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Archbishop Claims SCOTUS Decision Is "Poisoning" The Future

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The man who still cites the Columbine Massacre as evidence of videogames' effects on kids has publicly announced that he disapproves of the recent Supreme Court verdict.

A lot of people have been coming out of the woodwork lately, lambasting the Supreme Court for its recent ruling in favor of the videogame industry. This week, the Archbishop of Denver Charles J. Chaput has publicly slammed the decision with in a new opinion piece for First Things, titled "Violent Video Games and the Rights of Parents," claiming that the decision is "wrong" and will "poison" the country.

Admittedly, Chaput does acknowledge that he doesn't think all games are bad, but he does note his problem with the fact that the recent decision "extends and elevates the individual's right to free expression - or in this case, a corporation's right to make a healthy profit - at the expense of family sovereignty, the natural rights of parents and the intent of the Constitution's authors."

There's about fifty things wrong with that statement, so let's just move on. Aside from this, he also argues that allowing children access to violent videogames violates "natural law and natural rights," and seems to ignore all the industry safeguards in place to prevent minors from buying M-rated titles.

However, this piece isn't all that surprising to read, since Chaput has been an opponent of violent videogames since the 1999 Columbine shootings. He claims the massacre was "indirect but brutally real proof" of the effect games have on kids. On top of this, back when he addressed a special session of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation two weeks after the shootings took place, Chaput claimed that violence in games had a "direct impact on youth and is among the roots of real-life violence."

Seeing as how Chaput was a pretty adamant foe of games back then, it's not surprising that he still hates them. That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.

Source: Catholic News Agency via GamePolitics

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He's almost right, but still wrong.

Parents who don't control what their kids come in contact with are poisoning the future. Games are just the medium used.

He just doesn't want all of the choir boys playing Call of Duty instead of...well, you know what those priests are like.

vansau:

Seeing as how Chaput was a pretty adamant foe of games back then, it's not surprising that he still hates them. That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.

I see what you did there... very clever.

vansau:
I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have

That was completely unnecessary.

The Archbishop has no idea what he is talking about here, obviously, but I'm sure vansau is perfectly aware that he is strawmanning. Ignorance is excusable (though really annoying). Poor debate tactics are not.

I was going to make a smarmy remark about the Catholic church being yet again out of touch and flailing to maintain relevance in a modern world that is rapidly leaving them behind. But I have instead decided to be the better man and ignore the ridiculous remarks.

You hear me? A better man. My maturity and grace know no bounds.

Poop.

Seeing as how Chaput was a pretty adamant foe of games back then, it's not surprising that he still hates them. That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.

Damn, that's cold. I mean seriously, OW!

But on topic, it shouldn't be real surprising given this mans history that he opposes it.

I wonder what the Archbishop would say if the Supreme Court started criticizing his decisions.

Render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's.

Columbine was a result of severe depression. Not video games, or Marilyn Manson or whatever fucking thing you guys keep pulling out of your asses to campaign against what kids these days like.

Read a book.

Oh, and they actually did blame Marilyn Manson for it at one point.

The News Room: Archbishop is "Poisoning" the future with fanatical religion and ignorance

Still waiting to go on a murderous rampage... I guess all this gaming isn't doing the trick.

You know, the ratio of pedophiles in the church is the same as in any other profession, such as teachers.

Ouch. Don't mind me. I just slammed my head against my desk about 100 times.

How can a person be so willfully ignorant? And sorry, but I refuse to state that it's because he's Catholic or reads a 2000 year old storybook. There's no excuse to pretend to be knowledgeable about something and ignore every fact and scrap of evidence out there.

For crying out loud, this law did NOT support parental rights! It took them away and gave the State powers that it did not need and couldn't really exercise! It was a bad law no matter how you looked at it.

shameduser:
You know, the ratio of pedophiles in the church is the same as in any other profession, such as teachers.

I am pretty sure they're being facetious to prove a point.

Violent video games and rights of parents...

