Anonymous PSN Attackers Arrested in Spain

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thethingthatlurks:
For bringing PSN down for no reason, these idiots deserve to rot in jail. For bringing down the government websites of Libya, Tunisia, Iran, and Egypt during the Arab uprising, these guys deserve a fucking medal. What? Nothing is ever strictly black and white...

Yeah this is kinda how to look at it.

Also, where do the police get these ideas? There was doubtfully any one person in charge in the first place, and even then, this will likely just cause other members to go under cover.

Yvl9921:
Hahahaha, this is hilarious. Oh European governments, you try so hard to be important.

Best do nothing, eh?

OT:
A nice start for sure, but let's not stop before we've rounded them all up.

It is possible, we have the technology!

3 years? Really, that's it? They'll get out and do it all over again.

Wait. I thought Anonymous has maintained that they had nothing to do with the PSN hack that brought down the network for so long. Now, we're hearing that three people that were a part of Anon and were involved in the attack have been arrested. And rather than denying or trying to clarify the situation Anon responds with a blanket "We are Legion" response? Say what?

Now, I understand that these people were involved in other activities that are probably why they were being sought in the first place, and that Anon is rather proud of many of their actions such as bringing down the sites of some governments like Iran. But considering the amount of love that gamers in general give Anon, I would think that they would at least deny that they were involved in the PSN hack. It's also worth noting that Anon seems to defend these men.

So, what's going on here? Do the authorities have this much wrong? Is Anon admitting that they were involved in the hack? Do they not feel like its important enough to address? Were these people involved in the hack using Anon resources, but not in the official capacity of Anon?

I want answers! And I want them 5 minutes ago!

i'm with extra credits on this one anon can do a lot of good but the psn attack w/ the theft of credit cards doesn't exactly align with their core principles like the things with the countries inhibiting freedom of their citizens. the psn attack was by that group of 3 hackers not anonymous

I bet anonymous gave them their addresses.

The Cheshire:
Excuuuuuse me princesses, but these people have little to do with the PSN hack, which by the way hasn't been proved to find it's guilty part in Anonymous.

These people were attacking websites of the Spanish goverment after several quite unjustified actions done by said goverment, who are a bunch of corrupt assholes that kneel before banks and markets and sell our rights to the market economy. That said, these people also attacked several websites of the goverments involved in the repression of the Arab Spring revolts. So yes, they have my support, I hope they get released.

The situation in Spain is pretty bad at the moment, corruption is at it's tops and nothing is being done to solve it, Anonymous is one of the groups who is trying to give these assholes on the top a lesson. Why anyone should be happy about this arrest is a mistery to me.

Don't forget that Spain is right now the poorest country in Europe (somewhere between 13 and 22 trillion dollars in debt), and if their economy collapses it will take Europe into an economic spiral downwards into the stone age unless they GET RID of the Euro and replace it with country-based currency. It's causing more harm economically in regards to inflation and depression than its helping with its simplicity.

right, rant is over, just wanted to put that out there.

GHudston:
Can someone explain to me how one can arrest the leaders of a leaderless group?

I don't know.

But maybe, just maybe, and this is a stretch, I know, Anon isn't quite as leaderless as they want people to think. It's kind of hard to organize anything if everyone is just doing whatever the hell they want. In all likely hood, these men were the leaders of certain operations, not the group as a whole. If you've ever been involved in any group work, you probably have an idea of what I am talking about.

How can people people still deny it is Anonymous when the Spanish authorities have said a computer by one of the suspects held evidence of attacks on the PSN store along with other attacks on Anonymous targets.

However there was no evidence of PSN hacking.

Mumorpuger:
I really hate Anonymous. Their "boilerplate response" only adds to my annoyance.

Just let your freedom be stolen by everyone.(sarcasm) Anonymous defends our freedom, they are working for ideals.

Awexsome:
Huzzah! A good day for the world to see these criminals apprehended!

I cant see how you see this as a good day. millions of dollars(tax payer dollars) are being spent every day and the best they can come up with is 3? Not to mention that they probably are not even leaders considering that Anon has no real leaders just justifies that they are trying to make themselves look good to the public. All they really did was take 3 legs off of a centipede and if my biology serves right a centipede can still move with 3 legs missing.

