BioWare "Falsely Advertised" Mass Effect 3

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SweetLiquidSnake:

Eric the Orange:
I know you report what gets views... but GOD DAMN, can we just drop the Mass Effect shit.

sorry for going off the handle but I am more than sick of hearing about this. I know I don't have to read it, but I do see it popping up every other thread made.

AnarchistAbe:
This makes me want to scream. Entitled douchebags, all of you. No arguments, deep down you all know its true.

The Artificially Prolonged:
Mass Effect 3 fiasco sticking around like a bad rash. I was hoping all fallout over this was over.

Where were all of you on my other post? I made one pointing out that these over-entitled fans should be labeled as "Massholes" and condemned, but the entire post ended up getting flooded with Massholes butthurt about my name calling and tried to tear me a new one.

Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking this is a dead issue.

Oh yeah I remember that thread. That was the one where rather than try and defend your point or even have any kind of discussion you just said "People are disagreeing with me??? I DON'T WANNA PLAY ANYMORE!!!"

DustyDrB:
I'm calling it: Majorie Stephens is a Mass Effect fan.

well past tense maybe ;) think there an endangered species now

Batsamaritan:
I hope the fat masturbating losers that are keeping this embarrasing mess going get laid soon, they need it.

ITS JUST A GAME. THE ENDING WAS SHIT, GET OVER IT. LIFE IS FULL OF DISSAPOINTMENTS FAR WORSE THAN THIS.

Go live in iran, north korea, zimbabwe or some other shithole, spend a year there then see in the grand scheme of things exactly how life destroying a crap ending to a frankly overrated franchise is. Better yet go to a cancer ward and tell the sick people how frustrated you are i'm sure they will emathise.

sheesh... rant over.

I'm by no means a fat masturbating loser, and I fucked my girlfriend last night, and this morning before heading to work, and I lived in Afghanistan and Iraq for 8 years while deployed in the while in the army as a ranger, and yes life in a lot of ways sucked ass, but I fail to see the relevance to how customers feel cheated towards an investment(paying money for a product expecting a certain experience is an investment) Yes things are worse elsewhere but if you want to bend over and take it up the ass from these corporate dicks after failing to deliver what they advertised that's your problem. If you don't like the fact that others are complaining about thier investment, then simply ignore it. Bitching about people Bitching is just fucken retarded.

Kick ass, am I gonna get my $60 back ?

Holy shit, this actually works!? I've gotta warn Peter Molyneux!

AnarchistAbe:
This makes me want to scream. Entitled douchebags, all of you. No arguments, deep down you all know its true.

AnarchistAbe:
[many other quotes]

Zeel? Is that you? I've missed you!

Kazedarkwind:
i feel really bad for the writers at bioware right now, as an artist myself all i can imagine is them slumped down behind a desk hating their life cause people are practically wishing death upon them for there work. Which is one of the most heart breaking things ive seen out of this whole ending debate.

if i ever meet them im buying them a drink. They don't deserve this crap that the retakers are giving them.

Casey Hudson and one writer created the ending themselves with no oversight. Those are the "writers" that I have an issue with.

I do feel pretty bad for the people who weren't involved with the ending who are catching flak over it.

Oh, and these made me giggle:

The Great JT:
Jesus, at this point, this isn't just a shit-storm, this is a shit-hurricane!

songnar:
Mass Effect's story was built around irony.

Nobody got it.

Is it too late to get Bioware for false advertisement of Dragon Age 2 as well? It was a hack-n-slash/beat-em-up marketed as a fantasy RPG epic after all.

Kopikatsu:
I just want to point out that the Shepard Lives scene is part of the ending (provided that you did the right things).

Indoctrination theory is still possible.

and the fact that (upon further examination) it looks like shepard "wakes up" on earth....(concrete and such, not futureistic metal)

THATs the thing that stands out

shepards tough..but he/she is hardly going to survise the citadel exploding and the re-entry

Thank you, Andy, for providing us with an article that has brought nothing new to the table. Oh no, you guys, turns out everyone who disagreed with Retake is wrong cause the BBB office in NORTHERN INDIANA said it's false advertising.

