Grandpa Tastes Concrete Over Videogames

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Aeonknight:

Amnestic:

Aeonknight:

Really doesn't matter dude.

That's how they're trained, any sign of hostility/resistance and they show no hesitation. An old man with a grandkid hiding a knife in his trousers can stab you just as easily as some punk lowlife.

I'm not saying he was armed or anything... but it wouldn't surprise me on Black Friday. Either way, when the cop barks orders... either listen or eat concrete.

But again... dunno if he was resisting at all. Still passive on judgment.

Pick up that can.

At least if I say no, I know what to expect lol

When you expect the same thing from your police as you would from one of the Combine's Metrocops, something has gone terribly wrong.

RvLeshrac:

Guffe:
This is groundbreaking! (pa tum tish!)
I can so see the theme of Mortal Combat going on full volume in the shop and the cop just snapping and his brain goin "FINISH HIM!!!" and BOOOOM!

Well I feel sorry for the man, honestly a police officer should just go up to him and ask why he put the game in his trousers (shoplifing or protecting grandson) if he after the question starts running around then you can start wondering about using lightly forcing methods...

Slamming someone face-first into the floor is not "light force," especially since *all* of the medical bills are going to be that guy's responsibility. Even if he's released immediately and not charged with a crime, he now has hundreds, if not thousands, in medical bills.

Sorry if I wasn't explaning myself enough here.
I didn't mean that slamming him all bloody onto the floor was "light force". I meant that if he starts resisting you can grab the guy and handcuf him if he does more resisting but slamming someones brains to the ground is stuff you do the mafia guys.
With light force I meant a grapple of the arm or something like that.

THEJORRRG:

Besides, he's an old man at Wal-Mart with his grandson, what the hell would he have done to the cop?

I have known 70+ year-old men that could kill you with one hand quite easily. So... Quite a lot actually, if he had the right training. Never underestimate someone just because they are old.

OT: I dunno, the entire thing sounds quite fishy for the cops. Methinks they might have over-reacted a bit much during the frenzy, mainly due to being overwhelmed. Still not a good excuse, but an understandable one.

Amnestic:

Aeonknight:

Amnestic:

Pick up that can.

At least if I say no, I know what to expect lol

When you expect the same thing from your police as you would from one of the Combine's Metrocops, something has gone terribly wrong.

Welcome to the real world?
Something has BEEN terribly wrong. Hell the cops in my city have a reputation with neighboring cities for how bad they are.

But regardless of that, there is a right way and a wrong way to interract with police. I'll give you a hint as to which one doesn't involve some face to concrete action.

RvLeshrac:
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I don't think they'll face plant you for asking why you're being arrested. I doubt they'd tell you till you're in custody either though. If grandpa here didn't intend to steal the game, he should have no problem explaining it when the time comes. Then you can even turn around and sue the police for unlawful arrest.

That's how you deal with it. Not by flailing your arms around or getting up in their face about it.

ZeZZZZevy:
Isn't it shoplifting only if you attempt to leave the store without paying for the item? I was under the impression that you could put it anywhere (within reason) between where it sits and the checkout line.

That's what I was thinking. Until he'd left the store it doesn't matter where he puts the game. There's no intent to shoplift until he's out of the store.

This just sounds like another instance of stupid police doing stupid shit. I'm really finding it hard to defend them lately.

So simply concealing an item in any way inside of a store is shoplifting now? Don't you by definition have to leave the store in order to steal something?
I know it's obviously inflated by the media, but the police seem to be getting ridiculous these days. They use the fact that anyone could be armed to justify treating everyone like would-be criminals.
Anyone could be a meth dealer too, but you can't just break into their house to find out.

well much problems could be solved if they were to revoke a law allowing carrying concealed weapons.

Never get between a cop and his donut.

I'm amazed people are trying to justify hiding an item, seriously?
There is no reason for you to be concealing any item unless you actually have the intent to steal it. Maybe the he was trying to conceal it so his grandson wouldn't see? Well I find that hard to buy because why would you take the damn kid to the store with you when you're going to buy it, the kid is going to see the damn thing eventually when you pay for it. Also who the hell brings a child to Black Friday?
I'm sorry but there is absolutely no justification for hiding an item on your being, and even that is fairly disgusting for the cashier and whoever else has to handle the damn item when you pull it out of your pants/armpits/wherever else you hid it. There are shopping carts, they exist for a reason.

Strazdas:
well much problems could be solved if they were to revoke a law allowing carrying concealed weapons.

This kind of binary thinking is dangerous and just pathetically lazy.

Strazdas:
well much problems could be solved if they were to revoke a law allowing carrying concealed weapons.

I love people who dont know what the fuck they are talking about.

the "dur hur hur revoke carry concealed!11!one1!" Argument only effects people who are legally allowed to carry the weapons anyway.

