BioWare "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3

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Knight Templar:

Then next time do not use me to make the point if I am not related to your point.

Interesting: I didn't even quote you, so it's a big stretch to claim ad hominem.

You should take more time to consider things rather than allowing your knee to do the talking.

The Great JT:
Jesus, at this point, this isn't just a shit-storm, this is a shit-hurricane!

with shit-hail and shit-sleet...and oh my god..on the horizon is that...IT'S A SHIT-TYPHOON!!!

Still Life:

Knight Templar:

Then next time do not use me to make the point if I am not related to your point.

Interesting: I didn't even quote you, so it's a big stretch to claim ad hominem.

You should take more time to consider things rather than allowing your knee to do the talking.

You quoted somebody who was talking about and to me and what I said.

Do you not understand context?

Kazedarkwind:
i feel really bad for the writers at bioware right now, as an artist myself all i can imagine is them slumped down behind a desk hating their life cause people are practically wishing death upon them for there work. Which is one of the most heart breaking things ive seen out of this whole ending debate.

if i ever meet them im buying them a drink. They don't deserve this crap that the retakers are giving them.

Expect there's evidence that only Casey Hudson and lead Writer Mac Walters made the ending and cut the writing team out of it. Plus the Retakers sent them all 400 cupcakes. Their not bad people it's just that people focus on the more vocal and abusive of them cause it's easier to discredit them rather then look at the ones who are being rational and reasonable.

Innegativeion:

Kopikatsu:
I just want to point out that the Shepard Lives scene is part of the ending (provided that you did the right things).

Indoctrination theory is still possible.

Interestingly their response to the indoctrination theory was very intentionally vague when asked at the PAX East panel. They even mentioned that the ending DLC's "content (should) speak for itself" in the very same response.

I have half a suspicion that they'll go along with it, claim it was their vision all along, and thousands of people will justifiably call bullshit on that claim.

So OP is right. Things are gonna keep on rumbling as they've been, and with the DLC we'll see either resurgence of rage and opposition, or finally a calm conclusion to all this, depending on how competently the DLC is done.

If they take credit for it, theirs no real way to disprove them...in fact a lot of IT would help show that it was. Personally if it gets rid of the endings we have I don't care if they take credit. But I would understand if other people (the fans that put IT together.) where.

nikki191:
the mass effect controversy is a good thing. it doesnt matter what side of the fence you sit on this debate its the fact this is a debate thats lasted for weeks has consumed the net. there has NEVER been anything like this for games before and its the first time a video game IP has reached the level of star wars fandom.

like it or not mass effect has taken the step from fanboys/fangirls to something much larger. games have finally made it

really?

there hasnt been a game/franchise to earn this level of fandom?..I find that odd..then again *looks arund room... ME3 action figures, merchadice, wallposters* you may have a point

Know what is annoying? "OMG WHY WON'T THIS GO AWAY!!>!?!>!> STUPID FANOIS MAKING NOISE!"

Guess what? When something starts, and there are enough people to latch on to it to get results IT WON'T JUST "GO AWAY". Goddamned people. I seriously mean that. I mean, obviously this is a big deal if we have to start wondering "Huh, do they have a LEGAL case here?". If we can get to that point where this might be going to trail and official complaints and all that, then THIS is not going to go away, because this stuff takes TIME.

I know, hard to believe, I know. TIME. It takes goddamned TIME for things to get done, for cases to get looked through, for paperwork to be filed, for teams to work, for PR departments to scramble, for legal teams to scramble.....ALL TAKES TIME. And not just "Oh, 2 weeks is a LONG TIME". This could be a MONTHS LONG PROCESS. Don't like that it takes that long? Maybe look at the systems in place and get those to be more efficient, and then it will go faster!

Or just sit there, wondering why people are bringing up something that is at the moment being worked through in legal departments and all other sorts of processes. Complain that "OMG! WHY IS THIS STILL HERE?", and be ignorant of things taking time because the system to deal with this is slow. Personally, I hope that this brings a hell of a lot more attention to systems, and games, and all sorts of stuff. Bioware (Or more specifically some particular writers/designers) really screwed up, and NEED to be held accountable for this idiocy. If an ending can be FOUGHT over to the point where a hell of a lot of people end up on a legal side or another, then the ending is a FAILURE. When you need CLARIFICATION for your ending, that means it is a failure of an ending. Sorry, but that is just how I see it played out.

AnarchistAbe:
Congratulations! You got what you wanted, though. That's all that really matters, right? This company, that you loved so much and created a series we all love, getting hit for false advertising because you all didn't like what happened. Congratulations!

Also, because the falsely advertised their product.

Knight Templar:

Do you not understand context?

