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Guilty Gear Dev Wants to Make the Games Western Devs Can't

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Arc System Works' Daisuke Ishiwatari thinks he has the answer to western dominance of the games market: Japanese culture.

Japanese developers have been largely left by the wayside this console generation. Rising development costs, along with the rapidly growing popularity of traditionally western genres are causing more and more Japanese developers to start emulating western companies rather than vice versa. In an interview with Gamasutra, Guilty Gear creator, Daisuke Ishiwatari, explained why he doesn't think that's the way forward.

"Games developed overseas have progressed massively in terms of technical skill, and I don't think there's any way that Japan can win in that battle," he said. "So I think it'd be nice if we can approach the world market in a Japanese kind of way."

Arc System Works' is known mainly for its 2D fighting games, one of the few genres still dominated by Japanese developers.

"If we don't try new things and evolve, we'll be left behind," he said. "Arc can't make FPSes or RTSes, but I want it such that the fighters we make can't be duplicated by overseas developers."

Arc System Works' Guily Gear, Blazblue and the upcoming Persona: The Ultimate in Mayonaka Arena all have a uniquely Japanese aesthetic. "The way we use Japanese culture is one of our primary weapons," added Ishiwatari.

When asked about Skullgirls, an upcoming western-developed fighting game that takes more than a little inspiration from Guilty Gear, Ishiwatari's response seemed both enthusiastic and dismissive. "I like that look a lot. I met the makers before, and while the game system is what it is, the design and characters are something I really like," he said. "The control response is a lot like what you see in Japanese games, but the fine-tuning and balancing isn't really there yet."

"So seeing a game like this being developed overseas is something that excites and even worries me a little," he continued. "We need to make games that won't leave us left behind in the business, I think."

Source: Gamasutra

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Interesting. I do like the guilty gear games. With the 2D visuals, I feel that they not only age better, but also compare better to modern games that use 3D visuals.

I love Arc's games aesthetics, they are incredibly detailed and even BlazBlue's 3D environments are nothing short of breathtaking. I'm not worried about the western developers overtaking the fighting genre, Japan is still king in this area, but beyond that, I agree that japanese developers need to put something distinctively of their own culture if they want to succeed in a bussiness predominantly western, at least in this part of the world. Japanese games are at their best when they're not making games for the west.

I thought Japanese culture was the reason western games are gaining in popularity. I mean... how many 2D fighters can you play before you get eye strain from all the flashing lights and realize you're just playing a pachinko machine with breasts bouncing on it somewhere?

Making an even more graphically intense 2D fighter with even brighter flashes isn't going to win back players. There are lists and lists of reasons why Japanese games are falling behind, but the biggest ones I can think of are impractical graphics (i.e. better suited to non-interactive movies than video games), lack of narrative cohesion, and increasing restrictions on the players - when was the last Japanese game that let you pick a race or class? That gave you places to explore on your own? That didn't fill itself up with Quick-Time events and math-puzzle mini-games?

SnakeoilSage:
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Completely agree with these points. Also add the endless rehashing that many japanese games tend to do. I stopped playing japanese rpgs and action games in general because the gameplay felt way too similar in series that were eight games or longer. This made the game play feel more archaic with every new game produced.

The same monsters and bosses were used constantly and it made any sort of unique story seem stupid when somehow the exact same monsters challenge me. It gets to the point where you can predict the the enemies, the bosses, and the story arcs. That is not a good thing.

I honestly can't say I have any desire to experience "Japanese culture" in the video games I play. Plus, that aesthetic he speaks of is the main reason I can't really stomach those kinds of Japanese games. If they're trying to gain ground in the domestic/weeaboo market, then it might be a fine idea.

Still, he's being totally nebulous and vague about what he thinks is supposed to set Japanese games apart, and I'm not sure I agree with the need for some great cultural divide in games.

