Peter Molyneux Is "Ashamed" Of Fable III's Scores

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Peter, look, you're a nice guy n' all, and I really dig your enthusiasm. Few developers have that kind of enthusiasm.

But instead of "making the best damn Fable game, the best damn game in the whole world!" how about you just make a good game? Just, you know, step back, asses it, and just make a game. Not one that tries to revolutionize everything, not one that tries to really "capture" the "fable" experience, not one that you will start touting every "revolutionary" feature and whatnot. Just; a game. Good or bad, doesn't matter, just create something that hopefully everyone will love.

It's really getting sad at this point. Molyneux wants to keep doing better and better and he just can't quite reach it. I know I've been there.

Just....I dunno, take a step back and just create regardless of what others thought. Just create something, I dunno. It's really painful to keep seeing this cycle from Molyneux...

He should be ashamed. When I was a wee little tad I would go to the computer and boot up the windows 98 and play black and white. Around 2003 I got my first xbox first game was fable. Then through the years I eagerly played black and white 2, the movies, and Fable 2. When fable three came out me and my friend where there for the midnight release, a total 2 hour drive form the gamestop back to my home. After staying up playing through the whole game. Seeing the ending credits there was only one thing and my friend could think of "That game was terrible". Peter stop 1. stop promising bullshit you can't deliver 2. Don't ever make another fable game.

well, shows he cares at least

vansau:
Peter Molyneux Is "Ashamed" Of Fable III's Scores

The only reason it got such bad reviews is what it could have been. Squandered potential is infinitely more frustrating than zero potential.

danpascooch:
Literally every single time he does this.

It makes me cringe whenever I see a comment saying "Oh wow! Someone who actually admits his mistakes!" Since by now it's just a pattern he uses to hype up the next game without actually doing anything different.

The problem is, where do you draw the line between someone who honestly, earnestly, tries their best and fails and someone who really is just all hype, all the time?

If he were the PR machine many people (justifiably!) think of him as, I'd imagine he'd be quite pleased with the not-terrible reviews. His stance seems to be, "this was good, but we can do better!"

Whether you actually believe that's his aim or not, I will always wholeheartedly support someone who says that in the gaming industry; I think it is what more developers need to hear.

Seventh Actuality:
It's hard not to like the guy, but there comes a point where you think "have you not realised this is how it goes every time, Peter?" He needs a partner who can pick holes in his ideas before they get implemented, a balancing, cynical influence. He and Yahtzee should be roommates. And possibly fight crime.

I second this, Peter's heart seems to be in the right place but his ideas always exceed his execution, he realy does need to be partnered up with someone who can keep him grounded and channel those creatives energies into achievable ideas (see the original fable premise of being able to plant an acorn and watching it grow over time)

vansau:
Molyneux isn't happy about the scores that Lionhead's latest game didn't get perfect reviews, but he also admits that he understands the comments.

Am I the only one who thinks of this song whenever I see Molyneux?

[NSFW WARNING: Some dodgy vocals right at the end of this... you have been warned]

....what?

why wont they remake the original fable allready? many many people (hope Im right) agree its the best of the series.

danpascooch:
Literally every single time he does this.

It makes me cringe whenever I see a comment saying "Oh wow! Someone who actually admits his mistakes!" Since by now it's just a pattern he uses to hype up the next game without actually doing anything different.

Yeah, Peter says the same thing after every Fable game. Not really news anymore.

Escapist gives most games 4/5

This pretty much means that he's going to announce Fable 4 now. As this is pretty much what he does every time before he has released a sequel. Man this guy is a douche. It's like every damn time he says "I know this one had its faults, but this one is going to be even BETTER and fix all of that!"

Just stop Peter. Nobody cares.

Personally, I rather enjoyed fable 2, and fable 3 was a step up from this, with more intuitive interfaces (Yeah, it was annoying going to the sanctuary all the time, But, it was better at keeping you in the story that lots of menu's), Better and more fluid combat (With some awesome finishing moves) and the dual magic idea.

The problem the games have is Peter has so many good idea's that he tries to get them all crammed in and then they run out of time leaving a lot half finished, but he does always make them better for the next game along with adding all his new ideas.

It's been said before, but "You are always your own worst critic", I know any work I've done, I do the exact same he does, and admit all my faults. There are those who say that it's all his way to make hype for the next game, and it might make hype, but I personally choose to see it as he is always learning from the last game. But he will continue to aim for that which he cannot reach, which I love about him.

Fappy:
Peter is never satisfied with his work.

It'd be nice if he was never satisfied, but improved. This isn't the case, so the lack of satisfaction has no meaning.

Man I like the guy. At the very least his games are different.

