A Terabyte of Piracy Ain't Art

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Look at that! Someone put video games in an art gallery AND managed to make gamers pissed off about it.

Color me impressed.

Rawne1980:
I smell hypocrisy in this post.

Escapist clearly doesn't like piracy and warns/close threads with anything remotely promoting HOWEVER a link in the OP goes directly to a page where you can access pirate software.

Technically that promotes piracy.

Tut at you Greg, tut indeed.

Greg Tito:

Palou included a list of all of the files the drive contains

Linking to pirate software. Bad Escapist post.

This was one of those posts that could bite you in the arse. Now when people get a warning for mentioning pirate software i'm going to link to this post and remind them their own posters advertise it themselves.

Yeah, I was thinking about that.

I'd bet that nothing comes of it though, which is utterly ridiculous.

Princess Rose:

Greg Tito:
Like I said, I usually don't have a strong opinion on what is art and what is not, but spending time stealing content - even if many of the games and other content might be out of print - and putting it on display just doesn't impress me. To say nothing of literally putting piracy on a pedestal, Palou was just lazy and went for the big catch-all collections instead of curating what ended up on the drive.

I mean, if he had hand-picked each piece of content to be meaningful or culturally important, at least that would have been something. But with a high speed internet connection, this "5 million dollars, 1 Terabyte" might have taken Palou an afternoon to download.

And that's just not art at all.

**sigh**

I find it really sad how many people have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to art.

This project is most certainly art, because it makes a comment about today's society. Art is not (just) about looking nice or creativity - it's about chronicling who we are as a people.

At the moment, according to this artist, we're a society that makes it possible to pirate 5 million dollars with comparatively little effort.

The artist isn't putting piracy up on a pedestal - he's CRITICIZING our society due to how easy piracy is. Why list the sources? Perhaps to get those sites shut down? Or perhaps to point out how many of these sites there are, and how no one is doing anything about it.

This piece is a powerful anti-piracy message. If you don't like it, fine, but don't say it isn't art when it very clearly is. People in glass houses arguing that video games are art shouldn't throw "this isn't art" stones when they don't even understand the piece.

well said... well said indeed

also
does that mean since the companies own part of this art piece that they can now be called artists themselves?

Rawne1980:
I smell hypocrisy in this post.

Escapist clearly doesn't like piracy and warns/close threads with anything remotely promoting HOWEVER a link in the OP goes directly to a page where you can access pirate software.

Technically that promotes piracy.

Tut at you Greg, tut indeed.

Greg Tito:

Palou included a list of all of the files the drive contains

Linking to pirate software. Bad Escapist post.

This was one of those posts that could bite you in the arse. Now when people get a warning for mentioning pirate software i'm going to link to this post and remind them their own posters advertise it themselves.

And yes, before anyone questions my logic a link that goes directly to pirate software IS advertising it. Remember folks, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

I refer you to The Escapist Official Moderation FAQ. Specifically this part:

GeorgW:

  • Is featured content exempt from the rules?
  • Yes. Featured content may break the rules if the creator wishes to do so, but remember that featured content is solicited material with intending to evoke discussion. The comment thread however is part of the forums and subject to moderation.

    questionnairebot:


    I Just can't keep up with all this insanity...Wait. I just realized something. My buddy has over a terabyte of porn...is that art?

    Between the original subject matter, and about half of these commenters, I'm agreeing with Farnsworth too...

    TheDarkestDerp:

    questionnairebot:


    I Just can't keep up with all this insanity...Wait. I just realized something. My buddy has over a terabyte of porn...is that art?

    Between the original subject matter, and about half of these commenters, I'm agreeing with Farnsworth too...

    I agree with Farnsworth on a daily basis when I go on the internet lol. Especially when things like this come up.

    Modern art
    One person: 'I could've done that'
    Another person: 'But you didn't.

    It's BS.

    Nothing is added or challenged: ontological fail.

    And Yukshee has a first class masters degree in fine art research & practice.

    Nope, that's certainly not art, even if the artist is trying to send a message about the availability of data. Tacking a message on to your lack of creativity or skill does not make what you do art.

