Petition Demands Sony Reset PSN Console Activation Limit

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Petition Demands Sony Reset PSN Console Activation Limit

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If last year's PSN update turned your extra PS3s into paperweights that can't access your account, there's a new petition demanding Sony set things right.

Last November's update for the PlayStation Network was notable because it reduced the number of PS3's that could be linked to a specific PSN account. The update dropped the number down from five devices to two, a move that was largely met with indifference from the general public. Or so we thought! A new petition over at Change.org is asking SCEA Chairman Kazuo Hirai and SCEA Senior Director, Corporate Communications & Social Media Patrick Seybold.to reverse this decision because it (allegedly) turned peoples' consoles into "expensive paper weights."

Here's the entire text from the petition:

Many families purchase more then 2 PS3's and were able to fully use each console until the recent changes on 11-18-2011 stopped any activated PS3 beyond the first two from being able to download any more from the PSN. This has effectively turned many PS3 consoles into very expensive paper weights!

Currently, there are only 63 signatures on the petition, but you can head over to add your name to the list if this is something you feel strongly about. Personally, I'd like to know what number constitutes "many," mainly because I don't know of any households with more than two PS3 consoles operating on the same PSN account.

Source: Change via GamePolitics

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I see why they did it, it's a money grab. It doesn't affect me, but I can understand. If I had 3 consoles in three different rooms and wanted to have access to all my same PSN stuff on each one, I would be mad. But they are essentially making people who own more than 2 consoles purchase PSN items for each one after 2. It's a dick move. Just another way Sony is trying to "make up" for poor profit margins for the majority of the systems life.

Baresark:
I see why they did it, it's a money grab. It doesn't affect me, but I can understand. If I had 3 consoles in three different rooms and wanted to have access to all my same PSN stuff on each one, I would be mad. But they are essentially making people who own more than 2 consoles purchase PSN items for each one after 2. It's a dick move. Just another way Sony is trying to "make up" for poor profit margins for the majority of the systems life.

They did it to stop people giving out there psn account to game share.

OP I dont surport the move and i hope sony changes it back.

Can I just ask why it is such a big deal? I don't even see a need to own more than one PS3 in the first place, let alone understand why they don't just make additional accounts and just have one be the PSN download account and the rest just be for online gaming or something. I dunno. I guess I'm probably in the minority when I see a lack of reason for having enough PS3s to make this a problem.

solidsnake101023:

Baresark:
I see why they did it, it's a money grab. It doesn't affect me, but I can understand. If I had 3 consoles in three different rooms and wanted to have access to all my same PSN stuff on each one, I would be mad. But they are essentially making people who own more than 2 consoles purchase PSN items for each one after 2. It's a dick move. Just another way Sony is trying to "make up" for poor profit margins for the majority of the systems life.

They did it to stop people giving out there psn account to game share.

OP I dont surport the move and i hope sony changes it back.

I don't think game sharing has much to do with it, since getting caught doing so could forfeit your entire PSN account. It's against the rules to give out your information which can also lose you your PSN account. I still think it's a money grab... That said, I don't think many people own multiple systems, let alone 5. It's a strange policy, either way.

SilverUchiha:
Can I just ask why it is such a big deal? I don't even see a need to own more than one PS3 in the first place, let alone understand why they don't just make additional accounts and just have one be the PSN download account and the rest just be for online gaming or something. I dunno. I guess I'm probably in the minority when I see a lack of reason for having enough PS3s to make this a problem.

You may not see a need to own more than one PS3 but many people do. For example, if you have 2 PS3's you can relocate to another room without moving the PS3 itself. I have 3 Gamecubes and 2 PS2's for that very purpose. I also have two Wii's but shit you download from Nintendo is WRONGLY tied to the console so you can't share, atleast you can move your disc based game and hopefully your save to the second Wii instead of moving the entire console.

I only have one PS3 and I have to move it from the living room to the bedroom when others want to watch TV in the living room. A second PS3 would be handy but I am not that rich.

Oh and making additional accounts; the stuff you buy from PSN is tied to an account so you wouldn't have access to your stuff on a different account. As it was, you could attach (activate) 5 PS3's to your PSN account, now you can only attach 2. I think the compromise should be 3, because I remember that video about "I have 3 PS3's".

