Bioware to Fix Error-Laden Mass Effect Novel

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Grey Carter:
And with this, gentle readers, we have come full circle. Bioware is going to patch a book.

I just had a moment to let that sink in.
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This is amazing.

You know, as I've been saying since my PnP RPG days, it would be nice if in situations companies like this not only declared something non-canon, but actually instituted a recall and refund on products.

Correcting "errors" in something like this is kind of pointless, and hurts the lore and franchise. It's sort of like how companies like Palladium and WoTC/TSR/Hasbro/whever has D&D have made revisions within differant printings of the same "edition" of a PnP book, or how sometimes there will be differances between printings of a given novel. I remember actually sitting down with differant printings of RIFTs, say the main book or Silver Anniversary copy and finding other pre-Ultimate Edition copies that had differances in them. A major shock in that community came about when the now-ancient "RIFTS Japan" was released and some of the classes were listed as having special abillities referancing mechanics that were not in the game originally. Say if you had an original copy of RIFTs, explaining that some Ninja could make a dodge against ranged weapons with less of a penelty was a "WTF" moment. It was referring to the stupid addition of a -10 to all dodges against ranged attacks without the defender being able to use his dodge bonus (now infamous) that simply wasn't in the game before more recent printings and thus probably like 90% of the people were oblivious to. Not to mention how paticularly dumb this rule was to begin with, even if you understand the reasoning which is an entirely differant cup of beans.

The point is that companies need to take responsibility for the things they do, and crap printed products that do damage to an established property. Just as a toddler toy that represents a choking hazard gets recalled with a sincere apology, the same should happen to bad RPG books, or lore-destroying novels like this one.

To be honest, I'm avoiding "Deception" intenitonally, even if I don't normally read much game tie-in fiction. I would however like a side by side analysis as to whether or not this is a worse affrong to the established universe it claims to represent than the famed Harry Potter fanfiction "My Immortal" (which I did try and read... but it causes almost physical pain, I kid you not). Perhaps an idea for an episode of "No Right Answer"? Perhaps an extra long pod-cast edition featuring readings of both works one after another... the guys from Drinking games could stop by with booze to help kill the pain part way through. :)

What upset me the most wasn't the errors, it was the fact that the Executive Producer of the damn games said that he read and enjoyed it on his Twitter.

Sadness. :(

SurfinTaxt:

Crimson_Dragoon:

SurfinTaxt:

Its a VIDEOGAME BOOK, Of course its going to suck! Even if it got everything right canon wise it would still suck! Videogame books just fucking suck and it will always be that way. Just like paying your taxes

Whoa, way to generalize there. There have been some pretty decent videogame tie in books. Heck, the first Mass Effect book wasn't bad. It was a good intro to the universe even before the games came out and it gave us the backstory to Captain Anderson. And there have been other good ones too, like some of the Warcraft and Diablo books. Are these masterpieces by any strech? Hell, no! But do they all suck? No, as well.

Im sure there are some ok vg books, but why waste time reading an ok book? Go read game of thrones again, or a dance with dragons (You can tell Im a George rr martin worshipper).

VG books are terrible because they have to bring a writer in from the outside to write in most cases. They have to write in a world they didnt create, so it just feels alien

Why go read a pretty average book like Game of Thrones? Go read Foucault's Pendulum or The Name of the Rose. (You can see I'm a Eco worshipper.)

A Song of Ice and Fire books are dreadfully tedious and drones on an on and never fucking stops and everybody is an arsehole.

See how it goes both ways?

If people want to read video game books I have no problem with that, just as people are free to read tedious dross like GRR Martins books.

Reading some of those errors made, I am strongly inclined to believe that the person writing the book has never played either of the games.

SurfinTaxt:

Oh please dont think Im excusing this "atrocity" as you put it, I think book tie ins are just loathsome in general. All it ever amounts to is subpar filler, written so quickly and so lazily that they can be called nothing but a mainpulative cash grab

Have you read the previous books?
You can never make a generall statement like that without having read all tie in books that exist. I don't know what you expect from sci-fi books but I'm fine if the game tie ins aren't the best books but at least readable (which Deception isn't) and that the lore is accurate. Books can tell stories about a world in the game which the game itself can't do.

