BioWare Still Unsure About Tali Reveal

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BioWare Still Unsure About Tali Reveal

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BioWare is apparently still wrestling with the single biggest question of the Mass Effect franchise: what does Tali actually look like?

Same-sex relationships notwithstanding, Tali'Zorah is probably the most interesting romance option BioWare has ever come up with. She lives in a hermetically-sealed suit, complete with opaque helmet, and nobody knows what she looks like, presumably not even Shepard when he invited her up to his groovy bachelor pad in space to do the horizontal mambo. He clearly wasn't grossed out when she finally lifted the lid, but what he actually saw remains a mystery, even, it would seem, for the good folks who actually made the game.

"We changed Tali - that was tough because people were very passionate about her. A lot of people want to have her face revealed and obviously people are going to be pissed off either way," Mass Effect 3 Executive Producer Casey Hudson told CVG (via Kotaku).

"Like, 'I thought she was going to look beautiful!' or 'I thought she was going to be the most hideous thing ever!' So we've had a lot of debate over Tali's face, but that's the one we kind of dread a lot," he continued. "We're always, 'Well, let's talk about something else for a while!' That's something we're going to have to decide."

It's quite possible that Hudson is just dangling the long-awaited Tali reveal to make the fanboys dance, but I don't find it all that terribly hard to believe that BioWare is having a hard time figuring out how to handle the situation. She's clearly an alien, but she's also very much a "fan favorite," if you know what I mean. I think it'd be hilarious if she turned out to be a cross between a Predator and Dr. Zoidberg but realistically, I just don't see it happening. My advice to BioWare? Keep the helmet on and the mystery intact.

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I personally don't want to see Tali's face revealed. I think there's something said about leaving it to the imagination, and players have really taken on the character and have no doubt personalised and idealised her. You also can't please everyone :)

Besides, to my Shep, Tali is like a little sister.

She's probably going to look like Kit Fisto I bet, the Quarians always struck me as an aquatic species for some reason.

I always thought the Tali romance was an exercise in uncouth and problematic hero worship.

And partly because of this, I say BioWare should reveal her face, as it would eliminate what is unwittingly a ridiculous idealisation of the faceless female form. Not to mention the fact that Shepard has been allowed to see her face.
So yes, I think it should be revealed. Assuming her face won't be the purple space elf most fan renditions seem to boil down to, of course. If they actually rendered her something truly alien, I would be very impressed.

They could just show us what Quarians in general look like, without showing Tali's face. So then we would at least have an idea of what she is like.

dstreet121:
She's probably going to look like Kit Fisto I bet, the Quarians always struck me as an aquatic species for some reason.

It's likely the tint of their visor. Judging by their planet though, I'd say they likely weren't aquatic. It could have been because of the whole sun thing, but it seemed like it was a fairly dry place to start with.

OT: If they don't, there will be a lot of angry people. I kinda hope they do, but I really don't mind either way. It's just the way they handled it in two that made me rage. Apparently game-me gets to see her face, but not player-me. That makes so much sense... it was the biggest cock-tease I've ever seen.

LiquidGrape:
I always thought the Tali romance was an exercise in uncouth and problematic hero worship.

And partly because of this, I say BioWare should reveal her face, as it would eliminate the faceless fawning element.
Assuming her face won't be the purple space elf most fan renditions seem to boil down to, of course. If they actually rendered her something truly alien, I would be very impressed.

Eh, I doubt she'd be something truly alien. Pretty much any aliens you have with you end up looking like slightly odd humanoids anyways, or at least those you can romance.

I'm still waiting for my hanar teammate and romance to happen! Come on Bioware, make it happen! Floating jellyfish for the win! /joke

Bioware can't win. They show her face, people won't be happy with what it looks like. If they keep the mystery, people won't be happy that they never get to see what she looks like.

Andy Chalk:
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"We changed Tali - that was tough because people were very passionate about her. A lot of people want to have her face revealed and obviously people are going to be pissed off either way"

This is so sad (and ABSOLUTELY 110% true), that I legitimately feel sorry for Bioware.

It's also a bit Ironic, that the developers of more Morally ambiguous, "no-right-answer" moral decisions, than any other dev house........is now trapped in a morally ambiguous, "no-right-answer" decision.

And as a fan of Irony, this makes me chuckle. Good luck Bioware XD

Just show us a Quarian face Bioware. Any face will do. The only reason I romanced her in the first place was so I could see her face...(and because Miranda, and Jack are massive BIOTCHS. And I don't know how I feel about bumping...fingers...minds..or whatever with an Asari.)

There's an easy solution; Don't reveal her face.

Just give certain hints about how the Quarians in general look without a full face reveal. Show Quarian hieroglyphs or something that'll give the player a broad idea of what their faces more or less look like, and have our imagination fill in the blanks.