One woman feels the "outcome" is defined entirely by 5 minutes of a 90+ hr. series, and therefore this constitutes a breach of a broadly worded advertising campaign because ALL (If my eyes roll any harder while typing this word, my retinas might detach) complaints are the same.

She hasn't answered any of the counterpoints about the "promise that our decisions would affect the outcome and the experience." Mainly, that the state of the universe is EXACTLY dependent on everything the player does, and whether or not you feel the end result of said universe truly constitutes the ending is pretty determinant of which side of the fence you're on in this debate.

I say it's high time the mods start banning anyone who starts a thread with the words "Mass Effect" in them (even if it's for 1 or 2), and any article on ME3 gets a red light unless it's something shockingly new and relevant.

Fuck me, Diablo 3 needs to get here quick so we can bitch about something else.

Batsamaritan:
I hope the fat masturbating losers that are keeping this embarrasing mess going get laid soon, they need it.

ITS JUST A GAME. THE ENDING WAS SHIT, GET OVER IT. LIFE IS FULL OF DISSAPOINTMENTS FAR WORSE THAN THIS.

Go live in iran, north korea, zimbabwe or some other shithole, spend a year there then see in the grand scheme of things exactly how life destroying a crap ending to a frankly overrated franchise is. Better yet go to a cancer ward and tell the sick people how frustrated you are i'm sure they will emathise.

sheesh... rant over.

your ranting about people ranting

seriously,

irishda:
Thank you, Andy, for providing us with an article that has brought nothing new to the table. Oh no, you guys, turns out everyone who disagreed with Retake is wrong cause the BBB office in NORTHERN INDIANA said it's false advertising.

One woman feels the "outcome" is defined entirely by 5 minutes of a 90+ hr. series, and therefore this constitutes a breach of a broadly worded advertising campaign because ALL (If my eyes roll any harder while typing this word, my retinas might detach) complaints are the same.

Let's look up what the word "outcome" means, shall we? Because it does mean "An end result; a consequence." Fancy that, the "end result" of all playthroughs being entirely detached from the individual player's decisions makes the "outcome" not "completely" dependent on the player's decisions.

irishda:

She hasn't answered any of the counterpoints about the "promise that our decisions would affect the outcome and the experience." Mainly, that the state of the universe is EXACTLY dependent on everything the player does, and whether or not you feel the end result of said universe truly constitutes the ending is pretty determinant of which side of the fence you're on in this debate.

You mean the part where no matter what you do you get to choose between (at most) three endings, which are really just pallet-swaps of each other? Yep, that end result sure does depend on your decisions.

irishda:

I say it's high time the mods start banning anyone who starts a thread with the words "Mass Effect" in them (even if it's for 1 or 2), and any article on ME3 gets a red light unless it's something shockingly new and relevant.

Fuck me, Diablo 3 needs to get here quick so we can bitch about something else.

"I don't want to hear about this stuff anymore, but I can't be bothered to not click on the links"

Talk about entitled.

Darkmantle:

this was most definitely a case of "straw that broke the camels back" looking at this as a singular incident, it may seem like non-sense, but when you check out bioware/EA 's track record lately (DA2), and all the other controversies that ME3 sparked (prothean DLC, tali stock photo) the ending being shit is what set off the powder keg.

basically EA kept playing with fire by abusing their fans, now they are getting burned for every past grievance, using the ME3 ending as a focal point.

other controversies...tali stock photo

THAT controversy was way more fucking stupid than the ending in my eyes.
"Ooo, they couldn't even be bothered to create a picture of a fucking alien whose fictional society, including their customs and biology, they made up from scratch without reworking an old photo. Shows how lazy they are..."

AnarchistAbe:
Jokes on the gamers! Now, we'll get the same exact ending to every fucking game. The safe, happy ending that nobody has grounds to complain about. Thank you, "retakers". Thank you for your entitled douchebaggery.

You have not been listening to the complaints much have you?
Or maybe you don't care, either way it is clear you do not know what you're talking about here.

