The Other PS3 Hacker Is (Probably) Headed to Jail

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The Other PS3 Hacker Is (Probably) Headed to Jail

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German PS3 hacker Alexander "Graf Chokolo" Egorenkov may be on his way to the ol' hoosegow after being unable to pay his legal fees.

Though Sony's most high-profile PS3 hacking case was the legal battle against George "GeoHot" Hotz, he wasn't the hardware giant's only target. Sony also targeted hacking group fail0verflow, in particular setting its sights on German hacker Alexander "graf_chokolo."

Egorenkov, like Hotz, was accused of disseminating the keys to the PS3's hardware which enabled users to "jailbreak" their consoles. While proponents of jailbreaking argued that it would allow them to run homebrew software and restore the "OtherOS" functionality on their legally purchased device, Sony and other opponents maintained that the true purpose was illegal software piracy.

Last week, Egorenkov wrote on his blog that he was probably headed for jail time after being unable to pay his legal fees. Still, he remained defiant: "But I'm ready to stand up for everything I said and go to jail for that too. It's not important to win, more important is to show them that we are ready to fight, that they cannot scare me off easily. Yeah, I'm ready to go to jail for my believes [sic] and my principles."

Between that most-recent note and an equally defiant rant from several months ago in which Egorenkov said that Sony would have to "just kill [him]" to get him to stop his actions, it seems unlikely that he would be willing to settle a case on Sony's terms as did GeoHot.

Speaking of GeoHot, what happened to all that money he donated to the Electronic Frontier Foundation? It strikes me that there's another hacker out there who could use all of it now that he's not using it.

(Via DailyTech)

Thanks to Scanniza for the tip!

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Good to hear? I guess? I can't wait till they arrest lulzsec or whatever they are called

pointless but still better than nothing...

That's some bullshit. I hope he can raise enough money. He doesn't deserve to go to jail for modifying a device he bought.

Quiet Stranger:
Good to hear? I guess? I can't wait till they arrest lulzsec or whatever they are called

No it's not. The guy didn't hack the network, he hacked his system to restore OtherOS. That's what fail0verflow is known for.

SONY may need to fight this SoB to the death and then beat back his reanimated corpse. I got a feeling he won't cave and this fight might hurt SONY.

I guess if Sony wanted to test their security systems, this is one way to do it. Seems a bit too soon after the last fiasco. *Gets on PSN while he still can*

I don't think he is facing criminal charges for it? Is he? I mean, I thought all that stuff was civil, meaning his credit and paychecks will forever be docked an amount of money a judge decides is fair. But if you are suing someone for money, if they can't pay, they don't go to jail.

Low Key:
That's some bullshit. I hope he can raise enough money. He doesn't deserve to go to jail for modifying a device he bought.

Quiet Stranger:
Good to hear? I guess? I can't wait till they arrest lulzsec or whatever they are called

No it's not. The guy didn't hack the network, he hacked his system to restore OtherOS. That's what fail0verflow is known for.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not for hackers and stealing, but I am for people being able to utilize a device they own as they see fit. I think it's funny how the slobbering uneducated masses always cry for blood in these situations, when if they got what they wanted, the masses position is no better than if it never happened.

Is it just me or do some corporate entities never seem to learn their place?

Wonderful how Sony doesn't even need to win the court case, they just need to throw so much money at it that a man can't afford to defend himself.

Love how money can buy the law.

This man fixed a broken product, the PS3, which Sony deliberately broke.

It's like if your car manufacturer turned off the stereo in your car because they were worried some people might use it to play pirated music and then sent you to prison for fixing it!

I think I've seen some of his videos related to hacking game consoles...

And if he is who I think he is, you know what? I do actually believe his motivations. (Even if he does acknowledge that enabling piracy is a known inevitable side effect of being able to break the security system.)

But, that aside, I'm not going to say he shouldn't be punished, but I do find it disturbing what this says about the legal system.

"I'm going to jail because I can't pay my legal fees." should never be a factor.

It shows up aspects of the legal system that make the whole thing seem incredibly biased.

It's akin to saying there's one law for the rich, and another for the poor...

And that's pretty disturbing, irrespective of what the person in any given case is being accused of.

Pr0:
Is it just me or do some corporate entities never seem to learn their place?

No its just you. Now hackers those are the people who just never seem to learn their place.

All I'm saying is, I don't believe Mercedes-Benz would be taking me to court for modifying the stock Bose stereo system after market. Or re-certifying the engine to European specs after shipment either.

Am I right? I think so.

Then why do you feel the need to hack the damn thing when you know you're just going to get in trouble for it?

Actual:

This man fixed a broken product, the PS3, which Sony deliberately broke.

Because a feature that appealed to a small audience was removed, means that the entire thing is now broken?

He would love a PS3 jailbreak, huh?

Thank god!
I was worried that we had lost all hope after geohotz settled. EVERYONE DONATE TO THIS GUY.

Actual:
Wonderful how Sony doesn't even need to win the court case, they just need to throw so much money at it that a man can't afford to defend himself.

Love how money can buy the law.

This man fixed a broken product, the PS3, which Sony deliberately broke.