Yes. I do. And you're reaching.

Because if I wanted to ridicule anything you were saying I would have included your post. However, my post was for someone who I felt made a broader point i.e. another context.

This in effect, creates another stream of dialogue and is something which occurs all the time on internet forums and in verbal conversation.

Incomer:
This is getting way out of hand. You don't sue people for making a bad movie sequels why should ME3 be any different. And if you do sue people for a bad film then F you dude, you are the reason why we can't have any nice things.

And honestly I'm wondering how will they talk me into thinking that ending which we were given has any meaning. On the other hand I'd be probably happy with some vlogs about their thought process while they were making it (coke orgy would be crush my dreams so hard :D).

Was it bad? Yeah it was pretty god damn terrible but it didn't cause major outbreak of cancer or something, stop freaking out >_<

Ooooooh believe me if I could sue Micheal Bay for making transformers I would.

Still Life:

Knight Templar:

Do you not understand context?

Yes. I do. And you're reaching.

Because if I wanted to ridicule anything you were saying I would have included your post. However, my post was for someone who I felt made a broader point i.e. another context.

You feel he was making a broader point when he directly referenced my tastes?
You have greatly misunderstood the situation, so it is highly hypocritical of you to make associations of "reaching".

You comment was placed into another conversation, that means the present conversation dictates context, not yours. That's the entire point of using another comment as a launching point.

Vault101:

there hasnt been a game/franchise to earn this level of fandom?..I find that odd..then again *looks arund room... ME3 action figures, merchadice, wallposters* you may have a point

Heh.

I can think of a few franchises which are bigger than Mass Effect. However, I think it's a combination of a zeitgeist, the ultra passionate Bioware fans and the iconic nature of the trilogy.

Knight Templar:

You feel he was making a broader point when he directly referenced my tastes?

Yes, because your 'tastes' didn't factor into the equation.

Still Life:

Knight Templar:

You feel he was making a broader point when he directly referenced my tastes?

Yes, because your 'tastes' didn't factor into the equation.

Then you shouldn't have used a comment that was talking about them, it's just that simple.

You're talking in circles, so I assume we're done here?

Still Life:

Vault101:

there hasnt been a game/franchise to earn this level of fandom?..I find that odd..then again *looks arund room... ME3 action figures, merchadice, wallposters* you may have a point

Heh.

I can think of a few franchises which are bigger than Mass Effect. However, I think it's a combination of a zeitgeist, the ultra passionate Bioware fans and the iconic nature of the trilogy.

there was one of thease in the game store today

https://www.ebgames.com.au/ps3-156507-Mass-Effect-3-Vault-PlayStation-3

I think I need it

Knight Templar:

Then you shouldn't have used a comment that was talking about them, it's just that simple.

I've done more than explain myself on something so obvious and you have insisted on taking it personally. If it mattered so much to you, fucking ask for clarification before you bust your knee.

It's that simple.

Fantastic news that now even games companies may face further scrutiny over false advertising claims. Excellent news for the industry and great news for Gamers everywhere!

Vault101:

Still Life:

Vault101:

there hasnt been a game/franchise to earn this level of fandom?..I find that odd..then again *looks arund room... ME3 action figures, merchadice, wallposters* you may have a point

Heh.

I can think of a few franchises which are bigger than Mass Effect. However, I think it's a combination of a zeitgeist, the ultra passionate Bioware fans and the iconic nature of the trilogy.

there was one of thease in the game store today

https://www.ebgames.com.au/ps3-156507-Mass-Effect-3-Vault-PlayStation-3

I think I need it

What's stopping you?

I kinda wanted one for my PC *confession*, but thankfully I wasn't given the temptation.

Still Life:

What's stopping you?

I kinda wanted one for my PC *confession*, but thankfully I wasn't given the temptation.

nothing..I might just get it tomorrow

Ive always been a pit put off getting expensive accesors for my PS3 since its going to be outdated in a few years or less (not that Id get rid of it...Im sentimental) in this case Im willing to make an exception

plus of not it could make a nice additon to my Mass effect shine....

...............

I DONT have one of those.......

Vault101:

Still Life:

What's stopping you?

I kinda wanted one for my PC *confession*, but thankfully I wasn't given the temptation.

nothing..I might just get it tomorrow

Ive always been a pit put off getting expensive accesors for my PS3 since its going to be outdated in a few years or less (not that Id get rid of it...Im sentimental) in this case Im willing to make an exception

plus of not it could make a nice additon to my Mass effect shine....

...............

I DONT have one of those.......

It does look wicked.

