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I'm with you on that. What makes me angry about this is that no doubt the gunman knew that people wouldn't think he was anything more than a gimmick and just used that to his advantage. He was just that sick and sadistic. | |
Tear gas, a bulletproof vest, a rifle, a shotgun, and a few handguns says otherwise. This guy was armed to the teeth, prepared, and had the element of surprise. Some average Joe with a side holster wouldn't have made a lick of difference. | |
Guns aren't allowed in theaters. Silly gunman. Guns aren't allowed in schools. Silly gunmen. If ONLY they'd known about the gun laws, none of those people would have been killed. Because, you know, a law that says you can't have a gun means that nobody will have a gun, right? Right? I mean all those shootings you hear about at gun shows and gun stores - oh wait, that's right, you NEVER hear about shootings at gun shows or gun stores. I WONDER WHY. A mass shooting at a Military base took place... where? A GUN FREE ZONE WITHIN THE BASE. Even our trained Military members did not have access to guns and had to run to a locker to retrieve them to defend themselves against the attacker. Anyone thinking that LAW will protect the innocent is in denial. You know, I'd be glad if nobody had guns. But since it's impossible, especially at this point, to ensure that ALL guns are accounted for and destroyed... you CANNOT regulate gun control and leave law-abiding citizens completely defenseless against the insane.
Why do you think people who go on shooting rampages choose the places they do? Answer: Because they know that the innocent, law abiding citizens at these places ARE following that law that says "no guns". I'm betting a few concealed carries in that theater would have made a difference. THEY would have had the real element of surprise. | |
They try to ban drugs, alcohol, and software piracy too. Didn't work. Won't work. People will find away. Crazies will still be crazies, criminals will still be criminals. There are tons of robberies that don't involve guns. They'll still happen. Imagine if Poland had an armed population like we do back at the start of WW2. We'd be harder to openly oppress since we can fight back effectively. | |
From what I've read the emergency exit had been propped open beforehand. | |
With like that will come out in the trial, but we'll have to wait I guess... | |
It is also true that in a "open" society it is impossible to prohibit things, it just creates a black market and encourages more crime. study the war on drugs for a text book case of trying to ban things in an open border nation. Besides we need guns to overthrow our government :P, our forefathers said so because you know they kicked out an oppressive government that was overtaxing them, restricting their right to arm themselves, and telling them who and where they could meet and what they could talk about etc. Plus i do not want to even bring up how every dictator pretty much disarmed his people before he took power, and the ego on some of our politicians and the idea of one of them getitng ideas of bigger better things is not out of the question. I do not think anyone that is pro guns, is arguing that mentally insane people should be armed at all, but we have gun laws in place to regulate things like felons getting guns, mentally ill getting guns, and bottom line on top of that if someone really wants a gun there is a way to get one reguardless. banning them would simply make them more expensive, and make them very attractive to organized crime, unless someone seriously wants to try and convince me we can shut down every square inch of our border, then you have to convince me the politicians would even do it because some of them like those illegals voting and paying taxes and etc. | |
Hitler didn't have to ban guns, the Weimar government that preceded him already had six years prior. Mostly because the Nazis and the Communists kept having running gun battles in the streets.
Do you actually know no one in the theatre was armed? It might not have helped necessarily: there was an armed deputy at Columbine High School who exchanged shots with Harris but didn't manage to stop him. This might have also been a situation where the pistol-packing deputy couldn't match a shooter with a rifle. What's your solution for that? Should people be allowed to carry rifles into enclosed public spaces? Say a half-dozen people in that theatre were carrying concealed weapons, and pulled them out when they heard gunshots. What do you think the chances are they might have targeted one another instead of the actual shooter?
