Skyrim Will Use Steamworks

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The_ModeRazor:
Das good.
But. Eine kleiner problemist zat peoplez vill inevitably bitch und moanlike ze littl bitchz zey arr.

And buying it on a console... dear unholy god, WHATTHE FUCK IS WRONG WITH DAS PERSON. It's a Bethesda game. Moddability is half the point. Consoles have none of that.

Speak for yourself.

Great another non valve, single player game, brough on CD, that I have to install steam for. Just when I got rid of it, due to finishing other steamworks games. This sucks.

People happy about this only have themselves to blame that EA and other company are copying this behaviour. So thanks a lot steamworks DRM lovers.

The more I hear about this game the less appealing it is. A console port that requires me to run a client to connect to the internet first, yay.

Sooooo..... Any bone to throw at us console plebs? Anything, Bethesda? *whimpers and starts bawling*

The_ModeRazor:
Das good.
But. Eine kleiner problemist zat peoplez vill inevitably bitch und moanlike ze littl bitchz zey arr.

And buying it on a console... dear unholy god, WHATTHE FUCK IS WRONG WITH DAS PERSON. It's a Bethesda game. Moddability is half the point. Consoles have none of that.

Actually the PS3 and 360 will be compatible with mods, you just load them up from your computer via USB stick, and shove that into your console. I think this may be the first time I've ever seen this, but I could be wrong. Either way, this makes me very happy, as there's only my PS3 in the house that will run it, and I love a good mod.

Best news I've heard all day. If this game wasn't already a must buy, it certainly is now. And...correct me if I'm wrong...but by using Steamworks, does this mean that Skyrim will be unavailable on Origin? Icing on the cake! Tee hee.

pspman45:

Bethesda just keeps making good decisions!

If they're full of good decisions,then maybe they can buckle down and face Notch like a man would...in Quake 3: Arena.

buy teh haloz:
Sooooo..... Any bone to throw at us console plebs? Anything, Bethesda? *whimpers and starts bawling*

?

I'm sure if you ask Bethesda will confirm that Steam isn't needed for the XBox 360 or PS3 versions. ;)

Grandpappyduplenty:

The_ModeRazor:
Das good.
But. Eine kleiner problemist zat peoplez vill inevitably bitch und moanlike ze littl bitchz zey arr.

And buying it on a console... dear unholy god, WHATTHE FUCK IS WRONG WITH DAS PERSON. It's a Bethesda game. Moddability is half the point. Consoles have none of that.

Actually the PS3 and 360 will be compatible with mods, you just load them up from your computer via USB stick, and shove that into your console. I think this may be the first time I've ever seen this, but I could be wrong. Either way, this makes me very happy, as there's only my PS3 in the house that will run it, and I love a good mod.

...seriously? Wow, that's actually a pretty fucking great approach from Bethesda :D
(assuming it is indeed true) Glad to see they are so supportive of the modding community. (if it is true) (which it might sadly not be, but we'll see)

Uber Waddles:
Well, thats great. There are plenty of games my computer can handle decently. None of them include Steam Works.

While a lot of people have high-end computers, I like to game on my laptop, which wasn't designed for for the sole purpose of gaming. It has its ups and its downs, but I was really looking forward to running Skyrim on it.

Assuming it was like your average, run of the mill release, I'd be able to run it on medium graphics settings. Unfortunately, the "minimum" specs almost NEVER include what it takes to run Steam Works. And while many can simply shrug off the effects of Steam Works, my computer can't. I can run games without it perfectly, and cannot run games with it at all (seriously. Its pathetic when you can new releases, but can't even boot up Left 4 Dead without it chugging to 4 frames per second).

Looks like Im either going to have to skip this game, or buy it and wait for a cracked version, without Steam Works, to hit the internet (sadly, I had to do this with the original Portal). Which is a fucking shame.

Seriously. DRM, way to ruin another game. I do not condone piracy- but its getting to the point where I can't run games that I bought with my hard earned money unless I find a copy thats been stripped of everything thats bogging the game down. I actually buy the games, just because I like to see the developers get money for their hard work. Ive even bought copys of games to offset the other friends in similar situations. But its getting to the point that Im just raging.

