Harley Quinn was originally introduced in Batman: The Animated Series in the early 90s before eventually being adopted into the greater DC universe by appearing in the comics. Rocksteady Studios accomplished what other game designers couldn't by delivering a game that felt distinctly Batman-ey in Arkham Asylum, so it might follow that enough trust was there for the writers to create a brand new character for the bigger and better sequel - Arkham City.

"My idea was just 'Let's make a new character!'" said Rocksteady's spokesman Dax Ginn. "I really wanted to. That's something I was talking about really early on in [the design process] but it never happened for whatever reason."

Ginn was in some ways spoiled by the amazing villains already available to dramatize. "Working so close to DC Comics means a lot of things - more than anything else it means you've got an amazing access into the archive and knowledge of these characters. So, what have we announced so far; Joker, Harley, Catwoman, Two-Face, Zsaz, Riddler, Hugo Strange, Calendar Man. I don't know how much more you'd want."

Even without a brand new character, everything that I hear about Arkham City gets better and better. For one thing, there will be no loading between outside areas. "It's all open, all the time. Our technical director was like, 'What? You want an open-world that's open all the time that's five times bigger than anything we've done before? Are you crazy?'" Good for us that the designers ignored the naysaying of their tech team. "[Arkham City] streams seamlessly throughout and that has been a massive, massive challenge."

Batman: Arkham City is due out on October 18, 2011 for the Xbox 360, PS3 and PC.

Source: CVG

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I think the games have reached enough fan popularity to introduce a new character to the Batman canon. As long as it's a good character, mind.

I thought that was the most ingenious part of the Quincy Sharp and Frank Boles characters introduced in Arkham Asylum.

I wanted more people like them.

Batman is a detective and most of his stories are mysteries. We need whodunnits and mystery villains.

That's something I feel was lacking in the Nolan movies, and I want Arkham City to have more mysteries to solve this time around.

LightspeedJack:
As long as it's a good character, mind.

I feel like that's the reason a new character wasn't put in. Fear of it not standing up to the existing Batman villains. I don't really mind one way or the other, as long as all the characters are good. As you said.

Considering how much more interesting Warden Sharp was than Killer Croc, creating their own characters might not have been a bad thing. But with Sharp having such a key role in this one, I guess they might not have wanted it to seem like their own creations were becoming more important than the iconic Batman characters.

Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

had a similar thought.

... but then they realised that such a thing would result in comic fans queuing up to take a shit in their letter box.

Soooo, they've already done it they are just wanting to see how it's going to be perceived.... well good luck to them, I just want a damn good game.

The Picture in the OP made me think it might be Bob the Goon from Batman 1989. THAT would be awesome.

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

Batman: How do you live with yourself?
Calendar Man: Day by Day

I'd really want Onomatopoeia in the game, if they could figure out how to make him work in that universe.

I wouldn't have minded a new character. The writers clearly know what their doing and it could have been an interesting addition.

Hopefully this won't comes with fucking GfWL - I'd rather play it on the PC.

As for the game, really looking forward to it. They've said its a lot darker than the last, but I really hope it honestly is - my biggest problem with the last is that Batman, as is often the case (with the exception of Nolan's films), really is the least interesting person around. I want him to be broken and crying like a little girl saying he can't go on. Make it so!

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

Batman?
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Seriously?

DO. FREAKING. WANT. Despite all the nay-saying about Calendar Man, who I had never ever heard of previously...

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

Wow. xD

Assuming he'll be in there for comic relief.

Introducing a new character via a vidya game, that's not really such a bad idea. In addition to DC's Harley, on the other side of the fence, Marvel has introduced at least three characters in animated programs that later went on to become proper characters in their comics' continuities.

Xzi:
Calendar Man? Seriously?

Noooooo. Not that CM. THIS one.

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Also, hey, if TAS managed to pull off Harley Quinn and if Paul Dini is once again, part of the project, I do not why this new character would not work.

I think the proper way to do such things is just to make the character and put it in there unnanounced, instead of making a big deal about creating a new character. I think part of why Harley succeeded was that she seemed to be added to the show more or less unannounced, and seemed to fit in. I mean The Joker has a gang, the gang dresses like clowns, and they put a girl into the gang. At it's heart that is what they did, and it took on a life of it's own from there so to speak.

Intentionally sitting down, developing, and promoting a new character through a side project like this might work, but most similar attempts tend to wind up being tacky.

I'm also not sure, but I think "Super Friends" introduced a few new characters. I could be wrong but I think during their whole politically correct phase they created all those minority heroes for the show and characters like "Black Lightning" went on to appear in DC comics. I remember while reading the TPB collections of "Obsidian Age" the afterwards mentioned that the shaman they brought forward in time was Apache Chief and I think it was also said that he was the only "Superfriends" character from that batch that had not made it into the mainstream comics continuity at some point.

I'm not a huge DC fan (more of a marvel fan) and it's not the most solid memory, but I thought of it when I read this. Next time I'm in the basement I'll have to dig through my old TPB collection and see if I can find it.

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

I'm going to guess we're talking about "The Long Hallowe'en" Calendar man not the "Joker's Boners" era Calendar man.

OT: Harley Quinn worked because she was like a component the Joker had always been missing. The light whimsy to his excesses. Could they make a character who could stand on their own?

So long as this game feels as pure fucking Batman as the first one I'm all in... now all I need is a new laptop or a PS3 and a TV... fuck.

