Seattle "Superhero" Arrested For Pepper Spray Assault

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Seattle "Superhero" Arrested For Pepper Spray Assault

Like Batman, Phoenix Jones patrols the streets in a one-man war against crime. Unlike Batman, Jones is in jail for pepper-spraying a group of citizens.

According to Seattle police, Jones (nom de reality: Benjamin Fodor) pepper-sprayed a group of clubgoers in the early morning hours as they were walking to their car. Reportedly, two of the men involved chased Jones and in the ensuing fracas, police were summoned to the scene.

Fodor is scheduled to appear in court tomorrow, and if convicted faces "up to a year in jail and a $5,000 fine."

The most intriguing part of this case is that the events in question were captured on video by a (presumably) unaffiliated bystander. The clip (embedded above) shows Jones being alerted to a "huge fight," rushing down the street, and attempting to break it up. As far as I can tell, he only pulls the pepper spray after members of the group start attacking him.

I never went to law school, not have I recently studied the legalities surrounding masked vigilantes, but based on the video I can't see any actual assault on the part of Jones. Self-defense, maybe. Going out in public looking like a total nutbar, absolutely. But no actual assault.

Which, now that I think of it, might be part of the problem. People see a guy dressed up in molded rubber body armor, calling himself a "superhero," and they expect that he's going to solve problems with a solution straight out of the pages of DC Comics. If Phoenix Jones had waded into the middle of that fight and started dropping people with roundhouse kicks and phoenix-a-rangs (presumably this is what he calls his 'a-rangs) I think the general public would be far more likely to cheer him on.

Granted, at that point he's looking at far more serious criminal charges, but once you've reached a level where you're naming bladed throwing weapons after your faux persona, you just can't worry about what the cops think.

Source: Reuters

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Are you dense? Are you retarded or something? I'm the goddamn Phoenix"

Got to 2 minutes. Too embarrassing for all involved.

But hey, if I'm ever in need of a 6'2" human dildo, I know who to call.

The truth is I think the cops are getting a little sick of his shit and finally decided to take him down a couple of pegs. He's been running around downtown Seattle since 2010 putting himself in situations where he doesn't belong and potentially putting himself in danger of being seriously injured or killed if things got far enough out of hand. The police department have said many times before they'd prefer that he just call 911 and report what he sees instead if injecting himself into the situation and making it worse.

He's lucky he hasn't been been the target of police a lot more often as he dresses like a twat, carries a cattle prod and pepper spray and his two 'sidekicks' dress in street clothes and black ski masks.

The video that is embedded into the clip is from a local camera crew that was following him at the time and is not affiliated with any local news network so there's no telling how much was edited out of that video before it was released to the public.

Seattle cops are a fucking joke around here, and this one just had a vendetta against Jones. There is no excuse for this kind of abuse of legal power. He was the only one arrested in that fray by they way. Just watch 30 seconds of that video and you can see all the women on an assault rampage, yet they don't get any punishment.

So the police can pepper spray a group of innocent people at occupy wall street but a vigilante can't pepper spray some drunk people beating on him?
America y u no be consistent?

EDIT: Yes, i understand that different states have different attitudes, laws whatever.
My point was based upon the unfairness, the immorality of it which makes it unjust, and surely justice should be a pretty much universal standard. I'm frankly amazed at two things:
1. the number of times i was quoted
2. they all basically said "they are in different states, you did know that right?"
For the sake of the pedants
Justice y u no be consistent?

I always wondered when people would start trying to be real life superheroes, heh. It's a concept a lot of particularly idiotic people would surely have at least considered before.

Result!

EDIT: Well, assuming they haven't already. I've never heard of anyone doing it.

He's the hero Seattle deserves, not the one it needs right now. He's a loud guardian, a watchful moron, a dark idiot.

Well i guess, by the sequence of hate that our dear escapists are posting, no one likes the "Hero".

Honestly... he stopped the fight and the pepper spray was in order considering himself was attacked... Jail time and 5k fine is kinda harsh considering all things...

And yes he is kinda crazy and idiot to have hopes of being a hero, but you people forgot the most important thing... He hopes to be a hero, he doesn't care he gets injured or hurt, and honestly he does more then lots of big talkers say they would do. Hell... in where peopel say they would do this, he acctually does it.

Still Seattle crimes, appear more to be drunk people and deuchebaggery then anything else... so do not know what kind of crime there is in that place...

Not surprised at all. I like the guy and am sure he means well, but let's face it....

If he wasn't going to get charged for assault he would have wound up dead. If he really wanted to help his community he should have enlisted as a cop or something.

Costumed Superheroes have always been a failed premise, only form of vigilante I could see working in reality is some Dirty Harry wannabe.

Adam Jensen:
He's the hero Seattle deserves, not the one it needs right now. He's a loud guardian, a watchful moron, a dark idiot.

I love you. :3

You know...he's getting kind of famous.

The fact that he is specifically out looking for fights, and takes weapons into those fights with the intention of using them, suggests preempted assault, rather than self defence. The difference is crucial, because it distinguishes between what a crazy, irresponsible person would do and what an innocent bystander would do. Had he happened to be carrying self-defence tools with no special intention to use them, and he found himself beset by thugs - then he might have a good cause for "self-defence".

