Leland Yee Hopes To Keep Up The Fight

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Leland Yee Hopes To Keep Up The Fight

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In spite of the Supreme Court's overwhelming rejection of a California law that would criminalize the sale of mature videogames to children, Senator Leland Yee wants to try again.

You've probably heard by now that the Supreme Court of the United States, by a vote of 7-2, has affirmed the right of videogames to the same First Amendment protections as movies, music and books. It was a big win for the videogame industry and gamers around the world, not to mention supporters of free speech in general, and a serious blow to those who want to see games categorized in the same way as cigarettes and pornography. Yet despite the decisive ruling, Yee isn't ready to give up just yet.

During a press conference following the announcement of the decision, the senator said he hopes to come up with a new, narrower law that won't fall afoul of the First Amendment. "We're poring through the opinions to see where we can create a pathway for a successful bill that could withstand a challenge," he said. "The evidence is absolutely crystal clear that there are harmful effects on our children."

"Even with the existing court, there may be, if we craft the bill differently, there may be a basis for trying to get another hearing within the Supreme Court on this critical matter," he added.

Is Yee really that committed to his cause or is he just putting on a show of bravado in the face of defeat? It's been six years and millions of dollars wasted since he first proposed this legislation and I can't imagine that anyone, aside from possibly a few die-hards, would have the stomach for another piece of that action. On the other hand, you can never overestimate the dedication of a true believer. Yee may find it harder now to advance his anti-game agenda, but that doesn't mean he won't give it his best shot.

Sources: KGO-TV, The San Francisco Appeal, via GamePolitics

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I'm not surprised that the fight is going to continue. Nobody these days will let sleeping dogs lie.

It's more a publicity stunt if anything, this guy just wants to move up the ladder and needs a poster child for his accomplishments.

The only thing I got out of his words was:

"That damn constitution sure is inconvenient, but we'll keep trying to work around it."

RatRace123:
The only thing I got out of his words was:

"That damn constitution sure is inconvenient, but we'll keep trying to work around it."

This

I mean that is exactly what he is saying, he doesn't care about rights, he just want popularity and/or recognition for his next campaing; then again tell me how many citizens know their rights.

RatRace123:
The only thing I got out of his words was:

"That damn constitution sure is inconvenient, but we'll keep trying to work around it."

Either that or "I'm a arrogant fat-headed prick who just loves to waste the American taxpayer's money on hopeless causes."

Man am I glad I don't live in California, or in the USA at all, for that matter.

RatRace123:
The only thing I got out of his words was:

"That damn constitution sure is inconvenient, but we'll keep trying to work around it."

You need to read it a bit harder.
What he said was that 'we'll try to draft a bill that works within the legal framework established by the constitution' essentially.

The guy's devoted 6 years of his life to this thing, why would he stop now?

Why do these people all have weird smiles?

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Also, I'd love to see his 'crystal clear' evidence.

Persistence is key to victory. Even though he's fighting for the wrong side.

Yep, the dude is a believer. nothing I nor anyone else can say will get him to stop. Its ssad really but some people are just like that: Extremely closed minded.

Also Crystal Clear Proof my ass! 90% of that crap is completely one sided, biased, and leaves out WAY too many factors for them to be actual studies.

scnj:
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Looks like I'm not getting any sleep tonight.

Even if he narrowed it there are still 5 people on that court that would tell him to piss off. And last I checked 5 out of nine is still the majority.

Lord Beautiful:

scnj:
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Looks like I'm not getting any sleep tonight.

Then it seems my work here is done. :D

If nothing else, I admire persistence.

Hey Americans, answer me this - Why do you hold your Constitution in such high regard if every politician and their dog wants to change its meaning or circumvent it? Surely it must get annoying?

It looks like this guy is going to have to find the tiniest nits in the world to pick if he wants to get this case back into the Supreme Court

Andy Chalk:
"The evidence is absolutely crystal clear that there are harmful effects on our children."