Fasckira:
Three hackers in Spain does not equal the Anon collective there?

Considering Anon is "supposed" to be leaderless too, arresting 3 guys wont really have that much of an effect, aside from perhaps scaring those who know the three a little.

It depends. Arresting three /b/tards using scripts someone else wrote to attack a website will do nothing. Arresting three hackers who know what they're doing well enough to break into PSN and steal credit card numbers will do a lot of damage. If there are thousands of people working with Anonymous, you can bet only a handful will actually have any real impact. The rest are there just to serve as cannon fodder should shit hit the fan.

Saltyk:

GHudston:
Can someone explain to me how one can arrest the leaders of a leaderless group?

I don't know.

But maybe, just maybe, and this is a stretch, I know, Anon isn't quite as leaderless as they want people to think. It's kind of hard to organize anything if everyone is just doing whatever the hell they want. In all likely hood, these men were the leaders of certain operations, not the group as a whole. If you've ever been involved in any group work, you probably have an idea of what I am talking about.

There's no such thing as a leaderless group, we as humans always follow the alpha no matter how hard we try to avoid it. If anon is a group, then they'll have a leader, they'd probably not even realize it or like to admit it, but they will be. Not to sound cliche but its human nature as a social, tribal species.

Wulfheri:
Excuse me, I think that the PSN attacks were with a REASON. To show people how important privacy is. Never give personal data away, that's their message.

The choice of what people do with their personal data should be left with them and not at the whims of an internet group. Doing that pretty much puts them in the whole "Do what we say or else" area.

Wulfheri:

Mumorpuger:
I really hate Anonymous. Their "boilerplate response" only adds to my annoyance.

Just let your freedom be stolen by everyone.(sarcasm) Anonymous defends our freedom, they are working for ideals.

Yep, telling us what we can and can't do with our personal information is really defending our freedoms to do what we like...

As for the news itself... Not real sure what to think. If they were the ones that were attacking PSN then I'm glad they've been caught, they are criminals. However I don't know I'm sort of doubtful.

Anon DDOSed PSN they didnt hack it. reporter fail. If these guys were involved in the PSN hack then they did it outside of Anon on there own.

Avaholic03:

Random Argument Man:
I'll expect a reaction from Anonymous as some point.

Why? It was my understanding that Anonymous threw these guys under the bus already.

I must've skipped that line. It would teach me to do 6 things at a time. I've edited it out anow I'm wondering if we'll see a domino effect from this.

Three years? What the hell! They caused millions, if not billions, of dollars worth of damage, identity theft (to a degree at least) and large scale hacking and all they get is Three years?! Epic, EPIC, law fail.

I,m actually pro anonymous also haven,t we established THEY DIDN'T DO IT? seriously who the fuck is such a genius to leave their business card at the scene of a a crime?

Kopikatsu:
Only three years in jail? Should be longer.

Anywho, I wonder how they caught them. Wouldn't it be super fun if they had a way of tracking people down through Proxy servers?

Im sure there will be some kind of parole condition like if they ever touch a computer again not only will they never see the light again but they will also be getting nightly visits from big bubba. I can dream cant I?

Sovvolf:

Saltyk:

GHudston:
Can someone explain to me how one can arrest the leaders of a leaderless group?

I don't know.

But maybe, just maybe, and this is a stretch, I know, Anon isn't quite as leaderless as they want people to think. It's kind of hard to organize anything if everyone is just doing whatever the hell they want. In all likely hood, these men were the leaders of certain operations, not the group as a whole. If you've ever been involved in any group work, you probably have an idea of what I am talking about.

There's no such thing as a leaderless group, we as humans always follow the alpha no matter how hard we try to avoid it. If anon is a group, then they'll have a leader, they'd probably not even realize it or like to admit it, but they will be. Not to sound cliche but its human nature as a social, tribal species.

Yeah, that was kind of my point. If Anon truly had no organization or leadership, they would never accomplish anything as a group. The existence of AnonOps kind of underscores that.

I don't know how they might be organized, but I imagine it's likely a system where someone comes up with an idea and asks for help. Others then agree to help, but the original person with the concept, or someone else who volunteers, likely coordinates the whole operation. This might not be a classic leadership, but it's most certainly not leaderless.