SurfinTaxt:
VG books are terrible because they have to bring a writer in from the outside to write in most cases. They have to write in a world they didnt create, so it just feels alien

The Mass Effect novels were written by Drew Karpyshyn, who is the main story writer for the Mass Effect 1 and co-writer for Mass Effect 2, only Deception is written by a different guy.
Out of all people, Drew knows best how the world of Mass Effect is, he imagined most of it after all. They are more than just filler and cash grab. If someone is interested in the Mass Effect universe I really recommend them.

That's good to know... though they should have done that before they published it. I'm surprised fans went crazy about all the inconsistencies, I like Mass Effect, but I'm not that knowledgeable about the back story, so maybe it wouldn't have bothered me... Hm. Maybe I'll wait for the revised version to come out.

I for one applaud them, though they should have been examined before the release. Still, its rare to find a company that will make such a move for its customers! Shows a good bit of maturity.

Broken Blade:
And that my first reaction to this was "Shouldn't you have done this BEFORE you published it?"

Presumably they didn't read it. They're a video game company, not a book publishers. I assume the Mass Effect merchandise is done under license by other companies. There's quite a lot of it, so it's understandable if the guys at Bioware don't have time to QA everything.

teh_gunslinger:
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haha youre obviously trolling because no one who actually read through dance w/ dragons would say that. How does it drone on and on? Things are happening all the time, the 4th might have dragged a bit, but every other book is packed to the gills with believable political intrigue, layered, interweaving sub plots, unique morally ambiguous characters, and gripping, tense moments.

Read the first book at least before making a comment like that. And no, thats different from me saying vg books suck because they are designed to suck. No one is spending more than 4 or 5 months writing these things, its like a book factory. Every game book Ive ever picked up sounds like a first draft

ChromaticWolfen:
Good to know. I had planned to buy some of the Mass Effect books in the future. Saying that I would have probably not noticed the errors. Also, that's the scariest Shepard I have ever seen.

Clearly you have never met Ugly Shepard.

OT: Well it's good to see Bioware responding to it's fanbase this way. I didn't think anyone can actually would patch a book.

Broken Blade:
And that my first reaction to this was "Shouldn't you have done this BEFORE you published it?"

"Yes, but we didn't think anyone would pay attention."

We live in an era were everything seems to be in alpha or beta or a full of "bugs" state. Everyone is rushing to get the product to the market & that's how we end up with things like this. There is no "yup, it's finished" anymore. There's only "it will have to do". Not necessarily good or bad, but just wanted to say it.

Denamic:

Grey Carter:
And with this, gentle readers, we have come full circle. Bioware is going to patch a book.

I just had a moment to let that sink in.
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This is amazing.

It's kinda funny to me, because I was just at the Doctor's office the other day, and he asked about my Kindle, which had just froze while I was waiting.

So I joked that one good thing about paper books is you don't need to patch 'em.

Apparently, unless you're Bioware. XD

There are a number of quite drastic errors, the largest of which would require the book to be re-written from the plot upwards, such a shame, I've been looking forward to this book, the other three have been amazing, even looking beyond the errors the book is lack luster

SurfinTaxt:
Its a VIDEOGAME BOOK, Of course its going to suck! Even if it got everything right canon wise it would still suck! Videogame books just fucking suck and it will always be that way. Just like paying your taxes

That's not entirely true. The book "Rapture" by John Shirley was pretty good. Wasn't amazing, but it did a fantastic job of filling in the gaps of Bioshock's story and putting more sympathy behind the characters. It's the only one I've read, but I thought it was pretty decent.

M920CAIN:
We live in an era were everything seems to be in alpha or beta or a full of "bugs" state. Everyone is rushing to get the product to the market & that's how we end up with things like this. There is no "yup, it's finished" anymore. There's only "it will have to do". Not necessarily good or bad, but just wanted to say it.

It is kind of bad when it happens with books.

Video games I can understand. They're amazingly complex, and every element of choice or freedom adds more complexity to the code. It's not a good thing, but it's a tradeoff for complexity. Now, some cases, there's no excuse. Some games are freaking unplayable, and that's wrong.

Now, books? Books are a simple matter to do things like proof and error-check. Books have not significantly advanced. An increase in errors, especially simple ones (Surprisingly common) is simply inexcusable on a basic level.

What is the alternative to patching it and why is it better?

