Transformers 2 Writers Explain Why it Sucked

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Transformers 2 Writers Explain Why it Sucked

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According to the people who wrote its script, bad timing proved to be the undoing of the second Transformers movie.

When Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen came out in 2009, it didn't exactly win over the critics. In fact, they blasted it with such choice phrases as, "a horrible experience of unbearable length," and "simply despicable." Even director Michael Bay said that it was "crap," and in a roundtable discussion with The Hollywood Reporter, writers Ehren Kruger and Roberts Orci explained exactly what went wrong.

According to the writing duo, it wasn't one thing that went wrong, but a series of problems and quirks that chained into each other. As they related back in 2009 at the BotCon convention, the script for the movie was written in a big hurry after the WGA writers' strike in 2007 - 2008. That wouldn't have been a problem for some movies, but for an effects-heavy movie like Revenge of the Fallen, work has to begin months before shooting starts in order to have everything ready.

That wouldn't have been a problem either as the movie could have been put on hold, but Bay didn't want to wait, and so took an expanded version of the treatment that had been created before the strike started, and used that as his guide. "The movie could have been pushed," said Orci. "But [Bay] uses all the same people over and over. He considers himself kind of a jobs program. And for him the idea of pushing the movie means all these people that rely on him go down and they're in between jobs, etc."

"[It] would have been considered a first draft outline," Kruger said. "And then suddenly you're locked into some of those things. And at that point it becomes very difficult - and very expensive - to try to rework macro ideas. Added to which, he was a bit cross about us going on strike in the first place!" Kruger continued, saying that the strike put both Bay and the movie in a rather untenable position. He said that the movie ended up being a collection of spectacles with the narrative connecting them as well as it could.

It's worth mentioning, however, that as much as critics might have hated the movie, it still made a boatload of cash. It made back its $200 million budget in just five days, and went on to make hundreds of millions of dollars more, both domestically and internationally. Hopefully, Transformers: Dark of the Moon, which hits theaters on July 1st, will be just as successful, without sucking quite so hard.

Source: via Blastr

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So what was the excuse for the first movie?

Was I the only person who thought Transformers 2 was really Awsome?
It had tons of action and explosions, and robot killing each other.
Not movie of the year but still really good.

What the excuse for doing this at all....was better animated then Shia Laboof and Megan Cantact

... Is this like Square Enix apologizing for FFXIV?

zombie711:
Was I the only person who thought Transformers 2 was Awsome?
Not movie of the year but still really good.

It was nice as a laugh festival. Let's just say that it was some sort of "so bad...it's good" kind of thing.

I thought of this movie like I do an action game. That means I don't care what the story is and I just want to get straight into the action.

That's the excuse? Bad timing?

Not bad acting or bad writing? Of course not they were perfectly fine

/sarc

zombie711:
Was I the only person who thought Transformers 2 was Awsome?
Not movie of the year but still really good.

Usually when people raise that sort of question, the immediate answer is "No, of course you aren't!", but in this case I can honestly say I have never seen anyone else ever describe Transformers 2 as "awesome", or "really good". I've seen people admit to enjoying it of course, but you usually get the sense that at least they know why they weren't supposed to.

On Topic: I can't say I really expect the 3rd film to be any better than the 2nd, not when they have already established that releasing a film its own director at one point described as "crap" will still make them crazy amounts of money - where is the incentive to improve in this scenario exactly?

The timing sucked.
It didn't help that the concept is retarded to begin with, the cast is terrible, it was a sequel to a crappy movie, and that Michael Bay should have been forced into early retirement after Bad Boys.

The Wykydtron:
That's the excuse? Bad timing?

Not bad acting or bad writing? Of course not they were perfectly fine

/sarc

The bad writing was caused by the writer strike during the peroid where it needed to be written.

It wasn't just the shitty script that made the movie bad thoug. What about Meagan Fox's terrible acting?

The Wykydtron:
That's the excuse? Bad timing?

Not bad acting or bad writing? Of course not they were perfectly fine

/sarc

Did you read the story at all?

They basically admit, that yes, bad writing was one of the reasons the movie sucked so bad, and they admit that they basically didn't have any writers when the movie was being done, so they had to make do with the pre-shooting first draft.