So, we need more weeaboo's dominating our culture? We need more of you copy paste tripe!? I think fucking not! I like Guilty Gear, I looooooove Blaz Blue,I will suck the immortal dick off of Okami! BUT NO! We don't need 90 more protagonists who are indistinguishable from each other and voiced by the same annoying mother fucker! GO AWAY FOR TEN MINUTES! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE! (promptly shot down by Snake)

I'm sorry guys, but I used to live in Japan, and you will find few bigger history and cultural buffs for Japan than I, but that's what I am, a cultural buff, not some anime freak. I find it insanely insulting when people claim they love Japanese culture and follow it up by spouting out an anime name! It makes us look like retards!
All this idiotic anime shit has to go, it's children's cartoons that try to be big boy stories and the absolute worship people put into it makes wallpapering my room with Spongebob posters seem mature! (don't get me wrong, I'm not saying liking anime is immature, but the amount of attention we give to it, and more specifically the ones we make popular are in fact immature. Seriously, Dragon Ball Z!? Why the hell do I keep buying those games! I can't stop!)
How about when we see more "japanised" games we see more stylishness, like Okami, or more artistic story telling. How awesome would it be to have a Kabuki style game?
For that matter how awesome would it be to have a game's story delivered through opera?

I would respect japanese Culture if they didn't shove the EXACT SAME Anime-esque cliches and tropes into the characters and stories over and over and OVER. Hell, I'd be glad to see a Japanese made game in this day and age NOT star an emo teenager who obsesses over his sister to the point of incestual overtones.

SnakeoilSage:
I thought Japanese culture was the reason western games are gaining in popularity. I mean... how many 2D fighters can you play before you get eye strain from all the flashing lights and realize you're just playing a pachinko machine with breasts bouncing on it somewhere?

This would be a huge problem if Japanese culture consisted entirely of flashy 2D fighters and nothing else. Fortunately Japanese developers have a couple thousand years' worth of other material to work from.

SnakeoilSage:
Making an even more graphically intense 2D fighter with even brighter flashes isn't going to win back players. There are lists and lists of reasons why Japanese games are falling behind, but the biggest ones I can think of are impractical graphics (i.e. better suited to non-interactive movies than video games), lack of narrative cohesion, and increasing restrictions on the players - when was the last Japanese game that let you pick a race or class? That gave you places to explore on your own? That didn't fill itself up with Quick-Time events and math-puzzle mini-games?

I played Xenoblade Chronicles last week and it fit just about all of those criteria except for choosing your race/class. For that one, i'd have to point you to pretty much any Turn-Based Strategy game that's ever been released, or failing that, Pokemon.

cobra_ky:

This would be a huge problem if Japanese culture consisted entirely of flashy 2D fighters and nothing else. Fortunately they've got a couple thousand years' worth of other material to work from.

So does every other developer.

I will say this, the West is still (and will probably always be) third-rate when it comes to fighting games. I consider the Blazblue series to be the best 2D fighter of this generation.

LastGreatBlasphemer:

cobra_ky:

This would be a huge problem if Japanese culture consisted entirely of flashy 2D fighters and nothing else. Fortunately they've got a couple thousand years' worth of other material to work from.

So does every other developer.

In case it wasn't clear, i was referring to Japanese developers as a whole. i'll edit my post to clarify.

SnakeoilSage:
I thought Japanese culture was the reason western games are gaining in popularity.

extra credits did a great episode on the difference in cultures, I have to agree with this statement. The reason that western culture is popular is..because it's popular. No one can honestly say that every Final Fantasy has a different storyline.

On the flipside though, every WFPS is essentially the same game (Valve excepted)

SnakeoilSage:
I thought Japanese culture was the reason western games are gaining in popularity. I mean... how many 2D fighters can you play before you get eye strain from all the flashing lights and realize you're just playing a pachinko machine with breasts bouncing on it somewhere?

Making an even more graphically intense 2D fighter with even brighter flashes isn't going to win back players. There are lists and lists of reasons why Japanese games are falling behind, but the biggest ones I can think of are impractical graphics (i.e. better suited to non-interactive movies than video games), lack of narrative cohesion, and increasing restrictions on the players - when was the last Japanese game that let you pick a race or class? That gave you places to explore on your own? That didn't fill itself up with Quick-Time events and math-puzzle mini-games?

I tried to play Yakuza 3 once...and the whole time..

"why isnt this a movie?" because thats what it was..it was a movie with gameplay chopped in

not saying japanise games are bad Ive heardly played that many, but personally I find western games generally know how to combine the story and the gameplay

cobra_ky:

LastGreatBlasphemer:

cobra_ky:

This would be a huge problem if Japanese culture consisted entirely of flashy 2D fighters and nothing else. Fortunately they've got a couple thousand years' worth of other material to work from.

So does every other developer.

In case it wasn't clear, i was referring to Japanese developers as a whole. i'll edit my post to clarify.