I know the absurdity of the patching a book idea, but no action can undo the lack of quality control with this book before it was released.

The thing is what do they do now?
As much as it is an empty and absurd gesture at least it is an awkward attempt at an apology. "We fucked up! we will fix it!"

We can at least hope it will be a lesson to Bioware on how to do quality control

Sinclair Solutions:

SurfinTaxt:
Its a VIDEOGAME BOOK, Of course its going to suck! Even if it got everything right canon wise it would still suck! Videogame books just fucking suck and it will always be that way. Just like paying your taxes

That's not entirely true. The book "Rapture" by John Shirley was pretty good. Wasn't amazing, but it did a fantastic job of filling in the gaps of Bioshock's story and putting more sympathy behind the characters. It's the only one I've read, but I thought it was pretty decent.

The first two ME books were also damn good. Of course, they're still written by the head writer of the first Mass Effect game, but still.

Grey Carter:

Zen Toombs:

Grey Carter:

Thanks, man. I try real hard.

Well, I was actually sarcastically referring to Bioware, but your comment was deserving of praise as well.

Ah, sorry! I thought you were being sarcastic. Some people don't like that I usually close my news pieces with a joke.

The news you post is much better than some of the other 'contributors' around here

Patching a book...heh heh that's a good one and for all intents and purposes true. Kinda reminds me of the Family Guy episode where the FCC starts censoring "reality".

SurfinTaxt:

teh_gunslinger:
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haha youre obviously trolling because no one who actually read through dance w/ dragons would say that. How does it drone on and on? Things are happening all the time, the 4th might have dragged a bit, but every other book is packed to the gills with believable political intrigue, layered, interweaving sub plots, unique morally ambiguous characters, and gripping, tense moments.

Read the first book at least before making a comment like that. And no, thats different from me saying vg books suck because they are designed to suck. No one is spending more than 4 or 5 months writing these things, its like a book factory. Every game book Ive ever picked up sounds like a first draft

Oh, I'll happily admit that I've only read the first two and a half books. Can't bear reading any more of them to be honest.

My point was not that video game books are better (or even good). They mostly are not. Rather I wanted to show that when it comes to taste, it makes little sense to slam other people for theirs. If someone enjoys a Mass Effect book that's not really a problem. Likewise, it's not a problem that someone enjoys Martins books. To each their own.

I just don't enjoy them very much. I think there are too many better books I could read instead of spending so much time on ASoIaF. The ones I've read would have, as so much genre fiction, benefited from a harsh editor to trim out the fluff. Martin can obviously write. He just have problems stopping again. Much like Terry Goodkind and Robert Jordan. Though Martin certainly is a better writer than those two.

For the record, I've not read a good video game based book so far, but it's entirely possible one exists somewhere.

teh_gunslinger:

SurfinTaxt:

teh_gunslinger:
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haha youre obviously trolling because no one who actually read through dance w/ dragons would say that. How does it drone on and on? Things are happening all the time, the 4th might have dragged a bit, but every other book is packed to the gills with believable political intrigue, layered, interweaving sub plots, unique morally ambiguous characters, and gripping, tense moments.

Read the first book at least before making a comment like that. And no, thats different from me saying vg books suck because they are designed to suck. No one is spending more than 4 or 5 months writing these things, its like a book factory. Every game book Ive ever picked up sounds like a first draft

Oh, I'll happily admit that I've only read the first two and a half books. Can't bear reading any more of them to be honest.

My point was not that video game books are better (or even good). They mostly are not. Rather I wanted to show that when it comes to taste, it makes little sense to slam other people for theirs. If someone enjoys a Mass Effect book that's not really a problem. Likewise, it's not a problem that someone enjoys Martins books. To each their own.

I just don't enjoy them very much. I think there are too many better books I could read instead of spending so much time on ASoIaF. The ones I've read would have, as so much genre fiction, benefited from a harsh editor to trim out the fluff. Martin can obviously write. He just have problems stopping again. Much like Terry Goodkind and Robert Jordan. Though Martin certainly is a better writer than those two.

For the record, I've not read a good video game based book so far, but it's entirely possible one exists somewhere.

Sure, I get that (some) ME diehards want to continue their adventure in as many mediums as possible. To me it just waters the brand down unless its a real effort by a very talented writer. Im not slamming people, I just have hard time understanding the point in reading a tie-in book that isnt going to be at least memorable. I doubt many people reread the mass effect books.