Batsamaritan:
I hope the fat masturbating losers that are keeping this embarrasing mess going get laid soon, they need it.

ITS JUST A GAME. THE ENDING WAS SHIT, GET OVER IT. LIFE IS FULL OF DISSAPOINTMENTS FAR WORSE THAN THIS.

Go live in iran, north korea, zimbabwe or some other shithole, spend a year there then see in the grand scheme of things exactly how life destroying a crap ending to a frankly overrated franchise is. Better yet go to a cancer ward and tell the sick people how frustrated you are i'm sure they will emathise.

sheesh... rant over.

1. Having had sex fairly recently, I can say that it has little relevance on my disappointment with the Mass Effect 3 debacle. I'm not sure where you got the idea that sex was somehow involved in the disappointment here, but I think you might need to take a look at an anatomy textbook, since the penis is in no way involved in playing most video games.

2. Yes, there are people worse off than anyone who was disappointed in Mass Effect 3. So what? Are you saying that you never complain about anything in the world, or try to make it better, on the basis that it's not as bad as other people have it?

You never ask for a raise, because you make more than some other people, right? You never ask for time off, because some people don't get any time off.

Right?

zumbledum:

DustyDrB:
I'm calling it: Majorie Stephens is a Mass Effect fan.

well past tense maybe ;) think there an endangered species now

I'm still a fan. Ten awful minutes cannot ruin 120 (increased a ton by multiple playthroughs, which brings the total to more like 1200) hours of greatness in the series. It's impossible. Hell, I still say it's my favorite game series.

Seldon2639:

irishda:

She hasn't answered any of the counterpoints about the "promise that our decisions would affect the outcome and the experience." Mainly, that the state of the universe is EXACTLY dependent on everything the player does, and whether or not you feel the end result of said universe truly constitutes the ending is pretty determinant of which side of the fence you're on in this debate.

You mean the part where no matter what you do you get to choose between (at most) three endings, which are really just pallet-swaps of each other? Yep, that end result sure does depend on your decisions.

You mean kind of like how in your life the sole outcome is that you will be dead no matter what choices you've made in life? And yet your existence will be defined by the state of your life as it was when it ended and not just the fact that no matter what you do you don't even GET to choose your ending. Gee, sounds like everyone's life is exactly the same since we only get ONE ending ourselves: dead.

irishda:

I say it's high time the mods start banning anyone who starts a thread with the words "Mass Effect" in them (even if it's for 1 or 2), and any article on ME3 gets a red light unless it's something shockingly new and relevant.

Fuck me, Diablo 3 needs to get here quick so we can bitch about something else.

"I don't want to hear about this stuff anymore, but I can't be bothered to not click on the links"

Talk about entitled.

Hey, you're right. Lemme start a thread about something else. Oh, wait, now it's buried under a massive pile of Mass Effect threads. How sad.

irishda:

You mean kind of like how in your life the sole outcome is that you will be dead no matter what choices you've made in life? And yet your existence will be defined by the state of your life as it was when it ended and not just the fact that no matter what you do you don't even GET to choose your ending. Gee, sounds like everyone's life is exactly the same since we only get ONE ending ourselves: dead.

I can't believe I'm actually reading this argument. The game parallels real-life so that it makes it okay?

irishda:

Hey, you're right. Lemme start a thread about something else. Oh, wait, now it's buried under a massive pile of Mass Effect threads. How sad.

And that means it's going to be instantly ignored by the other people who don't want to talk about Mass Effect?

Lovely Mixture:

irishda:

You mean kind of like how in your life the sole outcome is that you will be dead no matter what choices you've made in life? And yet your existence will be defined by the state of your life as it was when it ended and not just the fact that no matter what you do you don't even GET to choose your ending. Gee, sounds like everyone's life is exactly the same since we only get ONE ending ourselves: dead.

I can't believe I'm actually reading this argument. The game parallels real-life so that it makes it okay?

Hopefully you've noticed I've highlighted the important parts. Although I should really clarify so let me add on to that

your existence will be defined by the state of your life as it was when it ended and the decisions you made throughout, not just "Oh, he's dead now, so I guess all those things he did are pretty meaningless."