My friends keep asking if they could borrow my account. I've always said no, because to me, it's wrong. They didn't pay for the stuff. Now I'm glad I never gave them my stuff because it sounds like things would have gone badly.
I want Sony to be able to fix it to where you can transfer save data over from a dead PS3 to a new one. Not sure how that would work, but my old one died and I lost all those saved games. Good-bye countless hours of Final Fantasy XIII and Record of Agarest War. I miss you...Plus, now it sounds like if my new PS3 dies, there's no way for me to link another PS3 with my old account. Why the two limit? Three sounds like a reasonable number.

Activation limits annoy the hell out of me so i'm all in support. It'd be pretty easy to catch anyway, same account logged on at the same time in two completely different places?

Money grab.

I don't quite get it, does this affect PS3s that have been broken too? Or is it just for systems that are activated simultaneously?

Either way, I can see why people are pissed off.

I know a lot of people who own ps3's. For some reason this is one of the few areas where they're more popular then xbox, mid-westerners.
I only know one person who has 2 ps3's and that's because she and her partner are video game addicts. I do know another guy who's on his 3 ps3 because his first one an ex took with her when she left. (trust me wasn't worth going after) and the next one was stolen when he was moving. So he's probably pissed.

I think what sony is trying to stop is people 'file sharing' where they download something, give 4 friends their password and then let those 4 people download it to, switch back to their own accounts... you get the idea.

And yet I don't see anyone complaining about only being able to access their Xbox live account on one system at a time.

Who has multiple 300 dollar consoles of the same manufacture in their house? And why, beyond game sharing, would they need them? I can understand having multiple consoles for multiple children and having different accounts, especially since it's free, but other than that, why?

I can just imagine how much this has hurt Paul.

I will never buy a product from Sony and I will always try to dissuade people from buying anything from them. Half of the copyrighted content on YouTube is unavailable to my country because of those bastards, they pioneered the sneaky, possibly hardware-breaking audio CD DRM, they treat their customers with absolutely no respect and let's not forget the tax evasion "other OS" scheme. PlayStation is the synonym for console in my country, but when someone says I will buy a PlayStation I always suggest buying a different console instead. I know this turned into a rant, but what can I say, I have every reason to hate Sony and I hope that people will stop buying their products after all the times Sony let their clients down.

I really don't see the problem here, because anyone that this is affecting likely is in a much higher tax bracket than I am. It's not that they have three or more PS3s, but rather that they have a need for that many duplicate consoles(i.e. they have a rather sizable domicile). Then there's the cost of the TVs and the electric bill of all of this... I just don't see the cost of having a second account being a true issue for anyone that can afford this life style.

Then again, I'm living paycheck to paycheck while trying to get a degree and support a family in a country where my money is worth shit. Oh, and we got an announcement at work the other day that there are going to be layoffs. At which point I have no idea what I'll do since it took me 10 months to find this job.

Yeah, no sympathy here.

Much as this tries to demonize Sony, like it needs the help, I have to wonder what household needs more than 2 Playstation 3's. I guess I am kind of spoiled in not being able to afford everything possible, but shouldn't people who can afford 3 or more consoles of that caliber also be able to afford more than one PSN account? Especially as you don't pay anything for a PSN account, anyway?

I actually don't see the issue here. Except that there are way too many people spoiled out of their gourds.

Scars Unseen:
I really don't see the problem here, because anyone that this is affecting likely is in a much higher tax bracket than I am. It's not that they have three or more PS3s, but rather that they have a need for that many duplicate consoles(i.e. they have a rather sizable domicile). Then there's the cost of the TVs and the electric bill of all of this... I just don't see the cost of having a second account being a true issue for anyone that can afford this life style.

Then again, I'm living paycheck to paycheck while trying to get a degree and support a family in a country where my money is worth shit. Oh, and we got an announcement at work the other day that there are going to be layoffs. At which point I have no idea what I'll do since it took me 10 months to find this job.

Yeah, no sympathy here.

I know what you mean, I graduate with a master's degree in architecture in less than a month and I have no idea what I will do after that. I will have to go and live with my parents, because even working at a cash register or working as a janitor requires 2 years previous experience at this point and working in an architecture firm requires being a relative to the boss, regardless of experience. Oh, and in my country the rent equals the average starting wage, which is not even enough to feed you. But there is a good reason for our poverty, we are the only country in the EU that is increasing its credit rating. Go BULGARIA, the country that gets less poor while its people starve!

Are they still Sony Computer Entertainment America(SCEA)? I thought they changed that to Sony Network Entertainment America(SNEA) for convenience in that court case against console modding last year to tie the hardware to the service.

OT: I'm not directly affected by this but most changes to the EULA for Sony tend to bring a more negative experience to the end user lately.

