Sweden: Piracy Is Not A Religion

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RT-Medic-with-shotgun:
Do i need to believe in a god to join?

yes, the Holy Pirate Bay

Akalabeth:
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No it's not an awesome religion, and frankly it's an affront to people who actually believe in something worthwhile beyond self-serving criminal activity.

An affront to people who believe in something worthwhile... How so? What possible harm or insult does this make to other religions?

Why is it that any thread involving religion ("false" religion or not) always turns into a shitstorm of huge proportions?

OT: I'm indifferent. The only problem I have with this is how my tax money is going to waste over stupid shit like this.

Akalabeth:
Not knowing the swedish system, that's what I would assume they are doing assuming sweden has a freedom of religion cause.

Yes, we have.

RhombusHatesYou:

DustyDrB:
I wish we would stop calling file-sharers pirates. As a native of Charleston, SC, I say there is only one true kind of pirate. And it happens to be the kind that held my city for ransom.

The baseball team?

Nope. The Blackbeard kind.

Though the baseball team is run by crooks (they take revenue sharing money and don't even try to build a good team. Thanks to that, they are one of the most profitable teams in MLB despite not having a winning record in nearly 20 years).

Why yes, I do happen to be a massive baseball fan.

oh thank god...i thought they meant the high seas swash buckleing piracy.
thats still a legally recognized religion right?

Oh, my. Hey Sweeden, if you actually allow this, I'm making sure we send over a bunch of bible-thumping Texans. I'm warning you!

OT: File-share pirates can go die in a fire for all I care.

Woop, I'm Swedish, yet I've never seen anything about this before. You'd think our newspapers would be all over it considering the crap they produce.
Can't say I give a rat's ass about it though.

sigh... I'm assuming this is a troll by those founders. cause I can't imagine them seriously trying to form a real religion. I might not be the overly spiritual type, but even I see this is being asinine.

Captain Obvious...

...AWAY!!!

Well there obviously trolling, because my faith in humanity can't get much lower...
I'm not sure the world limbo king could get under it...

CM156:
Oh, my. Hey Sweeden, if you actually allow this, I'm making sure we send over a bunch of bible-thumping Texans. I'm warning you!

OT: File-share pirates can go die in a fire for all I care.

following sand to the dot on ideals i see?

(just a random recognition)

OT: i do find this a bit funny, using the base foundations of religion in a somewhat mocking way that religions haven't done in the past (besides the church of jedi and stuff)

Whats next they gona denounce the Jedi religion. What the matter with the world these days. Any crazy nut can make a religion you don't need recognition, it's tax exemption you want.

gmaverick019:

CM156:
Oh, my. Hey Sweeden, if you actually allow this, I'm making sure we send over a bunch of bible-thumping Texans. I'm warning you!

OT: File-share pirates can go die in a fire for all I care.

following Sand to the dot on ideals i see?

(just a random recognition)

OT: i do find this a bit funny, using the base foundations of religion in a somewhat mocking way that religions haven't done in the past (besides the church of jedi and stuff)

Very much so. The law exists for a reason: OBEY IT!

OT: This is such a joke. I mean, really, what do they hope to do with this?

At least they are not cutting parts of the body of their children, covering up their women, or claiming that using a condom is a sin.
You know; like the three biggest religions out there. Compared to them, these guys are harmless.

(Only focusing on the bad parts here, not saying religion is all bad. No troll)

This is gold.
This is Grade S awesome.
This is the most amazing display of a combination of stupidity and Greatness that I have ever seen in my life.
This group officially has my vote, even if they aren't in the election.
This group has won first prize in a race that they had only stood on the sidelines during.
This group is an official religion as far as I can see, and I'm hereby moving to Sweden to become an official in their government (whatever it may be) with the specific purpose of validating them.

Keep up the Awesome guys.

I just... what? Please tell me these people are trolling, if they're not I think the sheer force of the facepalm I'd have to do would violently explode my head.

Meh, all religions are a joke... Doesn't matter the cause. I am from sweden, I am pro "piracy" but making your cause a religion is as stupid today as it was 2000 and more years ago (Yes, I am pointing out all religions and cults because they are the same thing!) We don't need another religion screwing up our lives in our all ready screwed up world.

Ghengis John:

Jabberwock xeno:

What we have is essientaly the power to make somthing out of nothing. It takes 0 raw materials to make a digital book, movie, game, etc.

I'm afraid quite a bit of time and money goes into creating these things. A development team for a game or an author for a book have their own bills to pay. You yourself know this:

At the same time, I undertsand that people put their time and money into these things, and they lose their sales like this.

Stealing, is stealing amigo. If you make a digital copy of something that's one less copy sold. I can understand stealing food, or clothes, but entertainment?

Ironic Pirate:

Jabberwock xeno:

Danik93:
Well.... Piracy is Illegal and I assume the files they where copying were copyright protected. and a religion that is about something illegal should not be allowed. The same reason why practicing old norse rituals are illegal (atleast the ones with human sacrifice)

But should it be illegal?