In other words, if you replace "your life" with "the game's story", you'll see a reason why not all of us feel that an A,B,C ending means all of your decisions throughout the game are meaningless.

"Stephens' proclamation carries no legal weight but it'll probably make a lot of aggrieved fans feel a little better about the whole thing"

Let me be perfectly clear: NOTHING will make most of these "fans" feel better. The ones who weren't frothing at the mouth and spewing vitriol and death threats? They'll probably be fine with the DLC. But the others? The ones that were? They don't WANT to "feel better," they want to thrash, rage, whine and have their voices heard as though they were making valid points. They're the ones complaining about the FREE multiplayer DLC, they're the ones who would've complained EXACTLY as loud if there HAD been the boilerplate, straightforward ending they claim to want. They would have claimed that Bioware was just caving into EA pressure to homogenize the experience and make it as palatable to as many people as possible. NOTHING will make these people happy, and I hope Bioware realizes that.

AnarchistAbe:

dogstile:
No, they're getting sued for false advertising, not because the ending sucked (even though it did) but because the choices that you had at the ending achieved nothing. Hell, is it even possible to fail mass effect 3? If I rushed through the game and didn't collect war assets, picking the worst choices, I would still beat the reapers.

There wasn't meaningful choices. At all.

Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

I think the reason people are upset is because games are always marketing all these different options and choices, people have simply had enough of being told things and not getting them. Mass Effect is just the unlucky flashpoint that cops all this rage and hate.

Honestly I think they (along with every other company that pulls this crap) is deserving of the piles being dumped on them. You keep pissing on peoples good natures and they will snap eventually.

Personally I think its great people are complaining, it shows people wont just accept shoddy craftsmanship. Game companies now need to lift their game if they want people to buy their product. As it is with every company and industry, I dont know why game companies think they are above all this, especially as it is becoming more popular and mainstream.

I get where you're coming from though, this could cause game companies to close up and play safe. If they do then good, it will give other studios an oppertunity to rise and become great developers.

Disagree with the entitlement thing though, if someone advertises something and you dont get it (and this is hardly an isolated incident) then it is your duty as a consumer to complain, cant have progress without a few bruised ego's unfortunately :/

irishda:
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I understand what you mean now. But "decisions affecting who we were" is not going to cut for some people because it doesn't have consequences. To me and them, a monumental build-up resulting in nothing is something that a movie can accomplish without the five years of waiting.

Undeadpool:

Let me be perfectly clear: NOTHING will make most of these "fans" feel better. The ones who weren't frothing at the mouth and spewing vitriol and death threats?

Oh, Oh, that's me!

They'll probably be fine with the DLC.

I am not. The lack of closure with the ending is a problem, a big one. Not resolving the tension is part of what makes the ending, not really and ending. Fixing this is a step in the right direction.
But its only part of the problem, the problem is large and since we are about to be given more of the broken endings the problem may even grow. That would be bad.

aaaaargh! i'm just so sick of hearing about this!
the ending was fucking terrible. a criminal piece of design slip-up, yes! fine! it's a historical fact now!
can we leave now? the game's over, the trilogy is over, maybe after seeing that ending, you won't get to tell your kids about mass effect in the same light as you had envisioned you would. but it's done! it's over!
be mad, yeah! be mad! but stop... fucking... WHINING!!!!!

This is years of pent up frustration with game devs finally coming to a head. It's finally happened: promises were made, then broken- and people will not accept it. Period. They want restitution.

And honestly? Good for them. Maybe if everyone remembers how high their standards were at the end of Retake ME we'll see a marked improvement in the quality of games and PR with gamers.

AnarchistAbe:

Congratulations! You got what you wanted, though. That's all that really matters, right? This company, that you loved so much and created a series we all love, getting hit for false advertising because you all didn't like what happened. Congratulations!

Or, you know; getting hit for false advertising because they lied in their advertisements about their product?

on one hand, I rage about the ending being just color filters in terms of "dynamic differences" when making choices...