In this day and age, most DRM, INCLUDING STEAM WORKS, is cracked. Often within the first few days. This is NO WHERE near enough incentive to include it into your game. When its getting to the point where customers who dont have high end machines HAVE to turn to piracy just to strip everything thats bogging the game down out of the game, its telling you that you need a change in policy. Like I said, I have intergrity - I will pay for a game, even if I have to turn around and use a pirated copy to run it. I am one of the few. Just words tothink about.

I totally understand anyone not liking Steam for whatever reason or if they don't want to use it (even for no reason in particular), but your situation is far from normal. That doesn't mean it doesn't suck, but unless something's really screwed up on your computer or you've discovered a really strange bug that only shows up under unusual circumstances, Steam itself uses almost zero CPU time and generally well under 100MB of RAM, even less if you don't use the browser and disable the in-game overlay and stuff like that.

If your computer and Internet connection are on the slow side, it can take it a minute for games to actually start up as it verifies/authenticates things and checks for updates, but that shouldn't affect anything once you're actually in the game, because it doesn't actually do anything after that point. If you're playing a single player game, you can skip all of that by running Steam in offline mode, which speeds that part up significantly.

And actually, as far as things that might have an affect while you're playing a game, have you tried disabling the in-game overlay? There's a setting in the Steam preferences to turn all that stuff off globally for every game. It usually works fine for most people, but it's sometimes buggy with some games or has had conflicts with certain versions of video card drivers over the years or other programs that use their own overlays like X-Fire. I had to turn it off on my laptop, just because my laptop's so slow to start out with, but I otherwise don't notice a difference between Steam and non-Steam games.

If you've already tried all those kinds of things and it still doesn't work, I guess you're the "lucky" winner of something really weird going on.

Thank goodness. [b]NOW LET ME FUCKING PRE-ORDER IT IN THE UK ON STEAM[/B]

I apologise for swearing. I'm just really angry that in the UK you cannot pre-order Skyrim over Steam. It's ok. I orded it off Amazon because I heard rumours that GAME are shit has threw a hissy fit over Bethesda selling games through Steam.

scw55:
Thank goodness. [b]NOW LET ME FUCKING PRE-ORDER IT IN THE UK ON STEAM[/B]

I apologise for swearing. I'm just really angry that in the UK you cannot pre-order Skyrim over Steam. It's ok. I orded it off Amazon because I heard rumours that GAME are shit has threw a hissy fit over Bethesda selling games through Steam.

Really? Works fine over here in Sweden so one would think it would work just as well over in UK.

Still so much better than GFWL like Fallout 3.

We knew it would have to have better DRM than Oblivion, which had pretty much nothing.

Also, if you get slowdowns from Steamworks, just disable the overlay, which takes a lot of the pressure off your PC.

I pre-orderd it on Steam, so I hoped that this was coming.

Alphakirby:

pspman45:

Bethesda just keeps making good decisions!

If they're full of good decisions,then maybe they can buckle down and face Notch like a man would...in Quake 3: Arena.

If they say yes, then I hope the whole thing will be live streamed!
that would be awesome

Well I was already going to get it for the ps3 so this doesnt effect my but I would be really annoyed if I had ever intended to buy this for a PC.

The_ModeRazor:

...seriously? Wow, that's actually a pretty fucking great approach from Bethesda :D
(assuming it is indeed true) Glad to see they are so supportive of the modding community. (if it is true) (which it might sadly not be, but we'll see)

All I have heard is that they said thats what they wanted to do. It doesnt seem like it would be a very hard thing to set up.

Bathesda, this is almost enough to make me forgive your lawyers for being such copyright whores.