I'm aware of your intent. But it's a statement that applies to every developer. When was the last time we had a game of any kind based solely on Egyptian history/mythology? Please oh please do not bring up Unreal Championship 2. I'm still convinced that entire race is ripped from Stargate.

SnakeoilSage:
I thought Japanese culture was the reason western games are gaining in popularity. I mean... how many 2D fighters can you play before you get eye strain from all the flashing lights and realize you're just playing a pachinko machine with breasts bouncing on it somewhere?

Western games are more popular because there's a hell of a lot more people from a western culture. People generally prefer art from their own culture, so it's not like this is surprising by any stretch of the imagination.

Making an even more graphically intense 2D fighter with even brighter flashes isn't going to win back players. There are lists and lists of reasons why Japanese games are falling behind, but the biggest ones I can think of are impractical graphics (i.e. better suited to non-interactive movies than video games), lack of narrative cohesion, and increasing restrictions on the players - when was the last Japanese game that let you pick a race or class? That gave you places to explore on your own? That didn't fill itself up with Quick-Time events and math-puzzle mini-games?

Being graphically intensive is not really the point of a 2D fighter. "Bright flashes", in the sense of energy beams and hit cues and what not, are there for a reason. IIRC most shooters have muzzle flash implemented, and while firing the flashes make it somewhat harder to see what you're actually shooting at. As opposed to giving you information about the fight. Long story short, 2D fighters are designed primarily for gameplay balance, graphics are an afterthought.

Falling behind, you say? Hmm, my favourite genre is the Tactical RPG. These games are almost exclusively developed by Japanese companies, the sole example of a good western TRPG is X-COM. Now consider that for a moment. If Japanese games (which is a horrible generalization btw) are 'falling behind', why would the XCOM series essentially die off, and without any other developers trying the genre? Simple: Western gamers do not like the same sorts of games as Japanese gamers do. Rather than falling behind, they're going in their own direction. You are not the target audience.

Lack of narrative cohesion a is pretty poor argument. Western games suffer from this too. Skyrim may have had an epic story but the narrative kinda falls apart when you go off to pick herbs halfway instead of continuing whatever quest line you were on. The implied tension from other character's behaviour is rather... silly. To be honest I'm not even sure if you're complaining about convoluted stories or gameplay/story segregation, both of which are hardly exclusive to Japanese games. The former depends on what the player can understand or accept as reasonable - completely subjective. The latter isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes people really do just talk and not fight at the same time, which ironically is a complaint levied at Japanese media quite often as well.

I'm not even sure where to start with the others, but as mentioned before Xenoblade covers all bar the character design one. And then I'll casually remind you about Dark Souls. And these are hardly the only ones. Typically, a game will lack character customisation when the developer feels that giving each playable character in the story individual traits that extend to their appearance and skills is more important to the story than being able to make your own character. The more diverse your character can possibly be generally means they have a weaker place in the game's universe.

... quick-time events aren't exactly a Japanese thing. And figuring out what your results of character building in games like TES could be is a maths game in and of itself.

... I may have ranted a bit.

TL;DR : You are not the target audience. Expecting you to like them is like expecting you to like My Little Pony. Oh wai-

Vault101:
I tried to play Yakuza 3 once...and the whole time..

"why isnt this a movie?" because thats what it was..it was a movie with gameplay chopped in

not saying japanise games are bad Ive heardly played that many, but personally I find western games generally know how to combine the story and the gameplay

As movies, a lot of Japanese games would make for a lot of fun to watch. As they are, they're just movies you have to pause to do chores every twenty minutes.

ResonanceSD:
extra credits did a great episode on the difference in cultures, I have to agree with this statement. The reason that western culture is popular is..because it's popular. No one can honestly say that every Final Fantasy has a different storyline.

On the flipside though, every WFPS is essentially the same game (Valve excepted)

And it's not like this trend is going to last. Japan just has to break this mold they've trapped themselves in.

cobra_ky:
This would be a huge problem if Japanese culture consisted entirely of flashy 2D fighters and nothing else. Fortunately Japanese developers have a couple thousand years' worth of other material to work from.

I played Xenoblade Chronicles last week and it fit just about all of those criteria except for choosing your race/class. For that one, i'd have to point you to pretty much any Turn-Based Strategy game that's ever been released, or failing that, Pokemon.