It's like if your car manufacturer turned off the stereo in your car because they were worried some people might use it to play pirated music and then sent you to prison for fixing it!

Thats a stupid example. Stereo's can be easily bought at a radioshack or best buy, and replace the old one LEGALLY. Why does everyone resort to using cars as an example for software piracy.

well, I better download as much off PSN store as I can, and get as much Black Ops playtime as I can as well.

Sony I thought you learned your lesson with the internet, don't try and take down guys who have a lot of backing on 4chan.

"Hacker" isn't the right word to use in this situation. To be honest, I'm not sure what word works best, but it sure as hell ain't "hacker".

EDIT: I have been corrected.

Good that the hacker is going away, bad that this will probably mean more hacking of Sony.

Echo136:

Actual:
Wonderful how Sony doesn't even need to win the court case, they just need to throw so much money at it that a man can't afford to defend himself.

Love how money can buy the law.

This man fixed a broken product, the PS3, which Sony deliberately broke.

It's like if your car manufacturer turned off the stereo in your car because they were worried some people might use it to play pirated music and then sent you to prison for fixing it!

Thats a stupid example. Stereo's can be easily bought at a radioshack or best buy, and replace the old one LEGALLY. Why does everyone resort to using cars as an example for software piracy.

Because YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR!
Captcha: top drawer

Ephraim J. Witchwood:
"Hacker" isn't the right word to use in this situation. To be honest, I'm not sure what word works best, but it sure as hell ain't "hacker".

Actually it is the right word. The problem is that the media uses the word hacker for people like Lulzsec who are really crackers.

Ephraim J. Witchwood:
"Hacker" isn't the right word to use in this situation. To be honest, I'm not sure what word works best, but it sure as hell ain't "hacker".

Hacker is the right word. Hacker is supposed to be someone who just does it for himself. A cracker is someone who cracks software or into websites to do damage.

Shikua:

Echo136:

Actual:
Wonderful how Sony doesn't even need to win the court case, they just need to throw so much money at it that a man can't afford to defend himself.

Love how money can buy the law.

This man fixed a broken product, the PS3, which Sony deliberately broke.

It's like if your car manufacturer turned off the stereo in your car because they were worried some people might use it to play pirated music and then sent you to prison for fixing it!

Thats a stupid example. Stereo's can be easily bought at a radioshack or best buy, and replace the old one LEGALLY. Why does everyone resort to using cars as an example for software piracy.

Because YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR!
Captcha: top drawer

LIKE HELL I WOULDNT. Given enough bandwidth and the technology, I'd try. LOL

Baresark:
I don't think he is facing criminal charges for it? Is he? I mean, I thought all that stuff was civil, meaning his credit and paychecks will forever be docked an amount of money a judge decides is fair. But if you are suing someone for money, if they can't pay, they don't go to jail.

Low Key:
That's some bullshit. I hope he can raise enough money. He doesn't deserve to go to jail for modifying a device he bought.

Quiet Stranger:
Good to hear? I guess? I can't wait till they arrest lulzsec or whatever they are called

No it's not. The guy didn't hack the network, he hacked his system to restore OtherOS. That's what fail0verflow is known for.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not for hackers and stealing, but I am for people being able to utilize a device they own as they see fit. I think it's funny how the slobbering uneducated masses always cry for blood in these situations, when if they got what they wanted, the masses position is no better than if it never happened.

I agree with you here, going to jail for hacking his console 0.0 (which he paid for and then had stuff taken off of) And this is corporate, not violent or aggressive, how is he going to jail for that?

I can never fathom how hacking gets the same jail-time and more in certain cases than manslaughter, it really does prove beyond doubt that corporations hold WAY too much power, governments I can handle, but if ever I had reason to flood the world with pure anarchism, it would be company greed and abuse of power.

Because YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR!

I HATE that cliche saying! Fact is: You couldn't download a car.

Echo136:

Actual:
Wonderful how Sony doesn't even need to win the court case, they just need to throw so much money at it that a man can't afford to defend himself.

Love how money can buy the law.

This man fixed a broken product, the PS3, which Sony deliberately broke.

It's like if your car manufacturer turned off the stereo in your car because they were worried some people might use it to play pirated music and then sent you to prison for fixing it!

Thats a stupid example. Stereo's can be easily bought at a radioshack or best buy, and replace the old one LEGALLY. Why does everyone resort to using cars as an example for software piracy.

So he bought a replacement and they sued him, the analogy still works. It doesn't matter how he did it, he restored functionality to a broken product.

A closer to home analogy, Microsoft block internet access from every windows PC because of the fact that pirates use the internet. You bought a windows PC with the expectation that you'd be able to access the internet. You circumvent that you get sued.

Edited for something that just occurred to me. You highlighted 'legally' in your post. What he did wasn't illegal, that's the whole point of this court case, to decide if a corporation has the right to stop you fixing your and others products once they've sold them to you.

Unfortunately because of how much money Sony has they don't need to prove he was in the wrong legally, he won't be able to fight his case so they win by default of being considerably richer.