I had to draw the line with the CE and the CE hint-book (amazing hardcover). Books are cool >.>

Armored Prayer:

blackdwarf:
i know i'm talking about different fanbases here and i know that the fans of ME are bigger in numbers, but why do i only hear complaining on ME3 when SFxTK did exactly the same and in my opinion much worse. they promised a feature, that would give you the ability to play with a friend on the couch the game co-op, what happened? it was only available on the ps3 version and there will be no patch to put it on the xbox 360 version or the pc version, that still has to come out.

This! This right here in bold needs to be more well known. They actually advertised this feature being in all the versions, but it wasent until after the game was released that everyone found out the sad truth.

Bioware just made an empty promise, Capcom strait up lied (maybe even tricked its audience). People should stop wasting time with this dumb case, drop it and sue Capcom who actully falsely advertised.

A bit off topic yes, but I fell gamers are pointing to the wrong developer and letting the other get away.

If you think Capcom did wrong by you then go complain about just like Bioware fans do towards bioware.

Oh yeah just so you know then you to will be called an entitled whiner and in a few weeks masses of people will call you names for not wanting to stop.

nikki191:
the mass effect controversy is a good thing. it doesnt matter what side of the fence you sit on this debate its the fact this is a debate thats lasted for weeks has consumed the net. there has NEVER been anything like this for games before and its the first time a video game IP has reached the level of star wars fandom.

like it or not mass effect has taken the step from fanboys/fangirls to something much larger. games have finally made it

Hello, Mr. Parrot! How is your owner, Jim Sterling, today?

OT:

DustyDrB:
I'm calling it: Majorie Stephens is a Mass Effect fan.

Seconded. This is impossible to prove. I'm sure plenty of people in EA would say that there is plenty of choice throughout mass effect. This is just something that the more entitled fans are using in order to claim that EA has an obligation to re-write the game the way they want. You can't tell poeople that they are legally obliged to make something the way you like it.

tmande2nd:
I see derp and straw men being beaten up.

Really I dont want a happy ending dudes.
I want one that was not written by a pair of brain damaged dribbling high school dropouts who think that depressing equals deep.

Red Dead Redemption had a GREAT ending despite being dark.
ME3 has a BAD ending even though its dark.

We were told it would not be ending A, B, and C, that it would have changed depending on our choices, and that it would have closure.

It failed in ALL of those regards, and has more plot holes in it than grade 8 fanfiction. Which is actually INSULTING to grade eight fanfiction comparing it to ME3.
If people cant see past their ad money they get from EA, Bioware fan boyism, or artistic integrity I weep for our species.

Its bad no matter how you look at. Matrix 3 bad, the ROOM bad, BATTLEFIELD EARTH bad.
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God I cant believe I ever mocked the Witcher games

I would like the option, the chance at a happy ending. Or at least one with more Sweetness and slightly less Bitterness. Like Lemonade with sugar. Yes some of my freinds/allies die. But as long as it means something we can stomach it. Red Dead Redemption Honestly I saw that ending coming. 'Outlaws to the end'. The whole game was kinda foreshadowing things. 'you can't change john.' all that stuff. Plus I didn't trust those Fed's for a minute. John's final stand was great. It was dark but it meant something.

ME3's ending means....jackshit...

*reads article*
Ha... HAHA.... AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAhaHAAAHAHAAAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!

Oh... oh... bwaha... hahahahahahaahaha.... aaaahhhh... ahhh.

Seriously though ME3 was like a 'too big to fail, but then it did' deal. The bad thing was that it genuinely was great... but then the ending. Oh the ending.

viranimus:
Uh, then the BBB is still filled with morons. This is not the first time the BBB has supported something that is completely and unequivocally wrong. Seriously there is a laundry list of instances when the BBB has put their stamp of approval on a business that within the same year that same organization is found guilty of fraud, extortion and other illegal business practices and had been for years.

So thankfully the BBB has basically no actual weight in this matter. Because this is a moronic baseless decision. Simply put you cannot claim that peoples interpretation of "promises" are advertisements. Hell there is still no evidence of actual advertisements being made that have not been fulfilled.

May I direct you to this blog post which has a wealth of such examples, most of which are far more specific than than a quick skim off the ME3 website?

http://social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/10409105/1

Choice Excerpt:

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer:
[Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] "Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?"

Hudson:
"Yeah, and I'd say much more so, because we have the ability to build
the endings out in a way that we don't have to worry about eventually
tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end
with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At
this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made
as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way
like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings
there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C
.....The endings have a
lot more sophistication and variety in them."

Shinigami214:
-snip-

Great post, really it is a class act.

Unfortunately, as it has been pointed out... if Casey Hudson promised a gold brick in every box of ME 3... but there was no agreement between parties... then it is nothing but some shit he said.

Did he lie?

Sure.

Is he liable for the lie?