2D Fighters are just the most... anachronistic example. Games like Final Fantasy have plenty of flash, both in straight light, and in text. They're designed to give off the same kind of bells and whistles that your average casino (or pachinko) slot machine does.

And Japanese developers do have plenty of material to work with, so it's always a bit disconcerting when they toss all that aside to give us another cartoonish fantasy about teenagers fighting Satan, if you can forgive the degree of Yahtzee generalization in that sentence.

Nocturnal Gentleman:
Completely agree with these points. Also add the endless rehashing that many japanese games tend to do. I stopped playing japanese rpgs and action games in general because the gameplay felt way too similar in series that were eight games or longer. This made the game play feel more archaic with every new game produced.

The same monsters and bosses were used constantly and it made any sort of unique story seem stupid when somehow the exact same monsters challenge me. It gets to the point where you can predict the the enemies, the bosses, and the story arcs. That is not a good thing.

It's not a good thing no matter what culture creates the game.

*Sighs* I miss Earthbound.

CO_Fimbulvetr:
Western games are more popular because there's a hell of a lot more people from a western culture. People generally prefer art from their own culture, so it's not like this is surprising by any stretch of the imagination.

I've got nothing against art from Japan. And last I checked Tokyo wasn't exactly short on people. I will agree to a point, but I think was the article is trying to say is that western-style games are getting more and more popular in Japan with games like Skyrim drawing them in. I think after years of watching their own culture try to adapt foreign concepts to their games, they're welcoming foreign games in as well. I think this is actually a good sign, and one western audiences should be more open to. Girl With a Dragon Tattoo didn't need an American remake, after all.

CO_Fimbulvetr:
Being graphically intensive is not really the point of a 2D fighter. "Bright flashes", in the sense of energy beams and hit cues and what not, are there for a reason. IIRC most shooters have muzzle flash implemented, and while firing the flashes make it somewhat harder to see what you're actually shooting at. As opposed to giving you information about the fight. Long story short, 2D fighters are designed primarily for gameplay balance, graphics are an afterthought.

I've always found it more than a little distracting. But then I've always sucked at 2D Fighters; I never had the fingers for the mathematics of combo flow. I don't use the example as a catchall (and if it seems that way then I apologize for misleading) but since the article is referring to Daisuke Ishiwatari, I used the example he used.

CO_Fimbulvetr:
Falling behind, you say? Hmm, my favourite genre is the Tactical RPG. These games are almost exclusively developed by Japanese companies, the sole example of a good western TRPG is X-COM. Now consider that for a moment. If Japanese games (which is a horrible generalization btw) are 'falling behind', why would the XCOM series essentially die off, and without any other developers trying the genre? Simple: Western gamers do not like the same sorts of games as Japanese gamers do. Rather than falling behind, they're going in their own direction. You are not the target audience.

I liked Jagged Alliance, too.

The Japanese games are flowing in their own direction. I don't care either way; my point (and the point of the article) is that Western games are gaining popularity in Japan with Japanese audiences, and its my perspective that the reason for this is their games haven't evolved (outside of graphics) since the early 90's. The best-looking Japanese games feel more like movies, and while you can argue that's a good thing, it doesn't bring much in gameplay. Conversely, games that focus entirely on gameplay over story (such as a 2D fighter) have become so complex that they don't draw in the casual gaming crowds of yesteryear. Nintendo tried to address this and in their mad dash to innovate over improve they've created a niche that is just as alienating to the mainstream as anything else.

Frankly I'm not surprised they've taken to games like Skyrim. Ignoring the graphics or story, you can pick up and play the game with a very small learning curve involved. I can't blame them for just wanting to pick up a game and play it, and I think western games provide that niche they've been missing.

CO_Fimbulvetr:
Lack of narrative cohesion a is pretty poor argument. Western games suffer from this too. Skyrim may have had an epic story but the narrative kinda falls apart when you go off to pick herbs halfway instead of continuing whatever quest line you were on. The implied tension from other character's behaviour is rather... silly. To be honest I'm not even sure if you're complaining about convoluted stories or gameplay/story segregation, both of which are hardly exclusive to Japanese games. The former depends on what the player can understand or accept as reasonable - completely subjective. The latter isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes people really do just talk and not fight at the same time, which ironically is a complaint levied at Japanese media quite often as well.