Im actually appalled that you compared martin and jordan. When martin writes, every word has substance. Jordan on the other hand can write a thousand pages and say almost nothing.
I hope youll give the series another shot, Ill admit that some chapters can be a slog (every Bran chapter ugh), but I find that youre constantly rewarded for your persistance. Whether its the moment when the overbearing, entitled little shit prince gets gelded, or the victories of the deformed Tyrion with his keen wit, or Jon having to take the respect from his men as youngest Lord Commander of the nights watch with some no nonsense bad assery (I dont want to spoil it, but I will say he lets his men know that they will respect his authority or suffer very severe consequences, using a particularly loathsome character to set an example), the world of westeros and valyria across the narrow sea is so rich. If you dont continue, you wont get to see the landsmoot of the saltmen and all the subtle political things going on in the background, interweaving into the narrative. Im gushing I know Im sorry, but the last book was so damn good.

What is it that youre into? Do you have a favorite series that you reread over and over?

SurfinTaxt:

teh_gunslinger:

SurfinTaxt:

haha youre obviously trolling because no one who actually read through dance w/ dragons would say that. How does it drone on and on? Things are happening all the time, the 4th might have dragged a bit, but every other book is packed to the gills with believable political intrigue, layered, interweaving sub plots, unique morally ambiguous characters, and gripping, tense moments.

Read the first book at least before making a comment like that. And no, thats different from me saying vg books suck because they are designed to suck. No one is spending more than 4 or 5 months writing these things, its like a book factory. Every game book Ive ever picked up sounds like a first draft

Oh, I'll happily admit that I've only read the first two and a half books. Can't bear reading any more of them to be honest.

My point was not that video game books are better (or even good). They mostly are not. Rather I wanted to show that when it comes to taste, it makes little sense to slam other people for theirs. If someone enjoys a Mass Effect book that's not really a problem. Likewise, it's not a problem that someone enjoys Martins books. To each their own.

I just don't enjoy them very much. I think there are too many better books I could read instead of spending so much time on ASoIaF. The ones I've read would have, as so much genre fiction, benefited from a harsh editor to trim out the fluff. Martin can obviously write. He just have problems stopping again. Much like Terry Goodkind and Robert Jordan. Though Martin certainly is a better writer than those two.

For the record, I've not read a good video game based book so far, but it's entirely possible one exists somewhere.

Sure, I get that (some) ME diehards want to continue their adventure in as many mediums as possible. To me it just waters the brand down unless its a real effort by a very talented writer. Im not slamming people, I just have hard time understanding the point in reading a tie-in book that isnt going to be at least memorable. I doubt many people reread the mass effect books.

Im actually appalled that you compared martin and jordan. When martin writes, every word has substance. Jordan on the other hand can write a thousand pages and say almost nothing.
I hope youll give the series another shot, Ill admit that some chapters can be a slog (every Bran chapter ugh), but I find that youre constantly rewarded for your persistance. Whether its the moment when the overbearing, entitled little shit prince gets gelded, or the victories of the deformed Tyrion with his keen wit, or Jon having to take the respect from his men as youngest Lord Commander of the nights watch with some no nonsense bad assery (I dont want to spoil it, but I will say he lets his men know that they will respect his authority or suffer very severe consequences, using a particularly loathsome character to set an example), the world of westeros and valyria across the narrow sea is so rich. If you dont continue, you wont get to see the landsmoot of the saltmen and all the subtle political things going on in the background, interweaving into the narrative. Im gushing I know Im sorry, but the last book was so damn good.

What is it that youre into? Do you have a favorite series that you reread over and over?

I didn't mean to compare Martin to Jordan (and especially not Goodkind, he really is not good) in any way other than he, in my opinion could benefit from trimming some filler out. He is certainly a better writer than both of those. I was perhaps being a little glib. :)

And I'll also give you that most of the chapters involving Tyrion are enjoyable, as was the Ned Stark stuff. It's just that for every one of those, there are a lot of Sansa, Bran, the young girl I can't recall the name of and Daeneries. Those parts, to me are most in need of slimming down. And the you girl, who get's saved from Kings Landing, her parts are just infuriating. A lot of walking around and never getting to the goal. I know that's a way of doing it, but at the point I got to, I started feeling like Martin was just yanking our collective chains. :)

So, I guess what mostly is my feeling of it being a very uneven read. The parts I enjoy seem sometimes to be drowned under what I don't enjoy. But I guess it's a bit of a slow burner. And seeing as I bought the books I'm sure I'll get round to actually reading them at some point.

