Dark Knight Rises Shooting Leaves 12 Dead

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Stabby Joe:
This story offends me dearly. Not just as a sane human (that's already a given no doubt), no no. This also offends me as an avid cinema goer, Batman fan and as someone who likes socials. It's sad that all these went out because they wanted a good time with friends and/or family with a common interest and excitement... ruined and then some.

I'm with you on that. What makes me angry about this is that no doubt the gunman knew that people wouldn't think he was anything more than a gimmick and just used that to his advantage. He was just that sick and sadistic.

Tanis:

I'll tell you this:
If just two or three people in that theater were armed, and went through the proper training...there would probably be a LOT less bodies.

Tear gas, a bulletproof vest, a rifle, a shotgun, and a few handguns says otherwise. This guy was armed to the teeth, prepared, and had the element of surprise. Some average Joe with a side holster wouldn't have made a lick of difference.

Guns aren't allowed in theaters. Silly gunman. Guns aren't allowed in schools. Silly gunmen.

If ONLY they'd known about the gun laws, none of those people would have been killed. Because, you know, a law that says you can't have a gun means that nobody will have a gun, right? Right?

I mean all those shootings you hear about at gun shows and gun stores - oh wait, that's right, you NEVER hear about shootings at gun shows or gun stores.

I WONDER WHY.

A mass shooting at a Military base took place... where? A GUN FREE ZONE WITHIN THE BASE.

Even our trained Military members did not have access to guns and had to run to a locker to retrieve them to defend themselves against the attacker.

Anyone thinking that LAW will protect the innocent is in denial. You know, I'd be glad if nobody had guns.

But since it's impossible, especially at this point, to ensure that ALL guns are accounted for and destroyed... you CANNOT regulate gun control and leave law-abiding citizens completely defenseless against the insane.

ObsessiveSketch:

Tanis:

I'll tell you this:
If just two or three people in that theater were armed, and went through the proper training...there would probably be a LOT less bodies.

Tear gas, a bulletproof vest, a rifle, a shotgun, and a few handguns says otherwise. This guy was armed to the teeth, prepared, and had the element of surprise. Some average Joe with a side holster wouldn't have made a lick of difference.

Why do you think people who go on shooting rampages choose the places they do?

Answer: Because they know that the innocent, law abiding citizens at these places ARE following that law that says "no guns".

I'm betting a few concealed carries in that theater would have made a difference. THEY would have had the real element of surprise.

They try to ban drugs, alcohol, and software piracy too. Didn't work. Won't work. People will find away. Crazies will still be crazies, criminals will still be criminals. There are tons of robberies that don't involve guns. They'll still happen.

Imagine if Poland had an armed population like we do back at the start of WW2. We'd be harder to openly oppress since we can fight back effectively.

mattttherman3:
How do you bring a rifle into a movie? Did people just think it was fake?!

From what I've read the emergency exit had been propped open beforehand.

Able Seacat:
That's horrible. Did this guy have any motives or was it just a random event?

With like that will come out in the trial, but we'll have to wait I guess...

Hornet0404:

Tanis:

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Boom.

Godwin's Law has once again been met.

Also I don't think that it's as much Gun Control to keep guns out of the hands of crooks but more to make it easier to lock them up (for possessing illegal firearms).

It is also true that in a "open" society it is impossible to prohibit things, it just creates a black market and encourages more crime. study the war on drugs for a text book case of trying to ban things in an open border nation.

Besides we need guns to overthrow our government :P, our forefathers said so because you know they kicked out an oppressive government that was overtaxing them, restricting their right to arm themselves, and telling them who and where they could meet and what they could talk about etc.

Plus i do not want to even bring up how every dictator pretty much disarmed his people before he took power, and the ego on some of our politicians and the idea of one of them getitng ideas of bigger better things is not out of the question.