Kapol:

dstreet121:
She's probably going to look like Kit Fisto I bet, the Quarians always struck me as an aquatic species for some reason.

It's likely the tint of their visor. Judging by their planet though, I'd say they likely weren't aquatic. It could have been because of the whole sun thing, but it seemed like it was a fairly dry place to start with.

OT: If they don't, there will be a lot of angry people. I kinda hope they do, but I really don't mind either way. It's just the way they handled it in two that made me rage. Apparently game-me gets to see her face, but not player-me. That makes so much sense... it was the biggest cock-tease I've ever seen.

that was not the quarian home world, just a colony.

i hope for a reveal, because everything will go done in history as a vitory for the talimancers.

Honestly, it would have been very interesting if they had kept Tali's romance strictly platonic. Sort of like "the girl you love but you will never have" kind of thing, where you could stay dedicated to her despite it being a non-sexual relationship or find others due to your needs. That is actually a moral choice, you numbnuts, so long as you don't slap on a pointless "paragon/renegade" option!

Then maybe at the end, have an easter egg where the do the tango or whatever, still keeping it a mystery what she looks like.

I don't blame Bioware. I'm not sure if I'd like to see Talis face revealed or not. On one hand it'll be nice to finally see if Quarians look just like humans or are they something really alien. But on the other hand it's good to keep some mystery to one of my favourite characters

I agree. Keep it secret, keep it safe.

I like this fan art though...

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tough call

I want her to look like James Earl Jones.

Stupid aside... I don't really want them to reveal her face, I really like Tali as a character (enough to want to name my first dog Tali Zorah Vas whatever I call my house/apartment)
And part of her intrigue comes from the enigma that is living under that hood and mask.

Although If I had to speculate, I'd say it won't be far off humanoid. If you look at Tali as she exists right now you can always make out a glowy-eyed humanoid face behind the mask.

So really, it's not going to be revolting any time soon.

The best analogy I can make is Double D from Ed Edd and Eddy.
Something was up under that hat, and no one ever knew. It would have killed it if they showed what it was.

Meh, I don't really think they should show her face, but I'd still want to see it if they decided to. I kind of like that your relationship is based mostly on her personality (which I personally find freakin' adorable), and nothing with what she looks like underneath her visor. But supposedly a piece of fan made art was run by a few people from Bioware, and they said it was actually pretty close to how they all imagined her.

Keep her face unseen. Because, well... you know that feeling of discomfort you get when you see the movie version of a book you loved? How the actor's faces often seem "off" because they inevitably clash with your imagination? Yeah. That's what would happen if they showed her face. I guarantee that people would not like it.

As has been suggested by others, they could aim for the middle ground by revealing some other Quarian faces. Maybe Kal-Reegor and Admiral Xan.

It's a lose lose situation when it comes to revealing Tali's face. Either way, a group of people is going to be annoyed. To be honest, I'd rather they just keep it a mystery, at least then my expectations won't be underwhelmed.

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Kapol:

dstreet121:
She's probably going to look like Kit Fisto I bet, the Quarians always struck me as an aquatic species for some reason.

It's likely the tint of their visor. Judging by their planet though, I'd say they likely weren't aquatic. It could have been because of the whole sun thing, but it seemed like it was a fairly dry place to start with.

OT: If they don't, there will be a lot of angry people. I kinda hope they do, but I really don't mind either way. It's just the way they handled it in two that made me rage. Apparently game-me gets to see her face, but not player-me. That makes so much sense... it was the biggest cock-tease I've ever seen.

that was not the quarian home world, just a colony.

i hope for a reveal, because everything will go done in history as a vitory for the talimancers.

Ah, right. I forgot. Haven't played it in a long time. Though the ME Wiki says that the planet is actually more arid then Earth, so they'd likely not be aquatic. I suppose it could work though if the majority of the planet was dry land, but they lived mostly in the water, in a backwards version of what we do with our planet (lotsa water which takes up 70% of it's surface). But then again, I also doubt they'd colonize a world if they weren't adapted to live on it like that. I suppose they could be able to survive in both enviroments, but it seems doubtful in the end that they were mainly aquatic. /nerd rant

Luke5515:
The best analogy I can make is Double D from Ed Edd and Eddy.
Something was up under that hat, and no one ever knew. It would have killed it if they showed what it was.

Im pretty sure he was bald or something...

OT: Bioware should be veery veeery carefull with this reveal.

Maybe we don't even have to see Tali's face, but just how an everage person from her species looks like...

In any case this can go wrong so very easily

Don't do it, there is no need. All it will do is inspire more "fan" art. All while pissing off half of the community.

Still Life:
I personally don't want to see Tali's face revealed. I think there's something said about leaving it to the imagination, and players have really taken on the character and have no doubt personalised and idealised her. You also can't please everyone :)

Besides, to my Shep, Tali is like a little sister.

