British Soldier: Claiming Games Cause Violence Is "Nonsense"

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British Soldier: Claiming Games Cause Violence Is "Nonsense"

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A man who knows real violence knows that games are not the cause.

Andy McNab is the pseudonym used by an ex-SAS soldier on non-fiction books about his career such as Brave Two Zero, as well as military novels using his knowledge of real battlefields. He was approached by EA DICE to offer his expertise on Battlefield 3 from the ground up, not just as promotional blather. Still, as part of his promotional blather role, McNab said some very interesting things regarding games and violence, how actual soldiers speak to each other, and where he thinks the next real-world conflict will erupt.

"People have always been fascinated by war - games are just another medium for that," McNab told the Guardian. "There have been war films since the beginning of cinema - you could go along to the Saturday morning pictures and watch John Wayne kill 100 Japanese soldiers in 10 minutes. It's all part of the same thing.

"And the big arguments about games inducing violence - they're a load of nonsense; violence has always been there," he continued. "And possibly, the reason the crime rate is declining in the US is that people are now staying in and exploring violence through games rather than going out and beating people up."

One of the major things McNab contributed to Battlefield 3 was to help the writing feel authentic. "My first job was helping with the writing, coming up with plausible bridges between missions, doing some of the dialogue. Military speak is very progressive and positive. No one says, 'Well, we'll try to get to X by 9am,' it's all about 'you will do this, I will do that, this will happen.'"

Why does the change of tense matter? "The point of that is: if you start with a moment of doubt, when things get worse, doubt becomes failure. It's got to be positive from the start. And it's all about brevity - military language is not as formal as we think it is," he said.

With the defeat of Kaddafi in Libya and the U.S. pulling out of IRaq and Afghanistan in the near future, McNab made some cautious prediction of where the next problem area will erupt. "Tt's about assessing the future character of conflict. What all military forces do is assess energy and food security and the routes to and from trade partners. Food and water, we're all right on, so it'll be energy and trade routes - conflicts on the east and west coasts of Africa, possibly. The Americans, I think, still have an aircraft carrier fleet off the west coast protecting that flank. Our energy out of north Africa seems pretty secure now, it's the east and west coast that might be problem."

According to McNab, it may be time to start investing in those Somali pirates ...

Source: Guardian

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Greg Tito:
British Soldier: Claiming Games Cause Violence Is "Nonsense"

...unless it's a farm.

Hrrmmm...While I appreciate the words Mr. McNab, your own particular brand of media does "appear" to be revelling in violence somewhat.

It's like Tiger Woods talking out against sleeping around. We know he knows, but...

Unfortunatly, no one will actually take him seriously because he speaks sense. which is a shame.

Listen to the man.

He was in the S.A.S.

If you ignore him, he will kill you with a chocolate lime!

"With the defeat of Kaddafi"

Uh... Gaddafi, you mean?

OT: Well, duh. Always nice to have someone say it though.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Greg Tito:
British Soldier: Claiming Games Cause Violence Is "Nonsense"

...unless it's a farm.

Hrrmmm...While I appreciate the words Mr. McNabb, your own particular brand of media does "appear" to be revelling in violence somewhat.

It's like Tiger Woods talking out against sleeping around. We know he knows, but...

What? He's not denouncing violence, he's saying games don't cause it. An ex-SAS man has every right to say that - I mean, unless the SAS scooped him up because they were watching him re-enact Mortal Kombat on his little brother...which I doubt ever happened.

Minor typo on 'IRaq' there.
I wasn't aware Andy McNab was involved in Battlefield 3 at all. Now I'm even more pissed off that Amazon hasn't dispatched my order yet.

Woodsey:
"With the defeat of Kaddafi"

Uh... Gaddafi, you mean?

OT: Well, duh.

Kaddafi is an acceptable spelling, given that what the western media knows of his name is translated from Arabic.

I hope I haven't double-posted here.

Edit: I have. Damn. Sorry.

Face is, the man's right. There's no correlation between video games and violence that's ever been proven. And, in fact, the release of hotly anticipated shooters tends to cause a drop in street crime, presumably because all the young men are inside playing instead of outside causing trouble.

Ironically, recent studies have shown that FPS games are very helpful in treating PTSD in combat veterans. No wonder a soldier is standing up for them.

Well... its nice to see some logic. Granted what he said a ten year old could come up with (though not as eloquently), which is more to say he shouldnt have to say it.

That's Bravo two zero, not brave

The_root_of_all_evil:

Greg Tito:
British Soldier: Claiming Games Cause Violence Is "Nonsense"

...unless it's a farm.

Hrrmmm...While I appreciate the words Mr. McNabb, your own particular brand of media does "appear" to be revelling in violence somewhat.

It's like Tiger Woods talking out against sleeping around. We know he knows, but...