I do not think anyone that is pro guns, is arguing that mentally insane people should be armed at all, but we have gun laws in place to regulate things like felons getting guns, mentally ill getting guns, and bottom line on top of that if someone really wants a gun there is a way to get one reguardless.

banning them would simply make them more expensive, and make them very attractive to organized crime, unless someone seriously wants to try and convince me we can shut down every square inch of our border, then you have to convince me the politicians would even do it because some of them like those illegals voting and paying taxes and etc.

Tanis:
Picture is a LITTLE old, but the point still stands...

Hitler didn't have to ban guns, the Weimar government that preceded him already had six years prior. Mostly because the Nazis and the Communists kept having running gun battles in the streets.

Tanis:
If just two or three people in that theater were armed, and went through the proper training...there would probably be a LOT less bodies.

Do you actually know no one in the theatre was armed? It might not have helped necessarily: there was an armed deputy at Columbine High School who exchanged shots with Harris but didn't manage to stop him. This might have also been a situation where the pistol-packing deputy couldn't match a shooter with a rifle. What's your solution for that? Should people be allowed to carry rifles into enclosed public spaces?

Say a half-dozen people in that theatre were carrying concealed weapons, and pulled them out when they heard gunshots. What do you think the chances are they might have targeted one another instead of the actual shooter?

Tanis:
It's childish to think that 'banning all the guns' will stop criminals, or prevent massacres.

I'm actually not a knee-jerk "ban all guns" person. I'm okay with civilians owning and using guns in certain circumstances. But I'm equally opposed to ridiculous "armed citizens solve all problems" rhetoric.

cpt blackamar:

Able Seacat:
That's horrible. Did this guy have any motives or was it just a random event?

With like that will come out in the trial, but we'll have to wait I guess...

His lawyer is already telling him to blame video games.

Really sad news. You'd think you'd be safe going to a fucking cinema of all places without nut jobs like him there :(

Tanis:
*waits for the 'those people' to start preaching 'this is why we need to ban guns' crap*

This is why we need to ban guns... ;)
People fight each other one way or another. With guns involved, there's simply a bigger mess.

GoddyofAus:

Tanis:
*waits for the 'those people' to start preaching 'this is why we need to ban guns' crap*

It's purile and juvenile responses like this that allowed this, Columbine, Virginia Tech and every other massacre to happen in the first place.

No. STOP. Both of you.

This is not the time or place to debate politics. Go start your own thread.

I hope for a full recovery from all currently in the hospital. I feel for the families of those involved.

Baldr:

STENDEC1:
Queue all the conservative Americans who'll claim that this attack is in no way a just cause for tighter gun control. Rather the opposite. After all, if everyone had guns you'd have less shootings wouldn't you?

It's times like these I'm extremely pleased to live in Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29

Yeah.

It's ironic you brought that up, because following that massacre, the Government at the time introduced tough new gun laws, and there hasn't been a massacre of its size in Australia since.

Thanks for proving our point for us.

UNHchabo:

GoddyofAus:

Tanis:
*waits for the 'those people' to start preaching 'this is why we need to ban guns' crap*

It's purile and juvenile responses like this that allowed this, Columbine, Virginia Tech and every other massacre to happen in the first place.

No. STOP. Both of you.

This is not the time or place to debate politics. Go start your own thread.

I hope for a full recovery from all currently in the hospital. I feel for the families of those involved.

No of course not, it's never the time that's the problem. It's much easier for those with the agenda to sweep the issue under the rug under the guise of "prudence for the victims", but I tell you what; the moment those same victims move from grief to anger, you will be hearing a lot more of it.

And this is one reason I advocate for the death penalty. I for one don't want my tax dollars to fund a mass murderer's life. As for gun control stuffs, I am always an advocate for less stringent regulation on firearms. However, I do understand that guns don't solve the world's problems. Take this shooting incident from a while back. Supposedly 200 officers and SWAT responded on this incident, and they still had 11 casualties. Moral of the story: don't cut police budget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

GoddyofAus:

No of course not, it's never the time that's the problem. It's much easier for those with the agenda to sweep the issue under the rug under the guise of "prudence for the victims", but I tell you what; the moment those same victims move from grief to anger, you will be hearing a lot more of it.