See, theres the issue.

What we have is essientaly the power to make somthing out of nothing. It takes 0 raw materials to make a digital book, movie, game, etc.

You have a limitless supply of these products. Why not share them? What if we could do this with food or water? would you still call it theft then?

At the same time, I undertsand that people put their time and money into these things, and they lose their sales like this.

This is one of the few issues where I am truly divided in my opinion.

Except that it did cost materials to make it. Not the digital version, the actual version. If I wrote a song, I'm probably inclined to want to make money off of it. If I want to share it for free, then I will. If I want my hard work to be rewarded, then that's my decision. A bunch of people who have never created content in their life can make up all the justification they want for illegally downloading things that someone worked hard to create, but that doesn't make it right. If they want to download music and not pay for it, that's one thing. Moralizing and trying to make themselves look like the good guys is bullshit, though.

this isnt my name:

Jabberwock xeno:

Danik93:
Well.... Piracy is Illegal and I assume the files they where copying were copyright protected. and a religion that is about something illegal should not be allowed. The same reason why practicing old norse rituals are illegal (atleast the ones with human sacrifice)

But should it be illegal?

See, theres the issue.

What we have is essientaly the power to make somthing out of nothing. It takes 0 raw materials to make a digital book, movie, game, etc.

You have a limitless supply of these products. Why not share them? What if we could do this with food or water? would you still call it theft then?

At the same time, I undertsand that people put their time and money into these things, and they lose their sales like this.

This is one of the few issues where I am truly divided in my opinion.

How can you be divided ?
Games are aluxery. Developers make them in return for moneybecuase they are people too, they need it to survive, for families, etc.

You may say your not taking aything, but you are with holding money. t would be like paying a mechanic to fix your car, but not paying him, or havine a carpenter make something for you if you buy the wood.

As I said, I understand that people put their time, effort, and money into making them.

IDW, I guess, I see both sides of the argument, and they both have damn good points. I wouldn't illegally download stuff unless the maker said it was okay with them, so I guess i'm leaning on the side that's wrong. Actually, I know it's wrong, but I wonder if it should be.

Think, if 150 years ago you told someone we would be able infinatly copy certain items at no cost, do you think that they would expect us to still pay for them?

In a ideal world (how a world with a monetary system can be ideal is beyond me, but), you wouldn't pay for games, books, movies, or anything digital. Instead, people would voluntary donate money to the creators they like.

Yep. The Swedish Government should also legalize cults which wish to perform ritual human sacrifice. Just because a criminal act is "part of your religion" doesn't make it not criminal.

Akalabeth:
Circumventing the law with hollow loop holes is not acceptable.

Hahahahaha.

Pretty much every religion does this. Especially the larger ones like Christianity. Fear, money and being above the law are why they are still in power today.

Jabberwock xeno:

Danik93:
Well.... Piracy is Illegal and I assume the files they where copying were copyright protected. and a religion that is about something illegal should not be allowed. The same reason why practicing old norse rituals are illegal (atleast the ones with human sacrifice)

But should it be illegal?

See, theres the issue.

What we have is essientaly the power to make somthing out of nothing. It takes 0 raw materials to make a digital book, movie, game, etc.

You have a limitless supply of these products. Why not share them? What if we could do this with food or water? would you still call it theft then?

At the same time, I undertsand that people put their time and money into these things, and they lose their sales like this.

This is one of the few issues where I am truly divided in my opinion.

This "religion" is clearly an attempt to game the system.

"I can download that new movie all I want, and telling me I cant is religious discrimination!" Is what you will hear basicly all the time from people that follow that belief.

Simple fact is, most people that creat books, television shows, movies, art wouldnt bother if they wouldnt get somthing of a fiancial return on their efforts. If a movie studio knew they woulnt have made 3 times the cost it took to make the Lord of the Rings films...then they wouldnt have bothered.

If EA knew they wouldnt have made money on Mass Effect, they wouldnt have bothered.

Protecting Intelectual Property means that new IPs will be created in the future, and not protecting it means buisness modles devoted to producing entertainment close shop and the people involved find a new way to make a living.

Finally, someone using religion in a way that I can see directly benefiting me! What a great idea.

How is that an example of religious intolerance? Or is it part of every Escapist contributors job to poke fun at religions now?

Seriosuly, I'm not religious, but this has moved beyond dull, and is getting to the point of irritation now. I understand that there are some kids on here just discovering atheism, but is it necessary to ostracise the community that do believe in something?

As for the article, these guys are stupid, making a religion for some greedy, thinly veiled idiocy doesn't happen in these countries. Hence why Scientology isn't considered religion.

They're more like guidelines, really.

Owlslayer:
That's quite ... something, indeed. I wonder if they would have been successful in any country.
But yeah, i doubt this is a serious religion. If it was, then... that really would be weird.

All religions are weird.

FalloutJack:
They're more like guidelines, really.

You're awesome. I love the reference.

