So Long, Bandai Entertainment

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Is this going to affect Namco Bandais games? If so, that'll definetly have a big effect on the industry. This seemed to come out of nowhere!

Oh no, how could I continue to live without *Looks at list* oh wait, nevermind.

And nothing of value was lost. You can probably tell i don't watch much anime.

Drakmeire:
Nichijou makes me very sad but you know what's worse?
They also had a license of Star Driver.
I liked Nichijou more but I don't think a Dub would work well for a show like that, Star Driver on the other hand would have been perfect.
Kiraboshi to all!
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...Oh fuck, they did have that license. Well I can kiss my European release hopes goodbye if NA isn't getting it.

At first, I was like "Well I don't watch or read any of these things so I'm not affected". Now... well my day isn't turning out great.

Risingblade:
Damn I wanted to watch that Turn A dub

*hugs Risingblade and cries*

vansau:

Manga:

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Volume 7

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Dreiko:
This just affects dubs, Bandai doesn't make anime for America, they make them for Japan and they will continue to do so, any real anime lover wouldn't feel perturbed by this at all and would keep being a huge fan of the series they love despite it not being brought over.

Hell, most fans have already watched all these series months before they're even brought over here, it's that delay and failure which made them not turn in enough profit and close up shop.

They thought that anime fans in America are still living 20 years ago where the only things they knew about anime was what Japan wished to share with them when in fact anime fans around the world can watch a fan-subtitled episode a day after it premiers in Japanese tv in subtitles often better than an official sub.

Victorique is still adorable as hell, I mean, look at her:

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Does she seem any less cute because you won't be able to buy the blue ray version of her anime at your local store? Does the lack of a dub somehow affect her existence at all? I don't think so.

That's true. But, I do like being able to buy the DVDs to support the stuff I like. I've bought a lot of anime DVDs of stuff I already had fansubbed versions of.

Whilst I don't watch alot of anime anymore, this is still rather sad :(

Well, I've lost nothing. I don't think I've watched an anime from them since Gundam Seed. And since the only way I can get anime it to either watch it streamed, or pay 70$ upwards for one DVD season. I'm just gona keep watching whatever I want online thanks. I don't usually find new anime to watch anyways till it's been out for afew years. Which is fine.

*Continues praying for Spice & Wolf season 3 anime*. One day. Where Macgyver, that dude loves Spice and Wolf.

Palademon:
Damn it!
MY AVATAR DEMANDS MORE GUNDAM 00 MANGA!
00F WAS THE ONLY ONE WE GOT AND IT WASN'T EVEN THE FIRST ONE!

Unless this is JUST North America, instead of this site only commenting on North American things...
Is there still hope for Europe?

There's never hope for Europe :(

We're lucky if we get the stuff that's popular in America, and back when I was in London it cost £6 for a single volume of manga. And that stuff only lasted about an hour or two of reading.

Having worked in Japan for a Japanese company, I can't say I'm surprised by the logic that lead to this. Living in Japan is like living in a bubble, which makes perfect sense if you grew up there, or are prepared to give your life over to social regulation.

Definitely wasn't for me. I ran back to Vietnam the first chance I got, where cheating is the first reaction, and roads are merely a suggestion for traffic, rather than the main channels.

Atleast this is not a blame piracy article like so many eventually delve into.
That was a factor, no doubt, but more in the WOW this series is defiantly not worth 130$, getting informed kind of way
Bandai closing is sad, but understandable, especially if you look at the management.
The Japanese heads were out of touch with the US branch, causing bad release schedules & high prices.
You CAN still pull that off, but only with a maga hit series under your license & Bandai lacked that sense Code Geuss ended.
Expecting to be successful by releasing products 2X the price of your competition, and at bad times/delays is just ludicrous
Hopefully Funimation wil get some of the big Licenses

Dreiko:
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They wouldn't sub it either, would they? The only thing we'll have is illegal fan subs. So unless all of these "real anime fans" are also fluent in Japanese, they're just as fucked.

