LimeWire Settles with Record Companies for Only $105 Million

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HankMan:
Well Limewire sure ended on a sour note.

umm you forgot

*puts on sunglasses*

WWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

Whoa, okay. $75 trillion is just waaay too much.
On a side note, ever since Limewire went down, I've been actually purchasing my music.

weirdguy:

icame:
This is sad. That guy that caused the loss of millions in revenue for the artists, will still be able to live a rich man after all this. I hate humanity.

Yeah, screw that limewire guy. He sure treated artists like garbage when he gave them all free worldwide exposure! I bet not a single person bothered to go out and buy any merchandise related to those musicians after they found out about music that they would have never otherwise bothered to listen to in the first place, or became lifelong fans. Gorton's going to continue living his life with all that undeserved money that he made from limewire, a for profit venture which has given him every cent he owns, not counting all the other money he makes from his free ventures such as the hedge fund. We know exactly how much money that is down to non-fabricated, itemized lists of every single way he's violated their rights conveniently expressed in monetary terms, and let's just say that he could probably buy a planet alone with the money he made from kicking puppies into furnaces, a well publicized feature of limewire.

He's not at all like those cool record label guys. After this lengthy, half decade long conflict that ultimately resulted in a lawsuit years after it mattered, they're going to spend every penny they got from limewire towards compensating all the damages incurred to those artists, of which they've never made ludicrous profits off of without at least giving the artists a fair share and full control of the rights to their music. Rights that limewire abused, and not anybody else at all.

Haha, I see what you did there. I'd like a thumbs up button for your post.

Could be worse, big record companies could enforce there IP protection like Dethklok's does.

Reed Spacer:
Big deal; nobody uses LimeWire anyway. They use FrostWire.

Everytime I use that thing it barely works.

Yeah, I don't worry about the RIAA since I don't listen to the mainstream. I always buy my music, provided it can be found. If it's not on itunes or amazon and I can't find a physical disc, I have been known to torrent, but usually it's only old stuff that went out of production years ago.

I used to use Limewire, then i got virus, i used Torrents, My PC got virus and died, Now i just buy music, Makes you love the artist and appreciate the music a lot more.

I didnt even think this was still going on.

eh, Limewire hasnt been relevant to me in a while. i dabbled in Frost wire (at least the format) thugh I never used it. the one day I was going to, I eneded up getting an email for an offer ont he CD I wanted anyway.

besides, I'd be a bit more worried by people just buying Cds and spreading it around between friends.

Reed Spacer:
Big deal; nobody uses LimeWire anyway. They use FrostWire.

Well yeah cause it was made in response to LimeWire getting shut down. -_-

Irridium:
Record companies demanded $75 trillion in damages?

Are they fucking high?

I know, right? I don't think anyone in the world has even one percent of that kind of money.

75 Trillion dollars, is that all. Hell they should have asked for a unicorn and the moon while they were at it.

I could never get Limewire to work worth a damn. People actually got music off of that thing? Every single time I attempted ANY search, be it for an obscure porn video, obscure Richard Hell bootleg, or a random Kinks song to fill out my collection, I almost always got back 100s of results that were labelled exactly what I was looking for, but what always ended up being Spyware latched onto crappy quality viral videos that had nothing to do with anything. They didn't make Spyware for mac (back then), so it wasn't a huge problem, but still. It was useless.

I feel the same way about torrents. Unless it's a mainstream film already out on DVD, the chances of finding a quality torrent for something that's actually difficult for me to otherwise see (not on TV, not on Netflix, not for rent) are pretty slim. Thanks, but I'm busy not watching Transformers 2 on Cinemax.

Hello greedy music companies.

The whole "Your hurting the artists, and the music maaaaaannnn" argument just doesn't stand anymore when you consider that recording companies take over 80% of the profits.

yes!!!! kill them pirates they are stealing from us everyday! Do you see? 75trillion dollars and you people say that piracy dose nothing, PUFF if there was no piracy they would be the richest company on earth, So tell me how is piracy not doing damage?

We need to go back to the early days when there were thousands of small indipendant recording companies and alot of bands just made there own. When a company gets to big they get evil, FACT!

Scare tactics...they're working.

Seriously though, who even used lime wire?!?! It was the biggest fucking sinkhole of Malicious software on the face of the planet.

LOL, i'm sorry but this whole arrangement is no different than the Geohot debacle. Music makers getting money from source that is merely a fraction of the stuff found on the net. Good old laws of the US of A, fighting for the rights of anyone that has money to throw around.

icame:
2. Lifelong fans sure...that steal the bands music still...

