Oklahoma Shoots Down Violent Videogame Tax

Oklahoma Shoots Down Violent Videogame Tax

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The Oklahoma state proposal to levy an extra tax on violent videogames has been defeated.

In January, Oklahoma State Representative William Fourkiller put forth an idea for a one percent tax on violent videogames, over and above pre-existing sales taxes. Violent videogames make kids fat and aggressive, his thinking went, so they should be taxed at a higher rate to pay for outdoor education and anti-bullying funds.

Fortunately, the Oklahoma House Revenue and Tax Subcommittee didn't agree and defeated Rep. Fourkiller's bill. When he was asked to withdraw the legislation, he proposed the creation of the "Oklahoma Task Force on Video Games' Relationship to Obesity and Aggression," but that idea was shot down as well.

"It was obvious that this bill singled out videogames with unfair and unfounded claims, and something needed to be done," the Video Game Voters Network said in a statement.

The bill was flawed in a number of ways, not least of which was the assumption that videogames are uniquely harmful in ways that television, movies, books and music are not, despite a complete dearth of evidence pointing to that conclusion. Its overbroad definition of "violent video games" was also problematic and would have included titles like Get Up and Dance and Zumba Fitness 2: Party Yourself Into Shape. The VGVN also noted, as did the "hundreds" of supporters it credited with helping kill the bill, that the U.S. Supreme Court has already declared that states cannot impose unique, content-based restrictions on videogames.

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Fat and aggressive? Wouldn't those two conditions cancel each-other out anyway?

DVS BSTrD:
Fat and aggressive? Wouldn't those two conditions cancel each-other out anyway?

OT: Not at all shocked, really. Still, this would have been an interesting tax, to say the very least. I would have liked to see it ruled upon as well. But then again, I like seeing SCOTUS cases more than normal people.

Well. That went well then. Huzzah.

DVS BSTrD:
Fat and aggressive? Wouldn't those two conditions cancel each-other out anyway?

How many rednecks have you met from OK? More than a few of them are big and aggressive. It's from all the beer they drink.

Since the supreme court has already covered this bullshit every politician that brings up the issue, knowing it will get shot down should have to cover all costs out of their own pockets. No wasting tax payer money and they should not get paid for time spent pushing this bullshit.

Also on a side note, I have absolutely no interest in anything the video game voters network has to say about anything at all. Those bastards at the ESA lost the right to exist.

Oh man, totally forgot about that dude. Glad to hear his idiocy's been called out.

Andy Chalk:
Its overbroad definition of "violent video games" was also problematic and would have included titles like Get Up and Dance and Zumba Fitness 2: Party Yourself Into Shape.

...I'm very curious as to how they defined "violent videogame".

he probably said "any video game is violent so we will tax them all"

Zen Toombs:

Andy Chalk:
Its overbroad definition of "violent video games" was also problematic and would have included titles like Get Up and Dance and Zumba Fitness 2: Party Yourself Into Shape.

...I'm very curious as to how they defined "violent videogame".

The best i could come up with for getting those games into the criteria is "rapid movement of the human body".

The real reason for why theyre classified as "violent" under this bill is pobably alot dumber than my own watered down reasoning.

This whole thing was funny. Everyone is in favor of a sin tax until it is on something you do.

OT: Good. What too few people understand is that another tax on something isn't going to help anybody. It's just a way for politicians to get their dirty little hands in everything.

Zen Toombs:

Andy Chalk:
Its overbroad definition of "violent video games" was also problematic and would have included titles like Get Up and Dance and Zumba Fitness 2: Party Yourself Into Shape.

...I'm very curious as to how they defined "violent videogame".

From the bill itself - "D. As used in this section, "violent video game" means a video or computer game that has received a rating from the Entertainment Software Rating Board of Teen, Mature or Adult Only."

You can just tell it's going to end badly...

Although given a look through the first few pages of T rated games on the ESRB site, every one was marked as containing violence.

I find it ironic to the most hilarious degree, that a game like Get Up and Dance, wich makes oyu do physical exercise and helps social integration, is classified as making kids fat and aggressive by this bill. xD

The rest of the legislators took one look at the outcome in California and told this asshole to shut the fuck up.

gigastar:

Zen Toombs:

Andy Chalk:
Its overbroad definition of "violent video games" was also problematic and would have included titles like Get Up and Dance and Zumba Fitness 2: Party Yourself Into Shape.

...I'm very curious as to how they defined "violent videogame".

The best i could come up with for getting those games into the criteria is "rapid movement of the human body".