Otaku World Order:

That's true. But, I do like being able to buy the DVDs to support the stuff I like. I've bought a lot of anime DVDs of stuff I already had fansubbed versions of.

This. When I go to Otakon I'll spend upwards of $400 on anime DVDs and manga. I don't buy during the rest of the year. I like to purchase a bunch of full series that I heard good things about during the year, buy them and watch them until the next Otakon. I support the anime industry!

I do buy manga outside of cons though. The mangas I'm reading are still being released and I'd prefer to have the story still somewhat fresh in my mind. It does suck waiting for 3 months for something I can burn through in an hour though :( The best thing is learning about a series, making a mental note to check it out sometimes and then forgetting for a couple years so the entire series is out. I bought the entire Dragon Head series at once. Twas glorious. GLORIOUS!

Well, thank god for the people who produce fan-subs. I'll still get my shows then.

Plus, I think Nichijou especially would lose its atmosphere if it got dubbed, the Japanese voices make it seem madder than it already is.

Ah, man. Bandai was one of the few distributors that regularly produced tolerable dubs and even produced one or two good ones. Not that I ever watched the dubs myself, but I always at least appreciated their commitment to it.

Are these the guys that handled the Naruto dub, or am I thinking of someone else. A darn shame either way.

The US anime industry is under threat not from pirates but the Japanese fear of reverse importation which has never been so easy.

LobsterFeng:
Are these the guys that handled the Naruto dub, or am I thinking of someone else. A darn shame either way.

Naruto is done by Viz

Chemical Alia:
Well, that's a shame. On the plus side, less anime!

Thats like saying "Well its a downer that games got banned, on the plus side, less games." Sounds sorta dickish.

I'd support Funimation but they failed to keep Case Closed running. DAMN YOU, that show was a combination of adorable, drama and suspense.

When I saw in the list of discontinued media "Code Geass" my first thought was "NOOOOOO" then I realized it was a manga and went "oh, phew, almost scared me there...".

An appropriate song, for this very VERY sad day.

Aprilgold:

Chemical Alia:
Well, that's a shame. On the plus side, less anime!

Thats like saying "Well its a downer that games got banned, on the plus side, less games." Sounds sorta dickish.

I'd support Funimation but they failed to keep Case Closed running. DAMN YOU, that show was a combination of adorable, drama and suspense.

Agrees with you.
This opinion is growing a bit here that is really arrogant and selfish. The "if i do not like it, it shouldn't exist" way of thinking. Why can't people that do not like a certain thing just keep their nose out of topics that they do not care about anyway. Why do people have to act like an ass towards other people's hobbies just because they do not like it. I just report post like that since it is more or less breaking the respect others bit of the forum.

By the way your last bit reminds me of why i sort of dislike Dark horse (besides releasing Oh my goddess manga for a third time, finally in the original format) canceling one of the better (in my opinion) titles 3X3 eyes(sazan eyes) not once but twice >.<

lacktheknack:

SachielOne:
Gee, Escapist, if only you'd picked up on this when I sent you a tip about it THREE DAYS AGO.

They needed an official citation. Did you give them one?

OT: Gah. I hate hearing about popular companies shutting down. ;_;

Official Citation? The Escapist? Oh sir you slay me.
On topic: Sad to see these guys go, they don't make anything I watch but at best they'll be replaced by someone who is far less interested in making proper translations. I suppose I could just be jaded, but sloppy "localized" translations seem to be the industry standard this side of the ocean.

The pain......the idea of no anime in north america......im literaly going to an anime convention this weekend :'( WHY BANDAI WHY?!?!?! JAPAN DONT MAKE ME HATE YOU!!!