You've got the order of events wrong. It goes like this:

Step 1 - Hear a song you haven't heard before.
Step 2 - Download an album
Step 3 - Attend a concert, buy a CD and a T-Shirt
Step 4 - Lifelong fan.

Even if you discount the part where fans buy songs that they originally downloaded, CD sales are not the major way that most bands make money, concert appearances are.

3. Screw off with your anti-Suit bullshit. Very few artists can survive without a record company backing them.

Lots and lots of bands survive without a major label. They only make up about 20% of the music industry, but you can bet they make up way the hell more than 20% of the world's bands.

Who the hell was still using Limewire? These days everyone just pulls audio off of You tube, which is perfectly legal, or at very least not illegal. Or they just use torrents which are really difficult to track and are becoming less and less useful thanks to the whole extracting video and audio from streaming sites method. This lawsuit was four years too late.

Formica Archonis:

freaper:
Can someone explain me how companies can calculate the money they didn't receive?

Step 1: Smoke a lot of opium.
Step 2: Pick a really big number.
Step 3: Pile bullshit on that number until you think you can get away with it.
Step 4: Get Botox injections if you can't say the number with a straight face. Write off as a business expense.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I was wondering that myself. Hell they don't even make anywhere close to 75 trillion, so how could they justify that? (Obviously it is the opium)

no skin off his nose? the figures in his IRA thing and home total 1 million $ less then the 105 million in charges he has to pay. just how much money does limewire make, and how? (never used limewire)

What about Frostwire? You know, the one that went live the day Limewire went down.

RadiusXd:
no skin off his nose? the figures in his IRA thing and home total 1 million $ less then the 105 million in charges he has to pay. just how much money does limewire make, and how? (never used limewire)

The man is a hedge fund manager and runs a software company. These numbers were likely there to indicate just how wealthy he is. That is to say, very wealthy indeed.

I get that record companies would prefer to stay in business, but how exactly do you expect to charge for an abundant resource?
It's like a water company charging for rain since it came out of their resevoirs.

Edit: didn't answer your question. limewire made money from advertising. same thing as napster.

Sexual Harassment Panda:

Greg Tito:

Then again, I'm happy to buy my $5 mp3 albums off of Amazon so perhaps the record companies and consumers have reached a happy equilibrium.

$5!?

Currency convertor claims I'm paying $11 for mp3 albums from amazon.co.uk...

OT: Surely there is a PR element to consider here...

There'll be one's on sale for 5 dollars every once in awhile.

Lime Wire is a really shitty, awful program, I don't think people actually used it anymore. So I don't think the RIAA really achieved anything today.

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Well done Record companies, you beat the menace from 2003. **Clap**...**Clap**... (good, my slow clap processor made it here too)

Peer to peer networks such as Gnutella or eDonkey went out of fashion YEARS ago due to their lack of speed, reliance on sever networks and rapant scurity holes both in the network its self and for the end user. Programs like Kazzar, Morpheous and limewire have been notorious for spyware for as long as they have existed.

This is a lawsuit that is about a decade behind the times, dating from a time when everything was not hosted by users and there was some semblence of a network to sue. In case you haven't noticed Muisc Industy, only dangerously retarded individuals still use this kind fo Peer-to-Peer network. Its like finally claiming the US navy beat the menece of Scurvy, kind went away on its ow when you were not looking.

Everything is torrent based now, good look suing a butt load of forigen based search engines.

Snotnarok:
I love the way these people overexaggerate their losses so badly.

However what I don't love is Lime Wire, 90% of the computers I fix, have that god awful program and they're stuck with viruses galore.

My thought when LimeWire was taken down was "Finally, the word's biggest virus distributor is offline" It's really a terrible program that should have been taken down for many reasons besides sharing of copyright material ages ago. I am impressed that it's been able to stay alive this long though.

When someone buys a knife and stabs a man, do we punish the person who sold the knife?

When someone buys a computer and hacks a website, do we punish the person who sold the computer?

Yet when someone pirates some music, it's perfectly acceptable to punish the one who provided the software?

It doesn't make any sense whatsoever, just because something CAN be used for illegal purposes doesn't mean that giving it to someone else is a crime. If that was the case nothing in the world would ever be created because everyone would be too afraid that the washing machine they just sold was going to be dropped on a guys head, or that the DS they just sold was going to be turned into a gun.

This doesn't make ANY sense! You can't sue people for allowing other people to do illegal things!

ProtoChimp:
What about Frostwire? You know, the one that went live the day Limewire went down.

Uhm, you might want to check your facts there. FrostWire started in 2004. The popularity increased when LimeWire went down because it looks the same and the name is basically the same.

lunncal:
When someone buys a knife and stabs a man, do we punish the person who sold the knife?