As for myself, I don't have a series I read over and over as such. Well, the Discworld books are getting worn at this point. They might fit that bill. But they are not really the same.

As for stuff like Martins books with politics, plotting, inter-fighting and betrayals I find myself turning to Herberts Dune books. The first 3 in particular. Or, and this is a bit out of left field, Colleen McCoulloughs Masters of Rome series. That one has issues of its own though.

Though now that I think about it, I have read Alastair Reynols Revelation Space books quite a few times. While not directly comparable the books are pretty complicated, having several plotlines, moving in different timelines and having characters that live 100s of years apart influence each other in various ways. I remember, when I read the first one, I had to pay attention to keep the timelines straight in my head. :)
The books also have one of my favorite characters in quite some years, Ilia Volyova, chain smoking, misanthropic and acerbic that she is.

Cripes, they can't even release a book without a slew of bugs and anomalies?

What bizarro world have we walked into where novels get published without being... beta tested?

Grey Carter:

Zen Toombs:

Grey Carter:

Thanks, man. I try real hard.

Well, I was actually sarcastically referring to Bioware, but your comment was deserving of praise as well.

Ah, sorry! I thought you were being sarcastic. Some people don't like that I usually close my news pieces with a joke.

that was a joke?

Oh dear, oh dear , oh dear.

All right, my two cents on this:

Yes, I'm incredibly pissed off to hear of Deception and how error-riddled it was. While I haven't yet gotten into ME novels due to time constraints, I do plan on getting those books in the near future because the Mass Effect series has, in my opinion, a massive potential for grand, engaging stories, not even adding how much I love the Mass Effect games in general.

Hearing Bioware doing something about fixing this piece of crap by Dietz is amazing, yet I'm still a bit torn. On the one hand, I'm upset that this book was able to slip by without any double-checking on Bioware's part and, even more importantly, that it hasn't simply been declared non-canon to the ME-verse. With the amount of errors everyone has listed, it'd be insane for this to EVER have any impact on the main plot or general lore of the universe.

On the other hand, I can understand some possibilities about why this is the right course of action: Bioware probably invested some money into having this book written, and to suddenly declare it non-canonical MUST have some implications for their image. Also, imagine how Dietz would react to this? He'd be furious that something he worked on for a video game series was suddenly declared "just" fan-art, so I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to go after Bioware for damaging his reputation. As well, I imagine Bioware DID want to tell a story that was going to tie in to Mass Effect 3's plot and didn't want to start entirely from scratch, so hiring someone else to "patch" the story is the most rational way of going about this.

Ideally, the book as it is now should never have existed, 140% without doubt. Sadly, all we can hope is that Bioware does a good job of fixing up the book and learning from their mistakes.

Not really the first time this has happened to a novelization of a Bioware game if you consider the Baldur's Gate trilogy of novels.

SurfinTaxt:

teh_gunslinger:

SurfinTaxt:

haha youre obviously trolling because no one who actually read through dance w/ dragons would say that. How does it drone on and on? Things are happening all the time, the 4th might have dragged a bit, but every other book is packed to the gills with believable political intrigue, layered, interweaving sub plots, unique morally ambiguous characters, and gripping, tense moments.

Read the first book at least before making a comment like that. And no, thats different from me saying vg books suck because they are designed to suck. No one is spending more than 4 or 5 months writing these things, its like a book factory. Every game book Ive ever picked up sounds like a first draft

Oh, I'll happily admit that I've only read the first two and a half books. Can't bear reading any more of them to be honest.

My point was not that video game books are better (or even good). They mostly are not. Rather I wanted to show that when it comes to taste, it makes little sense to slam other people for theirs. If someone enjoys a Mass Effect book that's not really a problem. Likewise, it's not a problem that someone enjoys Martins books. To each their own.

I just don't enjoy them very much. I think there are too many better books I could read instead of spending so much time on ASoIaF. The ones I've read would have, as so much genre fiction, benefited from a harsh editor to trim out the fluff. Martin can obviously write. He just have problems stopping again. Much like Terry Goodkind and Robert Jordan. Though Martin certainly is a better writer than those two.