The thing I take from this article:

The police have Twitter..?!

similar.squirrel:

Raiyan 1.0:
Waiting for Escapists to demand they be punished by prison rape, performed by state-sponsored rapists.

Because a crime is a crime, and criminals are criminals. And because I couldn't frag for two whole weeks.

I'm sort of neutral on this issue. They were stupid enough to get caught, so they deserved to.

That argument never made any sense to me. Justice has nothing to do with a person's intelligence.

Hopefully they get the death penalty... or no internet for 10 years which would pretty much be the exact same thing to them.

Would be ironic (if not unexpected) that now that Anon has a few visible faces, Sony would sue them for so much that their great great grandchildren would still live out their lives plagued in debt.

GHudston:
Can someone explain to me how one can arrest the leaders of a leaderless group?

Exactly, I have the funny feeling that the Spanish government really doesn't understand this thing at all.

BTW, I may be wrong on this, but wasn't it lulzsec, a specific branch of Anonymous that targeted the PSN?

How much money did Sony lose? How much fun have we missed?

3 years doesn't seem like enough. I reckon it'll change them substantially though.

Shouldn't the police be battering people on the streets of Barcelona in broad daylight? Or was that last week?

Oh who cares. Anyone who takes videogames away from fanboys is bad, right? And if the police who crack the skulls of protestors blame someone who are we to say otherwise?

KILL THEM. KILL THEM ALL. THEY TOOK OUR GAMES AWAY. FIND WHERE THEY LIVE AND SHOOT THEIR PETS TOO. BECAUSE I HATE ANONYMOUS.

(You know if you piss Anonymous off, they may try taking out Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo's networks simultaneously. And I wouldn't dare bet that they couldn't do it either)

Dear god, look what they're capable of.

So Anonymous has actually been directly accused now? not to try and defend them but don't they stand for 'free speech', why the hell would they attack banks.

Raiyan 1.0:
Waiting for Escapists to demand they be punished by prison rape, performed by state-sponsored rapists.

See, the freelance ones can be cheaper, but then you have to deal with the rapists' unions, and that's just a mess.

Seriously though, this is good news. (Both that these guys were arrested and that the Escapist isn't screaming out for blood.)

They attacked a bank?
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I'm also wondering why they are getting such a short sentence... I don't want them to rot, but those offenses sound pretty serious.

Lesson: If you want to undermine a populist group, just blame them for hacking a game console system - heck, hack it yourself and blame them for it.

Someone suspicious might remark on the similarities between recent events and efforts in the nineteenth century to associate union leaders with terrorist activities - and with communism more recently than that.

Wulfheri:
Excuse me, I think that the PSN attacks were with a REASON. To show people how important privacy is. Never give personal data away, that's their message.

Our modern world couldn't operate without giving some information away. I want to buy goods online? I have to give my address and credit card details. How else could it work?
It's just keeping the trust between the two parties. It's a shame Anonymous goes to these lengths to try and break that trust.

I dunno sounds like the police involed are adding 1 + 1 together and coming up with what they think is 2 but could be anything. Something like we found these files on this guys computer and these other guys have been hacking our government sites Annon is the biggest hacker group that we know of therefore they are Annon and Annon is responsible for the PSN stuff. Through in on top of that it wasn't all that long ago that Spain was a facsist dictatorship so colour me sceptic.

Interesting. So far, we have Spain saying that they are ANON, and Spain saying they are guilty.

I don't want to doubt their credulity. However, it is, at this time, an assumption that ANON was the PSN attacker. In the case that these crackers are the PSN attackers, it is another argument entirely to substantiate that they are also ANON. Really it should be irrelevant, unless the authorities want to charge them with organized cyber-terrorism or something of the like.

So the police have nabbed some of Anonymous, now Anonymous is going to do whatever it is they do to whoever they think they should in retaliation, which will prompt more arrests and so forth....

Someone needs to be the bigger person here and say "we fucked up" and it SHOULDN'T BE THE POLICE.

Nice to see them getting punished for what they did, tbh 3 years is enough for me as i don't really use PSN :)

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