I see so many great and amazing ideas in the Fable series that unfortunately were not developed enough. I wish Microsoft would cut the deadlines and give Lionhead as much time as they need with the next Fable. It seems that the only thing the Fable series needs in order to realize its potential is time.

danpascooch:
Literally every single time he does this.

It makes me cringe whenever I see a comment saying "Oh wow! Someone who actually admits his mistakes!" Since by now it's just a pattern he uses to hype up the next game without actually doing anything different.

Eh this kind of angry cynicism is also to be expected in every one of these threads and similarly makes me cringe. To make matters worse, half the time it's from people who didn't even buy the game in question.

Now I'll say that there were a lot of things in Fable 3 that said to me that this was not a finished product. As a for instance, development shots showed off some spectacular looking coin golf tables, but the final game had no pub games whatsoever.

Too much fiddling from microsoft I'll imagine when it came to kinect support and time constraints. How many games do they publish and yet they won't let one of their most prestigious studios develop a "when it's done" philosophy? I can't say Pete inspires confidence though with his spite for controllers are reliable HUDS, but at least if he gets his act together enough to ship a finished game it will attest that he learned something from this. And MS should really take their reputation into account over deadlines.

"Well, I am ashamed that Fable III got bad scores, I guess we must be doing something wrong.

Wait, I know how to win back the fans! let's make the next Fable an on-rails shooter!"

WHY MOLYNEUX, WHY!?

Oh, just shut up Peter. He's happy with the game's sucsess, he's just saying that so us nerds will like him moar.

AndyFromMonday:
I see so many great and amazing ideas in the Fable series that unfortunately were not developed enough. I wish Microsoft would cut the deadlines and give Lionhead as much time as they need with the next Fable. It seems that the only thing the Fable series needs in order to realize its potential is time.

While this could be a great idea, as is Peter keeps coming up with new ideas he want's to add, if he has all the time he needs to make a game, I can see that we'll be waiting as long as DNF took, and you will be able to tell where the changes of gaming took place during the games production when you play it. But I might be wrong and maybe the game would live up to his great view for it, we can only hope.

Doesn't he do this after every Lionhead release nowadays?

Also, who the fuck gave Fable III 80-something review scores?
Sure, some of the dialogue is witty (specifically the parts done by John Cleese) but the rest of the game is mediocre at best.

Turing:
Doesn't he do this after every Lionhead release nowadays?

Also, who the fuck gave Fable III 80-something review scores?
Sure, some of the dialogue is witty (specifically the parts done by John Cleese) but the rest of the game is mediocre at best.

I don't know about the rest of it being "mediocre at best". You may not like everything about the fable series from a personal standpoint, but from a design point of view somebody does. From the glittering trail system being incorporated into "Skyrim", to the addition of dogs in "Minecraft", to the hand holding system in "Amy", there are apparently some people who seem to think it's got some good ideas.

AnkaraTheFallen:

AndyFromMonday:
I see so many great and amazing ideas in the Fable series that unfortunately were not developed enough. I wish Microsoft would cut the deadlines and give Lionhead as much time as they need with the next Fable. It seems that the only thing the Fable series needs in order to realize its potential is time.

While this could be a great idea, as is Peter keeps coming up with new ideas he want's to add, if he has all the time he needs to make a game, I can see that we'll be waiting as long as DNF took, and you will be able to tell where the changes of gaming took place during the games production when you play it. But I might be wrong and maybe the game would live up to his great view for it, we can only hope.

From what I've seen after playing all of the Fable games it just seems as if the developers didn't have enough time to realize their ideas. Duke Nukem Forever was the product of laziness and all around incompetence, at least from what I've seen.

I just wish Lionhead had enough time to realize all of their ideas. You can see so many sparks of greatness in their games that were simply not realized due to the tight production schedule.

I really like this guy and I like the first two fable games, haven't played the third though.

Zhukov:
Mr Molyneux, you are one strange little man.

And yet, I can't help but like the guy.

The man's charisma stat is through the roof. That said, he says this after every Fable installment. Oh, we had high hopes but didn't reach them. Oh, I feel just gutted over what we didn't achieve.

You know, just once, I'd like him to be offended and ask us what the hell our collective problem is. Just once.

I actually thought the ruling section of the game worked pretty well, that one certain exception, erm, excepted. Yes the 150 day nap exception.

However despite the rest of the section being quite thought-provoking, that one decision, that one act, that once complete fucking dick-move was so bad, so out of place, so stupid, so utterly non-sensicle that frankly I think it would be fair to knock the game down to a mid-80s score just for it alone, even if the rest of the game were 100/100.