Look, if the censors would only allow it I guarantee video games would be focused on sex... just like the entire film industry is.

Daystar Clarion:
Listen to the man.

He was in the S.A.S.

If you ignore him, he will kill you with a chocolate lime!

No he wouldn't..... he would do it with a milk bottle top, a cold teabag and a guinea pig hair-brush.

Woodsey:
"With the defeat of Kaddafi"

Uh... Gaddafi, you mean?

OT: Well, duh. Always nice to have someone say it though.

Not that surprising since it's from the guardian. Those guys really should use proof readers before going to prune... I mean print.

vrbtny:

Daystar Clarion:
Listen to the man.

He was in the S.A.S.

If you ignore him, he will kill you with a chocolate lime!

No he wouldn't..... he would do it with a milk bottle top, a cold teabag and a guinea pig brush.

And a partridge in a pear tree.

Everything is a lethal weapon.

Thyunda:

What? He's not denouncing violence, he's saying games don't cause it.

Writing Bravo Two Zero might do though, which weakens the case considerably.

Treblaine:

Look, if the censors would only allow it I guarantee video games would be focused on sex... just like the entire film industry is.

That's quite a huge stretch of 'what-ifs', which tends to fall at the first post. The Film Industry isn't obsessed with sex, the media reporting the Film Industry is obsessed with sex.

The Film Industry has produced some rather stunning films that have nothing to do with sex - it's just they don't titilate the readership of the popular press and - as such - don't warrant a mention.

Just like the media reporting the Games Industry is obsessed with violence.

Or the tabloids with "You couldn't make it up".

(With a few notable exceptions, of course)

luvd1:

Woodsey:
"With the defeat of Kaddafi"

Uh... Gaddafi, you mean?

OT: Well, duh. Always nice to have someone say it though.

Not that surprising since it's from the guardian. Those guys really should use proof readers before going to prune... I mean print.

The Escapist spelled it with a K, The Guardian used a G. So yeah, as you were saying, proof readers....

The_root_of_all_evil:

Thyunda:

What? He's not denouncing violence, he's saying games don't cause it.

Writing Bravo Two Zero might do though, which weakens the case considerably.

That makes perfect sense.

Glad someone is speaking some sense.

While there is evidence of a link between increased aggression and violent video games (anyone who has played multiplayer shooters can attest for that) that doesn't mean that there's a direct link to *actual* violence. If you play games then go out and hurt someone, that's because there was already something very wrong with your head, even without the games.

'course, the game could be one of many factors that combine to make you consider a career in the military, but that doesn't really count.

Daystar Clarion:
Listen to the man.

He was in the S.A.S.

If you ignore him, he will kill you with a chocolate lime!

Now I want some chocolate limes... I'll go dan't* shops and get a big bag for a quid**.

Anybody want owt*** while I'm gone?

* - Down to the

** - Pound Sterling

*** - Anything

Translation for the non-British Escapists, and some of the non-Yorkshire Escapists.

Other then the extremely obvious how the fuck do you not know how to spell Gaddafi I think I have heard this before. Its just another random guy spouting off nonsense about video games.

AmrasCalmacil:

Kaddafi is an acceptable spelling, given that what the western media knows of his name is translated from Arabic.

No it really isnt.

Treblaine:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Greg Tito:
British Soldier: Claiming Games Cause Violence Is "Nonsense"

...unless it's a farm.

Hrrmmm...While I appreciate the words Mr. McNabb, your own particular brand of media does "appear" to be revelling in violence somewhat.

It's like Tiger Woods talking out against sleeping around. We know he knows, but...

Look, if the censors would only allow it I guarantee video games would be focused on sex... just like the entire film industry is.

There's never been sex in a Pixar film. I'm wearing a Gengar hat. Your logic is invalid.

Joking aside, I think video games are already focused on sex appeal enough, considering that the vast majority of women in video games are little more than eyecandy. The game industry probably wouldn't focus more on sex itself though, because most game publishers try to avoid an M rating, like most film companies try to avoid an R rating.

Woodsey:

luvd1:

Woodsey:
"With the defeat of Kaddafi"

Uh... Gaddafi, you mean?

OT: Well, duh. Always nice to have someone say it though.

Not that surprising since it's from the guardian. Those guys really should use proof readers before going to prune... I mean print.

The Escapist spelled it with a K, The Guardian used a G. So yeah, as you were saying, proof readers....

There's more than 40 ways to spell his last name alone (my personal favorite is Ghadaffi). Kaddafi is one of them. Focus more on the obvious proofreading mistakes, such as "IRaq" and "Tt's" later in that paragraph.

Satsuki666:
Other then the extremely obvious how the fuck do you not know how to spell Gaddafi I think I have heard this before. Its just another random guy spouting off nonsense about video games.