When I talk about narrative cohesion, I'm referring to a story plot that is clearly defined, beginning, middle, climax, ending. You might wander off into the woods to collect blue mountain flowers while Ulfric Stormcloak wants you to be killing Imperials in Skyrim, but you know you're supposed to be doing it. You might enter Skyrim in medias res like every Japanese RPG and it's cousin, but you pick up on the plot of it right away - you're a prisoner of the Imperials and they're gonna execute you. The dragons have returned and you have to do something.

When Japanese RPG's tackle these situations, they can get long-winded fast. Their plots are so convoluted that they can't summarize them all in one cut-scene (or multiple cutscenes, each pushing towards 15 minutes or more in length), or are using an in-setting vocabulary that we can't relate to (the Kingdom of Golhfast fighting the Empire of Bellend in the 900th year of the Vurstharg Calendar). So rather than explain everything, the game is designed to force you forward, performing actions that make sense to the characters but not to you. It's basically telling the player that the plot is none of our business, so we never get a proper handle on what's going on or what's at stake.

I think cultural differences and localization can be blamed for some of this, but not all of it. Even if I had the right cultural perspective and spoke fluent Japanese, I think I would still find myself going cross-eyed through 30-40 minutes of dialogue or text that is trying in vain to explain itself.

CO_Fimbulvetr:
I'm not even sure where to start with the others, but as mentioned before Xenoblade covers all bar the character design one. And then I'll casually remind you about Dark Souls. And these are hardly the only ones. Typically, a game will lack character customisation when the developer feels that giving each playable character in the story individual traits that extend to their appearance and skills is more important to the story than being able to make your own character. The more diverse your character can possibly be generally means they have a weaker place in the game's universe.

... quick-time events aren't exactly a Japanese thing. And figuring out what your results of character building in games like TES could be is a maths game in and of itself.

... I may have ranted a bit.

TL;DR : You are not the target audience. Expecting you to like them is like expecting you to like My Little Pony. Oh wai-

Maybe Xenoblade does cover the character customization aspect. I haven't played it. As for Dark Souls, I will point out the game is attempting to emulate western RPG's.

It's true, games with customizable main characters can suffer from that "personality black hole" problem. On the other hand, I've yet to meet a JRPG character that has more than a passing, coincidental reason for existing in his own game. Cloud was delusional. Squall only connected through a web of unbelievable coincidence. Zidane is a construct, Tidus was just a hologram... But I digress.

No, I'm not the target audience. But that's my point. The article is referring to western games overshadowing Japanese ones in Japan. I'm just voicing my opinion on the matter as to why that is.

He seems really defensive about the current spike in popularity for western themes. I think it's more of a trend that came along with the introduction and release of Skyrim in Japan, Skyrim of course bringing interest and attention back to viking and Norse culture.

Notice how he talks about "fighting" back with Japanese culture as a "weapon".

While I think an open world game like something out of the elder scrolls but with chinese and japanese mythology woven into it would be pretty interesting - they have some cool stuff and what they could salvage from it to make into new monsters & such would be no doubt kick-ass - but he seems to talk more about entrenching and narrowing the industry's focus, which I think may be the worst move they could make in an ever-diversifying market.

Also, kind of vague. Should have elaborated on how he thinks it should be implemented. Seems like such a move would only further isolate themselves from western markets sans weeaboos.

hmmm, can't help but feel there's a lot of passive-aggressive xenophobia going on in this thread. It's kinda disturbing

Aiddon:
hmmm, can't help but feel there's a lot of passive-aggressive xenophobia going on in this thread. It's kinda disturbing

Yeah, but that's the Japanese for you.

Oh wait, were you talking about something else?

Aiddon:
hmmm, can't help but feel there's a lot of passive-aggressive xenophobia going on in this thread. It's kinda disturbing

No doubt. A lot of arguments here are hugely hyperbolic, additionally they are also quite anecdotal and selective to boot.

Arkley:

Aiddon:
hmmm, can't help but feel there's a lot of passive-aggressive xenophobia going on in this thread. It's kinda disturbing

Yeah, but that's the Japanese for you.

Oh wait, were you talking about something else?

That doesn't really do anything aside from help make his point :|

MrLumber:

Aiddon:
hmmm, can't help but feel there's a lot of passive-aggressive xenophobia going on in this thread. It's kinda disturbing

No doubt. A lot of arguments here are hugely hyperbolic, additionally they are also quite anecdotal and selective to boot.

