Insurers Blame Fatal Stage Collapse on Illegal Music Sharing

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This is uncommentable. I simply cannot come up with something stupid enough to match what has been said.

The_root_of_all_evil:
If you hadn't been born at all, then we wouldn't even be here, because there'd only be three of us, and three isn't enough to go on University Challenge. So it's your fault.

Cookie for reference.

How about blaming Marty McFly for inventing Rock and Roll? Because without that, there'd never be a festival.

GREAT SCOTT!

YOUNG ONES!!!!!!!

"do not lean out of the window, I wonder why?"

OT: I think the insurance company executives should be skewered with a specially sharpened marshmallow and the toasted.

Storm + Music Festival + Deaths and Injuries = The Result of Illegal Music Downloads

This doesn't seem to add up.

In all seriousness, R.I.P to those who died due to this incident, and fuck the insurance companies who blamed this tragedy on something completely unrelated.

Double Post. Sorry.

May this insurance company get sued out of existence.

I mean, does this mean UK tax laws were responsible for Altamont because the tax laws were such that British artists had to tour relentlessly to earn some money?

Ugh... no insurance company. You are wrong.

This is a case where 'logic' can be twisted both ways!

If it is true that piracy has become highly rampant, then why would more people be going to concerts if they already have their music on hand?(and face it, some bands are good on cd, but not so in person) It seems to follow that if people steal their music instead of buying it, then why would they waste money on gas and tickets to see them in person? As such, I put forth that because of piracy there were actually fewer people attending this concert then there would have been otherwise, thus potentially saving lives.

Either case is bull as there is no way to empirically prove either. Also, it's bad stage design and a sudden windstorm that caused the accident.

no, just.... no. there have been live concerts before CD's existed, like the Beatles? woodstock? even if you pirate a CD, you might buy a seat at the concert because you honestly like the band. should I try using this excuse if I get in a traffic accident? "oh, well if more people took public transit, I wouldn't have hit this car?" wait, no, that actually makes sense.... dunno then.

And I'm sure game piracy caused the storm too.

KnowYourOnion:

YOUNG ONES!!!!!!!

"do not lean out of the window, I wonder why?"

Have a clip of Griff Rhys Jones, House MD and Mr Stephen Fry.

That's nothing. Someone called me a policeman the other day.

In other news:

Titanic disaster not caused by Iceberg nor poor safety standards, but it was cased directly be America's economic success. If america was a poor country then no one would have sailed on ships there there they could have hit an iceberg on the way.

How could America do this?!? (/sarcasm)

Hmmm...Makes since if you don't think about it.
Pictured: Puckelpop's lawer.


Also: The fuck is a Puckelpop?

Andy Chalk:
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Hang on...that's not what it says at all. Nowhere does the article say "Insurers blame fatal stage collapse on illegal music sharing" They are saying that insurance experts say that concerts in general are larger these days because of file sharing [edit: oh hang on, no they aren't, they say it's because of falling record sales, filesharing isn't mentioned] and therefore if something goes wrong there will be more people in the firing line. Still probably bullshit but really, you are twisting things massively. Again. Booo! Down with your misleading titles! There's some ridiculous spin around here alright.

EDIT: In fact, reading through it again even the shitty, completely quoteless, non sourced original article only mentions falling record sales, nothing about illegal downloading.

I'm against pirating and all but, come on... that's just... wow..

Treblaine:
In other news:

Titanic disaster not caused by Iceberg nor poor safety standards, but it was cased directly be America's economic success. If america was a poor country then no one would have sailed on ships there there they could have hit an iceberg on the way.

How could America do this?!? (/sarcasm)

*Just to be a dick*
I think that white star (the line that owned the Titanic) is based in Britain, and therefore the Titanic disaster can be blamed and Britains success.
EDIT: Wait, you mean people wouldn't have sailed to America? I thought you meant that differently. My fault.

Wait, video games didnt get blamed for everything bad that happened ever!

Now its something probably even more stupid...

Cid SilverWing:
I'd type a wall of rage, but the unmitigated amount of Republican stupidity is just...

wait, wha? republicans? what have they got to do with anything? this happened in Belgium...

I'm suing Microsoft because when I was at Starbucks, I spilt my coffee on my Laptop.

Makes just the same amount of sense.

Why stop there?

Obviously, if the interwebs didn't exist, people couldn't massively pirate the music these artists produce. But the internets couldn't exist without electricity. Damn you, Benjamin Franklin, for causing the tragedy at Pukkelpop!

That aside, I haven't seen any Flemish newschannels pick up this little tidbit yet. If they do, that insurance company is aiming for a publicity shitstorm the likes of which you wouldn't believe.

the spud:

Treblaine:
In other news:

Titanic disaster not caused by Iceberg nor poor safety standards, but it was cased directly be America's economic success. If america was a poor country then no one would have sailed on ships there there they could have hit an iceberg on the way.

How could America do this?!? (/sarcasm)

*Just to be a dick*
I think that white star (the line that owned the Titanic) is based in Britain, and therefore the Titanic disaster can be blamed and Britains success.
EDIT: Wait, you mean people wouldn't have sailed to America? I thought you meant that differently. My fault.

The point was to blame any tangential influences OTHER THAN those who actually should have been responsible for preventing the disaster, or the force that caused the disaster.

The organisers should have taken precautions to ensure the life and safety of their customers, both of the Titanic (enough life boats at least) and the concert (a storm-durable stage or cancel the concert with storm weather)

Treblaine:

the spud:

Treblaine:
In other news:

Titanic disaster not caused by Iceberg nor poor safety standards, but it was cased directly be America's economic success. If america was a poor country then no one would have sailed on ships there there they could have hit an iceberg on the way.