Bull. Shit. No such evidence really exists. The most you have are really poor studies that are contradicted by other really poor studies and you in the middle trying to get the government to raise children instead of their parents.

Hopefully this clown won't get reelected and then taxpayer dollars can stop being wasted on his nonsense.

Well, maybe he'll cause enough of a fuss and get booted out like Jack Thompson did?

And I would love to see this 'crystal-clear evidence' he's going on about. Last I checked, the only definitive evidence was that violent games only have lasting effects on people who are severely mentally disturbed.

I've been playing violent games since I was 6 years old, because my parents spent a lot of time with me and felt confident that I could tell the difference between fiction and reality. Kids still can't buy M-rated games without parental consent. If parents do their Goddamn duty as parents then this becomes a complete non-issue.

People of California. Do you really want to waste your state's time and money with this?

No? I thought not/

makes me almost ashamed to be a californian, not that i took pride in it before.

i wish my state would stop the blame game and start being fucking responsible...

Bob the frantic:
Hey Americans, answer me this - Why do you hold your Constitution in such high regard if every politician and their dog wants to change its meaning or circumvent it? Surely it must get annoying?

It looks like this guy is going to have to find the tiniest nits in the world to pick if he wants to get this case back into the Supreme Court

It's all political now. He made promises to get the money to fund all this, and he came up short. He can't go to them and say "We screwed up, game over." That's like a big company failing after one bad product- the investors won't let them get off that easy. This guy's fate is sealed, which is why all you hear are buzzwords like "crystal clear evidence:" they give the guys handing out the cash happy. He's in for a serious world of pain and suffering, but this is the path he chose to go down and now he must face the consequences, even in the midst of defeat.

Bob the frantic:
Hey Americans, answer me this - Why do you hold your Constitution in such high regard if every politician and their dog wants to change its meaning or circumvent it? Surely it must get annoying?

It looks like this guy is going to have to find the tiniest nits in the world to pick if he wants to get this case back into the Supreme Court

Because it is what is allowing us to not have outrageous censorship which is what the politicians are trying to do with circumventing it. It does get quite annoying considering how the people have to pay the fees of them losing through our taxes. I really want someone to pull something to the Supreme Court and have them say that you cannot try and get this censored any longer.

The biggest bullshit is that we tout freedom to do what we want then we go and support bullshit like making it so that the parents are told what to do rather than let them decide whether or not their kids are allowed to do it by their rules.

Canid117:
Even if he narrowed it there are still 5 people on that court that would tell him to piss off. And last I checked 5 out of nine is still the majority.

Amen to that. And if you read their opinion it basically says "Video games are 1st amendment, free speech protected. Period." So it won't matter how much they try narrowing it down. It is still protected free speech.

As for Bob the frantic's question...some people in the US feel they are right and they know what is right even if literally everyone else feels differently. Ultimately it comes down to power and the use/abuse of it. People try circumnavigating the US Constitution as power plays. I would like to be optimistic and say that most are shot down. It won't stop people from trying.

And as for that Senator, he is simply anti-video game. No evidence, no matter how complete or compelling will sway him from his extremism. He's a one trick pony and nothing will ever come of him. Any bill he introduces will get struck down even if it manages to pass through legislature because other US courts will take this ruling as prescidence and immediately strike it down as unconstitutional.

This guy seriously needs to calm down. Considering his last try only really used one game for an example of what would be actually covered by it (Postal 2), what would a narrowed down version cover? Nothing? Hard-core porn games maybe? I honestly can't think of anything much. It really just seems like the guy has some sort of problem with games in general without any real reason for it. The entire thing seems silly. Here's hoping he gets the boot.

Honestly I would have been more surprised if he let it fall there.

canadamus_prime:

RatRace123:
The only thing I got out of his words was:

"That damn constitution sure is inconvenient, but we'll keep trying to work around it."

Either that or "I'm a arrogant fat-headed prick who just loves to waste the American taxpayer's money on hopeless causes."

Man am I glad I don't live in California, or in the USA at all, for that matter.