Nope. Not in the slightest.

The advertisement on the website is the advertisement.

Now, as far as the unit sales of the game... 3.5 million? Fuck'ya kiddin. That's a composite brick and mortar order number coupled with digital download. 1.5 ~ 2.0 million units have moved off the shelves, leaving around 1 mil units gathering dust. The game is already in the grips of the "trade cycle", so "new" is about done.

Keep in mind, EA planned to ship upwards to 5 million units... so someone just made a 50~100 million dollar mistake with this. Weeeeeee! Watch that stock plummet. Just like I bet on this game being shit (and it is), and bet against EA's stock (and it fell), I also bet someone or some-people have gotten their collective asses ripped apart behind the scenes on this deal.

Speaking of asses.


Still a better ending... happy ending?

Still Life:

Knight Templar:

Then you shouldn't have used a comment that was talking about them, it's just that simple.

I've done more than explain myself on something so obvious and you have insisted on taking it personally. If it mattered so much to you, fucking ask for clarification before you bust your knee.

It's that simple.

I am well aware that you may not have intended to say what you did, but the fact remains you did say it, and you don't mind that you insulted me with your careless words.
Typically when you insult a person by mistake, you attempt to rectify the situation, you do not defend the statement and compound the issue.

You communicated poorly and doubled down on the mistake.

Good-freaking-lord, people, it's just a goddamn VIDEO GAME. I mean, I am passionate about gaming, and I love Mass Effect as much as the next gamer, but is this seriously happening? A month later and people still haven't let it go? I mean, I didn't like the ending to the cop-out that was Dragon Age 2, but I'm not writing letters to my congressman about it.

I mean I was a little disappointed that the big decisions, in the end, didn't matter mechanically at the end-game, but is all this really necessary? Some people people need to seriously re-evaluate their lives if the ending to a game has shaken their fragile existence

mfeff:

Shinigami214:
-snip-

Unfortunately, as it has been pointed out... if Casey Hudson promised a gold brick in every box of ME 3... but there was no agreement between parties... then it is nothing but some shit he said.

Did he lie?

Sure.

Is he liable for the lie?

Nope. Not in the slightest.

The advertisement on the website is the advertisement.

Simply because an incorrect statement is made a million times doesn't make it any less incorrect.

I'm taking the liberty to post a legal definition of the U.S' interpretation of False Advertising:

"Any advertising or promotion that misrepresents the nature, characteristics, qualities or geographic origin of goods, services or commercial activities" (Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C.A. § 1125(a)).

You'll note the inclusion of the word 'promotion' (bolded for your convenience).

This is because interviews, podcasts, sneak previews, etc. constitute promotion, which falls within the purvey of advertising activities and hype-generation that anyone selling a product propagate in order to garner interest for their product.

So yes, I daresay that Bioware/EA is liable for Casey's lie, and all those others propagated all over the marketplace.

And I think you'll find that most advertising regulatory systems in both the US and Europe will agree with me.

Ok this is just getting silly, all you people spending actual time dwelling and getting butthurt.

GO SPEND IT VOLUNTEERING.
Its gonna be a damn site more useful and clearly you aren't using it for anything more important.

Knight Templar:

-snip-

I don't make a habit of pandering to people who manufacture reasons to be sanctimonious gas canisters.

I make no apologies for the broader point I made which apparently directly involves you. So be it.

Still Life:

Knight Templar:

-snip-

I don't make a habit of pandering to people who manufacture reasons to be sanctimonious gas canisters.

Apologizing for a mistake is pandering? Being honestly insulted is creating a problem?
Suddenly you make a lot more sense,

I make no apologies for the broader point I made which apparently directly involves you. So be it.

So were you just pretending to understand what I was saying before?

So I've been trolled, great. Thanks for wasting my time, next time get your fun some other way. I should have caught on when you were arguing that comments directly referencing me were unrelated to me.

Andy Chalk:
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Reported for low post content :P. Now give yourself a warning or possibly a probation.

-flees and hides behind desk-

As for the article... Good. ME3's ending spoiled the entire series for me. May seem a little extreme saying that but it's true. I was going to replay it beginning to end probably countless times more however... With an ending like that? Whats the point?.

-Reads the following page- Seems I got beaten to the punch -hangs head in shame-

Oh for fu...

People, for the love of god, get over it.

People starve to death every day and some of you won't get the fuck over a video game ending. I'm sure it's the worst thing to ever happen to you and all, but with all the rape, murder, poverty and homelessness going on around the world and in our own backyards, you'll forgive me if I don't drop to my knees and cry with you.

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I wasn't satisfyed with the ending either, but this is a little over the top. All I want is the relays to still work and the universe to comtinue.

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