The jackasses and punks that are going to start something and try to murder someone DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE LAW ANYWAY and will still carry what they want even if a retard passes something like that.

Well, look at the bright side, in the 15th century, in my country, theft was punished by impalement. These guys still have a while to go, but they're getting there.

Rednog:
I'm amazed people are trying to justify hiding an item, seriously?
There is no reason for you to be concealing any item unless you actually have the intent to steal it. Maybe the he was trying to conceal it so his grandson wouldn't see? Well I find that hard to buy because why would you take the damn kid to the store with you when you're going to buy it, the kid is going to see the damn thing eventually when you pay for it. Also who the hell brings a child to Black Friday?
I'm sorry but there is absolutely no justification for hiding an item on your being, and even that is fairly disgusting for the cashier and whoever else has to handle the damn item when you pull it out of your pants/armpits/wherever else you hid it. There are shopping carts, they exist for a reason.

Hypothetically speaking, if his intent was to get is Grandson safely into his grasp, he's gonna want both hands to do that and probably just stuffed the game in the first place that sprang to mind: an instinctual as opposed to an intellectual decision.

In fairness to the police however, having tried my hand at grappling martial arts I have gained a healthy respect for how difficult it is to actually restrain someone who does NOT want to be restrained. Its difficult; and requires multiple people if you want to do it without harming your subject or yourself.

For your sake officers, the video footage had better bear out that this guy was an uncontrolable hysteric that resisted arrest. If he's not, I fear a chat with the Toecutters, and a huge civil suit will bear down upon you like an angry bear and you'll deserve your mauling.

Hmm before I forget, inb4

Someone HAD to do it.

Strazdas:
well much problems could be solved if they were to revoke a law allowing carrying concealed weapons.

Oh boy your going to regrete saying that.

I don't agree with you becuase one I like defending my self not waiting for police to show up. Two there a fear that our goverment will go to far. Having the ability to put them down is nice too. and to quote Isoroku Yamamoto a a Fleet Admiral and Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

I was under the impression you couldn't shop lift without leaving the store.

Ok first thing who would bring a child on Black Friday? I mean consider the nature of this event the little kids will only get push and shoves by the other people.
OT- As I mention already in the pepper spray news they should no longer have Black Friday if it only lead to this much mayhem, greed and violence.

Hmmmm....I can't really pick a side here. On one hand, the cop could have asked a question (are you gonna pay for that sir?) instead of just arresting him immediately. On the other hand, the guy basically made himself look like a thief. Plus, "flailing your arms" or any sudden movements while you're being arrested are bound to get you tackled by a cop. But then again the details aren't even clear to what really happened. One side claims the dude wasn't shoplifting, the other claims he was and was resisting arrest. I'm just going to go with that they're both to blame for this incident.

These police need to be seriously investigated, they didn't just shatter his fucking nose, they knocked him the fuck out.

But let's be honest, the United State has gone so far down hill that these cops will have nothing happen to them, and the poor bastard will have to pay for his medical bills.

They shoplifting and resisting arrest charges will get dropped though. You can bet your sweet fucking ass Wally world has that shit on camera and it will be used. The police won't want the bad PR against them, hell the tape will probably get leaked anyways.

I swear America, you guys have the worst fucking cops down there.

The cops will get away with it as usual.

I saw another video where the news was taking the cops side.

They can and will crush the skulls of OAP's and get away with it these days.

I mean, geeze i've put games/DVDs in my waistband in a store before as a kid, you leave it visible, you don't leave the store and you have your hand free to grab more products for purchase and pull it out when you go pay for it. Its not shoplifting unless you leave the store and keep it visible. If its in your waistband its visible.

Turns out if I was in the US I would've got my 10 year old face crushed for the 'crime' of putting a product somewhere they deem unacceptable despite still being visible.

May I start by saying that this is a fucking disgrace how the police could do this to a frail old man,

and may I also say as an (almost) fully trained first aider why did the stupid fucking pricks put him on his back if he was chocking they should have placed him in the recover position!!

My apologies if i offended anybody with this next bit however American cops see to be some of the most retarded fuckers on this planet

BreakfastMan:

THEJORRRG:

Besides, he's an old man at Wal-Mart with his grandson, what the hell would he have done to the cop?

I have known 70+ year-old men that could kill you with one hand quite easily. So... Quite a lot actually, if he had the right training. Never underestimate someone just because they are old.

OT: I dunno, the entire thing sounds quite fishy for the cops. Methinks they might have over-reacted a bit much during the frenzy, mainly due to being overwhelmed. Still not a good excuse, but an understandable one.

Thats what I was thinking too. The cop was probably up to his eyeballs in annoying and aggressive customers that then and then took his frustrations out on an old man who made a simple error of judgement by placing the product in his waist band.