I still think he's doing all this because he has a bunch of kids at home he has no interest in raising and taking care of, and what better way to make your kids not want anything to do with you than to go after games as vehemently as he does?

He's borderline Jack Thompson right now, the only thing missing is him making a bet, someone doing it, him pussying out, then a webcomic pays the bet for him which gets his cotton panties in a twist so he resorts to hounding and threatening said webcomic like the insane little twat-dweller he is.

scnj:

Also, I'd love to see his 'crystal clear' evidence.

I was trying to figure out what crystal he was looking though to see the world in his special clear way.

I assume he was referring to crystal meth.

......those smiles haunt me.

Well, at least he just lost the youth vote. Hopefully he won't even be in a position to push a bill through in the next couple years.

"Won't somebody PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!?!?!"

God, this guy is just...I am really curious what the people of California actually think about this Senator's crusade against video games. Seriously. Drugs, alcohol, gangs, sex, those are all fine, kids! As long as you're not playing a bloody video game!

He makes me almost physically sick.

Great, have fun getting reelected after spending millions on nothing. I'm sure you will.

Bob the frantic:
Hey Americans, answer me this - Why do you hold your Constitution in such high regard if every politician and their dog wants to change its meaning or circumvent it? Surely it must get annoying?

It looks like this guy is going to have to find the tiniest nits in the world to pick if he wants to get this case back into the Supreme Court

We do because someone has to. Our politicians as a whole have proved two things: they don't particularly care for smart people, and they can easily convince stupid people to keep voting for them. The system sucks, and the only way to fight it is to go through the system. It's really fucking depressing. Of course, there are hardly any poverty-stricken people in our country, so I guess that's a decent incentive for not fleeing like rats.

"The Bolder, takes issue, with that comment!" There is not absolute proof that violent video games have bad effects on children. The results are all over the map, completely insignificant in any statistical analysis. Move on dude, you lost.

Keep up the fight? This cause has been struck down by the highest court in the land. It's over. There is little you can do to change that.

Crystal clear evidence? Do you want to, oh I don't know, actually cite some solid studies on this subject? Or is that too inconvenient for you? Man, you gotta be kidding me.

cursedseishi:

He's borderline Jack Thompson right now, the only thing missing is him making a bet, someone doing it, him pussying out, then a webcomic pays the bet for him which gets his cotton panties in a twist so he resorts to hounding and threatening said webcomic like the insane little twat-dweller he is.

Jack's got quite the lead on him though.

In March 2011, in response to the creation of a school shooter mod entitled School Shooter: North American Tour 2012, developed by Checkerboarded Studios on Valve Corporation's Source engine, Thompson emailed Valve's managing director, Gabe Newell, demanding that the mod be removed, as he speculated that Valve played a part in the mod's development. In the letter, Thompson stated that Half-Life was directly responsible for the Erfurt massacre, as well as the Virginia Tech massacre and that Valve had until 5:00 PM on March 18 to remove the mod.

Anyone know what happened with this?

I think most people are missing the point of this whole thing. There is nothing wrong with making the sale of certain video games to minors illegal, it's just that this law went about it in a manner that could have side effects of game censorship or interference with game development. If a new bill that is not over-reaching and fits within both the boundaries of this case's decision and the Constitution, no one should have a problem with that. The potentially harmful law is beaten, dissent or promises to try again do not mean the war is continuing. The war over legislation of this kind is essentially over.

Ok short and simple. Crystal clear evidence that gaming corrupts kids, my ass. look up Ed Gein and the many variables that took place and the fact of lack of games in his child hood. Next. socially crippling our kids, BS. years kids have been socially crippled because of anti social skills and that video games being created it is as stated before, been used as a scapegoat for many things that just don't relate. Dad or Mom or some relative kills or in attentively watches over dead sibling because of gaming. Here is a quote that my dad acquired from his dad and beyond. "Any idiot can create a child, but it takes a real man to take care of that child."

Andy Chalk:
"The evidence is absolutely crystal clear that there are harmful effects on our children."

[citation needed]

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