For the record, I've not read a good video game based book so far, but it's entirely possible one exists somewhere.

Sure, I get that (some) ME diehards want to continue their adventure in as many mediums as possible. To me it just waters the brand down unless its a real effort by a very talented writer. Im not slamming people, I just have hard time understanding the point in reading a tie-in book that isnt going to be at least memorable. I doubt many people reread the mass effect books.

Im actually appalled that you compared martin and jordan. When martin writes, every word has substance. Jordan on the other hand can write a thousand pages and say almost nothing.
I hope youll give the series another shot, Ill admit that some chapters can be a slog (every Bran chapter ugh), but I find that youre constantly rewarded for your persistance. Whether its the moment when the overbearing, entitled little shit prince gets gelded, or the victories of the deformed Tyrion with his keen wit, or Jon having to take the respect from his men as youngest Lord Commander of the nights watch with some no nonsense bad assery (I dont want to spoil it, but I will say he lets his men know that they will respect his authority or suffer very severe consequences, using a particularly loathsome character to set an example), the world of westeros and valyria across the narrow sea is so rich. If you dont continue, you wont get to see the landsmoot of the saltmen and all the subtle political things going on in the background, interweaving into the narrative. Im gushing I know Im sorry, but the last book was so damn good.

What is it that youre into? Do you have a favorite series that you reread over and over?

I really don't mean to interrupt in this little thing you've got going here, but: You do realise that the first three mass effect books were written by the game's lead designer? I find it hard to believe that someone who was the lead figurehead in the creation the universe would "water it down" simply because he's writing it on pages. I'm aware Drew isn't the greatest author but he's written pretty damn good books in the past (Darth Bane novels, the previous ME books before this one)And I'd say they were hardly atrocities.

You seem like you're a pretty well versed reader and I can only assume your words/second is quite high; but I still suggest you give a few of his books a read over. You may be pleasantly surprised or you may stick to your guns.

teh_gunslinger:

I didn't mean to compare Martin to Jordan (and especially not Goodkind, he really is not good) in any way other than he, in my opinion could benefit from trimming some filler out. He is certainly a better writer than both of those. I was perhaps being a little glib. :)

And I'll also give you that most of the chapters involving Tyrion are enjoyable, as was the Ned Stark stuff. It's just that for every one of those, there are a lot of Sansa, Bran, the young girl I can't recall the name of and Daeneries. Those parts, to me are most in need of slimming down. And the you girl, who get's saved from Kings Landing, her parts are just infuriating. A lot of walking around and never getting to the goal. I know that's a way of doing it, but at the point I got to, I started feeling like Martin was just yanking our collective chains. :)

So, I guess what mostly is my feeling of it being a very uneven read. The parts I enjoy seem sometimes to be drowned under what I don't enjoy. But I guess it's a bit of a slow burner. And seeing as I bought the books I'm sure I'll get round to actually reading them at some point.

As for myself, I don't have a series I read over and over as such. Well, the Discworld books are getting worn at this point. They might fit that bill. But they are not really the same.

As for stuff like Martins books with politics, plotting, inter-fighting and betrayals I find myself turning to Herberts Dune books. The first 3 in particular. Or, and this is a bit out of left field, Colleen McCoulloughs Masters of Rome series. That one has issues of its own though.

Though now that I think about it, I have read Alastair Reynols Revelation Space books quite a few times. While not directly comparable the books are pretty complicated, having several plotlines, moving in different timelines and having characters that live 100s of years apart influence each other in various ways. I remember, when I read the first one, I had to pay attention to keep the timelines straight in my head. :)
The books also have one of my favorite characters in quite some years, Ilia Volyova, chain smoking, misanthropic and acerbic that she is.

Im not even aware of who Goodkind is (from what you said thats probably a good thing). I agree with you on sansa, she has some of the most boring pages in the book, however I still feel that there needs to be a lull from everything thats going on, and the sansa chapters are mercifully short. The Bran chapters like I said before just baffle me, it just gives me the impression that he doesnt really know where to go with it, and he knows it, hes just sort of stuck with it aat this point. As for the Dany chapters, is it the especially gratuitous nature of her story that turn you off to it? Im personally neutral on the issue of the, you know,

, it does help to set the contrast to the continents with the wild nature of the dothraki nomads and the free cities, however I feel like martin does go a liiiitle bit over board at times with the depictions.