When someone buys a computer and hacks a website, do we punish the person who sold the computer?

Yet when someone pirates some music, it's perfectly acceptable to punish the one who provided the software?

It doesn't make any sense whatsoever, just because something CAN be used for illegal purposes doesn't mean that giving it to someone else is a crime. If that was the case nothing in the world would ever be created because everyone would be too afraid that the washing machine they just sold was going to be dropped on a guys head, or that the DS they just sold was going to be turned into a gun.

This doesn't make ANY sense! You can't sue people for allowing other people to do illegal things!

I think that is because LimeWire never had any other goal but to be a peer to peer downlaod service for illegal files. There have been requests to take it down, but they never went through with it.

Kakashi on crack:
This kinda pisses me off... How is limewire any different than getting on youtube, looking up a song, and downloading said song for free via online downloading programs? The fact that you didn't have to use a downloading program?

*sigh* Record companies can just go in a pit and... Nevermind, I'll try to remain civil...

If you check Youtube you'll often see that videos or audio is removed due to copyright infringement, some videos can't be shown worldwide, it does not provide you with downloads in case you want to listen to it on a media such as a mp3 player and it's run by a big evil corporation that is big enough to waste RIAA's resources if they were to sue. Streaming is not illegal for some reason beyond me. Downloading copyrighted material from a streaming site is in the gray. Don't ask why, the law is complicated and often stupid.

Yopaz:
I think that is because LimeWire never had any other goal but to be a peer to peer downlaod service for illegal files. There have been requests to take it down, but they never went through with it.

LimeWire is a peer to peer download service that allows you to download and share files with other people. It's not like you can ONLY share files illegally, any files can be shared. Saying this should be took down is like saying CD writers should be shut down because they also allow you to share files, including ones which are illegal to share.

Another victory for justice. I'm glad to see that this company won't be contributing to the spread of pirated music any more.

lunncal:

Yopaz:
I think that is because LimeWire never had any other goal but to be a peer to peer downlaod service for illegal files. There have been requests to take it down, but they never went through with it.

LimeWire is a peer to peer download service that allows you to download and share files with other people. It's not like you can ONLY share files illegally, any files can be shared. Saying this should be took down is like saying CD writers should be shut down because they also allow you to share files, including ones which are illegal to share.

Which does not change the fact that the person responsible for the software should take responsibility for its use. If you sell someone an object that can be sued as a weapon you can't be blamed for it because you can't control the use. If you are running a restaurant selling food that might not be good you can be punished for that.
The practice of selling things, and selling a service are 2 different parts of the world. If you're selling an object you have no responsibility for usage of it, that's why you need a license to buy certain things. Are you selling a service you have responsibility for it as long as the service is being used. Thus he should be responsible for all the files on LimeWire, and he should have removed files that violate copyright laws.
Edit: and don't forget the warnings.

Yopaz:
Which does not change the fact that the person responsible for the software should take responsibility for its use. If you sell someone an object that can be sued as a weapon you can't be blamed for it because you can't control the use. If you are running a restaurant selling food that might not be good you can be punished for that.
The practice of selling things, and selling a service are 2 different parts of the world. If you're selling an object you have no responsibility for usage of it, that's why you need a license to buy certain things. Are you selling a service you have responsibility for it as long as the service is being used. Thus he should be responsible for all the files on LimeWire, and he should have removed files that violate copyright laws.
Edit: and don't forget the warnings.

You don't seem to understand what LimeWire does. The illegal files are not held by LimeWire, LimeWire merely enables 2 (or more) people to share files between themselves, whether those files are illegal or not is impossible to tell, and it is even more impossible to prevent only illegal files from being shared this way. He can't remove files that violate copyright laws because he doesn't actually have any.

A web browser allows you to connect to IPs and download files. The maker of the browser does not know what these files will be, and many illegal files can be downloaded through the use of a browser. By your argument, this would mean that every single web browser should be shut down too, because they are "allowing" people to view illegal websites by providing this service. Luckily, browsers aren't outlawed because the browser doesn't control which websites can be viewed, just as LimeWire doesn't control which files people choose to share among themselves.

This quote is the most telling: "If you sell someone an object that can be sued as a weapon you can't be blamed for it because you can't control the use.".

The maker of LimeWire cannot control the use, it is merely providing a program that allows people to share files among themselves. It seems you pretty much agree with me, except that you think LimeWire does something which it does not.

Reed Spacer:
Big deal; nobody uses LimeWire anyway. They use FrostWire.

or Ares.

105$ million towards record companies? Why not put the music somewhere useful, like education, or research, instead of into funding more and more careers of overpaid pop stars?

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