DevilWolf47:
Michael Bay should have been forced into early retirement after Bad Boys.

At gun point...

OT: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me...
All I can say is... *Puts on Glasses*

So no, I wont be spending another 30 dollars to have my childhood molested in front of me for a third time. I have the internet to do that for free.

This is the one with the horrible "college brownies" bit right?

been a long time since I've suffered through that movie

Gildan Bladeborn:

zombie711:
Was I the only person who thought Transformers 2 was Awsome?
Not movie of the year but still really good.

Usually when people raise that sort of question, the immediate answer is "No, of course you aren't!", but in this case I can honestly say I have never seen anyone else ever describe Transformers 2 as "awesome", or "really good". I've seen people admit to enjoying it of course, but you usually get the sense that at least they know why they weren't supposed to.

On Topic: I can't say I really expect the 3rd film to be any better than the 2nd, not when they have already established that releasing a film its own director at one point described as "crap" will still make them crazy amounts of money - where is the incentive to improve in this scenario exactly?

I understand why some people didnt like it. I walked into the theater thinking Hope this has tons of explosions and everything else I like about Micheal bay. I didnt walk out disapointed.

That face in the ark in the trailer better be Unicron.

I had a feeling that the writer strike how something to do with them rushing the script but did no one said to Bay that his sense of humours (e.g. the mother getting high and giving that Decipticon balls) is utterly stupid and so not funny?

Roberto Orci has my forgiveness. I know he is capable of better work since he writes for Fringe, which is awesome.

Besides, in a Michael Bay movie starring Shia Labeouf and Megan Fox, about robots that turn into cars... a bad script is just the tip of the iceberg.

Little know fact had they had not release Transformer 2 at that exact moment the whole world would have been eaten by a space goat, thank god they decided to past such thing as effort in order to deliver the story in time.

You know if they had to rush so fast how come its a 2h30 minute movie?

Bad timing excuse was used by Micheal Bay long ago if I recall

The Wykydtron:
That's the excuse? Bad timing?

Not bad acting or bad writing? Of course not they were perfectly fine

/sarc

Seriously. I mean, the treatment must have had the racist duo of VW Beetles: else where did they come up with that idea?

And racist stereotypes obviously were the fault of bad timing and not bad writing.

Give me a break.

I can understand this being a factor. If they'd had more time, then it could have sucked slightly less. In that way, this is true. However, it is not even almost the only reason the movie was awful, just one small reason of many.

P.S. Thanks

zombie711:
Was I the only person who thought Transformers 2 was really Awsome?
It had tons of action and explosions, and robot killing each other.
Not movie of the year but still really good.

No you're not. I had a blast watching it.

TundraWolf:
Seriously. I mean, the treatment must have had the racist duo of VW Beetles: else where did they come up with that idea?

And racist stereotypes obviously were the fault of bad timing and not bad writing.

Give me a break.

I can't remember the robots having a skin color.

Jman1236:
That face in the ark in the trailer better be Unicron.

It is Sentinel Prime.

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No Megan Fox draped all over a Camaro in a miniskirt = me no watch.

Meh, I don't care, I'm gonna go see the third movie anyway.

1) So I can but my brain on standby till pink liquid starts oozing from my ears, while being engulfed in overly bombastic 200 millions worth of special effects.

2) So I can have fun with my friends exchanging face-palm moments about how Bay fucked up this time.

It's an experience all on its own.

zombie711:
Was I the only person who thought Transformers 2 was really Awsome?
It had tons of action and explosions, and robot killing each other.
Not movie of the year but still really good.

khaimera:
I thought of this movie like I do an action game. That means I don't care what the story is and I just want to get straight into the action.

But the action sucked. It was poorly choreographed, inexpertly shot, ugly, difficult to follow, and pointless. There was no tension or sense of purpose or danger. I swear during the fight where Optimus "died" I just quit trying to figure out who the hell was doing what and spaced out.

And just when you started to care about what was going on in the action, they'd cut to captain douchebag running like a sissy, or slutdog McGee doing... something... with that damn thing in her purse. Or one of the comic relief characters doing something racially offensive. Or they'd make a dick joke that wouldn't make a 12 year-old chuckle.

I get so tired of people saying this movie was good "because of robots fighting and stuff".