    It's about the equivalent of breaking down a wooden door in order to send a message about the quality of its hinges.

    I don't get it. How can Pollocks bollocks be considered art, and not this? At least this is something, instead of some guy having a mental fit and spraying paint all over a fucking canvas. I hate modern art.

    questionnairebot:

    Vryyk:

    questionnairebot:
    Wait. I just realized something. My buddy has over a terabyte of porn...is that art?

    Yes. A thousand times yes.

    I guess you could say it is representing the struggle of the female in todays society. And spooge.....lots of spooge.

    Is there a button I can press to nominate this as the 'post of the year'?

    Considering there is a back and forth debate on not only if the piece is art, but also what the artist was trying to say, it seems to be tilting towards art as I understand it. I don't really like the idea behind it, but it does make a person think, if only they take a moment to contemplate it.

    GeorgW:

    I refer you to The Escapist Official Moderation FAQ. Specifically this part:

    GeorgW:

  • Is featured content exempt from the rules?
  • Yes. Featured content may break the rules if the creator wishes to do so, but remember that featured content is solicited material with intending to evoke discussion. The comment thread however is part of the forums and subject to moderation.

    Which would be fantastic if it was indeed just breaking the rules of the forum.

    However....

    It's a clear link to illegal pirate software.

    They can break the rules of their own forum until the cows come home (always found that an amusing saying) however this not only advertises piracy but send you right where to get it from.

    Considering people get a warning for saying "I downloaded a pirate game" yet this sends you right to a page where you can download it.

    I'd say that more than breaks the rules and enters a very delicate line balancing on the legal scale don't you agree?

    Or is it perfectly okay for them to link to pirate software?

    There are certain times when it's applicable for them to bend or break their own forum rules but when it verges on the illegal .. i.e a direct link to pirate software .. then it's a bit different.

    Greg Tito:
    snip

    For more, "Really? This is art?" fun, investigate John Cage's "4 minutes, 33 seconds."

    Princess Rose:
    This piece is a powerful anti-piracy message. If you don't like it, fine, but don't say it isn't art when it very clearly is. People in glass houses arguing that video games are art shouldn't throw "this isn't art" stones when they don't even understand the piece.

    One could also interpret this as a piracy-sympathetic message centered on the greed of the software companies. Perhaps the comment being made is, "Really? The crap on this one little machine is allegedly worth $5 million?" (Incidentally, I think that particular message would be full of crap. It just happens to be a valid interpretation.)

    And even if this is an anti-piracy message, this doesn't change the fact that this artist is contributing to the problem. That would be like protesting the death penalty for murderers by calling the folks that execute them "murders" and saying they should be put to death.

    What we can agree upon, though, is that what constitutes 'art' is very subjective and personal. I see little reason to turn our noses up at people who disagree about something's artistic value. They may know very well 'what they're talking about,' and they're judging by different criteria than you.

    Rawne1980:

    GeorgW:

    I refer you to The Escapist Official Moderation FAQ. Specifically this part:

    GeorgW:

  • Is featured content exempt from the rules?
  • Yes. Featured content may break the rules if the creator wishes to do so, but remember that featured content is solicited material with intending to evoke discussion. The comment thread however is part of the forums and subject to moderation.

    Which would be fantastic if it was indeed just breaking the rules of the forum.

    However....

    It's a clear link to illegal pirate software.

    They can break the rules of their own forum until the cows come home (always found that an amusing saying) however this not only advertises piracy but send you right where to get it from.

    Considering people get a warning for saying "I downloaded a pirate game" yet this sends you right to a page where you can download it.

    I'd say that more than breaks the rules and enters a very delicate line balancing on the legal scale don't you agree?

    Or is it perfectly okay for them to link to pirate software?

    There are certain times when it's applicable for them to bend or break their own forum rules but when it verges on the illegal .. i.e a direct link to pirate software .. then it's a bit different.

    Only problem is that it's not a piracy site, it's source material to the article, which itself links to piracy sites. To not include it would be poor journalism.