Exactly this. First of all, the mystery should be kept...there is no way they can reveal her face without disappointing the majority, it's better to just not try.

And although it's a little off topic, I also see Tali as a little sister character more than some romantic icon. Then again, I went FemShep, but the point stands.

Personally I would like them to reveal it.
I also think it would be better if she turned out to be beautiful; the most beautiful of the whole series in fact. It would make the fact that she cannot show her face even more tragic.

Though I have doubts whether bioware would actually be skilled enough to pull something like that off.

I'd prefer keeping the mystery intact myself, but this really is gonna end up being a lose/lose situation for Bioware. Unless they pull something really epic out of the bag that is...

And is invalidating several years worth of Tali fanart really worth it Bioware? XD

Honeslty I choose Tali in the first Mass Effect, not an available choice I know, but it was definately the closest gaming ever got to actually having a desirable (not sexually) character, one who was "human" enough to actually feel for. So when the second game allowed me too, it was great, the flustered nervousness of it all was great because it almost recaptured that first time feeling due to it being so unique. As for the rest of the charaters the only other believable female character in the first game with the Doc. The second game really fleshed out the females (the secrarary was too one-dimensional) but everyone was unique.

As for Bioware, leave it a mystery, the best women always keep the air of mystery about them, reveal the species, but not Tali. If you do reveal her, do it in the begining so that we can move on and prove that the appeal was not just in the mystery.

LawlessSquirrel:

Still Life:
I personally don't want to see Tali's face revealed. I think there's something said about leaving it to the imagination, and players have really taken on the character and have no doubt personalised and idealised her. You also can't please everyone :)

Besides, to my Shep, Tali is like a little sister.

Exactly this. First of all, the mystery should be kept...there is no way they can reveal her face without disappointing the majority, it's better to just not try.

And although it's a little off topic, I also see Tali as a little sister character more than some romantic icon. Then again, I went FemShep, but the point stands.

I got my custom-built 'man Shep'. :)

I think we all know what Tali is actually going to look like.

In all seriousness though, I think no matter what they do, people are going to be disappointed. It's the same reason people would have been disappointed if Master Chief ever took off his helmet, the same reason anyone would have been disappointed if Gordon Freeman spoke, so on and so forth. When you take away a defining characteristic of a character, the reader/player/viewer automatically projects whatever they want onto it. It allows the individual to define it based on their tastes. As soon as you define that characteristic, people are inevitably going to be proven wrong. And personally, I don't mind that all that much. I do like the idea of a faceless character, because of the way it allows the player to customize their own interactions with the game, but I personally feel it slightly distracts from the creator's ability to make their story. Not much, mind you, and there are definitely good stories told with faceless/voiceless characters. It's just my personal tastes that make me like it when a character is fully defined, I suppose. Then again, I'm sure there's people like me who have come to view the mask itself as Tali's face. No matter what is under it, it'll feel wierd for me, because it's not her mask, and thus not the face I've come to associate with it.

Andy Chalk:

It's quite possible that Hudson is just dangling the long-awaited Tali reveal to make the fanboys dance.

I think we have a winner.

Personally, I will only be satisfied if the Tali Reveal scene is a frame by frame re-enactment of the Predator's unmasking sequence.

Either way BioWare, someone is gonna be pissed and there is going to be allot of Fanboy rage(me included XD )

dstreet121:
She's probably going to look like Kit Fisto I bet, the Quarians always struck me as an aquatic species for some reason.

WUUUT?!!!No way man, no way.This is totally going to clash with her cute personality.I bet she looks like sometype of reptilian.With big carnivorous teeth,mottled green skin and glowing red eyes.Scary but at the same time sexy.

Mystery intact here.

I would love to see her face, but keeping the mystery going is what makes her so interesting.

Hopefully my beautiful blue love companion will be coming back anyway, so I don't have to choose.

If not though...

It's going to be a sad day in ME3.

Let's see the face. With ME coming to a close, we won't see Tali again anyway, so we might as well get rid of 'the mystery'.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It reminds me of the dilemas they like to put near the end in their games.

Either way someone isnt gonna be happy and no matter what they do, there is gonna be alot of rage. I'd like to know cause i romanced her and since im taking on the role of sheperd in these games i should see what he sees.

But on the otherhand i really like her, so much so that i couldnt care less if she did look like a predetor.

tali's face = schroedinger's cat. everyone knows what they'd like her to look like, and those who don't have still gotten to know the mask. leave the mask on, some will be annoyed, but they'll get over it. but take the mask off, the waveform collapses, you are garenteed to please some, but piss off many others. and they'll never be able to unsee it if it makes them unhappy. this way, nobody can be dissapointed by her appearance, while the mask is on, her appearance is in a quantum state of both satisfactory and unsatisfactory.

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