Noooo! Rest in peace Bandai Entertainment. I'm pretty certain that at the height of my anime love, in the era of Toonami, their DVDs and videos were the majority of my purchases. Gundam Wing, Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne...
My heart goes out to anyone who was waiting for Turn A, I seriously thought they already had that dub covered.
I suddenly feel much more inclined to purchase some Funimation titles I've been eyeing >_>

Note to Japanese companies: Americans are not willing to pay the same price for anime as the Japanese are. The prices of our media our different and you have to adapt to that if you want to make any money in another country.

This also goes for BBC and the ridiculous prices of their Doctor Who DVDs/Blu-Rays.

Penguinishka:
Noooo! Rest in peace Bandai Entertainment. I'm pretty certain that at the height of my anime love, in the era of Toonami, their DVDs and videos were the majority of my purchases. Gundam Wing, Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne...
My heart goes out to anyone who was waiting for Turn A, I seriously thought they already had that dub covered.
I suddenly feel much more inclined to purchase some Funimation titles I've been eyeing >_>

Saddly, Bandai wasn't going to dub Turn A Gundam.

On Topic:

I'm going to miss Bandai. They brought some of my favorites such as Hauri Suzumiya, Lucky Star, My Hime, and Gundam. I just hope that many of their other stuff doesn't go out of print too quickly.

Hopefully Haruhi will still get released here in the States. Assuming they make a new season...

So... does this affect Europe? Are we still ok? Someone please let me know, I almost died a little inside when I heard this news...

Arizona Kyle:

oldtaku:
I remember their original prices being utterly ridiculous for the US market. Japanese consumers might be willing to pay $20-40 an ep for a series, but I'm not. Perhaps they lowered prices since, but I haven't been keeping track.

Ha 20.... bucks..... hold on *does some reasearch*
well not twenty bucks but hell still pretty pricey for me.... Funimation away!!!!

I swear! Freedom was like $40 bucks per volume for single eps. I remember several that were $50 for 3 TV eps which is, okay, 'only' $16.67.

Kumagawa Misogi:
The US anime industry is under threat not from pirates but the Japanese fear of reverse importation which has never been so easy.

You mean Exportation? There is a word that is the opposite of import which is export.

OT: I dont really watch Anime I read fan tranlations of mangas though.

Micalas:

Dreiko:
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They wouldn't sub it either, would they? The only thing we'll have is illegal fan subs. So unless all of these "real anime fans" are also fluent in Japanese, they're just as fucked.

Fansubs of things not licensed are not illegal actually and fansubs are often better so those real fans would strive to experience their anime as best as possible despite the murky legal waters. You don't even need to download stuff to watch it anyways and a bunch of series (bakemonogatari for example) do show official episodes online for free in Japan so it's really not any sort of moral issues we should feel wary of if they makers themselves don't mind. You can still support them too despite watching anime in fansubs, as I'll explain to the more directly-asked question of it below.

Otaku World Order:

That's true. But, I do like being able to buy the DVDs to support the stuff I like. I've bought a lot of anime DVDs of stuff I already had fansubbed versions of.

You can still do that, you can also still buy figurines and music CDs and clothes and even import the BDs from Japan. That's actually MUCH better for our loved anime since you don't give a lot of your money to dubbing companies and second hand anime peddlers who are not actually creating it but are making a profit off of it, not unlike how Gamestop takes a large portion of the money from the games they sell without making them.

This is just a hit at the convenience of accessing the material, nothing more.

The only name I recognized on that list was Gundam. I can still keep my geek card so long as I continue to state that no one's done anime right since Black Magic M66, Bubblegum Crisis and Appleseed, right?

Seeing as how it is possible to find a fansub of just about every anime ever, I don't really see the impact of this. I've also never heard of those animes, so...

camazotz:
The only name I recognized on that list was Gundam. I can still keep my geek card so long as I continue to state that no one's done anime right since Black Magic M66, Bubblegum Crisis and Appleseed, right?

You forgot Evangelion and Akira! :D

Dreiko:

Micalas:

Dreiko:
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They wouldn't sub it either, would they? The only thing we'll have is illegal fan subs. So unless all of these "real anime fans" are also fluent in Japanese, they're just as fucked.