    It is a kind of neat idea I think, but I also must agree that it is lazy downloading big packages of stuff instead of handpicking it more carefully

    Reaper195:
    I don't get it. How can Pollocks bollocks be considered art, and not this? At least this is something, instead of some guy having a mental fit and spraying paint all over a fucking canvas. I hate modern art.

    I'm replying directly to you, but this applies to everyone claiming to 'not get' modern art. In order to understand modern art, you need to understand the context of why it came about.

    For hundreds of years, art was defined by realism. In an era without photography, a skilled painter was the only way to get a realistic picture of anyone down on paper. And so, the world of art was defined by painters and sculptors who tried to recreate reality as closely as possible.

    Then, all of a sudden, the camera was invented. And with it came photography, and the realisation among many artists that they were suddenly obsolete. It doesn't matter how realistically you can paint a person or a bowl of fruit, a camera will always be more true to reality.

    Therefore, a new wave of artists emerged who decided to try and make art that photography couldn't replicate. If cameras could perfectly recreate a subject from reality, then these artists were going to ignore reality. Hence, why we had a new focus on 'spraying paint all over a fucking canvas.' Modern artists were trying to claim new territory after having been ousted by cameras and modern technology. This meant trying new, radical things that hadn't been seen in art before.

    You don't have to like modern art. I don't like a lot of it myself. But it served and still serves a very real purpose. In an age where cameras and computers can create lifelike digital imagery, modern artists are doing the sort of stuff that photographers and computers simply cannot. And in the world of art, innovation and uniqueness is as important as anything else.

    GeorgW:

    Only problem is that it's not just any piracy site, it's source material to the article. To not include it would be poor journalism.

    But maybe they should have "edited" out the links that take you straight to Piratebay, no?

    I did say they were treading a fine line and this one looks to me like quietly promoting piracy.

    Now read into it what you will but when I see an Escapist poster linking directly to pirate software be it for a story or not then either way they can no longer take the moral high ground with regards to piracy mentioned on this site.

    The better option would have been for them to not run this post at all then all this would have been avoided.

    Princess Rose:
    *snip*

    For the most part, that was a well put-together post. Impressive analysis. However, not all of it rubs me the right way.

    Princess Rose:

    I find it really sad how many people have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to art.

    This statement genuinely angers me. I won't insult you for it, but I'll try to explain my anger.

    Art isn't science. There is no clear interpretation of it. There is no correct understanding of it. That's what makes it art.

    If he thinks there is no artistic merit to this piece, he isn't wrong. You're not wrong for thinking there is, either.

    KingsGambit:
    ...what is art if not a means of expressing an idea?

    Something that takes time, skill, and effort.

    id have more respect for the guy if it was a collection of all one type of media such as all porn or even all one fetish or all music or hell all expensive applications like autocad and photoshop

    Rawne1980:

    GeorgW:

    Only problem is that it's not just any piracy site, it's source material to the article. To not include it would be poor journalism.

    But maybe they should have "edited" out the links that take you straight to Piratebay, no?

    I did say they were treading a fine line and this one looks to me like quietly promoting piracy.

    Now read into it what you will but when I see an Escapist poster linking directly to pirate software be it for a story or not then either way they can no longer take the moral high ground with regards to piracy mentioned on this site.

    The better option would have been for them to not run this post at all then all this would have been avoided.

    While I agree with you that this maybe shouldn't have been posted as an article, as it more seems like an opinion piece, the fact remains that he's linking to a source material, which in turn links to piracy. If I quote Fox news as a source for an article that does not mean I agree with everything they've ever stated.

    Greg Tito:
    ...I usually fall back to saying, "If it's art to someone, then it's art to me,"...

    that is the worst phrase I think could be said when talking about art. I mean someone somewhere, out of the near 7 billion people on this planet, will always find something to be art. They might think the Big Mac is a work of art or that murdering people is an art form or they may look at smearings of feces on a wall to be a form of art. I don't like art when people are willing to accept anything and everything.

    To think that 5,000,000 USD could fit on something the size of an Xbox.

    Maybe if it wasnt pirated, it would have more of an impact. But i do think its very close to art.