Adam Jensen:
He's the hero Seattle deserves, not the one it needs right now. He's a loud guardian, a watchful moron, a dark idiot.

Good man. This needs carving onto a bronz statue of this asshole.

I love message board lawyers.

What a badass costume. Although I don't think he has the right intelligence to be a hero. Bravery, maybe, but any decent vigilante would know to do your bit then get the fuck out of dodge.

That's why, when I get sick of society and decide to help clean it up myself, I'm going to carry smoke pellets and an ultra-bright torch.

baconsarnie:
So the police can pepper spray a group of innocent people at occupy wall street but a vigilante can't pepper spray some drunk people beating on him?
America y u no be consistent?

Consistency is overrated. It's far more fun to be a kneejerk reactionary while kowtowing to every whim of our corporate overlords.

It's all kinds of silly, to be perfectly honest. The dude should not have been arrested for this. If he wants to help people and gets himself hurt, it's his own stupid fault. Let him play hero, absolute worst case he gets himself hurt without accomplishing anything. Best case, he has a tremendously positive impact on the area. Leaving him on the street really is a no-lose situation.

We always complain that there is no good in people. When you see the video of the man getting his ass kicked, you look around at the bystanders and ask "why the hell aren't they doing something."

Now someone does, and you jump down his throat. Sad.

maninahat:

Adam Jensen:
He's the hero Seattle deserves, not the one it needs right now. He's a loud guardian, a watchful moron, a dark idiot.

Good man. This needs carving onto a bronz statue of this asshole.

Lol, I called somebody an asshole! Just like Penn and Teller, derpadoo!
Forgot an E
Why is this guy an Asshole?
Sure he's probably putting his life at great risk by doing this stuff, but his heart is in the right place. As far as I can tell, he isn't going looking for fights, but rather responding to them. If you heard there was a man choking to death, and you ran to him, you wouldn't be accused of ambulance chasing would you?
While I do think he might be a bit misguided, it's not like he's going out and assault people for selling drugs, or over eagerly tasering people. He's just a altruistic dude that doesn't quite know what to do.
Certainly not an asshole.
An asshole is when you kick puppies, spam emails, or ignore people being hurt because you don't want to get involved.
Why do you think you get to be so vindictive in this situation?

The reason that he got into this situation is obviously that someone is not doing their job. I don't blame him.

I think the guy filming isn't an innocent bystander, I think it's the guy who's making a Pheonix Jones documentary. Not sure though, but it seems fairly likely.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
We always complain that there is no good in people. When you see the video of the man getting his ass kicked, you look around at the bystanders and ask "why the hell aren't they doing something."

Now someone does, and you jump down his throat. Sad.

People justify their own inaction by saying that there is no good in people, but when someone acts, when someone shows that there is good in people, it jeopardizes the justification of the many for their own inaction, inadequacy, and failures.

Its standard ego self-defense.

"Why should I do it if no one else will do it?"
And if someone does it...
"Look at him showing off, what a fool."

JasonKaotic:
I always wondered when people would start trying to be real life superheroes, heh. It's a concept a lot of particularly idiotic people would surely have at least considered before.

Result!

EDIT: Well, assuming they haven't already. I've never heard of anyone doing it.

Actually its been done a lot, think of the first part of kickass before things got awesome, where some local people dress up in costumes and go to the streets to fight crime and often made to look a bit silly on the news.

Yeah so its not common, but its not unheard of either, it jsut tends to be the smaller cities or towns rather than say places like NY. From what ive heard at least.

Lol, did they catch an attempt at a hit n run crime in that video? sweet

What kind of superhero name is "Phoenix Jones"? It reminds me of the scene in Mystery Men where Mr. Furious is trying to show off to a girl and says that his real name is Phoenix Dark. Dirk. Phoenix Dark-Dirk.

SadakoMoose:

maninahat:

Adam Jensen:
He's the hero Seattle deserves, not the one it needs right now. He's a loud guardian, a watchful moron, a dark idiot.

Good man. This needs carving onto a bronz statue of this asshole.

Lol, I called somebody an asshole! Just like Penn and Teller, derpadoo!
Forgot an E
Why is this guy an Asshole?
Sure he's probably putting his life at great risk by doing this stuff, but his heart is in the right place. As far as I can tell, he isn't going looking for fights, but rather responding to them. If you heard there was a man choking to death, and you ran to him, you wouldn't be accused of ambulance chasing would you?
While I do think he might be a bit misguided, it's not like he's going out and assault people for selling drugs, or over eagerly tasering people. He's just a altruistic dude that doesn't quite know what to do.
Certainly not an asshole.
An asshole is when you kick puppies, spam emails, or ignore people being hurt because you don't want to get involved.
Why do you think you get to be so vindictive in this situation?

You don't think running around, spraying pepper spray into an angry crowd is at all risible? The guy dresses up as a super hero and goes out into the street with weapons; of course he was looking for trouble! That is the difference between a decent member of the public stepping in to break up a scuffle, and a kook like this: an innocent person can argue they were just doing the most reasonable thing at the shortest notice.