Fansubs of things not licensed are not illegal actually and fansubs are often better so those real fans would strive to experience their anime as best as possible despite the murky legal waters. You don't even need to download stuff to watch it anyways and a bunch of series (bakemonogatari for example) do show official episodes online for free in Japan so it's really not any sort of moral issues we should feel wary of if they makers themselves don't mind. You can still support them too despite watching anime in fansubs, as I'll explain to the more directly-asked question of it below.

Actually, Fansubs are illegal under the Berne Convention of which both the US and Japan are signators. Just because it isn't litigated doesn't mean it's not illegal. It's usually overlooked due to the honor of the fansubbers dropping their work on a series once it is officially licensed. If a company wanted to take it to court, the fansubbers would lose the case.

The official "free" online showings are supported by ads. If a fansubber rips the episode and hosts it after adding subtitles, the company who was showing it for "free" is getting nothing out of it.

As for your reply to the person below, I may be wrong but I don't believe that Japanese DVDs/BDs that aren't being released outside of the country have English subtitles. I'm pretty sure the regional distributor does that.

Micalas:

Dreiko:

Micalas:

They wouldn't sub it either, would they? The only thing we'll have is illegal fan subs. So unless all of these "real anime fans" are also fluent in Japanese, they're just as fucked.

Fansubs of things not licensed are not illegal actually and fansubs are often better so those real fans would strive to experience their anime as best as possible despite the murky legal waters. You don't even need to download stuff to watch it anyways and a bunch of series (bakemonogatari for example) do show official episodes online for free in Japan so it's really not any sort of moral issues we should feel wary of if they makers themselves don't mind. You can still support them too despite watching anime in fansubs, as I'll explain to the more directly-asked question of it below.

Actually, Fansubs are illegal under the Berne Convention of which both the US and Japan are signators. Just because it isn't litigated doesn't mean it's not illegal. It's usually overlooked due to the honor of the fansubbers dropping their work on a series once it is officially licensed. If a company wanted to take it to court, the fansubbers would lose the case.

The official "free" online showings are supported by ads. If a fansubber rips the episode and hosts it after adding subtitles, the company who was showing it for "free" is getting nothing out of it.

As for your reply to the person below, I may be wrong but I don't believe that Japanese DVDs/BDs that aren't being released outside of the country have English subtitles. I'm pretty sure the regional distributor does that.

You're talking about fansubbing here, I was referring to watching something that has been fansubbed by other people, which is legal.

As for the process of fansubbing itself, I'm from Greece and I was still living there when I got into anime culture stuff and it was legal for fansubs to be made there so that somewhat colors my views of the subject. Sometimes dropping the project when something gets licensed is all that much worse for the anime. It reminds me of the big Naruto drop a few years back, the official subs sucked so very horribly that a lot of noise was made over it.

Furthermore, take notice of all the doujinshi merchandise market in Japan. Comiket is entirely based on them really. They're derivative works which is basically copyright infringement but they have always been allowed to function regardless because of the way the anime culture just is. They are not viewed as immoral or infringing because there is the mutual understanding that they are made out of the pure love of the material and the original makers are simply stoked that there's people out there willing to invest so much of themselves into these projects. I say that fansubs are identical in ideals to that and that's my philosophical image of them.

Even if the person were to watch the ads the chances of making a purchase out of them is negligible since they'd be a few countries away at least thus there is negligible losses. In fact, I'd say that the increase in worldwide consumption of Pocky or ramen is directly related to fansub consumption so it's going back to them in one way or another.

Yes, most of those don't have subs, you're buying them for the collection element, for the bonuses that come with them (figures, music CDs, artbooks, mousepads with boobs, that kind of thing) and it's not like you can't learn the language anyways. I've been studying for about 7 years now and I can even play games like FFXIII completely in Japanese now so it's a great thing if you really love your stuff. :D

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