    Greg Tito:

    Did you ever stop to think about maybe it is the intellectual process behind it that makes it art?
    Maybe he spent countless hours having an active intellectual thought process before he decided that this was going to be his next piece.

    A little black box, allegedly worth $5 million.
    That is called making a statement, and I happen to find it very thought provoking.

    And if I remember correctly, this is one of points of art in the first place.

    Now I don't really get why Van Gogh is considered to be a great artist, in fact I find his paintings to be bizarre and weird, but I don't go around bashing him and calling him lazy and his art worthless.

    I think this whole article is in bad taste to be honest.

    Someone get me a copy of that HDD please.

    Yeah, it's art.

    It's just hack art, that is a pile of shit.

    Remember kids: If the creator says it's art that means it's art.

    That, however, doesn't mean it's good or took skill or should be given an ounce of respect.

    Just because you don't want something to be art doesn't mean it isn't.

    GeorgW:

    While I agree with you that this maybe shouldn't have been posted as an article, as it more seems like an opinion piece, the fact remains that he's linking to a source material, which in turn links to piracy. If I quote Fox news as a source for an article that does not mean I agree with everything they've ever stated.

    Point taken, I may have got myself a little carried away.

    I just thought to myself, with how vehemently Escapist seems to act against piracy, it seemed a tad strange that there would be a link that took you to a page where you could get direct access to pirate software.

    I'll tone it down a bit.

    Ok, so the point he makes is that such a valuable, possibly culturally significant collection can fit in such a small box. I get that.

    But why make it a small box with pirated content? He could just as well have borrowed games and tv show collection boxes for the same cause.

    I like it.

    I figure it's about consumerism without limits? He's able to download all this stuff, most of it he won't even use, with little effort or loss of funds. Advertisers make him want this stuff, and now there's no cap on what he can take.

    Personally, I think he could have tried harder on the display. A terabyte hard drive doesn't really convey much, even knowing what's on it (Though all the alternatives I could come up with are really cheesey. Maybe the soullessness of the drive is aprt of the piece). However, I don't think it's a bad idea, and I reject the assertion that it cannot be considered art.

    You're also extremely stretching the definition of stealing here. He was clearly never intending to buy this stuff, it was pirated for art, not to be consumed, so you can hardly argue that he's brought about loss on the part of the company.

    Are you all oblivious morons, or something? Cave paintings, Christian stained glass, all of it is a sign of times and the cultures that take place within.

    This is a sign of our computer culture, and how theft still pervades and persists. It's genius, in my opinion.

    i don't know about art, but there's definately a few potential comments about our society in this display. the interpretation of which is debatable.

    I would be wiling to call this art. He intends to make social commentary with his work. Whether or not you agree with the message of the piece, Manuel Palou did create a item that creates discourse about a contemporary subject.

    THAT BEING SAID, I also think that Palou should bear the consequences for his art. He illegally downloaded the intellectual properties of various groups and companies. If he wants to make his artistic statement,; fine, all the power to him; but that doesn't mean he should be allowed to display it without consequence.

    If I set a car factory on fire to decry the effect of the auto industry's effect on the environment, guess what, I'm still going to jail for arson.

    If Manuel Palou wants to use stolen intellectual property as a means for social commentary, then he should still pay the consequences that such actions receive regardless of whether his work has artistic merits or not.

    Still not nearly as offensive as "modern" art.

    Rawne1980:

    GeorgW:

    While I agree with you that this maybe shouldn't have been posted as an article, as it more seems like an opinion piece, the fact remains that he's linking to a source material, which in turn links to piracy. If I quote Fox news as a source for an article that does not mean I agree with everything they've ever stated.

    Point taken, I may have got myself a little carried away.

    I just thought to myself, with how vehemently Escapist seems to act against piracy, it seemed a tad strange that there would be a link that took you to a page where you could get direct access to pirate software.

    I'll tone it down a bit.

    Fair enough. Thanks for a nice debate.

    Why wasn't he arrested?

    Because copyright law is a civil, not a criminal matter.

    Unless the companies sue him, he won't face consequences.

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