This is a hard one for me. I believe sony is in the right trying to protect their system from piracy and this guy was a big help in the pirate market getting sony's system opened up for piracy. But I also understand the want to open up your own system and do what you please with it (even though I think all people who pirate should get a good swift kick wherever it would hurt the most or should have to work on something and spend thousands to millions of dollars on a product for 2-5 years and then have it pirated).

But there is definitely something wrong when it comes down to which entity has more money to win a legal battle which sadly is the way the world pretty much works now. This is a no win situation for either side sadly.

Echo136:

Actual:
Wonderful how Sony doesn't even need to win the court case, they just need to throw so much money at it that a man can't afford to defend himself.

Love how money can buy the law.

This man fixed a broken product, the PS3, which Sony deliberately broke.

It's like if your car manufacturer turned off the stereo in your car because they were worried some people might use it to play pirated music and then sent you to prison for fixing it!

Thats a stupid example. Stereo's can be easily bought at a radioshack or best buy, and replace the old one LEGALLY. Why does everyone resort to using cars as an example for software piracy.

Because 1. No new PS3 being sold has other OS and 2. This wasn't because of software piracy. Sony uses that as a blanket term for anything that someone does to their systems. All of Graf's work went into bringing back Other OS to fat PS3 and also giving it to the slim models. In fact, someone continued Graf's work and now people can install Other OS on any of the PS3 models. You can't just lump all people who hack their systems to LOL THEY DOING IT FOR PIRACY.

Hmmm....i don't know, but shouldn't a legal protection insurance come up with most of the costs in Germany?
And if he doesn't have one, shouldn't he get court-appointed defence?

Just going to jail because you can't pay seems unlikely for Germany.

Btw taking away OtherOS was a freaking douche bag move, I liked linking some PS3's with buddies for scientific purposes and still being able to play regularly.

edit: and Sony even got around some taxes 'cause they could advertise the PS3 as computer and not as entertainment console - did they ever have to pay up the taxes since they took away OtherOS?

ChillShark:
Because YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR!

I HATE that cliche saying! Fact is: You couldn't download a car.

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You realize that line is a joke right? From an edited picture from an anti-piracy commercial? And I said it to explain why people always use the car example when talking about hacking.
The original, for all to see!

Now the next question: How long will PSN be down for this time?
It would seem Sony hasn't lost enough money to learn their lesson.

Quiet Stranger:
Good to hear? I guess? I can't wait till they arrest lulzsec or whatever they are called

SSSHHHHH! THEY ARE LISTENING! :D

Actual:

Echo136:

Actual:
Wonderful how Sony doesn't even need to win the court case, they just need to throw so much money at it that a man can't afford to defend himself.

Love how money can buy the law.

This man fixed a broken product, the PS3, which Sony deliberately broke.

It's like if your car manufacturer turned off the stereo in your car because they were worried some people might use it to play pirated music and then sent you to prison for fixing it!

Thats a stupid example. Stereo's can be easily bought at a radioshack or best buy, and replace the old one LEGALLY. Why does everyone resort to using cars as an example for software piracy.

So he bought a replacement and they sued him, the analogy still works. It doesn't matter how he did it, he restored functionality to a broken product.

A closer to home analogy, Microsoft block internet access from every windows PC because of the fact that pirates use the internet. You bought a windows PC with the expectation that you'd be able to access the internet. You circumvent that you get sued.

No in fact, in real life the example does NOT WORK! Nowadays you dont get in trouble for fixing your own engine. You dont get in trouble for changing your own tires, and you wouldnt get in trouble for replacing the radio and speakers with some nice subwoofers. None of that works. Unless there are roadblocks at every street corner where a company man from the manufacturer checks your car to make sure its still all authentic, its an unrealistic scenario.

Echo136:

Actual:
Wonderful how Sony doesn't even need to win the court case, they just need to throw so much money at it that a man can't afford to defend himself.

Love how money can buy the law.

This man fixed a broken product, the PS3, which Sony deliberately broke.

It's like if your car manufacturer turned off the stereo in your car because they were worried some people might use it to play pirated music and then sent you to prison for fixing it!

Thats a stupid example. Stereo's can be easily bought at a radioshack or best buy, and replace the old one LEGALLY. Why does everyone resort to using cars as an example for software piracy.

He didn't commit any acts of software piracy. He modified a device he purchased to restore an advertised feature which was removed without notification or consent. Do you have any evidence that he ran, or even intended to run, pirated software? No? Then get off your high horse and start talking about the actual issue of this man's case instead of the larger situation of which you perceive it to be representative and for which you have decided to blame him (an action roughly as ridiculous as blaming a maker of wrenches because the tools they produced were used to commit a crime).

The idea that aftermarket modifications performed by an individual on a product they have payed for and legally own is inherently criminal is an inherently destructive one which serves no purpose other than to advance the cause of large corporations against private individuals who often lack the resources to defend themselves (as in this case).

zaver:

Actually it is the right word. The problem is that the media uses the word hacker for people like Lulzsec who are really crackers.

Shikua:
Hacker is the right word. Hacker is supposed to be someone who just does it for himself. A cracker is someone who cracks software or into websites to do damage.

Ah, well then. Ya learn something new every day, eh?

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