AmrasCalmacil:

Kaddafi is an acceptable spelling, given that what the western media knows of his name is translated from Arabic.

No it really isnt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi#Transliteration_of_his_Arabic_name

Enjoy, Mr/Ms 'I'm right.'

For the record, Andy McNab (not his real name) was an Infantryman in the British Army for eight years and an SAS operative for nine. He was the commander of Patrol Bravo Two Zero in the Gulf War, along with fellow author and former SAS operative Chris Ryan. The patrol ended in McNab being captured by Iraqi forces and Ryan escaping to the Syrian border.

Since then McNab has become a bestselling author.

The Gentleman:

Woodsey:

luvd1:

Not that surprising since it's from the guardian. Those guys really should use proof readers before going to prune... I mean print.

The Escapist spelled it with a K, The Guardian used a G. So yeah, as you were saying, proof readers....

There's more than 40 ways to spell his last name alone (my personal favorite is Ghadaffi). Kaddafi is one of them. Focus more on the obvious proofreading mistakes, such as "IRaq" and "Tt's" later in that paragraph.

I've seen Ghadaffi once, everywhere else I've seen it written has been Gaddafi. You'd think they'd just settle on a standard translation. Call him Scooby-Doo for all I care, but make it consistent.

Woodsey:
"With the defeat of Kaddafi"OT: Well, duh. Always nice to have someone say it though.

Arabic-English translation isn't exact, Gaddafi and Qaddafi are also acceptable translation of the same name, although Gaddafi is the one most comonly written because the pronounciation sounds like a G.

Woodsey:
"With the defeat of Kaddafi"

Uh... Gaddafi, you mean?

OT: Well, duh. Always nice to have someone say it though.

I think you mean "El-Gadhafi".

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The_root_of_all_evil:

Thyunda:

What? He's not denouncing violence, he's saying games don't cause it.

Writing Bravo Two Zero might do though, which weakens the case considerably.

What?

Thyunda:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Thyunda:

What? He's not denouncing violence, he's saying games don't cause it.

Writing Bravo Two Zero might do though, which weakens the case considerably.

What?

Look at gamers; the pasty stay-at-homes that we are: Violence capacity? Little.

Look at the people you know that have bought/read/display Bravo Two Zero: Do they also have a bowie knife, Jane's guide to Firearms, Combat and Survival magazine, books on how to kill people with your thumbs? Do they get into fights a lot?

Like I said, not really helping our case. Imagine J.K.Rowling speaking out against believing in Fairy Tales.

AmrasCalmacil:
I wasn't aware Andy McNab was involved in Battlefield 3 at all. Now I'm even more pissed off that Amazon hasn't dispatched my order yet.

As you should be. But the single-player was nothing special. Competent, but bland. Looks really freaking good, though. The multi-player on the other hand... I shall be wasting many hours of my life to that, i fear.

OT: Um... I'm confused?. Why does this guy have credibility enough to say that games don't cause violence? I mean, we all know they don't, but I'm unsure as to why having military, and presumably combat, experience makes you an expert in psychology.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Thyunda:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Writing Bravo Two Zero might do though, which weakens the case considerably.

What?

Look at gamers; the pasty stay-at-homes that we are: Violence capacity? Little.

Look at the people you know that have bought/read/display Bravo Two Zero: Do they also have a bowie knife, Jane's guide to Firearms, Combat and Survival magazine, books on how to kill people with your thumbs? Do they get into fights a lot?

Like I said, not really helping our case. Imagine J.K.Rowling speaking out against believing in Fairy Tales.

People who know how to kill other people with their thumbs don't get into fights a lot. That shit is self-evident.

Also - You know J.K. Rowling doesn't REALLY believe Harry Potter exists, right? She isn't under the impression she's writing a biography. The hell is wrong with you?

Daystar Clarion:

vrbtny:

Daystar Clarion:
Listen to the man.

He was in the S.A.S.

If you ignore him, he will kill you with a chocolate lime!

No he wouldn't..... he would do it with a milk bottle top, a cold teabag and a guinea pig brush.

And a partridge in a pear tree.

Everything is a lethal weapon.

including his dick, god rest my mother's soul :'(

Not quite as high profile as the SAS but i'm an ex Para and i've been saying that for years.

llew:

Daystar Clarion:

vrbtny:

No he wouldn't..... he would do it with a milk bottle top, a cold teabag and a guinea pig brush.

And a partridge in a pear tree.

Everything is a lethal weapon.

including his dick, god rest my mother's soul :'(

The lethality is so lethal, that even the offspring of the woman will feel it.

I'm surprised you're still alive.

I can't help feeling his words would carry more weight if he didn't work on BF3.

Not that I disagree with him, I think he makes a very solid case.

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