If you are the kind of person looking out for trouble on purpose, and your primary intention is to get involved in this sort of thing, you can't argue you were taking the best, most reasonable course of action. You are making a stupid choice and trying to take the situation into your own hands, which is very irresponsible and potentially very dangerous to all involved. That is why he is an asshole. Because he prioritised his super hero antics over doing the right thing, to the endangerment of the public.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
We always complain that there is no good in people. When you see the video of the man getting his ass kicked, you look around at the bystanders and ask "why the hell aren't they doing something."

Now someone does, and you jump down his throat. Sad.

Quite, my good madam / sir. He strives to be a hero, but like we all know, no one likes vigilantes, especially cops. Because we all know that cops hate being shown up, sense their authority figures and what not. Nothing wrong with the concept, just people tend to be a douche when it comes to letting the community CLEANSE the community. Cops, if you don't want Phoniex Jones, step up your police force.

Ewyx:
The reason that he got into this situation is obviously that someone is not doing their job. I don't blame him.

SadakoMoose:

maninahat:

Adam Jensen:
He's the hero Seattle deserves, not the one it needs right now. He's a loud guardian, a watchful moron, a dark idiot.

Good man. This needs carving onto a bronz statue of this asshole.

Lol, I called somebody an asshole! Just like Penn and Teller, derpadoo!
Forgot an E
Why is this guy an Asshole?
Sure he's probably putting his life at great risk by doing this stuff, but his heart is in the right place. As far as I can tell, he isn't going looking for fights, but rather responding to them. If you heard there was a man choking to death, and you ran to him, you wouldn't be accused of ambulance chasing would you?
While I do think he might be a bit misguided, it's not like he's going out and assault people for selling drugs, or over eagerly tasering people. He's just a altruistic dude that doesn't quite know what to do.
Certainly not an asshole.
An asshole is when you kick puppies, spam emails, or ignore people being hurt because you don't want to get involved.
Why do you think you get to be so vindictive in this situation?

You both are very much correct. Not his fault he wanted to stop a fight, its the cops fault for not being there first.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
We always complain that there is no good in people. When you see the video of the man getting his ass kicked, you look around at the bystanders and ask "why the hell aren't they doing something."

Now someone does, and you jump down his throat. Sad.

Gotta love hypocrisy right?

I think people are mad cuz its not as cool as in Batman or Kick Ass

This upcoming court could be the start of something new, mainly a newly created law to ban or outlaw masks vigilantes. This could be the end of the other establish mask individual like Shadow Hare and that superhero group (the one with Motor Mouth, Nyx, Life and etc).

draythefingerless:
Lol, did they catch an attempt at a hit n run crime in that video? sweet

24 Comments before anyone mentions the fact that someone was HIT BY A CAR and this Phoenix guy chased after it, good on him.

Pepper spray is nothing, so what your eyes hurt, and kicking the shit out of each other wasn't going get them injured? He should get let off, not even with a warning, give him thanks and send him back on the streets.

didn't kick ass show why this was a bad idea? a bystander calling the cops is more effective and safer than a masked vigilante. I totally wish we lived in a world where that was not the case, but someone is gonna be killed. might be him, might be the "villain", but it'll be someone.

Earnest Cavalli:
Seattle "Superhero" Arrested For Pepper Spray Assault

Eventually, I think the argument will be that his presence in the situation -- wearing a bright costume, carrying crime-fighting devices, yet not displaying a badge or other official markers -- served as an escalating influence, possibly even provocation.

It's probably the most sensible argument against costumed vigilantism. Having student hall monitors did the same thing in many elementary and middle schools--when people realized these people had no official power, antagonizing them became a game. While that certainly qualified those people as "jerks," it eventually came down to such things not being worth the trouble. If they don't have the power, they shouldn't have the position.

Charged with up to year of incarceration when there is even video evidence that it is self-defence.

This is why Batman kept his secret identity.

ITT: police have a monopoly of force

(Off topic: why did the cops call Batman in to interrogate The Joker for The Dark Knight, all he did was slap him around and make a vague threat of killing Joker, any cop could have done that (and a short while later in the film actually did!). Batman is supposed to do what the police can't or won't do)

So funny the comments here.
Most of the time when a group of people does something bad, for example beat someone up, most comments are like "This society is sick, why doesn't any do something, where are all the heroes?"
Then, when someone has the balls to actually do something (it's his own fault and decision if he puts himself in danger), the comments change to "Wow, what a moron, why does he act like such an idiot and do something so stupid."
Sigh, people just don't know what they want.

to the people talking about the pepper spray and the taking weapons looking for fights....

1. so a woman who carries a pepper spray in her bag is a criminal offense?
2. cops stroll the night looking for trouble too. thats their job. to ensure they are safeguarding everyone. thats what this guy was doing. going thru the night, hoping he might stop any ongoing crime. looking to start a fight and looking for a fight to stop it are two different things.
2. he even avoided touching people in that fight. all he did was separate them(like normal thoughtful good hearted people do when they see a fight) and he used the pepper spray in his own defense.

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