Fine. Maybe this is a good time to discuss it. Regardless, THIS THREAD is not the place. Some of us are looking for a factual account of what happened, because it happened less than 12 hours ago.

Stabby Joe:
This story offends me dearly. Not just as a sane human (that's already a given no doubt), no no. This also offends me as an avid cinema goer, Batman fan and as someone who likes socials. It's sad that all these went out because they wanted a good time with friends and/or family with a common interest and excitement... ruined and then some.

true, true. bad enough Heath Ledger died after the previous one now this. make me sick

Tanis:

It's childish to think that 'banning all the guns' will stop criminals, or prevent massacres.

Seems to work pretty well over here in the UK. Although disarming everyone in the USA would be a nigh-impossible task now unfortunately.

the doom cannon:
And this is one reason I advocate for the death penalty.

I will admit that this sort of thing is one of the reasons I'm against the death penalty. To do this there is clearly something psychologically wrong with the man and I'd rather not punish him because of some faulty wiring in his brain. I accept that he possibly won't fall under "has difficulty functioning" type of insane, but there is something up with the way he thinks. I just think he should be locked up away from everyone else to prevent it happening again and, if at all possible, treated.

I read about this but am also a bit unsurprised, growing up I wondered why these people never attacked crowded events. My heart goes out to the victims but i felt a bit prepared for this kind of thing.

Is this how bad marketing has gotten nowadays? That people can actually confuse a masked gunman killing others for a promotional event of said movie?

I blame EA.

That was partially a joke.

Well ... Apparently Jessica Redfield, who witnessed the Eaton Centre shooting seven weeks ago, is among the casualties in Aurora ...

DVS BSTrD:
Why did they cancel the Paris Premiere?
This had nothing to do with Batman, there have been shootings all over the place
It's just TOO.
FUCKING.
HOT!

i dont know, man.

another escapist posted this

Sixcess:
I wonder if God told him to do it...

and thats some fucking twilight zone shit right here.

Novaova:

John Funk:
The casualties included a four-month old baby who was released after being treated.

Who brings a four month-old baby to a midnight premiere of an action movie?

Probably the same kind who brought a baby to a sci-fi somewhathorror when I visited a theater in Manhattan.

It's almost ironic to shoot people in a theatre during a Batman movie.

Sick, twisted and simply disgusting, but ironic.

To everyone demanding gun control: Fuck off
To everyone demanding everyone be armed: Fuck off

Now that I got that out of the way, I have to question how this is being handled. I know it's a young story still, and the details are scrambled at best. My problem is that with so little information, this is easily the most popular story I've seen all day. And for all the wrong reasons...

Using an event like this to push a particular agenda is disgusting to me, and anyone trying to do so should be wildly ashamed of themselves. But what do I know? I'm just from the internet.

This is kind of harrowing for me living in Colorado. I was at a midnight showing of the movie 15 miles away from this incident. Absolutely horrible.

Fuck. That all I can really say. Fuck that some bastard decided "Hey, I'm going to waltz into some place where people are enjoying themselves and fucking CAP them! Why? I don't fucking know why, maybe because I'm miserable and THEY should be!"

Ah bollocks.

Why am I not surprised that this devolved into a gun control debate in less than a page? Just going to say this: No amount of gun control law is going to stop criminals from acquiring and using firearms for illegitimate purposes. You're only making it more difficult for the normal citizen trying to get a firearm for legal purposes.

cerebus23:

Hornet0404:

Tanis:

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Boom.

Godwin's Law has once again been met.

Also I don't think that it's as much Gun Control to keep guns out of the hands of crooks but more to make it easier to lock them up (for possessing illegal firearms).

It is also true that in a "open" society it is impossible to prohibit things, it just creates a black market and encourages more crime. study the war on drugs for a text book case of trying to ban things in an open border nation.

