Rep. Joe Baca Rails Against Supreme Court Decision

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ZombieGenesis:
... the Supreme Court gave the First Ammendment protection?
Why am I only just hearing of this?

About bloody time.

Released yesterday, all over the site.

Covarr:
The title of this article is misleading. I also thought "Rep" was short for Republican at first, when Joe Baca is, in fact, a Democrat. Turns out it means "Representative".

Censorship has never been an issue that's been divided along party lines; there are idiots for it on BOTH sides.

P.S. Thanks

Wow, this really sounds like the fear mongering of a Republican!

I guess we can blame it on the state interfering tendencies of Democrats instead. Each as bad as the other!

Anyone out there in this man's district want to shoot this man an e-mail providing some facts? Seems like he needs a swift kick of truth to the ass.

I wrote this to Rep. Baca on his website:

Congressman Baca,

In your statement regarding the recent Supreme Court ruling, you made the following assertion: "Unfortunately, the industry is still not doing enough to provide parents with accurate information regarding the content of many games."

This is patently false; the ESRB ratings system provides parents with ample information on game packaging to determine whether a game is age-appropriate for a child, including the use of descriptors such as "strong language", "intense violence", or "use of alcohol". Additionally, the ESRB publishes more detailed information on its website, such as "Realistic gunfire, explosions, and cries of pain are heard during the frequent and fast-paced combat."

To my knowledge, this level of detail is only provided for movies by parents' groups, not by the industry itself, as is the case for video games.

Regardless of your feelings towards gaming and gamers, please make sure to get your facts straight.

Even if he's purposely misstating the facts, maybe this will help keep him on his toes. :)

Covarr:

The title of this article is misleading. I also thought "Rep" was short for Republican at first, when Joe Baca is, in fact, a Democrat. Turns out it means "Representative".

To my knowledge, "Rep." is never used as a shorthand for "Republican". The common convention (which frankly I'm surprised Andy didn't use in his article) is this: "Rep. Joe Baca (D-CA)".

Sevre:
I love how whenever there's a low-key political event like this(lets face it, outside the Games Industry this affects no one), a group of nobody congressmen and political activists latch on to it in an effort to boost their own profile.

We should all take up smoking just to piss him off.

This

Really why are people even caring enough to be mad at this guy? Nothings changed for us, the intelligent majority vast outways this minority, and no one in the world knew this guys name before he tried to publicly condem this.

In reality there have been two politicians and one religious parent group who have come forward to object, otherwise they will fade back into the complete obscurity from whence they came. We can speed them back down that hole by simply ignoring this no name joke of a leader.

Hopefully Augmented Reality games will pick up soon so people can have a new thing to fear.

Andy Chalk:

"I am disappointed the multi-billion dollar video game industry will continue to go unchecked in its ability to profit from selling heinous depictions of violence and sex to minors," Baca said in the wake of the ruling.

This ruling only applies to violence. If a game has porn in it you still can't sell it to minors.

Andy Chalk:

"Unfortunately, the industry is still not doing enough to provide parents with accurate information regarding the content of many games."

The fact that you and your ilk keep saying that tells me that
A. You're ignorant of what they're actually doing
B. Your standards are unreasonably high. Seriously they outperform movies and I don't see anyone making an issue out of that (although if they did they wouldn't be on the escapist)
or
C. You'll just say that regardless of what they're actually doing to sound more dramatic/score political points.

Andy Chalk:
"I continue to sponsor and advocate for legislation in the House of Representatives that would mandate all videogames with a rating of 'Teen' or higher be sold with a cigarette style warning label, citing the health risks of excessive exposure to violent media," he said.

That. Will. Never. Pass.

You cannot give government powers to a non-government body. This would basically give the ESRB (a non-government body) the power to decide what gets the warning and what doesn't (since it gives out the T ratings).

Andy Chalk:

"Violent media" presumably excluding movies, television, music and books, of course.

Of course. He doesn't want to be seen as an ignorant old relic who rails against harmless media. But video games, those still scare people.

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What an idiot.

Haha, the filth that should no longer be pedaled to the public is lies from politicians. It's an attack on children to tell them everyone is trying to hurt them.

ZombieGenesis:
... the Supreme Court gave the First Ammendment protection?
Why am I only just hearing of this?

It happened yesterday, you're not that late.

I hate to say it but... objective journalism, what's that?