Uber Waddles:
Assuming it was like your average, run of the mill release, I'd be able to run it on medium graphics settings. Unfortunately, the "minimum" specs almost NEVER include what it takes to run Steam Works. And while many can simply shrug off the effects of Steam Works, my computer can't. I can run games without it perfectly, and cannot run games with it at all (seriously. Its pathetic when you can new releases, but can't even boot up Left 4 Dead without it chugging to 4 frames per second).

Really?

When Steam is idle, it takes up, like, 20 megs of RAM.
When I'm running a game, without the Steam community overlay enabled, it takes up the same.

20 megs.

I've never had an issue with speed and Steam, and I'm running a Pentium 4, single core for Pete's sake!
Even my netbook doesn't suffer with Steam. And it's a netbook.

I'd try turning off the Steam Community overlay. That can make a bit of a difference.

More on Topic: If I had a gaming rig to play this, this would be awesome news.
I don't, however (As I mention: Pentium 4), so I'll be snagging this on my 360.
But still: I do love me some Steam.

Sweet. If we absolutely have to have DRM, Steamworks is a suitable example that doesn't fuck us over.

Lotet:

Signa:
bah, this might seem cool, but compared to both Morrowind and Oblivion, this is a huge step backwards. Both those games let me use CD-less options instead of installing securom or some other shit. By making it Steam only, they are screwing over a lot of people who don't want to have anything to do with Steam.

Personally, I'm OK with it because I like having Steam track my progress and launch my games, but I know there are going to be people out there pissed by this.

like myself.

to me, this is just another reason to get it on a Console. but I'm still not sure.

Oblivion and Morrowind didn't even need CD keys.

Why does a program bother you so much?

Have a hunch this is mainly done for DLC purposes. People seem to have less trouble with DLC being offered on Steam (with the occasional discounts on top of that). Guess the Fallout 3 and NV sales in the past few months seemed effective enough. Phew.

Yay now I can know exactly how many hours of my life I have wasted in this game! I can't even imagine how many I've pumped into Oblivion O_O

Signa:
Personally, I'm OK with it because I like having Steam track my progress and launch my games, but I know there are going to be people out there pissed by this.

You're always, ALWAYS, going to have people pissed at something about any game. Usually, depending if the game is actually good, these people make up a small percentage of the market and most end up buying the game anyways. Just remember, haters gonna hate, bitches gonna bitch.

I am not a Steam user, so if anyone can explain to me what this steamworks is all about? For what I can asume by reading the comments, is some kind of DRM. So how is this any different from Origin (the reason I will not buy BF3 on PC)? If it is the same thing then is a shame. because I was planning on getting this on PC, because I lost my faith on good Bethesda ports for consoles. Looks like I will simply wont buy it. Its a single player game, the launch date is close to summer vacations in my country, I want to be able to play a game anywhere if the places I go don't have an acceptable connection or a connection at all.

That is a massive load off. I heard this would use GFWL, which would have killed any desire I had for it.

Signa:
bah, this might seem cool, but compared to both Morrowind and Oblivion, this is a huge step backwards. Both those games let me use CD-less options instead of installing securom or some other shit. By making it Steam only, they are screwing over a lot of people who don't want to have anything to do with Steam.

Personally, I'm OK with it because I like having Steam track my progress and launch my games, but I know there are going to be people out there pissed by this.

Note: My post has nothing to do with piracy. I just liked being able to rip my games to an .iso format and use a drive emulation program to keep things simple. Oblivion was one of the last games that let me do that without having to go online for a CD hack. One more reason why I've become such a Steam convert is because I don't need to deal with the disks at all.

Really? Oblivion lets you do that?

Was that in a patch or something?

Balobo:

Why does a program bother you so much?

I'd assume it's because Steam is a completely unnecessary extra program, that does nothing useful and uses up resources. I know it has all these neat functions like chat and no disc required in the drive to play, but what if you don't want to use them? Then it does absolutely shit.

I'll take a "cd-key + disc in the drive" type copy protection over Steam any day.

Arontala:
So you still have to install Steam to play, even if you don't want/like it?

That's still kind of silly.