...Here's how that should work: Some video games are violent. Many kids want to get their grimy little hands on them. It is the right of the parent to say "No, you have to pick a different game, you're too young for that one"

As disappointed as that line made me as a kid, it didn't harm me one fucking bit to play Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and Mario as a kid instead of Resident Evil, Mortal Kombat, and the earlier iterations of Grand Theft Auto. And it didn't take my parents two seconds to say no, because I knew that if I complained and begged they'd drag my ass out of there kicking and screaming and I would go home, minus any new video games and plus a sore attitude for the rest of the day.

That is parenting, NOT some damn government making it as illegal to buy kids M games as it is to buy them porn or beer.

vansau:

Seeing as how Chaput was a pretty adamant foe of games back then, it's not surprising that he still hates them. That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.

That was low man, I mean, even for the escapist that was low :P

Good to see the clergy is still in touch. I'm half expecting one of them to quote a fourteenth century text to back up their arguments.

vansau:
Archbishop Claims SCOTUS Decision Is "Poisoning" The Future

Seeing as how Chaput was a pretty adamant foe of games back then, it's not surprising that he still hates them. That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmlYGzEC8g
Anyway, the preist is kinda ignorant about games.

starwarsgeek:
That was completely unnecessary.

How's it a straw man argument? Catholic sex scandals are overall more prevalent than anything videogame related, and I'm pretty sure rape causes more independantly verifiable harm than exposure to fictional violence in a game.

I doubt he'll OPENLY admit that the religious officials cause harm, but the catholic church is rather openly uncooperative in prosecuting child molesting priests.

As "Jesus" said...

THE BIBLE:
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Chibz:

starwarsgeek:
That was completely unnecessary.

How's it a straw man argument? Catholic sex scandals are overall more prevalent than anything videogame related, and I'm pretty sure rape causes more independantly verifiable harm than exposure to fictional violence in a game.

I doubt he'll OPENLY admit that the religious officials cause harm, but the catholic church is rather openly uncooperative in prosecuting child molesting priests.

As "Jesus" said...

THE BIBLE:
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

It's a straw man because that has absolutely nothing to do with the story.

starwarsgeek:

vansau:
I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have

That was completely unnecessary.

Seconded. That was a low blow, and shouldn't have been included in the article. I don't agree with the Archbishop's case, but wow, way to sink to the lowest common denominator just for a crude laugh.

Right. The source of real-life violence. The real-life violence that has been steadily decreasing as gaming has been going up.

Otherwise I defend Mike in bringing up the child abuse scandals. Between that, the church's opinions on homosexuality, and their encouragement of Africans to not use condoms, I hold no respect for the Vatican.

starwarsgeek:
It's a straw man because that has absolutely nothing to do with the story.

That's... Not what a straw man argument is. If anything it would be an ad hominem, because it was a (slight) personal attack.

The point here is that if he REALLY and GENUINELY cares about the well-being of children, he should be calling for the religious organization, which he belong to, to clean up its act. Something more pressing & urgent than "Vidja games are evil! They corrupt chillins!"

hue

Wow, what a putz. Who wants to talk about all the harm the church has done to humanity over the centuries? Besides the stories of child sexual abuse in the church (which really hits home in my city), lets talk about all the stories I've heard from older family members about he priests and nuns who taught them and how they'd best them with rulers or anything else they could get their hands on. Like the time my grandmother I beleive, told me about how a friend of hers was strapped over the hand repeatedly because she was left-handed which according to the nuns was the Devil's hand.

Yeah, video games have done so much more harm to children. Get fucking real.

starwarsgeek:

vansau:
I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have

That was completely unnecessary.

The Archbishop has no idea what he is talking about here, obviously, but I'm sure vansau is perfectly aware that he is strawmanning. Ignorance is excusable (though really annoying). Poor debate tactics are not.

I am in 100% agreement here. That was poor journalism. I expect better from The Escapist, and frankly I feel that it reflects poorly on this fine publication when things like this are printed.