Honestly I dislike stories like this. It's the writer calling the guy an idiot followed but a bunch of posters calling him an idiot. Yes the congressman's opinion is probably made out of ignorance, yes its dumb, no I don't want to hear a bunch of lemmings repeatedly calling him dumb.

Is it just me, or when a headline says someone is "railing against" something does it almost always mean said someone is "making short-sighted and unreasonable moralistic arguments against" something?

P.S.: If games need to carry health warning labels, then books like "Beloved", "The Jungle", "All Quiet on the Western Front", and "Romeo and Juliet" should carry similar warning labels reading: "The following material may cause you to hate all of humanity with the fiery passion of a gamma ray burst."

Seriously, why get pissy about violent video games when classic literature is just as likely, if not more likely, to make people want to do harm to their fellow man?

Andy Chalk:
Of course, that ignores the fact that the videogame industry does more than any other entertainment business to keep parents educated and informed about its products, and that videogames have a higher level of age rating compliance than any other medium on the market.

You make a few good points but that statement is complete nonsense. Both the music AND movie industries have very clear(to the consumer anyway) guidelines and ratings systems. And while video games have a system of their own, it is not in fact enough to discourage minors from playing games. which is a misnomer anyway. Let's call it partaking in interactive entertainment, since that is waaaay more accurate a description than gaming for a lot of the major franchises.

That is the biggest problem with the industry and IMO the crux of the general argument for this type of legislation. Games are not movies, they are not music, books... They are interactive entertainment requiring the participant to make choices, to consider morality(or lack there of). So while the fanboys and delinquents can sit around making fun of the old guys trying to "ban video games", they miss the primary point of contention: How do we safely transition our children into an age where the level of interaction is so great that it does in fact alter how we see and think of our world. Not just in games but with all forms of interactive media.

Andy Chalk:
"I am disappointed the multi-billion dollar video game industry will continue to go unchecked in its ability to profit from selling heinous depictions of violence and sex to minors," Baca said in the wake of the ruling. "Unfortunately, the industry is still not doing enough to provide parents with accurate information regarding the content of many games."

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Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.

I wanted to enjoy hearing what he had to say. I'm sure it was ridiculous, outdated, and lacking in facts. Unfortunately it seems I can't make it through a single article without an add taking up half my screen.

go ahead, put a health warning label on it, its not gonna do anything. you say cigarettes have something similar, but last time i checked, there are enough cigarettes being consumed by minors to give superman cancer

Sooo... warning labels like on a cigarette container... yeah, those do a lot of good...

SupahGamuh:
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What an idiot.

Epic Facpalm!

when one facepalm is not enough...

Well, perhaps church's and schools should carry health warnings, as children primarily partake in sedimentary activities in those places.

i suppose morons like this exclude movies, television, music, books, magazines, etc. from their anti-sex/violence hit list because they have actually experienced these things for themselves. im willing to bet that this dude has never actually played a violent video game, or even been in the same room as someone who was. hes too fucking old.

but even then, thats not an excuse for stupidity. my dad is 60, and im so glad he has always been smart enough to realize that violent games have no affect on my behavior. ive been playing violent games since i was in elementary school...

They can talk all the want. There is nothing they can do now except take responsibility for their kids. If they don't like it, they can suck a big fat cock.

Hey, my mom just came up with a crazy idea...

if parents don't want to pay attention... have the retailers do it... all they would really have to do is ask for an ID if it is a mature rated game. or if an adult tries to buy an M rated game, and they have a ten year old or something, don't let them buy it. They may end up hating it... but hey, if they want the government to step in, their going to have to put up with the consequences. And this sound stupid (and a note, I'm not on their side, this label thing is a really stupid idea, mainly because you have no physical evidence that any of those warning are true, and to me, you have no proof, your argument is invalid) but if it will finally make them shut up, I say let them... not like its going to make any difference to me, I'm 19, I'll by whatever games I want. Besides, when has such a label ever actually worked?

I was allowed to enter "In Bruges" when I was 10-11 years old, but I'm not allowed to purchase Empire: Total War until I'm 16.
Even if the "Think of the children!" argument is legitimate, priorities should be set. The film industry is so much bigger and so much more violent.

Sougo:
Baca

Actually, baka means stupid in Japanese. But close enough.

theApoc:

Andy Chalk:
Of course, that ignores the fact that the videogame industry does more than any other entertainment business to keep parents educated and informed about its products, and that videogames have a higher level of age rating compliance than any other medium on the market.