This, i'm an avid steam user but forcing people to use a service is a dick move.

pelao_larc:
I am not a Steam user, so if anyone can explain to me what this steamworks is all about? For what I can asume by reading the comments, is some kind of DRM. So how is this any different from Origin (the reason I will not buy BF3 on PC)? If it is the same thing then is a shame. because I was planning on getting this on PC, because I lost my faith on good Bethesda ports for consoles. Looks like I will simply wont buy it. Its a single player game, the launch date is close to summer vacations in my country, I want to be able to play a game anywhere if the places I go don't have an acceptable connection or a connection at all.

It is DRM but of the most unobtrusive kind. That it is also bundled with a storefront, achievements, integrated voice and text chat (available in games and to people on your friends list not in the same game as you) and the ability to see what games your friends are playing and, if allowed by the game (i.e all Valve multiplayer games) instantly join the server they are on if it has space.

As for being able to travel with Steam, it requires a one time validation of the install then you can switch to offline mode and not have to be connected to the internet to play, so you don't have to worry about that. Also once you've added a game to your steam account, even if it was originally a disc copy, you can download it anywhere using that account. Any additional DRM is purely decided on the whims of the publisher/developer and thus have nothing to do with steam.

ph0b0s123:
Great another non valve, single player game, brough on CD, that I have to install steam for. Just when I got rid of it, due to finishing other steamworks games. This sucks.

People happy about this only have themselves to blame that EA and other company are copying this behaviour. So thanks a lot steamworks DRM lovers.

The more I hear about this game the less appealing it is. A console port that requires me to run a client to connect to the internet first, yay.

Why did you delete it? That just seems stupid seeing as New Vegas required steamworks. Also, steam doesnt need you to log onto the internet every time you log on. As long as you have logged on in the past month you can log on (only play sp games ofc) and play! Also, steamworks has MUCH more benefits than you might think, you can easily speak to your friends, their is instant updates, if this uses cloud you can have your save game on all of your pcs and much more.

(that sounded like an ad for steam, didn't it.)

[EDIT] Also, if this wasnt on steam then there wouldnt be the types of prices you can get for it in the sales.

Llil:

Balobo:

Why does a program bother you so much?

I'd assume it's because Steam is a completely unnecessary extra program, that does nothing useful and uses up resources. I know it has all these neat functions like chat and no disc required in the drive to play, but what if you don't want to use them? Then it does absolutely shit.

I'll take a "cd-key + disc in the drive" type copy protection over Steam any day.

What if you DONT have those features , then cd key+disc in the drive doas absolute shit. Have you even heard that it does much more than voice and text chat. It saves your game if you want to download it again, it doesn't require you to put in a key all you do is download then play, it keeps all of your games in one convenient place and it gives you instant updates. Why do you think that that is a valid argument, I could say that this fancy car has lots of horsepower, but I dont want to use that horsepower so it is the worst car in the world.

ToastiestZombie:

What if you DONT have them, then cd key+disc in the drive doas absolute shit. Have you even heard that it does much more than voice and text chat. It saves your game if you want to download it again, it doesn't require you to put in a key all you do is download then play, it keeps all of your games in one convenient place and it gives you instant updates. Why do you think that that is a valid argument, I could say that this fancy car has lots of horsepower, but I dont want to use that horsepower so it is the worst car in the world.

It's like saying "This car has a lot of horsepower, and even if you don't want to use it and would be fine just walking, we're going to force you to use the car anyway."

I wouldn't have as big of a problem with Steam if it was just for the registration. What pisses me off is that it has to be running whenever I want to play. That's bullshit.

Also, why wouldn't you have the disc and cd-key with you, if you bought a retail copy? Did you lose or break them? You need to take better care of your stuff.

EDIT: One more thing. All of those other features you mentioned, like automatic updates, are useless to me. In fact, I specifically want to update my games manually so I know what's happening on my PC.