I won't spoil it - though honestly if you're playing through the game I encourage you to look it up; it's so deviant from immersion that spoiling it for youself and being able to plan around it is actually going to make the game better - but this was not some random quest in the middle of the game. This was not some stupid decision that had no lasting effect. This was the big last choice, the big action of win-it-or-loose-it for the game as a whole, the one thing that the entire story lead up to, the catalyst for every decision you made as king, the decision that will have a lasting, permenant effect on the world as it dictates how many people survive... and the not only takes it out of your hands, but proceeds to throw it on the floor and stomp on it.

Too fucking right the game didn't deserve any more than 8/10.

Fappy:
Peter is never satisfied with his work.

Ah, but I personally see that as a good thing. I like Molyneux anyway, as a developer and as a person (he seems like a cool guy, and he's been a very good influence on the industry and has helped keep the UK developers on the map, which as an Englishman and aspiring developer myself is a good thing for me). So if he's unhappy with his work, then it means he'll always be driven to improve and make something even better, which is good for him, for his company, and especially good for his fans and for gamers in general. I wish more developers would make the effort to improve all the time, like Molyneux does, instead of rehashing the same old crap all the time (I'm talking about you, EA and Activision...)...

AndyFromMonday:

AnkaraTheFallen:

AndyFromMonday:
I see so many great and amazing ideas in the Fable series that unfortunately were not developed enough. I wish Microsoft would cut the deadlines and give Lionhead as much time as they need with the next Fable. It seems that the only thing the Fable series needs in order to realize its potential is time.

While this could be a great idea, as is Peter keeps coming up with new ideas he want's to add, if he has all the time he needs to make a game, I can see that we'll be waiting as long as DNF took, and you will be able to tell where the changes of gaming took place during the games production when you play it. But I might be wrong and maybe the game would live up to his great view for it, we can only hope.

From what I've seen after playing both all of the Fable games it just seems as if the developers didn't have enough time to realize their ideas. Duke Nukem Forever was the product of laziness and all around incompetence, at least from what I've seen.

I just wish Lionhead had enough time to realize all of their ideas. You can see so many sparks of greatness in their games that were simply not realized due to the tight production schedule.

I agree completely with that, I was simply meaning Peter would probably keep adding to the game, if he had someone to sit with who would say "No, we can't add more, it needs to be finished some time soon" Then it could be great and the games could live up to what he wants them to be.
And the DNF thing was simply me saying it would take as long as that game if he was adding to it, but thankfully, even if it did take that long, we could be secure in the knowledge that at least he was working on a great game rather than making a bland game that most people could make in a year or so.

"A very different approach to game development"

Maybe they and everyone else should take a look at Valve: the clearest and most transparent example of evidence-based design in any developer. If Lionhead is supposed to be given plaudits because Fable 3 is their worst game, consider that Left 4 Dead is Valve's worst and it's still brilliant.

I think molyneux is simply a bad game designer, lionhead are simply a bad game design company.

The bit amongst all the other bits I hated about fable three was going around farting on people to get naughty points as if the game was designed for 6 year olds then all of a sudden having gay sex capabilities with my coop partner and getting married.

wtf?

and the rest of the game sucked because they spent all their money on voice acting which was good at times. the dialogue did not match the calibur of the talent.

Ok, Peter, enough is enough. You're a likable guy who obviously puts his heart and soul into his games, but instead of apologizing for every game, you need to actually fix the problems you keep apologizing for.

constantcompile:

The problem is, where do you draw the line between someone who honestly, earnestly, tries their best and fails and someone who really is just all hype, all the time?

If he were the PR machine many people (justifiably!) think of him as, I'd imagine he'd be quite pleased with the not-terrible reviews. His stance seems to be, "this was good, but we can do better!"

Whether you actually believe that's his aim or not, I will always wholeheartedly support someone who says that in the gaming industry; I think it is what more developers need to hear.

Compare this to Mike Laidlaw and EA's "acknowledgments" of DAII's problems.

"We made a super, super awesome game! But, even though it was so great, and even though most people absolutely loved it, for some mysterious reason, some people complained about it.

We totally get that some people thought that it was just slightly less awesome than they should have, and that makes us sad. We wanted you to know that. We really hope that when Dragon Age III comes out they stop not realizing how amazing it is."

Maybe if he made better games they wouldn't get poorly reviewed. :L

Peter is the king of broken promises, and NO Fable game has ever lived up to the hype of things he claimed would be in Fable 1, because he is a liar.

Hey Peter! Why not make Fable 3 on PC available for me to purchase, so that I could lower that score further!

This piece of news dropping just after the Jimquisition and Extra Credits each did episodes about the problems with our review system. Seriously, why should someone be ashamed of getting a 4/5?

Hey Peter, stop making shitty games and it won't be a problem anymore.

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