To that I say the cop should go get more training. Anyone whose job it is to enforce some kind of security and protection, has to be able to deal with the sort of shit that would put most people over their edge

Can I just point out for all the people who say that he could've had a knife or whatever other reasoning for trying to make out the officer was in the right.

It says he cuffed the man first then brought him to the floor for resisting arrest.

Now if I'm right, or the officer was doing his damn job properly, that would mean the old mans hands were safetly restricted behind his back, away from being able to pull out any weapon on his person. At this point resisting arrest was probably just trying to get his grandson out of the huge crowds that would've killed him at any point without even knowing they had.

It's unacceptable that this happen to anyone

Actually upon watching that video, that's fucking disgusting!

That wasn't police brutality, that was assault, he knocked the guy unconcious then continued to gloat to his co-worker, when asked for someone to "dial 911" the crowd couldn't do anything but record it all on their iPhones and complain about what he did, they're all disgusting too.

That one guy who comes out of the crowd to help the guy, he's a hero, all I gotta say is thank god he was there because that guy could've been killed, choking on his own blood because the general public and the authorities wouldn't do anything to help him.

It makes me sick, it really does!

So it's true! Videogames DO promote violence.

If the chronology in this article is correct, I'm curious as to how much arm-flailing one can do whilst handcuffed.

RvLeshrac:

Slamming someone face-first into the floor is not "light force," especially since *all* of the medical bills are going to be that guy's responsibility. Even if he's released immediately and not charged with a crime, he now has hundreds, if not thousands, in medical bills.

well maybe if your government Canada'd up their hospitals...

OT: what is it with Black Friday? why do people even go to the sales any more? surely they're online as well, and at least then the only chance of injury is if the delivery van veers off course and smashes straight into you.

I'm torn. It's one of two things. 1) The old guy was resisting arrest and deserved to suck on concrete. 2) The cops were out of line and need ot be disciplined if not charged and fired.

Now the problem is which one was it? That footage doesn't show the entire incident.

As for people going, "he's a harmless old man" shut up right now... couple years ago where I live, a 78 year old man with a walker stabbed a cop in the eye with a hidden knife he had in the walkers basket. So you can;t be 100% sure anyone is harmless nowadays.

Best bet I've ever found with dealing with the cops is to shut up and listen to them. Even if you fel your rights are being trampled, better to not get face planted or smacked around and dealing with it after the fact. Too many people nowadays have this bizarre notion they can do whatever they want because of their "rights" and have no repercussions. People tend ot forget the police are pretty much above the law for the immediate time of their actions. I'm not saying they above the law after the fact, and police should be held accountable for any excess force, abuse of power or similar behavior, but in the here and now when they arresting you, they can use deadly force if they feel it's needed and it's almost impossible to stop them. Your rights are all well and good but if you're dead they don't help much.

Wonder how long till someone replies claiming I'm some kinda police state loving draconian slavemaster :-p

Ashannon Blackthorn:
I'm torn. It's one of two things. 1) The old guy was resisting arrest and deserved to suck on concrete. 2) The cops were out of line and need ot be disciplined if not charged and fired.

Now the problem is which one was it? That footage doesn't show the entire incident.

As for people going, "he's a harmless old man" shut up right now... couple years ago where I live, a 78 year old man with a walker stabbed a cop in the eye with a hidden knife he had in the walkers basket. So you can;t be 100% sure anyone is harmless nowadays.

Best bet I've ever found with dealing with the cops is to shut up and listen to them. Even if you fel your rights are being trampled, better to not get face planted or smacked around and dealing with it after the fact. Too many people nowadays have this bizarre notion they can do whatever they want because of their "rights" and have no repercussions. People tend ot forget the police are pretty much above the law for the immediate time of their actions. I'm not saying they above the law after the fact, and police should be held accountable for any excess force, abuse of power or similar behavior, but in the here and now when they arresting you, they can use deadly force if they feel it's needed and it's almost impossible to stop them. Your rights are all well and good but if you're dead they don't help much.

Wonder how long till someone replies claiming I'm some kinda police state loving draconian slavemaster :-p

For crying out loud, HE WAS CUFFED. You normally need your hands to stab people.

The police is there to protect and serve the citizens of their country. The moment law abiding citizens have reason to fear the police, there's something wrong.

Edit: Wow, american wallmart customers must be the lowest lowlifes I've ever seen, if that video is correct.
"Call 991!"
"HURR DURRR WHY U R HURT MAN?!"

*guy steps forward to help*
"OMG LET DA POLIZ DO DEIR JOBZ ROFL Durrr"

What a fucking band of clowns. I'm so happy there's an ocean between us.

TrilbyWill:

RvLeshrac:

Slamming someone face-first into the floor is not "light force," especially since *all* of the medical bills are going to be that guy's responsibility. Even if he's released immediately and not charged with a crime, he now has hundreds, if not thousands, in medical bills.

well maybe if your government Canada'd up their hospitals...