Stevepinto3:
Right. The source of real-life violence. The real-life violence that has been steadily decreasing as gaming has been going up.

Otherwise I defend Mike in bringing up the child abuse scandals. Between that, the church's opinions on homosexuality, and their encouragement of Africans to not use condoms, I hold no respect for the Vatican.

How does that have any bearing on this article?

they could have chosen a better looking preist. dude looks like a pedo from a mile away. I'd train my kids to run from people like that.

starwarsgeek:

vansau:
I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have

That was completely unnecessary.

The Archbishop has no idea what he is talking about here, obviously, but I'm sure vansau is perfectly aware that he is strawmanning. Ignorance is excusable (though really annoying). Poor debate tactics are not.

Though low-balling, I wouldn't call this a strawman. Catholic priests have very arguably done far more irreversible damage than video games have ever done, or really, could ever do, and thus, Catholicism, which the priest is a part of (if Archbishops are Catholic), should be far higher than violent video games on this priest's hit list.

It's ALMOST to the point of strawmanning, but really does address a valid point, even if it doesn't excuse video games itself, only pointing out a far larger problem within the bishop's own leadership. The argument isn't completely about video games not being evil, as the argument is also about how big of an idiot this bishop is, and possibly how big of a hypocrite he is.

vansau:

Seeing as how Chaput was a pretty adamant foe of games back then, it's not surprising that he still hates them. That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.

This is just shameless and completely irrelevant to the article, it's like if I said to you "video games might cause violence, but at least they don't invade Middle Eastern countries like you damn Americans." I know Catholic priests absolutely disgusted by the church's record of sex crimes, they've said so off the record because of papal infallibility. I mean, I'm not even a fan of organized religion and I thought this was a low blow. Unless there's an actual sex crime case in his diocese that you're aware of I strongly suggest you consider removing that quote, as it is as shamelessly biased as his own thoughts on video games.

I have no problem with this guy stating his opinion on the issue, opposing views in society are not necessarily a bad thing.

Chibz:

starwarsgeek:
It's a straw man because that has absolutely nothing to do with the story.

That's... Not what a straw man argument is. If anything it would be an ad hominem, because it was a (slight) personal attack.

The point here is that if he REALLY and GENUINELY cares about the well-being of children, he should be calling for the religious organization, which he belong to, to clean up its act. Something more pressing & urgent than "Vidja games are evil! They corrupt chillins!"

Once again, papal infallibility was put in place in the 19th century. Unless these priests wish to be kicked out of the church they have to go along with what the Pope says. I'm not saying its a good system, what I'm saying is its damn hard for priests (most of whom have been working for the church since their teens) to quit their entire profession with no other skills. That's what the priest from my youth did, took him years to get back on his feet.

While people may be saying how that little bit was in poor taste, and while I can understand why, here's the thing.
He wants to assault an entire group based upon a few chance encounters that would of happened with or without the existence of videogames. Simply put, its like giving someone a taste of their own medicine, reciprocating his action with a similar over-generalized accusation.

But that's another argument all together. This is a real piece of gold though, "indirect but brutally real proof". Even he can't outright say games did it, he has to say they might of been a part of it. Hence, correlation, not causation. That was probably the smartest thing this guy has ever said, even if it was purely by accident.

vansau:
Archbishop Claims SCOTUS Decision Is "Poisoning" The Future

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The man who still cites the Columbine Massacre as evidence of videogames' effects on kids has publicly announced that he disapproves of the recent Supreme Court verdict.

A lot of people have been coming out of the woodwork lately, lambasting the Supreme Court for its recent ruling in favor of the videogame industry. This week, the Archbishop of Denver Charles J. Chaput has publicly slammed the decision with in a new opinion piece for First Things, titled "Violent Video Games and the Rights of Parents," claiming that the decision is "wrong" and will "poison" the country.

Admittedly, Chaput does acknowledge that he doesn't think all games are bad, but he does note his problem with the fact that the recent decision "extends and elevates the individual's right to free expression - or in this case, a corporation's right to make a healthy profit - at the expense of family sovereignty, the natural rights of parents and the intent of the Constitution's authors."

