Tekken Boss Would Rather Quit Than Sell Characters

Tekken Boss Would Rather Quit Than Sell Characters

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The core Tekken experience will remain free to all players.

Katsuhiro Harada, the lead producer of the Tekken franchise, has stated that he would strongly consider leaving Namco Bandai rather than adding characters as paid DLC.

Central to Harada's design philosophy is the idea that everything core to the Tekken Tag Tournament 2 experience should be available for free. "Regarding techniques, characters and stages," he told Eurogamer, "these three things won't be charged for, even if they are DLC." Even characters available as pre-order bonuses will be opened up as free DLC a couple of months after the release of the game. For this reason, he says, some amount of on-disc DLC will be present for technical reasons, so that players who have unlocked certain characters can easily play against those who haven't. He feels, though, that this shouldn't be an issue as all the content will become freely available anyway.

This stance against paid content puts Harada at odds with publishers, who he says continually ask him how they can make more money out of the series. The solution, in his eyes, is to have payable cosmetic features. For instance, fan demand for retro soundtracks and old ending cutscenes has been high, and Harada says that these would be items he'd be willing to offer for sale. He is unwavering in his resolve when it comes to characters, though, saying that "If I was given the choice to include paid DLC or quit Namco, I would maybe quit... Or maybe I would just say 'get someone else to deal with this.'"

In an industry where more and more content is being set aside to be sold as add-ons at a later date, it's refreshing to see a producer so staunchly defending the integrity of his game's core mechanics, especially in a genre where having all players on a level field is so key.

Source: Eurogamer

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Oh look boys and girls, it's the elusive integrity! You hardly ever see those out in the wild.

When's the next flight to Japan? This man deserves a handshake for standing up to that bullshit.

This is a refreshing turn from most other developers and publishers that would much rather sell you a large part of the game for 60 dollars and then sell you the rest piece mail over time in little 5-20 dollar portions.

This just in. Tekken boss fired, Namco Bandai set to release DLC characters next week.

Now, this above scenario wouldn't surprise me at all D:

Ralphfromdk:
This just in. Tekken boss fired, Namco Bandai set to release DLC characters next week.

Now, this above scenario wouldn't surprise me at all D:

Same here, Namco would pull this shit if they could. And the neckbeards will still buy it.

It warms my heart knowing this guy is working on the new Smash Bros game...
now to balance that unchecked happiness with a bit of cynicism: so, how long until the suits fire him?

Oh no please don't let this end up in another Resident Evil 4/Shinji Mikami incident.

I have no interest in Tekken. None at all. That said, if he manages to convince the studio to go through with this, I will likely buy a copy and send a letter to the company letting them know why I did. Will it ultimately matter in the long run? Probably not. But it will allow me to feel smugly superior for supporting a cause I believe in, and that's worth it.

I don't believe him.

There's a good chance that this Tekken will be free of DLC characters, but I highly doubt that the series won't eventually come to that. It's just the way the wind is blowing in the industry these days.

My experience with Tekken is almost entirely limited to watching the Bob-fest on the Evo 2011 stream. I think it goes without saying that did not predispose me to liking the franchise, but this story helps.

props to him o.O esp in the face of the bosses who're gonna be crunching the numbers =.=

Capcom, are you reading this?

Well, probably not. This is a forum on the Escapist. And you're a Japanese company that thinks people love Resident Evil's story so much it needs 4 hours of cutscenes, and apparently nobody would buy Mega Man Legends 3...

Still, Harada... I want to e-mail him a Christmas ham or something. This guy's philosophy on fighting games is just so PERFECT, I can't help but think Namco will want him fired as soon as possible.

*knocks on wood*

PureIrony:
I don't believe him.

There's a good chance that this Tekken will be free of DLC characters, but I highly doubt that the series won't eventually come to that. It's just the way the wind is blowing in the industry these days.

The wind is certainly blowing that way, but Tekken is a huge franchise, if it can make money in other ways then it might begin to change things (at least as far as fighting games are considered).

While not a fighting game, DotA2 is pushing the same philosophy, which is a nice change from LoL, HoN, Bloodline Champs, etc etc.

So there are enough important figures at least trying to stop the current industry trends.