OT: what is it with Black Friday? why do people even go to the sales any more? surely they're online as well, and at least then the only chance of injury is if the delivery van veers off course and smashes straight into you.

Instant gratification and competition.

Some people want that thrill of knowing they saved 50% off by beating other people. THe thrill for them isnt nearly as strong if they were racing against others to get that item, or if they have to wait 3-7 days for delivery.

I for one just use steam. thank god, for steam. /jim voice

One wonders how much of a threat he was to merit a face full of concrete.

Seriously, unless this Grandfather was on steroids or something, it's hard to imagine a situation where the need for this kind of force isn't really sad on some level. Right now, all I got is alien or demonic possession.

Freaky Lou:

Actually witnesses say it was because he needed his hands free to help his grandkid with something.

Regardless, it's hard to call it shoplifting.

What's odd is, generally speaking, one has to attempt to not pay before it's actually shoplifting. On Black Friday, with all the people who will grab something from you and even assault you for your purchases, I'd be surprised if there weren't a bunch of people doing similar without a grandkid nearby.

You know it's incredibly easy to make a cop look bad if you decide to record at the right moment.

oh no, and now a lot of people are going to be saying 'f*** the police', and going on about how evil they are. The cop in question really has no excuse, but hopefully most of us here won't judge an entire organisation by the action of one of its members.

Read the article.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/26/justice/arizona-walmart-arrest/index.html

"
Jerald Newman, 54, spent Friday night in a Maricopa County jail hours after being arrested.

David Chadd, a CNN iReporter from Las Vegas, was among the crowd shopping for video games set up in the Walmart's grocery section. He said Newman "was not resisting" arrest as he was led away from the crowd by a police officer.

That officer, Chadd said, then suddenly hooked the suspect around the leg, grabbed him and "slammed him face first into the ground."

"It was like a bowling ball hitting the ground, that's how bad it was," he said.
"

TheBelgianGuy:

Ashannon Blackthorn:
I'm torn. It's one of two things. 1) The old guy was resisting arrest and deserved to suck on concrete. 2) The cops were out of line and need ot be disciplined if not charged and fired.

Now the problem is which one was it? That footage doesn't show the entire incident.

As for people going, "he's a harmless old man" shut up right now... couple years ago where I live, a 78 year old man with a walker stabbed a cop in the eye with a hidden knife he had in the walkers basket. So you can;t be 100% sure anyone is harmless nowadays.

Best bet I've ever found with dealing with the cops is to shut up and listen to them. Even if you fel your rights are being trampled, better to not get face planted or smacked around and dealing with it after the fact. Too many people nowadays have this bizarre notion they can do whatever they want because of their "rights" and have no repercussions. People tend ot forget the police are pretty much above the law for the immediate time of their actions. I'm not saying they above the law after the fact, and police should be held accountable for any excess force, abuse of power or similar behavior, but in the here and now when they arresting you, they can use deadly force if they feel it's needed and it's almost impossible to stop them. Your rights are all well and good but if you're dead they don't help much.

Wonder how long till someone replies claiming I'm some kinda police state loving draconian slavemaster :-p

For crying out loud, HE WAS CUFFED. You normally need your hands to stab people.

The police is there to protect and serve the citizens of their country. The moment law abiding citizens have reason to fear the police, there's something wrong.

Edit: Wow, american wallmart customers must be the lowest lowlifes I've ever seen, if that video is correct.
"Call 991!"
"HURR DURRR WHY U R HURT MAN?!"

*guy steps forward to help*
"OMG LET DA POLIZ DO DEIR JOBZ ROFL Durrr"

What a fucking band of clowns. I'm so happy there's an ocean between us.

So what about, "we don't know what happened before they cuffed him" are you failing to grasp? That video starts off with the guy on the ground, cuffed and bleeding. We have no idea what happened before that. For all we know he was going bananas and the cops had to throw him to the ground to get him to stop.

Again, we don;t know everything that lead up to that video starting. If we get the stuff that happened before we can better judge. If it proven the cop was over the line, throw the book at him and fire him from the force. Simple as that. But stop being judgmental when we don't have all the facts.

Best bet I've ever found with dealing with the cops is to shut up and listen to them.

Even if you fel your rights are being trampled, better to not get face planted or smacked around and dealing with it after the fact.

People tend ot forget the police are pretty much above the law

they can use deadly force if they feel it's needed and it's almost impossible to stop them.

You scare me. That you even accept this and do not question it or seem to disagree with it is utterly terrifying.

I mean, I could see this in Egypt or Libya...

The police are supposed to be there to serve and protect.

That some people are starting to see and accept them as some kind of violent force who can do whatever they want is terrifying in and of itself.

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