Arkley:

Aiddon:
hmmm, can't help but feel there's a lot of passive-aggressive xenophobia going on in this thread. It's kinda disturbing

Yeah, but that's the Japanese for you.

Oh wait, were you talking about something else?

That doesn't really do anything aside from help make his point :|

I love it when people kneecap their own arguments. Too much of the Escapist community comes off as two steps away from calling anyone from Asia a Chink

Is that all?

Here ya go... just make this into a game. Don't worry about action or excitement. Just make a world and characters that you can relate to, grow with, and want to see what happens with!

Giving them all evil/sad eyes/faces doesn't hurt either when you want to break out of the same old mold.

It would have to be an RPG type Adventure as opposed to an Action Shooter/Fighter type game tho.

EDIT: This is is lie as far as I'm concerned: -'Japanese developers have been largely left by the wayside this console generation.'-

Disgaea 3,4... Lost Odyssey... Soul Calibur 4/5, Dead Rising (I think DR games suck tho), Armored Core, you really need me to list more? I can, I should.... quote me if you aren't aware of Japanese games that sold well this console...

sigh

Yakuza...

Dark Souls...

Mortal Combat... (is that American? I never thought so...)

Mutha fukin Mario Galaxies!!!!1 WHOOOOO WHAAAA!!!!

Some game called Zelda?

ect ect ect

Yeah, I'm so glad they don't have quick time events in Japanese games. SHENMUE WILL STAY FORGOTTEN FOREVER!!!

Muah-HAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa *cough* *cough* aaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Ha.

Go for it. I sadly never played Guility gear but I loved Blazblue and the japanese anime feel it had to it. The aesthetics are also brilliant and they have some pretty damn good gameplay, but please no more Noel buffing.

Dandark:
Go for it. I sadly never played Guility gear but I loved Blazblue and the japanese anime feel it had to it. The aesthetics are also brilliant and they have some pretty damn good gameplay, but please no more Noel buffing.

Yes, buff Lambda for me instead *evil laugh*. Is there a change list for CS Extend yet?

I really don't know how I feel about this thread. I largely have no opinion either way about what country a game came from. I know what games I want and which ones I will/won't buy. The genre affected my choice much more than anything else. I now have far too many RPGs which are skewing my library into decidedly Japanese (LOTS of Shin Megami Tensei, 2 Disgaea's, Agarest War, among others), but I'm waiting to get Mass Effect 3 and Skyrim. Multiplayer in BF3, Blazblue, and Assassin's Creed are eating up time I could be putting towards a single player story and an ending.

I went off topic. I've been largely ignorant of the sales flow of Japanese vs Western games (minus the juggernaut that is Call of Duty). Now that I think about it, I don't remember any recent bombshell announcements from Japan. It would be interesting to really see more culture from Japan in their games rather than some fantasy land again (much as I love them). I'm reminded of Shenmue and vaguely of Persona 4. There was one instance where you attend a festival and the girls are all wearing yukatas. It would have been interesting if that scene was expanded upon.
I agree that Japan has an iron grip over the fighting game department, but I feel that the genre will become over-saturated soon. Street Fighter 4, Street FighterxTekken, TekkenxStreet Fighter, BlazBlue CS (Extend), Persona: The Ultimate in Mayonaka, Arcana Heart 3, and Skull Girls. Half the list is Capcom, the other half is Arc System Works. Much as I love fighting games, I don't have time to learn the ones I want and play them competently while still being able to (attempt to) cut down my backlog. It's good that they're sticking to what they know, but they have to slow it down a bit.

Off topic again: Judging by the HUD, I think Persona will fell awfully similar to BlazBlue with similar "Heat" bars and a Burst Icon. I wanna see if Arc can make a game without a Burst function. It would force them to change their style and not allow combos that regularly go on for 10+ seconds.

Et3rnalLegend64:

Dandark:
Go for it. I sadly never played Guility gear but I loved Blazblue and the japanese anime feel it had to it. The aesthetics are also brilliant and they have some pretty damn good gameplay, but please no more Noel buffing.

Yes, buff Lambda for me instead *evil laugh*. Is there a change list for CS Extend yet?