JezWilkinson:
The core Tekken experience will remain free to all players.

On Gamestop.com preordering this game costs $60. Can we strive for a little more clarity? I know perfectly well what you meant but lately the definition of 'free' seems to be a product that costs any amount of money whatsoever. Am I being obnoxious? I know in this instance people are not likely to be misled, I just don't think it's a good idea to let ambiguity and misdirection reign.

Yes, Harada-san, we get it. We all (Tekken fans, anyway) love you and want your man-babies.

Just leave enough kickass alternate costume options in the core game and we'll be golden.

On a slightly different note, though, it may very well come to a point where this DLC shit gets phased out of fighting games. I'm not exactly counting on it, but given the poor reception of Street Fighter X Tekken due to the bullshit business practices employed alongside it, I think there's a small chance that fighting game developers may reconsider the notion of paid character DLC.

Can't speak for other genres, though. Aren't those Call of Duty and Battlefield paid subscription thingies making loads of money?

Yeah, we're fucked.

mindlesspuppet:

PureIrony:
I don't believe him.

There's a good chance that this Tekken will be free of DLC characters, but I highly doubt that the series won't eventually come to that. It's just the way the wind is blowing in the industry these days.

The wind is certainly blowing that way, but Tekken is a huge franchise, if it can make money in other ways then it might begin to change things (at least as far as fighting games are considered).

While not a fighting game, DotA2 is pushing the same philosophy, which is a nice change from LoL, HoN, Bloodline Champs, etc etc.

So there are enough important figures at least trying to stop the current industry trends.

I don't mean to be overly pessimistic. It just seems logical to me; companies are, presumably, making money off of DLC like that. Companies are always looking to maximize profits, and I don't think this kind of DLC would hurt Namco's image enough that they wouldn't consider it. Game publishers don't seem to care much about their image these days anyway.

Great, another game no one will be able to fully enjoy if they come across it in ten years time. If the DLC is free, why bother at all? Why not just start work on the next game immediately and make sure the game you've just released is actually enjoyable enough to keep us happy till it's sequel is released?

Rooster Cogburn:

JezWilkinson:
The core Tekken experience will remain free to all players.

On Gamestop.com preordering this game costs $60. Can we strive for a little more clarity? I know perfectly well what you meant but lately the definition of 'free' seems to be a product that costs any amount of money whatsoever. Am I being obnoxious? I know in this instance people are not likely to be misled, I just don't think it's a good idea to let ambiguity and misdirection reign.

Not Obnoxious, just Pedantic.

ScruffyMcBalls:
Great, another game no one will be able to fully enjoy if they come across it in ten years time. If the DLC is free, why bother at all? Why not just start work on the next game immediately and make sure the game you've just released is actually enjoyable enough to keep us happy till it's sequel is released?

The exact same thing most of the games I own with tons of DLC do.

Remarkable.

I'm surprised by this show of integrity, I may have to buy the new tekken on principle now :p

theultimateend:

Rooster Cogburn:

JezWilkinson:
The core Tekken experience will remain free to all players.

On Gamestop.com preordering this game costs $60. Can we strive for a little more clarity? I know perfectly well what you meant but lately the definition of 'free' seems to be a product that costs any amount of money whatsoever. Am I being obnoxious? I know in this instance people are not likely to be misled, I just don't think it's a good idea to let ambiguity and misdirection reign.

Not Obnoxious, just Pedantic.

I'm saying it's confusing. I'm not concerned if it follows whatever language conventions as long as the meaning is clear.

ScruffyMcBalls:
Great, another game no one will be able to fully enjoy if they come across it in ten years time. If the DLC is free, why bother at all? Why not just start work on the next game immediately and make sure the game you've just released is actually enjoyable enough to keep us happy till it's sequel is released?

W-what? I played Tekken 3 (1998) and it's still enjoyable. Hell, boot up a copy of 'Harvest Moon'(1996) and it's still very addictive and enjoyable, regardless of being 16 years old. (Damn. I feel old now.)

There are loooooads of games (especially if you use an emulator; DOS box) and I'm pretty sure DLC won't keep you entertained for 2-5 years that it takes to develop a sequel.