There's about fifty things wrong with that statement, so let's just move on. Aside from this, he also argues that allowing children access to violent videogames violates "natural law and natural rights," and seems to ignore all the industry safeguards in place to prevent minors from buying M-rated titles.

However, this piece isn't all that surprising to read, since Chaput has been an opponent of violent videogames since the 1999 Columbine shootings. He claims the massacre was "indirect but brutally real proof" of the effect games have on kids. On top of this, back when he addressed a special session of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation two weeks after the shootings took place, Chaput claimed that violence in games had a "direct impact on youth and is among the roots of real-life violence."

Seeing as how Chaput was a pretty adamant foe of games back then, it's not surprising that he still hates them. That said, I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have, though this wasn't something that the Archbishop addressed in his article.

Source: Catholic News Agency via GamePolitics

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Look, I get this guy is being somewhat ignorant of the subject matter. I get that because he is "anti-game", we don't like what he says. I get that the recent SCOTUS ruling has stirred up some slumbering advocates who we all enjoy to go "Weenerneenerneeeenerrrr!!" at.

But considering that The Escapist is undergoing some format changes in the near future, and part of that is being much more news-centric, you guys have got to stop inserting every little bit of your 2 cents into every matter. All it does is create a bias for the reader before he/she has ever come to their own conclusion. This is not a debate, you are a journalist giving us a news piece, and it is up to us to decide if this is worth arguing over.

This bias and veering towards one side is becoming very prevalent, considering that extremely low blow/strawman that was completely unnecessary and not related to the topic at all. I would rather not have The Escapist become the "Fox News" of gaming journalism, though I doubt it will ever go that far.

arsenicCatnip:

starwarsgeek:

vansau:
I'm willing to bet that Catholic priests have done more harm to the youth of the world than videogames have

That was completely unnecessary.

Seconded. That was a low blow, and shouldn't have been included in the article. I don't agree with the Archbishop's case, but wow, way to sink to the lowest common denominator just for a crude laugh.

Thirded. That was pretty much uncalled for. Postings like that are things I'd get in trouble for.

cursedseishi:
While people may be saying how that little bit was in poor taste, and while I can understand why, here's the thing.
He wants to assault an entire group based upon a few chance encounters that would of happened with or without the existence of videogames. Simply put, its like giving someone a taste of their own medicine, reciprocating his action with a similar over-generalized accusation.

And how is that moral or decent? Or is it just sinking to their immature level?

Chibz:

starwarsgeek:
It's a straw man because that has absolutely nothing to do with the story.

That's... Not what a straw man argument is. If anything it would be an ad hominem, because it was a (slight) personal attack.

The point here is that if he REALLY and GENUINELY cares about the well-being of children, he should be calling for the religious organization, which he belong to, to clean up its act. Something more pressing & urgent than "Vidja games are evil! They corrupt chillins!"

He implied that the sex scandal means his opinion is automatically defunct. That may not necessarily be a straw man, but it's certainly a logical fallacy of some sort and was in no way necessary. Pointing how the opposite decision from the SCOTUS would have limited parents' rights would have been a good argument, since the Archbishop is factually wrong here. Saying "Hey! Remember when those priests raped a bunch of kids?" isn't the least bit relevant. It's disrespectful to the majority of priests who do no such thing and have devoted their lives to an honorable profession, and it's even more disrespectful to the victims to turn what may be the biggest tragedy in their lives into a joke and a copy/paste "come-back". It's bad comedy and bad journalism. And, frankly, it's sickening.

And the Church has taken steps to prevent that from happening again. I'm a leader on Church youth retreats, and I have to take a class every few years to be authorized to go on these retreats. It's basic training on how to spot someone who's going out of line. Every adult, even the cooks who don't actually see the kids much, have to take these classes. It's mostly common sense, but it's enough to keep everyone's mind on it during potentially dangerous situations.

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