Greg Tito:
<Our technical director was like, 'What? You want an open-world that's open all the time that's five times bigger than anything we've done before? Are you crazy?'" Good for us that the designers ignored the naysaying of their tech team. "[Arkham City] streams seamlessly throughout and that has been a massive, massive challenge."

...If that's how it really went down, I feel sorry for their tech team. I know it's things like this that push boundaries, but the way it's worded here makes it sound like the design team was completely inconsiderate. I consider myself a designer, but I have dabbled with enough programming to know how hard it is.

I hope the exchange was closer to this:
"What? You want an open-world that's open all the time that's five times bigger than anything we've done before? Are you crazy?"
"...Maybe. But can you do it?"
"Arrggh! Someone call up the boss and tell them we need a deadline extension and a vending machine that dispenses free energy drinks!"

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

Hella better then KGBEAST

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Dammit, another game Ill need to buy this year.

Am I the only one who saw this headline and started laughing?

"George RR Martin thought about writing different book; went 'eh, nvm'."

"Martin Scorsese contemplated a sex change, thought better of it."

"Christopher Nolan considered eating sandwich before heading out; figured w/e, they would have food there."

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

Isn't this guy going to be in "The Dark Knight Rises" too? That's what I heard.

Considering Paul Dini wrote for Batman: The Animated Series(among other Batman related projects), helped create Harley Quinn and helped write the story for Arkham Asylum and will be doing the same for Arkham City I don't see why they didn't go ahead and try to do a little bit of there own thing.

Maybe they will get their chance if there is another follow up to AC.

Woodsey:

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

Batman?
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Seriously?

Point taken, Woodsey.

LobsterFeng:

Isn't this guy going to be in "The Dark Knight Rises" too? That's what I heard.

I think that's The Holiday Killer.

LobsterFeng:

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

Isn't this guy going to be in "The Dark Knight Rises" too? That's what I heard.

Pretty much EVERY batman villain made before the 90's started out as really goofy and stupid. Two Face for example just really digged robbing TWO banks or gothams '2nd national bank' ect.
Calander Man is now typically portrayed as a Hannibal Lecter type serial killer obsessed with dates and patterns of.

That being said I think I'd rather they take one of the botarded characters that hasn't been touched in a few decades and update them.

I think a new character could work, with the material of the game they could flesh out a villain's origin story and have him/her rise to prominence throughout the course of the game, possibly for the third game if DC allowed it.

Smallville introduced Chloe Sullivan as a new character, and now she's part of the canon - so if a character is done well, and fleshed out enough so that the fans get a sense of understanding then it could have done very well.

ace_of_something:

LobsterFeng:

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

Isn't this guy going to be in "The Dark Knight Rises" too? That's what I heard.

Pretty much EVERY batman villain made before the 90's started out as really goofy and stupid. Two Face for example just really digged robbing TWO banks or gothams '2nd national bank' ect.
Calander Man is now typically portrayed as a Hannibal Lecter type serial killer obsessed with dates and patterns of.

That being said I think I'd rather they take one of the botarded characters that hasn't been touched in a few decades and update them.

Yeah I understand that The Joker started out as a playful trickster type of villain. Either way I'm excited to see how it turns out because I really liked his portrayal of Scarecrow (even though he didn't do much.)

Avatar Roku:

Woodsey:

The_root_of_all_evil:
Calendar Man?

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Seriously?

Batman?
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Seriously?

Point taken, Woodsey.

LobsterFeng:

Isn't this guy going to be in "The Dark Knight Rises" too? That's what I heard.

I think that's The Holiday Killer.

Oh, I thought they were the same guy.

Eh. I say go for it. As long as they are well written then who cares. Besides, using preset characters is always limiting.
Blood Ravens turned out okay and even got added to the lore as goddamn loyalist Thousand Sons...

Android2137:
"Arrggh! Someone call up the boss and tell them we need a deadline extension and a vending machine that dispenses free energy drinks!"

Screw that. Hook up a IV. Pump it straight into their veins! O_O

LobsterFeng:

Avatar Roku:

Woodsey:

Batman?
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Seriously?

Point taken, Woodsey.

LobsterFeng:

Isn't this guy going to be in "The Dark Knight Rises" too? That's what I heard.

I think that's The Holiday Killer.

Oh, I thought they were the same guy.

I don't know enough to say either way, honestly.

LightspeedJack:
I think the games have reached enough fan popularity to introduce a new character to the Batman canon. As long as it's a good character, mind.

That sums up the general view really. I think if they had wanted to do that they would have probably needed to have a set-up for a villain to emerge from a character in the first one, otherwise he/she would just come out of nowhere and might feel out of place in a sequel...

Zhukov:
... but then they realised that such a thing would result in comic fans queuing up to take a shit in their letter box.

Weird thing is Batman fans are the one group that they could probably get away with doing this. While most comics fans are rabid in their pickiness over the addition of new characters from "non canon" sources, Batman is the one franchise that has had great success in this. The Barbara Gordon Batgirl and Mr. Freeze both originated in the campy 60's tv series and were later ported over to the comic. Harley Quinn was created for the WB animated series and quickly became a fan favorite as well. These types of successes means that the fans are probably more likely to give a new character created for a very well made game a chance before going [email protected] insane.

If they do it as well as they've shown the potential to do so; ther own character would be an awesome idea. Also; the line-up looks damn awesome. Cannot wait to see where they go with it.

Five times bigger, not bad!

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