How could America do this?!? (/sarcasm)

*Just to be a dick*
I think that white star (the line that owned the Titanic) is based in Britain, and therefore the Titanic disaster can be blamed and Britains success.
EDIT: Wait, you mean people wouldn't have sailed to America? I thought you meant that differently. My fault.

The point was to blame any tangential influences OTHER THAN those who actually should have been responsible for preventing the disaster, or the force that caused the disaster.

The organisers should have taken precautions to ensure the life and safety of their customers, both of the Titanic (enough life boats at least) and the concert (a storm-durable stage or cancel the concert with storm weather)

I understood the point you were trying to make (a good point, by the way) I just felt like raining on somedody else's parade by correcting a factual statement (although I ended up being the one being shot down).

Also: You probably already know this, but did you know that many of the Titanic's lifeboats went unfilled? So many people were lost in the confusion they never made it to the life boat.

the spud:
Hmmm...Makes since if you don't think about it.
Pictured: Puckelpop's lawer.


Also: The fuck is a Puckelpop?

I'm in pain from laughing too much at that picture

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NERG! I can't figure out this 'logic'.

That is the most bullshit excuse I've ever heard, this better not play out in their favor. It's their responsibility to safely open that stage up, they didn't accomplish that, it should be their fault.

To quote Yahtzee: "There is no middle finger big enough!"

As someone has already said, bands have always made most of their money from live shows, while CD sales pretty much only matter to record companies, so their argument is bullshit from the start.

Then consider that if it really was the case that gigs are more crowded now because of illegal downloads (somehow), then surely it is the responsibility of whoever is behind the show to make sure that the venue is built to withstand common natural disasters such as high winds. If you can make skyscrapers that can withstand massive earthquakes and hurricane force winds then you can sure as hell do the same with a stage.

These bastards are using the deaths and serious injuries of actual people to guilt trip us into giving them more money, and if that wasn't enough they have to insult our intelligence with what is possibly the most backwards argument in the history of time. Never, in all my life, have I hoped for someone to be trolling this badly.

It's an insurance company, they want your money, they don't want to have to give it back.

Yeah, how dare people want to see their favourite bands live. And how dare artists go on tour to actually make money since they don't get fuck all from CD sales anyway.
And of course if the crowd were smaller then obviously the 5 killed who were no doubt closest to the stage would not have been there.

...

-.-;

Guess we know what dumbass insurance company not to go through.

"Sorry Mr Edison but we won't pay for your cancer treatment. Turns out it was self inflicted since apparently you lived within 5 miles of a radio transmitter tower for a couple weeks. So its all your own fault. Have a nice day."

"You got robbed? Your fault for having nice things."

"Car accident? Well if you stocked up on more foodstuffs at once then you would not have had to go to the supermarket so often so you put yourself in that situation."

Wait...

WHAT?!

.....What?

I would type something witty and clever but my brain pulled a muscle trying to understand that logic. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you're gonna point the finger at anyone, it should be the rigging crew for probably doing a crap job at making sure the stage is safe enough for the bands, roadies, and fellow crew members to walk and use without the fear of it collapsing.

V_V

My faith in humanity went down once again.

Well I will point out that they weren't blaming piracy for the disaster, they were explaining how the circumstances that led to this disaster lined up.

i see, i guess insurers never had to take a logic class.

to make such wild extrapolations is exactly y Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon work XD

Cid SilverWing:
I'd type a wall of rage, but the unmitigated amount of Republican stupidity is just...

What, pray tell, does Republicans have to do with an of this? That comment makes as much sense as the article in regards to the title.

scumofsociety:

Andy Chalk:
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Hang on...that's not what it says at all. Nowhere does the article say "Insurers blame fatal stage collapse on illegal music sharing" They are saying that insurance experts say that concerts in general are larger these days because of file sharing [edit: oh hang on, no they aren't, they say it's because of falling record sales, filesharing isn't mentioned] and therefore if something goes wrong there will be more people in the firing line. Still probably bullshit but really, you are twisting things massively. Again. Booo! Down with your misleading titles! There's some ridiculous spin around here alright.

EDIT: In fact, reading through it again even the shitty, completely quoteless, non sourced original article only mentions falling record sales, nothing about illegal downloading.

Yeah i understood the same too, i guess some nuances were lost in translation *cough* yeah right *cough*

It says the stage crash might not have been caused just by the storm but because artists need to make bigger live shows, with bigger stages and more stuff on it, the consequences are much more dramatic when something goes wrong.

They don't say the stage crash was caused by piracy, not by any stretch of the imagination.I think it had more to do with the 170km/h winds and rain you know...

"La pluie et le vent ne les detruisent pas plus qu'avant, mais quand elle tombent ca fais beaucoup plus de degats"

Wind and rain don't destroy stages anymore than they used to but when they do fall it makes a lot more damage

Sensationalism much ?

Edit: the source "article" is also crap, it dosen't even report the numbers right. original article 5 dead, boingboing says 4...what they had trouble translating a number? gimme a break...

Edit2: and the picture of the original article actually comes from Le Figaro, a very right-leaning paper, would you be surprised if for example Fox News said some shit like that ? no huh?

I can understand that more people hearing about a band through pirated music would cause larger crowds, but really? Saying that if they'd just bought the CDs they'd have stayed home instead? If somebody has the time, money, and desire to see a live performance then having a couple of CDs won't make the least bit of difference.

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