I wanted to say to all who flamed about my statement "wow... looks like GoW, where is the story part of this game? what happens to characters? like mass2? from the trailer, I think it's going to be action packed, but less story driven, and from the grim of the whole look, and theme, I assumed it will have a rushed ending as well..." I just want to be nice and say "I told you so..." but that's besides the point...

EA/Bioware said not long ago, a new sets of ending is on the way... we should just be patience and wait for it, I think the rage was answered... I thik we should just let the guys in Bioware work it out, and we will see in few months...

Extended Cut DLC: An entire extra 25 seconds of red, green, or blue.

Problem?

AnarchistAbe:

dogstile:
No, they're getting sued for false advertising, not because the ending sucked (even though it did) but because the choices that you had at the ending achieved nothing. Hell, is it even possible to fail mass effect 3? If I rushed through the game and didn't collect war assets, picking the worst choices, I would still beat the reapers.

There wasn't meaningful choices. At all.

Do you REALLY feel they deserved this? Games marketing ALWAYS promises more than the game could deliver. Why is Bioware being singled out?

"That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."

There's a big difference between this and "our game is going to be really long and awesome and deliver in a way that none other have." One is fluff, the other is false advertising. For cases where marketing DOES straight-up lie, they should be called out just like Bioware is.

punipunipyo:
on one hand, I rage about the ending being just color filters in terms of "dynamic differences" when making choices...

I wanted to say to all who flamed about my statement "wow... looks like GoW, where is the story part of this game? what happens to characters? like mass2? from the trailer, I think it's going to be action packed, but less story driven, and from the grim of the whole look, and theme, I assumed it will have a rushed ending as well..." I just want to be nice and say "I told you so..." but that's besides the point...

EA/Bioware said not long ago, a new sets of ending is on the way... we should just be patience and wait for it, I think the rage was answered... I thik we should just let the guys in Bioware work it out, and we will see in few months...

It's not a new set of endings, though. It's the same ending, but with a couple of extra scenes to "clarify" some things. The actual problem (the ending being nonsensical and shitty) can't be solved with extra clarification unless you make it based on the indoctrination theory.

Hey Andy, why didn't you call Stephens a whiny entitled ****? Isn't that par for the course with these articles?

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lol, now this made my day. if this takes action, it would make my year.
false advertising indeed. A,B or C. wow, thats what i really wanted in ME3. just give us an ending were all our decisions dint matter.
i still have a problem with this extended ending DLC. i want this stupid brat kid out. like he never existed.

Knight Templar:

Undeadpool:

Let me be perfectly clear: NOTHING will make most of these "fans" feel better. The ones who weren't frothing at the mouth and spewing vitriol and death threats?

Oh, Oh, that's me!

They'll probably be fine with the DLC.

I am not. The lack of closure with the ending is a problem, a big one. Not resolving the tension is part of what makes the ending, not really and ending. Fixing this is a step in the right direction.
But its only part of the problem, the problem is large and since we are about to be given more of the broken endings the problem may even grow. That would be bad.

Hence why I included the qualifier "Probably." Also the ending wasn't "broken," it was classic, high science fiction. If that's not to your taste, that's one thing, but in no way was it "broken."

twiceworn:

you said something you knew would upset people in as insulting a way as possible in a thread that's about a legal FACT.

No.

What has been presented is a glorified blog where a member of the BBB has merely chimed their opinion.

It only becomes a legal fact if ever there is a trial -- and there has been no talk of a trial. The foundation of the matter is shaky at best because the definition of 'meaningful' has displayed a great diversity of interpretation. Furthermore, this is assuming the courts don't throw it out (due to it being rather frivolous) after the case spends a couple of years in legal limbo.

Eric the Orange:
I know you report what gets views... but GOD DAMN, can we just drop the Mass Effect shit.

sorry for going off the handle but I am more than sick of hearing about this. I know I don't have to read it, but I do see it popping up every other thread made.

Agreed. It'll be years before I even think about getting into the Mass Effect series just because all this whining about it has made me sick of it.

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