I really don't know how I feel about this thread. I largely have no opinion either way about what country a game came from. I know what games I want and which ones I will/won't buy. The genre affected my choice much more than anything else. I now have far too many RPGs which are skewing my library into decidedly Japanese (LOTS of Shin Megami Tensei, 2 Disgaea's, Agarest War, among others), but I'm waiting to get Mass Effect 3 and Skyrim. Multiplayer in BF3, Blazblue, and Assassin's Creed are eating up time I could be putting towards a single player story and an ending.

I went off topic. I've been largely ignorant of the sales flow of Japanese vs Western games (minus the juggernaut that is Call of Duty). Now that I think about it, I don't remember any recent bombshell announcements from Japan. It would be interesting to really see more culture from Japan in their games rather than some fantasy land again (much as I love them). I'm reminded of Shenmue and vaguely of Persona 4. There was one instance where you attend a festival and the girls are all wearing yukatas. It would have been interesting if that scene was expanded upon.
I agree that Japan has an iron grip over the fighting game department, but I feel that the genre will become over-saturated soon. Street Fighter 4, Street FighterxTekken, TekkenxStreet Fighter, BlazBlue CS (Extend), Persona: The Ultimate in Mayonaka, Arcana Heart 3, and Skull Girls. Half the list is Capcom, the other half is Arc System Works. Much as I love fighting games, I don't have time to learn the ones I want and play them competently while still being able to (attempt to) cut down my backlog. It's good that they're sticking to what they know, but they have to slow it down a bit.

Off topic again: Judging by the HUD, I think Persona will fell awfully similar to BlazBlue with similar "Heat" bars and a Burst Icon. I wanna see if Arc can make a game without a Burst function. It would force them to change their style and not allow combos that regularly go on for 10+ seconds.

Oh God no, A lambda buff? I will be in the nuclear shelter if anyone needs me although I doubt that will offer much protection.
As for a change list there this topic...
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.338282-Blazblue-Continiuum-Shift-Extend?page=1
I would like to see more Japanese themed games as it can be a nice change from what I am used to. The fighting game genre is getting overcrowded so they may want to expand into different areas, although I agree using Japanese culture as part of the design and a selling point could work well.
Not sure what genre they could try though.

LastGreatBlasphemer:
So, we need more weeaboo's dominating our culture? We need more of you copy paste tripe!? I think fucking not! I like Guilty Gear, I looooooove Blaz Blue,I will suck the immortal dick off of Okami! BUT NO! We don't need 90 more protagonists who are indistinguishable from each other and voiced by the same annoying mother fucker! GO AWAY FOR TEN MINUTES! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE! (promptly shot down by Snake)

It's not like western games are that much different, with every second character being a bald space marine.

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I like how they shaved Mario.

I've only played one Guilty Gear game, and also Melty Blood, which is sorta similar. I was never a big fan. They felt too much like button mashers to me. However I've never been a big fan of any fighter that relies heavily on long combos. I also hate the aesthetics but I can't stand anime and anything that looks like it. I prefer the visuals in SF3: 3rd Strike as far as 2D goes, a bit less on the anime overload.
My favorite fighting game is still Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike. I am trying really hard to get into and like Street Fighter IV but the game doesn't make it easy.

Daisuke Ishiwatari, never stop being cool. Nothing out of the west could ever match the uniqueness of your fighters.

LastGreatBlasphemer:
So, we need more weeaboo's dominating our culture? We need more of you copy paste tripe!? I think fucking not! I like Guilty Gear, I looooooove Blaz Blue,I will suck the immortal dick off of Okami! BUT NO! We don't need 90 more protagonists who are indistinguishable from each other and voiced by the same annoying mother fucker! GO AWAY FOR TEN MINUTES! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE! (promptly shot down by Snake)

I'm sorry guys, but I used to live in Japan, and you will find few bigger history and cultural buffs for Japan than I, but that's what I am, a cultural buff, not some anime freak. I find it insanely insulting when people claim they love Japanese culture and follow it up by spouting out an anime name! It makes us look like retards!
All this idiotic anime shit has to go, it's children's cartoons that try to be big boy stories and the absolute worship people put into it makes wallpapering my room with Spongebob posters seem mature! (don't get me wrong, I'm not saying liking anime is immature, but the amount of attention we give to it, and more specifically the ones we make popular are in fact immature. Seriously, Dragon Ball Z!? Why the hell do I keep buying those games! I can't stop!)
How about when we see more "japanised" games we see more stylishness, like Okami, or more artistic story telling. How awesome would it be to have a Kabuki style game?
For that matter how awesome would it be to have a game's story delivered through opera?

more weeaboo's dominating our culture?

anime freak

look like retards

idiotic anime shit

children's cartoons that try to be big boy stories

I'm not saying liking anime is immature

The bias of your above post seems to suggest otherwise, in fact one could say you seem to have a fixation on anime (you know what they say, Love and hate are intimately linked within the human brain). To relieve your stress I would suggest going full on Otaku, indulge in all that you feel is wrong, pepper your wall with moe wall scrolls and buy NIS America's full library, in the end its what you truly want.