The real reason for why theyre classified as "violent" under this bill is pobably alot dumber than my own watered down reasoning.

If its rated T for Teen or higher, it was gonna be taxed.

BTW, fuck the VGVN.

RaikuFA:
BTW, fuck the VGVN.

Why? Theyre the good guys.

He's moaning about aggressive video games and what not...But his surname is Fourkiller. That'd be a perfect last name for a manly protagonist. XD

Anyways, I'm glad that this stupid bill didn't go through, even if it wouldn't have affected me. Idiocy is universal.

DVS BSTrD:
Fat and aggressive? Wouldn't those two conditions cancel each-other out anyway?

I do wonder how the free to play games would feel about being taxed?

I doubt this was a principled defense of video games by the Oklahoma legislature. Most of them probably made it as far as "This bill proposes a new tax" and didn't bother to go further. That's a very conservative state, and a difficult one to raise taxes in no matter what the target.

You have to wonder what these people actually see in violent videogames? Surely, basic maths would prove they CAN'T be having that effect.

In fact, statistically violent crimes have gone down since the advent of the video nasty (the precursor to violent video games), before that it was leather jackets and James Dean.

Heh, Bill Fourkiller.

Presumably he's worried about his nephew young Bobby Quad-damage.

OT: Lets just stick a 10% tax on everything and pay off the politicians. C'mon people, be pragmatic.

Yal:
I doubt this was a principled defense of video games by the Oklahoma legislature. Most of them probably made it as far as "This bill proposes a new tax" and didn't bother to go further. That's a very conservative state, and a difficult one to raise taxes in no matter what the target.

Yep, though I am surprised that it took this long to happen in the first place.

gigastar:

RaikuFA:
BTW, fuck the VGVN.

Why? Theyre the good guys.

They are sponsored by the ESA, whom were stated to be pro-SOPA. The VGVN does seem to be spouting the opposite message, I am a bit confused, honestly.

gigastar:

RaikuFA:
BTW, fuck the VGVN.

Why? Theyre the good guys.

They supported SOPA and PIPA.

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It's just politics, Commander.

Seriously though, of course they're going to cover their asses from an extra tax, and they'll be a 'champion of the gaming community' - if it helps them. But they aren't going to pass up a chance to attack piracy and create profitable stagnation.

Courts/governments should only be allowed to govern things if they are objective, moral issues(which do not harm anyone) are subjective so this bill will never in a million years be made a law/tax

Pat8u:
Courts/governments should only be allowed to govern things if they are objective, moral issues(which do not harm anyone) are subjective so this bill will never in a million years be made a law/tax

Ah yes, but there's the rub. What constitutes a "objective, moral issue"? Not that I think morality is subjective, but too many people out there do. And really, should governments be getting up and dictating what a person is or is not allowed to do? Other than obvious things that people wouldn't allow to go on regardless, like murder theft and rape?

It's all well and good to talk about these things, but one must remember that nothing is as cut and dry as one might think.

CM156:

That doesn't say "fat and aggressive" to me. That says molestation. Lots and lots'a molestation.

DVS BSTrD:
Fat and aggressive? Wouldn't those two conditions cancel each-other out anyway?

In Oklahoma? Yes. In other states? Not so much.

Still, kudos for common sense. What kind of idiot taxes a theraputic violent video game?

Bluecho:
[ Not that I think morality is subjective, but too many people out there do.

Because it is... your morality is different from my morality, which is different from the Hindu morality.

Who's right?

OT: Is that man's name really... Fourkiller?

So, stupid americans (not implying that americans are stupid, just that there is a stupid guy who happens to be american) are still fighting the "violent games". werent they pretty much thrown down the toilet few years back already?

wow that seems like a lot of effort for a bill that didnt have a lot of thought put into it...but maybe that's just how the guy operates -lots of effort and no thought-

at least it got killed

JaceArveduin:

DVS BSTrD:
Fat and aggressive? Wouldn't those two conditions cancel each-other out anyway?

How many rednecks have you met from OK? More than a few of them are big and aggressive. It's from all the videogames they play

Fixed it for ya ;)

JaceArveduin:

DVS BSTrD:
Fat and aggressive? Wouldn't those two conditions cancel each-other out anyway?

How many rednecks have you met from OK? More than a few of them are big and aggressive. It's from all the beer they drink.

And all the McDonald's and insanely bad diet most midwesterners have. The aggressiveness probably comes from being being brainwashed by the hate filled churches that are prevalent in the middle of the country.

 

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