Also, the DLC isn't free. There is no DLC.

Rooster Cogburn:

theultimateend:

Rooster Cogburn:
On Gamestop.com preordering this game costs $60. Can we strive for a little more clarity? I know perfectly well what you meant but lately the definition of 'free' seems to be a product that costs any amount of money whatsoever. Am I being obnoxious? I know in this instance people are not likely to be misled, I just don't think it's a good idea to let ambiguity and misdirection reign.

Not Obnoxious, just Pedantic.

I'm saying it's confusing. I'm not concerned if it follows whatever language conventions as long as the meaning is clear.

English is one of those languages where as long as the implied message is clear (which it is in the context of the conversation) then the choice words are less critical.

For instance if someone said "Stop Shooting!" during the filming of a scene, only a pedant would say "Do you mean to cease filming this production or should those with arms halt their ejection of lead rounds?"

Given that only one of those interpretations makes sense given the context of the scene (lets just assume that only filming was going on and the movie was the notebook at any point where no guns exist) it is safe to assume what is meant.

Just like here it is obvious he means, in the context of DLC, that no user should be expected to pay above and beyond the initial asking price.

Which won't be 60 dollars for longer than a month or two at best.

Game prices ARE far too high and the cost in the graphics department have gotten overbloated and ridiculous, in that I agree with you, but this guys conversation is pretty on the nose and obvious.

Lucem712:

ScruffyMcBalls:
Great, another game no one will be able to fully enjoy if they come across it in ten years time. If the DLC is free, why bother at all? Why not just start work on the next game immediately and make sure the game you've just released is actually enjoyable enough to keep us happy till it's sequel is released?

W-what? I played Tekken 3 (1998) and it's still enjoyable. Hell, boot up a copy of 'Harvest Moon'(1996) and it's still very addictive and enjoyable, regardless of being 16 years old. (Damn. I feel old now.)

There are loooooads of games (especially if you use an emulator; DOS box) and I'm pretty sure DLC won't keep you entertained for 2-5 years that it takes to develop a sequel.

Also, the DLC isn't free. There is no DLC.

Think you've read me wrong here dude, I love (I shall repeat that, LOVE) dozens of the games of yester-year, especially Tekken 3. When I originally wrote my comment I was going to talk about how a game like Tekken has kept my interest for fourteen years without DLC support, but figured it was too long-winded. What I'm saying here is not that old games aren't enjoyable, the complete opposite! Games rocked back then, they still do now, that's why I spend hundreds of pounds a year buying old video games. What I am saying is that someone coming across this Tekken title in ten years time after the DLC is no longer available will not be able to fully appreciate the whole game in the way we can when we pick up a game from the early 2000s or the 90s. What I'd rather Namco Bandai do is release a whole game that doesn't have any DLC at all, and just start working on the follow up as soon as possible, putting man hours not into DLC which won't actually make them any money, but instead into a full blown game.
So, we good now?

theultimateend:

Rooster Cogburn:

theultimateend:

Not Obnoxious, just Pedantic.

I'm saying it's confusing. I'm not concerned if it follows whatever language conventions as long as the meaning is clear.

English is one of those languages where as long as the implied message is clear (which it is in the context of the conversation) then the choice words are less critical.

For instance if someone said "Stop Shooting!" during the filming of a scene, only a pedant would say "Do you mean to cease filming this production or should those with arms halt their ejection of lead rounds?"

Given that only one of those interpretations makes sense given the context of the scene (lets just assume that only filming was going on and the movie was the notebook at any point where no guns exist) it is safe to assume what is meant.

Just like here it is obvious he means, in the context of DLC, that no user should be expected to pay above and beyond the initial asking price.

Which won't be 60 dollars for longer than a month or two at best.

Game prices ARE far too high and the cost in the graphics department have gotten overbloated and ridiculous, in that I agree with you, but this guys conversation is pretty on the nose and obvious.

Nope, you are incorrect. It is ambiguous and confusing. I wasn't sure the game was not free-to-play until they started talking about preordering it and I still had to check the price myself to be sure he did not mean what he said the way he said it. Language does not have to be literal to have clear meaning as you have amply demonstrated.

 

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