On Topic: I would agree, most of the games that I enjoy these days coming out of Japan scoff at Western tropes and styles, games like Rune Factory and Neptunia are laughed at by Western reviewers but I can't get enough of them.

While I do enjoy games from both the West and Japan, I find the comment about making games that Western developers can't sort of bizzare. If these games were only being released in Japan then fair enough, hard to emulate what you don't know, but with the other comment of wanting to approach the world market with these games it becomes somewhat counterintuitive. If anything the thing you would want is for people to play your games, like them, and draw inspiration from them or use them as the jumping off point for their own games. Sure they won't have the same access to the culture that the original games were made in, but so long as one broadens their horizons in both games and culture then they shouldn't have a problem. I can understand the worry that if we (the West) emulate their games well enough that we don't bother looking at what's being made in Japan, and as such Japanese developers have to work around these new issues rather than do what they want, but in the long run I don't buy that argument. If you want to keep up then just make games that people like to play and enjoy, it doesn't matter what design style you're going by so long as those who play it enjoy and start to follow the individual developer(s) rather than dividing it into an East and West thing.

Grey Carter:

"Arc can't make FPSes or RTSes..."

Good, please don't. You can't swing a dead cat over here without knocking over a pile of shovel-ware shooters and platforms like Steam are just dripping with half-baked RTSs. There's enough of that garbage already, spend your time and money to make something at least slightly different.

NiPah:

LastGreatBlasphemer:
So, we need more weeaboo's dominating our culture? We need more of you copy paste tripe!? I think fucking not! I like Guilty Gear, I looooooove Blaz Blue,I will suck the immortal dick off of Okami! BUT NO! We don't need 90 more protagonists who are indistinguishable from each other and voiced by the same annoying mother fucker! GO AWAY FOR TEN MINUTES! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE! (promptly shot down by Snake)

I'm sorry guys, but I used to live in Japan, and you will find few bigger history and cultural buffs for Japan than I, but that's what I am, a cultural buff, not some anime freak. I find it insanely insulting when people claim they love Japanese culture and follow it up by spouting out an anime name! It makes us look like retards!
All this idiotic anime shit has to go, it's children's cartoons that try to be big boy stories and the absolute worship people put into it makes wallpapering my room with Spongebob posters seem mature! (don't get me wrong, I'm not saying liking anime is immature, but the amount of attention we give to it, and more specifically the ones we make popular are in fact immature. Seriously, Dragon Ball Z!? Why the hell do I keep buying those games! I can't stop!)
How about when we see more "japanised" games we see more stylishness, like Okami, or more artistic story telling. How awesome would it be to have a Kabuki style game?
For that matter how awesome would it be to have a game's story delivered through opera?

more weeaboo's dominating our culture?

anime freak

look like retards

idiotic anime shit

children's cartoons that try to be big boy stories

I'm not saying liking anime is immature

The bias of your above post seems to suggest otherwise, in fact one could say you seem to have a fixation on anime (you know what they say, Love and hate are intimately linked within the human brain). To relieve your stress I would suggest going full on Otaku, indulge in all that you feel is wrong, pepper your wall with moe wall scrolls and buy NIS America's full library, in the end its what you truly want.

On Topic: I would agree, most of the games that I enjoy these days coming out of Japan scoff at Western tropes and styles, games like Rune Factory and Neptunia are laughed at by Western reviewers but I can't get enough of them.

He really does sound like one of those closeted, over-compensating, southern gay guys trying desperately to repress their urges by violently attacking the objects of their repressed affection until they explode, except, ya know, with anime and stuff.

Also, you liked Neptunia? Yeesh. I do have almost the entire NIS library and that game was unenjoyable enough to make me appreciate my time with FF13 a bit more.

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