LastGreatBlasphemer:
And yet I don't see anyone complaining about only being able to access their Xbox live account on one system at a time.

Who has multiple 300 dollar consoles of the same manufacture in their house? And why, beyond game sharing, would they need them? I can understand having multiple consoles for multiple children and having different accounts, especially since it's free, but other than that, why?

Sounds like the "other OS" debate. If you don't need a feature it doesn't mean others don't and it doesn't mean that Sony is justified in taking it away.

... It amazes me that Sony does things like this and then wonders why people hate them. Of course it also amazes me that they do things like this and maintain a customer base.

As far as the number of PS-3 units goes, I can see the problem. Plenty of families with multiple kids wind up buying multiple units so they won't fight over who gets to play, and your going to wind up with the family wanted to share an account in many cases. Let's say you've got three kids who each have one in their bedroom, and then the parents have one which they might use occasionally and also to monitor what content is in the account, that's 4 units. You also doubtlessly have situations where people might have like a home unit, an office unit, and say a unit inside of a car or RV. It all depends on how much money you have, your needs, and what's practical.

At the same time I can see how Sony wants increased control over their network, and the way how content, especially digital content, is handled by liscences I think they want to reduce the number of viably liscenced machines out there.

I mean it's nonsense, but I can sort of see why they would do it. But then again I've been gradually becoming anti-Sony since they removed the backwards compadibility from the "newer" PS-3 models. That, the removal of the other OS option, this... really I've been a big supporter of Sony's gaming since the original Playstation, but come the next generation whatever it may be I'm not sure if I'm going to invest in them given how they have been treating their customers. If I can't trust in keeping the quality of, and capabilities of my product why should I give them my money? What's more I'm amazed that they would want to backstab consumers who have bought more than two of their consoles... that's quite a bit of cash for a person to send their way.

A household that can afford 3+ PS3s should be able to afford more than one single PSN account, shouldn't it...?

How would gamers feel if their discs 'locked' themselves to your console (and perhaps one other console) and couldn't be used on any others? How would you then feel if those consoles broke or were stolen or lost in some other way and you found that your extensive game library doesn't work at all on your new console?

Because that's the equivalent of what Sony just did, except with digital stuff instead of hard discs. Digital stuff which, I might add, many people expect to only increase in market penetration in the coming years.

Gamers need to take a stand against this sort of thing.

The limit doesn't bother me too much as long as I am able to unlink consoles from PSN accounts. Is that possible?

If I've bought digital content, I should be able to use my account wherever I please. Reducing the limit to 2 is insane, considering I'm already at my second playstation. If this breaks or get's stolen, Sony is effectively stealing all of the content I've paid for.

Before the update I had 4 of 5 systems activated somehow :/

I didn't even realise that the update lowered the number of activated systems!

So yes, I'm all for this!

Sniper Team 4:
Plus, now it sounds like if my new PS3 dies, there's no way for me to link another PS3 with my old account. Why the two limit? Three sounds like a reasonable number.

You can call up sony and they will deactivate the account on that ps3.

chikusho:
If I've bought digital content, I should be able to use my account wherever I please. Reducing the limit to 2 is insane, considering I'm already at my second playstation. If this breaks or get's stolen, Sony is effectively stealing all of the content I've paid for.

Stop being paranoid for a minute, think about it and then read above.

Crono1973:
[quote="SilverUchiha" post="7.337736.13652052"]I also have two Wii's but shit you download from Nintendo is WRONGLY tied to the console so you can't share, atleast you can move your disc based game and hopefully your save to the second Wii instead of moving the entire console.

If I recall, you can save those downloads on an SD card and move them with those. I might be wrong, but I've been told you can do that.

See, I didn't think about any of that because that's never really come up as an issue for me. I really only have my game systems in my room or a room designated as a game room. That way I don't have to worry about it.

chikusho:
If I've bought digital content, I should be able to use my account wherever I please. Reducing the limit to 2 is insane, considering I'm already at my second playstation. If this breaks or get's stolen, Sony is effectively stealing all of the content I've paid for.

Just back up your harddrive for such issues and there shouldn't be any worries.

Olrod:
A household that can afford 3+ PS3s should be able to afford more than one single PSN account, shouldn't it...?

samsonguy920:
I guess I am kind of spoiled in not being able to afford everything possible, but shouldn't people who can afford 3 or more consoles of that caliber also be able to afford more than one PSN account? Especially as you don't pay anything for a PSN account, anyway?

I actually don't see the issue here. Except that there are way too many people spoiled out of their gourds.