You make a few good points but that statement is complete nonsense. Both the music AND movie industries have very clear(to the consumer anyway) guidelines and ratings systems. And while video games have a system of their own, it is not in fact enough to discourage minors from playing games. which is a misnomer anyway. Let's call it partaking in interactive entertainment, since that is waaaay more accurate a description than gaming for a lot of the major franchises.

That is the biggest problem with the industry and IMO the crux of the general argument for this type of legislation. Games are not movies, they are not music, books... They are interactive entertainment requiring the participant to make choices, to consider morality(or lack there of). So while the fanboys and delinquents can sit around making fun of the old guys trying to "ban video games", they miss the primary point of contention: How do we safely transition our children into an age where the level of interaction is so great that it does in fact alter how we see and think of our world. Not just in games but with all forms of interactive media.

You're wrong. Clear statistics were released by the (FCC I think?) that prove retailers follow ESRB guidelines much more strictly than they folllow any other media's

Sougo:
I believe 'Baca' means 'stupid' in Japanese.

Also what exactly could you possibly put down on a warning label on a videogame that would ACTUALLY discourage ppl. from buying it, short of citing a direct link with cancer. Wait.. I think I just made up Fox News' latest headline..

i believe its spelt baka but it close enough

theApoc:

Andy Chalk:
Of course, that ignores the fact that the videogame industry does more than any other entertainment business to keep parents educated and informed about its products, and that videogames have a higher level of age rating compliance than any other medium on the market.

You make a few good points but that statement is complete nonsense. Both the music AND movie industries have very clear(to the consumer anyway) guidelines and ratings systems. And while video games have a system of their own, it is not in fact enough to discourage minors from playing games. which is a misnomer anyway. Let's call it partaking in interactive entertainment, since that is waaaay more accurate a description than gaming for a lot of the major franchises.

Funny, I've never seen posters in music stores or movie theaters describing what each rating means. I've never seen detailed content descriptors on the backs of DVDs or CDs. I've never seen the heads of other rating agencies joining with state Governors to produce PSAs about their industries and classification systems. And I do very clearly recall repeated FTC surveys finding that videogame retailers have a significantly higher rate of compliance with age ratings than movie theaters and DVD and CD retailers.

So perhaps you could clarify "complete nonsense" for me.

Joe Baca thinks videogames are dangerous. Dangerous enough that he has twice introduced a bill that would require all videogames rated T (Teen) or higher to carry health warning labels,

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh man, I need to go lay down. *snicker*

Someone Does Something.

Andy Chalk:
But hey, why let things like "facts" get in the way of hysterical pandering, right?

Isn't that how all religious arguments work?

OT: Yea, I'm glad he lost and I'm happy for the ruling. At least SOMEONE has some sense over the matter.

Pfft, there's been more movies about sex and violence than the entire history of video games combined.

I wonder if he's aware that his surname means "idiot" in Japanese.

guntotingtomcat:
Well, perhaps church's and schools should carry health warnings, as children primarily partake in sedimentary activities in those places.

I assume you meant "sedentary"? Though I would be interested in seeing how church-goers and students partake in rock-related activities (Outside of science class).

Don't really have an OT for this. Just another guy spewing out personal opinions on how bad video games are.

So... why isn't he ranting about films, then?
The guy's an idiot and we should all ignore him and let him continue his confused life.

Covarr:

Bebus:

Anyway, good to see the epitome of 'Land of the free' shoved in the faces of the hypocritical republicans who so often use the message when personal profit is involved, but happily ignore it when it comes to abortions, gay rights, censorship and any other issue they think will win them votes.

The title of this article is misleading. I also thought "Rep" was short for Republican at first, when Joe Baca is, in fact, a Democrat. Turns out it means "Representative".

Censorship has never been an issue that's been divided along party lines; there are idiots for it on BOTH sides.

P.S. Thanks

That's not misleading, that's you making a mistake.

Andy Chalk:

Funny, I've never seen posters in music stores or movie theaters describing what each rating means. I've never seen detailed content descriptors on the backs of DVDs or CDs.

While the rest of your post is completely true, since 2001 the MPAA has started releasing content descriptors along with their ratings for almost all rated movies.

http://www.mpaa.org/ratings/how-to-read-a-rating

As I wrote in my letter to Rep. Baca though, neither the MPAA nor its ratings organization releases more detailed descriptions like the ESRB does. The ESRB, for instance, warns parents about the "glass in mouth" sequence from CoD:BlOps.

I've begun to believe that these idiots have never even looked at a game package. Simply examining one for 30 seconds would result in them seeing the ESRB labels.

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