Llil:

ToastiestZombie:

What if you DONT have them, then cd key+disc in the drive doas absolute shit. Have you even heard that it does much more than voice and text chat. It saves your game if you want to download it again, it doesn't require you to put in a key all you do is download then play, it keeps all of your games in one convenient place and it gives you instant updates. Why do you think that that is a valid argument, I could say that this fancy car has lots of horsepower, but I dont want to use that horsepower so it is the worst car in the world.

It's like saying "This car has a lot of horsepower, and even if you don't want to use it and would be fine just walking, we're going to force you to use the car anyway."

I wouldn't have as big of a problem with Steam if it was just for the registration. What pisses me off is that it has to be running whenever I want to play. That's bullshit.

Also, why wouldn't you have the disc and cd-key with you, if you bought a retail copy? Did you lose or break them? You need to take better care of your stuff.

First, you can actually turn off most of the things that might hinder your experience (and those only really do that in really low spec computers). You can turn off the in game overlay in the preferences menu. You can switch to offline mode, thus making all the online stuff that happens in the background go off.

Second, I didnt mean that if you lost your cd key+disc, I meant that those dont have any of those things so even if you want to use them you cant because skyrim is an sp game and if it wasnt on steamworks, bethesda wouldnt even bother putting those features in it because steamworks can do it!

Also, if your being really bitchy about it being open you can just create a desktop shortcut and not even have to open the program to play it!

As for the registration thing, nowadays you have to register for everything. All apple products require and itunes registration to be used (please dont say thats invalid COS ITZ APPLE AND IT SUXORS) and nobody minds that. With steam it only takes about 5 minutes to register, if you dont want to do that then there is no other reason than you being lazy. You have probably registered for about 10 sites, most of which offer less services than steam, so there is no reason not to just REGISTER for steam. If you do and you really dont like it, fine good for you at least you tried and didnt cry at the slightest form of drm.

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I don't even know what that means...

I'm not a clever man.

ToastiestZombie:

First, you can actually turn off most of the things that might hinder your experience (and those only really do that in really low spec computers). You can turn off the in game overlay in the preferences menu. You can switch to offline mode, thus making all the online stuff that happens in the background go off.

Second, I didnt mean that if you lost your cd key+disc, I meant that those dont have any of those things so even if you want to use them you cant because skyrim is an sp game and if it wasnt on steamworks, bethesda wouldnt even bother putting those features in it because steamworks can do it!

Also, if your being really bitchy about it being open you can just create a desktop shortcut and not even have to open the program to play it!

As for the registration thing, nowadays you have to register for everything. All apple products require and itunes registration to be used (please dont say thats invalid COS ITZ APPLE AND IT SUXORS) and nobody minds that. With steam it only takes about 5 minutes to register, if you dont want to do that then there is no other reason than you being lazy. You have probably registered for about 10 sites, most of which offer less services than steam, so there is no reason not to just REGISTER for steam. If you do and you really dont like it, fine good for you at least you tried and didnt cry at the slightest form of drm.

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I know I can turn a lot of the things off, but the program still needs to be running. It doesn't help if you create a shortcut, that shortcut will still launch Steam. Besides, after turning off all of Steams features, all it does is use up resources.

And what do you mean "don't have the disc or cd-key"? If you buy a retail copy, you will get a disc and a key. That's what a retail copy is. I don't expect digital copies to require a disc of course.

Also, I did say Steam would me more tolerable if it was just for the registration, but it's not. And I do mind that I have to register for everything.

The reason I bought Amnesia straight from Frictional Games' website, for example, was that I wouldn't have to use Steam. I have a Steam account for those few games that can't be played without, but forcing a retail copy to play with Steam is really fucking annoying. Just ask me to put the disc in the drive, I have it right here.

The Rockerfly:
EVERYTHING I HEAR ABOUT THIS GAME MAKES ME WANT IT EVEN MORE

GIVE IT TO ME, NOW!

/deep breaths

Sorry I've calmed down, would you please let me sell you my kidney for an early copy of Skyrim?

I'll outbid that! I'll give you both my legs and a kidney plus an eyeball!

OT: Wow. I want to marry all of those developing Skyrim right now.... It's gonna be fracking awesome!

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