Putting the cart before the horse... You can't get religious sanction for an activity currently illegal. Get it legalized first, then make the asinine attempt.

lunncal:

Akalabeth:
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No it's not an awesome religion, and frankly it's an affront to people who actually believe in something worthwhile beyond self-serving criminal activity.

An affront to people who believe in something worthwhile... How so? What possible harm or insult does this make to other religions?

Most religions from my experience are based upon the idea of mutual understand and respect, "loving your neighbour as you love yourself" sort of thing. Regardless of how misconstrued those messages become by people who seek to serve themselves, that's the basic message of many if not all major religions, if you read the text.

The message of this religion is "stealing is justifiable".
Furthermore I suspect that the whole religious aspect is nothing more than a cover for criminal activity and it's no different than someone trying to create a pedophile religion, or a murder religion, or graffiti religion, or whatever.

That is, it's a hollow legal-loophole sham. And nothing more.

DustyDrB:
I wish we would stop calling file-sharers pirates. As a native of Charleston, SC, I say there is only one true kind of pirate. And it happens to be the kind that held my city for ransom.

Exactly my thoughts. Real pirates actually go out and risk life and limb to steal physical cargo. These "digital pirates" are nothing more than thugs sitting at a computer screen.

I suggest that instead, we start calling them either "Digital Bootleggers" or "TechnoCommies".

So, it's like a church of pickpockets. Who wonder why they are jailed for, well, picking pockets.

Bah, pathetic.

Of course it's here in Sweden...
Our law system is mostly crap. Good example being that self-defense is close to illiegal. And you might get punished if you fight back and the attacker gets hurt (yes... seriously).

I hope they won't get the right, regardless of religion freedom.
Problems are: if you ban one, you might need to ban others.
If you allow it, the next day, someone will make a religion about raping women, and claiming it's in their "holy book".

I really hope this is a wakeup call for the swedish legal system, and that they will fix it and make it much clearer for us laymen.

Jabberwock xeno:

Danik93:
Well.... Piracy is Illegal and I assume the files they where copying were copyright protected. and a religion that is about something illegal should not be allowed. The same reason why practicing old norse rituals are illegal (atleast the ones with human sacrifice)

[b]But should it be illegal?[b]

See, theres the issue.

What we have is essientaly the power to make somthing out of nothing. It takes 0 raw materials to make a digital book, movie, game, etc.

You have a limitless supply of these products. Why not share them? What if we could do this with food or water? would you still call it theft then?

At the same time, I undertsand that people put their time and money into these things, and they lose their sales like this.

This is one of the few issues where I am truly divided in my opinion.

That entirely depends on what the creater thinks. I think that if an author has, through his/her love or writing, written a novel, and decided to share it online, there is nothing wrong with that. Likewise with movies and songs. If they are released with the intention of being given for free to the public, there is nothing but a kind sentiment from the industry to its consumers. However, intellectual property is not debatable. Spending years writing a book, or producing a film, only to have others take copies from you without permission is inexcusable in my opinion. If you put money/time into something that you want to see a return from, I don't think it would be justifiable taking it, when they are asking for something. Just like how a farmer slaves away in a field, authors can spend years dragging pens across paper. And being metaphorically spat on the face by the public is not a debatable evil, (at least, not how I envisage it.) Of course, in the perfect world media like films, books & tv would all be free for the public to download and share. But you should always respect the intellectual property's owner's wishes as well!

Wow...I mean...just...

*bursts out in uncontrollable laughter*

This is truly an awesome piece. I mean...the hidden agenda behind Piracy becoming a religion...the absurdity of Sweden actually having to go through their bureocracy, simply because a claim for religion has been made...

This is grade-A trolling. And if it'd succeed...I am pretty damn sure it'd actually even achieve something. And I'm not sure if that 'something' would be the most ludicrously anarchistic thing ever...or just something that would laugh in the face of every law about intellectual property that has ever existed.

For good or for ill...though if it'd be put within the confines of religion...I'm betting it'd be just ill.

Danik93:
Well.... Piracy is Illegal and I assume the files they where copying were copyright protected. and a religion that is about something illegal should not be allowed. The same reason why practicing old norse rituals are illegal (atleast the ones with human sacrifice)

Because flame war will happen anyway:

So a religion based around agressive expansion, the consumption of a sacrificed man's flesh and blood, that states everything else is immoral and should be killed is fine? But these guys (pretty harmless-sounding) are hellah bad.

If you dissaprove of the distribution of information you dissaprove of scientific progress and the evolution of the human race, both past and future!

Well, what is religion then? I mean, they're all based on fucking books, how does that make them qualify as religion? Kopisism could just aswell be a new generation of religion with the pages being digital instead, no?

But nooooo. Religion is fucking stupid, amiright Tom Cruise?
Oh... oh... ooohh..... Scientology... tax exempt.... killing ex-believers.... mumble mumble
and your new captcha is fucking terrible, what are all these things its accessing?

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