So would it be fair if when you bought a PS3 game you could only play it on the first two systems you played it on? The fact of the matter is that I've paid for DLC for a game I own a single copy of, but I can only use it on two of my four possible systems.

I already have two PS3s, one for my bedroom and one for the living room and my wife has two as well. We'll have two in the office for multiplayer as we enjoy playing online together. Of course we can afford to buy second lots of every DLC we own, but why should we have to? Steam isn't forcing me to buy second copies of my library so I can download my games on a third or fourth or fifth PC.

Baresark:
I see why they did it, it's a money grab. It doesn't affect me, but I can understand. If I had 3 consoles in three different rooms and wanted to have access to all my same PSN stuff on each one, I would be mad. But they are essentially making people who own more than 2 consoles purchase PSN items for each one after 2. It's a dick move. Just another way Sony is trying to "make up" for poor profit margins for the majority of the systems life.

Ah yes, those millions of people who put a PS3 in each room of their house...

Anyone who does that can afford to buy each game multiple times, however I feel that Sony probably isn't aiming to make the £63 profit that is available in that niche product.

They're doing it because, I could have a PS3 here at Uni, a PS3 at home with my family, my friends PS3 in their house across the road, another PS3 for my other friend who does coursework and that guy I met once in a pub with a PS3, and we could all have one account so I get all the games I buy, and all the games that my four friends buy, and they all get the same.

Having two houses is rare but certainly possible, owning a PS3 in each house instead of taking the PS3 with you is much much rarer but still possible, not for students who spend significant amounts of time in each place, but maybe say, elite businessmen and politicians who spend half of every week in another place.

But they're fine, Sony account for them.

So what we're looking at is someone who spends a third of each week in 3 different houses and wants to use his playstation in all of them, after investing the £600 in buying not 1, not 2, but 3 PS3's, and he, I agree is burned by Sony in this

Amnestic:
How would gamers feel if their discs 'locked' themselves to your console (and perhaps one other console) and couldn't be used on any others? How would you then feel if those consoles broke or were stolen or lost in some other way and you found that your extensive game library doesn't work at all on your new console?

Because that's the equivalent of what Sony just did, except with digital stuff instead of hard discs. Digital stuff which, I might add, many people expect to only increase in market penetration in the coming years.

Gamers need to take a stand against this sort of thing.

No it's not. Once again, I see no one complaining that you can only have your XBL account active only ONE console at a time. Sony has twice that currently.

I don't get it, the only person I know who has more than one PS3 is Paul.

SilverUchiha:

Crono1973:
[quote="SilverUchiha" post="7.337736.13652052"]I also have two Wii's but shit you download from Nintendo is WRONGLY tied to the console so you can't share, atleast you can move your disc based game and hopefully your save to the second Wii instead of moving the entire console.

If I recall, you can save those downloads on an SD card and move them with those. I might be wrong, but I've been told you can do that.

See, I didn't think about any of that because that's never really come up as an issue for me. I really only have my game systems in my room or a room designated as a game room. That way I don't have to worry about it.

Yeah you can move saves with an SD card providing the saves aren't locked to the original console.

Let me just say how much I loathe locked saves.

I see why that would be an issue, what I don't see is why you would need more one PS3. Let alone three.

On one hand, this doesn't seem to be much of a problem for most customers.
Anyone who can actually afford more than two PS3s, and use them, well, is probably better off than I am.

On the other hand, this seems like a very silly limitation to implement in the first place.
Why not just check for multiple accounts being accessed at the same time?

Either way, by this time next year, I wouldn't be surprised if it's down to one account per PS3.

Oh Sony...It's like you deliberately go out of your way to fuck your customers over, even in the littlest ways. I guess it's just your way of showing how much you hate us, but still want our money.

Cause god forbid you are still young and have several friends with PS3s with the intention of accessing your PSN content on their PS3 instead of disconnecting yours and bringing it to their house. Guess you are only allowed to have a best friend in the eyes of Sony.

Its a moot point for me personally because honestly ever since the "you forfeit your right to sue us as a part of a class action lawsuit if you accept this mandatory patch to access the PSN at all" patch I have not been able to access anything Ive purchased through the PSN and as such my PS3 went from logging about 500 hours to not even logging 50 (all from Dark Souls and If not for Dark souls I would not have spent 5 hours)

So, the Modus Operandi of Sony has become "It simply ruins everything." So really none of this is a surprise. And the generation calling them on it a whopping 70 times... is completely disappointing and in no way shape or form surprising.

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