I could make more interesting, more exciting action sequences with some fireworks and gasoline in my back yard.

No, I loved it because it was Transformers, The whole analyzing the quality of the flick didn't matter to me when I saw it... I was all 'HOLY F*#(, ACTION!'
GIANT ROBOTS FIGHTING, WHO GIVES A F^(% ABOUT THE STORY.

PhiMed:

zombie711:
Was I the only person who thought Transformers 2 was really Awsome?
It had tons of action and explosions, and robot killing each other.
Not movie of the year but still really good.

khaimera:
I thought of this movie like I do an action game. That means I don't care what the story is and I just want to get straight into the action.

But the action sucked. It was poorly choreographed, inexpertly shot, ugly, difficult to follow, and pointless. There was no tension or sense of purpose or danger. I swear during the fight where Optimus "died" I just quit trying to figure out who the hell was doing what and spaced out.

And just when you started to care about what was going on in the action, they'd cut to captain douchebag running like a sissy, or slutdog McGee doing... something... with that damn thing in her purse. Or one of the comic relief characters doing something racially offensive. Or they'd make a dick joke that wouldn't make a 12 year-old chuckle.

I get so tired of people saying this movie was good "because of robots fighting and stuff".

I could make more interesting, more exciting action sequences with some fireworks and gasoline in my back yard.

I get what you are saying. I was pretty high at the time and was just like "wow, these special effect are amazing, look at all the parts these robots have, how did they do that?" The movie, of what I remember, was pretty shitty all around.

Ok some events transpired to hinder the film schedule, I can get that. But not waiting, thinking it wouldn't bring in cash and by waiting it would make people mad? More like the opposite, it brought in the money and made me lose what little respect I had for him.

I go into a Transformers movie to see explosions and things breaking with crunching metal sounds. Not for a bearable script. So I found it bearable. Besides, it is a movie about giant robots that turn into cars... I never thought story was important :P

TundraWolf:
Seriously. I mean, the treatment must have had the racist duo of VW Beetles: else where did they come up with that idea?

And racist stereotypes obviously were the fault of bad timing and not bad writing.

Give me a break.

They weren't Beetles. One was a Chevy BEAT and the other was a Chevrolet concept car... I don't remember what model.

Arqus_Zed:
Meh, I don't care, I'm gonna go see the third movie anyway.

1) So I can but my brain on standby till pink liquid starts oozing from my ears, while being engulfed in overly bombastic 200 millions worth of special effects.

2) So I can have fun with my friends exchanging face-palm moments about how Bay fucked up this time.

It's an experience all on its own.

Mucho agreement here. Regarding the first one, I simply loved seeing the transformers for the first time in all their glory. The plot? Couldn`t care less. Shia`s hysterical overacting and Ms. Fox` hysterical trampoline tushy...just made me appreciate the movie on a whole different level. But let`s be fair. This franchise never was - and will never be - deep thoughtprovoking stuff. It`s a toycommercial just like it was in the 80`s, but with a sad excuse for a script slapped on top.

khaimera:

PhiMed:

zombie711:
Was I the only person who thought Transformers 2 was really Awsome?
It had tons of action and explosions, and robot killing each other.
Not movie of the year but still really good.

khaimera:
I thought of this movie like I do an action game. That means I don't care what the story is and I just want to get straight into the action.

But the action sucked. It was poorly choreographed, inexpertly shot, ugly, difficult to follow, and pointless. There was no tension or sense of purpose or danger. I swear during the fight where Optimus "died" I just quit trying to figure out who the hell was doing what and spaced out.

And just when you started to care about what was going on in the action, they'd cut to captain douchebag running like a sissy, or slutdog McGee doing... something... with that damn thing in her purse. Or one of the comic relief characters doing something racially offensive. Or they'd make a dick joke that wouldn't make a 12 year-old chuckle.

I get so tired of people saying this movie was good "because of robots fighting and stuff".

I could make more interesting, more exciting action sequences with some fireworks and gasoline in my back yard.

I get what you are saying. I was pretty high at the time and was just like "wow, these special effect are amazing, look at all the parts these robots have, how did they do that?" The movie, of what I remember, was pretty shitty all around.

Unfortunately, had to quit smoking quite a while ago for work. Maybe that would've made it enjoyable.

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