I'm actually not a knee-jerk "ban all guns" person. I'm okay with civilians owning and using guns in certain circumstances. But I'm equally opposed to ridiculous "armed citizens solve all problems" rhetoric. | |
His lawyer is already telling him to blame video games. | |
Really sad news. You'd think you'd be safe going to a fucking cinema of all places without nut jobs like him there :( | |
This is why we need to ban guns... ;) | |
No. STOP. Both of you. This is not the time or place to debate politics. Go start your own thread. I hope for a full recovery from all currently in the hospital. I feel for the families of those involved. | |
It's ironic you brought that up, because following that massacre, the Government at the time introduced tough new gun laws, and there hasn't been a massacre of its size in Australia since. Thanks for proving our point for us. | |
No of course not, it's never the time that's the problem. It's much easier for those with the agenda to sweep the issue under the rug under the guise of "prudence for the victims", but I tell you what; the moment those same victims move from grief to anger, you will be hearing a lot more of it. | |
And this is one reason I advocate for the death penalty. I for one don't want my tax dollars to fund a mass murderer's life. As for gun control stuffs, I am always an advocate for less stringent regulation on firearms. However, I do understand that guns don't solve the world's problems. Take this shooting incident from a while back. Supposedly 200 officers and SWAT responded on this incident, and they still had 11 casualties. Moral of the story: don't cut police budget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout | |
Fine. Maybe this is a good time to discuss it. Regardless, THIS THREAD is not the place. Some of us are looking for a factual account of what happened, because it happened less than 12 hours ago. | |
true, true. bad enough Heath Ledger died after the previous one now this. make me sick | |
Seems to work pretty well over here in the UK. Although disarming everyone in the USA would be a nigh-impossible task now unfortunately. | |
I will admit that this sort of thing is one of the reasons I'm against the death penalty. To do this there is clearly something psychologically wrong with the man and I'd rather not punish him because of some faulty wiring in his brain. I accept that he possibly won't fall under "has difficulty functioning" type of insane, but there is something up with the way he thinks. I just think he should be locked up away from everyone else to prevent it happening again and, if at all possible, treated. | |
I read about this but am also a bit unsurprised, growing up I wondered why these people never attacked crowded events. My heart goes out to the victims but i felt a bit prepared for this kind of thing. | |
Is this how bad marketing has gotten nowadays? That people can actually confuse a masked gunman killing others for a promotional event of said movie? I blame EA. That was partially a joke. | |
Well ... Apparently Jessica Redfield, who witnessed the Eaton Centre shooting seven weeks ago, is among the casualties in Aurora ... | |
i dont know, man. another escapist posted this
and thats some fucking twilight zone shit right here. | |
Probably the same kind who brought a baby to a sci-fi somewhathorror when I visited a theater in Manhattan. | |
It's almost ironic to shoot people in a theatre during a Batman movie. Sick, twisted and simply disgusting, but ironic. | |
To everyone demanding gun control: Fuck off Now that I got that out of the way, I have to question how this is being handled. I know it's a young story still, and the details are scrambled at best. My problem is that with so little information, this is easily the most popular story I've seen all day. And for all the wrong reasons... Using an event like this to push a particular agenda is disgusting to me, and anyone trying to do so should be wildly ashamed of themselves. But what do I know? I'm just from the internet. | |
This is kind of harrowing for me living in Colorado. I was at a midnight showing of the movie 15 miles away from this incident. Absolutely horrible. | |
Fuck. That all I can really say. Fuck that some bastard decided "Hey, I'm going to waltz into some place where people are enjoying themselves and fucking CAP them! Why? I don't fucking know why, maybe because I'm miserable and THEY should be!" Ah bollocks. | |
Why am I not surprised that this devolved into a gun control debate in less than a page? Just going to say this: No amount of gun control law is going to stop criminals from acquiring and using firearms for illegitimate purposes. You're only making it more difficult for the normal citizen trying to get a firearm for legal purposes. | |
Well there we have the completely different issue of our respective countries (and their following history and culture). I mean I live in Denmark and I have a sneaking suspicion that it is because of the Danish culture that I can only see firearms in the hands of either Police or Military personnel (or crooks, and then there's hunters but they only use hunting rifles like the Model 700 or shotguns with room for two shells). | |
Well If I were in that theater, I know I'd have shot him down. | |
I agree, those laws preventing mentally ill people from owning guns are a model for the rest of the world to follow. | |
Yeah of course the actors attending the premier are automatons and don't have any human feelings. Its not like poeple who paid money to attend a late night premier weren't just brutally murdered. Those actors will just sip champaign as they saunter down the red carpet posing for photographs not thinking about the random shootings at all. So if you want to use swear word like the big important man that you are LOOK UP THE FUCKING MEANING OF EMPATHY. You might not have any but its one of those things you need to be good actor, the ability put put yourself in others place and understand what they are feeling. | |
he would need one HELL of an explanation in order to justify this. anything short of a 500 page epic detailing exactly why he did what he did isnt enough to spare him. if he doesn't get executed, then at the very least life in high security prison for this man. sanity be damned, you dont just kill 12 people and get away with it. also, you cant blame people for citing examples like this for need for stricter gun control, because they do make a fair point. i support stricter gun control, in no small part due to things such as this, but this is not a thread about that, so my comments on the matter end with this post | |
Yes, enjoy your paranoid existence and watch out... everyone is out to get you. Meanwhile, I feel quite happy knowing that I live in Europe, a land where not every nuthead can go to the next convenience store and arm himself with deadly weapons. Thank you very much. | |
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