Also, the girl who escaped from Kings landing? You must mean Arya, you dont like her? She might be a lit bit incredible at times, but by the time the 5th book rolls around, she gets a lot older and more mature. Thats the thing I LOVE the most about this series is seeing these characters I care about mature over time.

Ive read some of the Dune books, I can see the appeal but Ive never been able to dig deeper into the series. Havent read any of the first three, might be my problem right there.

Masters of Rome sounds cool. Is it historical fiction?

Ill have to check out Revelation Space, it sounds like something id enjoy.

Also if youre at all into japanese history or samurai culture, I highly highly recommend the Musashi series of books by Eiji Yoshikawa. Hes a literary legend in Japan, and the official english translation is pitch perfect. Set in Edo during the 1600s, It follows a boy named Takezo from boyhood to manhood when he is given the name musashi, through all the adventures he had right up to the destined clash between him and his arch rival many many years later.

Grey Carter:
Bioware to Fix Error-Laden Mass Effect Novel

And with this, gentle readers, we have come full circle. Bioware is going to patch a book. It's now only a matter of time before they announce extra chapters as DLC.

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So if I want to read the book in a renegade or paragon voice do I get a different ending or are we still waiting on that dlc?

I hope they just send out pages with instructions to tape this over the old original pages.

Still it is nice of them to fix it rather than tell everyone to live with it.

So how does this help the people who bought the book in the first place? Can they take it back for an upgrade?

This...this even beats out Ugly Shepard! The 'stache is the worst part! Or maybe it's that he has no palate between his nose or mouth, or the inhuman cheek bones...

Definitely more than the sum of his parts.

I am glad that Bioware responded so quickly.

I do wonder, if the entire thing will actually be a good book once all the problems with it are fixed...

Grey Carter:

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O_o

Oh God, WHAT IS THAT THING?

Therumancer:
You know, as I've been saying since my PnP RPG days, it would be nice if in situations companies like this not only declared something non-canon, but actually instituted a recall and refund on products.

Correcting "errors" in something like this is kind of pointless, and hurts the lore and franchise. It's sort of like how companies like Palladium and WoTC/TSR/Hasbro/whever has D&D have made revisions within differant printings of the same "edition" of a PnP book, or how sometimes there will be differances between printings of a given novel. I remember actually sitting down with differant printings of RIFTs, say the main book or Silver Anniversary copy and finding other pre-Ultimate Edition copies that had differances in them. A major shock in that community came about when the now-ancient "RIFTS Japan" was released and some of the classes were listed as having special abillities referancing mechanics that were not in the game originally. Say if you had an original copy of RIFTs, explaining that some Ninja could make a dodge against ranged weapons with less of a penelty was a "WTF" moment. It was referring to the stupid addition of a -10 to all dodges against ranged attacks without the defender being able to use his dodge bonus (now infamous) that simply wasn't in the game before more recent printings and thus probably like 90% of the people were oblivious to. Not to mention how paticularly dumb this rule was to begin with, even if you understand the reasoning which is an entirely differant cup of beans.

The point is that companies need to take responsibility for the things they do, and crap printed products that do damage to an established property. Just as a toddler toy that represents a choking hazard gets recalled with a sincere apology, the same should happen to bad RPG books, or lore-destroying novels like this one.

To be honest, I'm avoiding "Deception" intenitonally, even if I don't normally read much game tie-in fiction. I would however like a side by side analysis as to whether or not this is a worse affrong to the established universe it claims to represent than the famed Harry Potter fanfiction "My Immortal" (which I did try and read... but it causes almost physical pain, I kid you not). Perhaps an idea for an episode of "No Right Answer"? Perhaps an extra long pod-cast edition featuring readings of both works one after another... the guys from Drinking games could stop by with booze to help kill the pain part way through. :)

Problem with that idea is that editing a book is a LOT cheaper than refunding EVERY BOOK THAT WAS SOLD. Most games, when they are unplayable at launch don't get refunded, they are just patched. Calling it non-canon could of been done, and would of been cheaper, but than you have to explain to your investors why your not selling the book that you spent their money to publish.

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