Besides we need guns to overthrow our government :P, our forefathers said so because you know they kicked out an oppressive government that was overtaxing them, restricting their right to arm themselves, and telling them who and where they could meet and what they could talk about etc.

Plus i do not want to even bring up how every dictator pretty much disarmed his people before he took power, and the ego on some of our politicians and the idea of one of them getitng ideas of bigger better things is not out of the question.

I do not think anyone that is pro guns, is arguing that mentally insane people should be armed at all, but we have gun laws in place to regulate things like felons getting guns, mentally ill getting guns, and bottom line on top of that if someone really wants a gun there is a way to get one reguardless.

banning them would simply make them more expensive, and make them very attractive to organized crime, unless someone seriously wants to try and convince me we can shut down every square inch of our border, then you have to convince me the politicians would even do it because some of them like those illegals voting and paying taxes and etc.

Well there we have the completely different issue of our respective countries (and their following history and culture). I mean I live in Denmark and I have a sneaking suspicion that it is because of the Danish culture that I can only see firearms in the hands of either Police or Military personnel (or crooks, and then there's hunters but they only use hunting rifles like the Model 700 or shotguns with room for two shells).

STENDEC1:
Queue all the conservative Americans who'll claim that this attack is in no way a just cause for tighter gun control. Rather the opposite. After all, if everyone had guns you'd have less shootings wouldn't you?

It's times like these I'm extremely pleased to live in Australia.

Well If I were in that theater, I know I'd have shot him down.

cerebus23:
but we have gun laws in place to regulate things ....mentally ill getting guns, ...

I agree, those laws preventing mentally ill people from owning guns are a model for the rest of the world to follow.

DVS BSTrD:

albino boo:

DVS BSTrD:
Why did they cancel the Paris Premiere?
This had nothing to do with Batman, there have been shootings all over the place
It's just TOO.
FUCKING.
HOT!

There is a human emotion called empathy I suggest you look it up.

Could you please direct me to the part of that post where I apparently said all the victim's families can all go fuck themselves? Canceling the premiere isn't a show of solidarity, it's just keeping up appearances. As I said there have already been several mass shootings this week, but the only reason THIS one is geting an article is because of the movie they were seeing. Now THAT is a lack of empathy.

Yeah of course the actors attending the premier are automatons and don't have any human feelings. Its not like poeple who paid money to attend a late night premier weren't just brutally murdered. Those actors will just sip champaign as they saunter down the red carpet posing for photographs not thinking about the random shootings at all. So if you want to use swear word like the big important man that you are LOOK UP THE FUCKING MEANING OF EMPATHY. You might not have any but its one of those things you need to be good actor, the ability put put yourself in others place and understand what they are feeling.

portal_cat:
awaiting crazy theories about the motives on why someone would do such a horrible act like blaming the movie, video games, and the need for stricter gun control.

he would need one HELL of an explanation in order to justify this. anything short of a 500 page epic detailing exactly why he did what he did isnt enough to spare him. if he doesn't get executed, then at the very least life in high security prison for this man. sanity be damned, you dont just kill 12 people and get away with it.

also, you cant blame people for citing examples like this for need for stricter gun control, because they do make a fair point. i support stricter gun control, in no small part due to things such as this, but this is not a thread about that, so my comments on the matter end with this post

Tanis:

GoddyofAus:

Tanis:
*waits for the 'those people' to start preaching 'this is why we need to ban guns' crap*

It's purile and juvenile responses like this that allowed this, Columbine, Virginia Tech and every other massacre to happen in the first place.

Picture is a LITTLE old, but the point still stands...
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I'll tell you this:
If just two or three people in that theater were armed, and went through the proper training...there would probably be a LOT less bodies.

The only thing strict gun control laws do is disarm LAW FOLLOWING CITIZENS.
IF a crazy person or a scum bag wants a weapon, they-will-find-a-way-to-get-it.

NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T DO CRAP LIKE THIS.
It's childish to think that 'banning all the guns' will stop criminals, or prevent massacres.

Yes, enjoy your paranoid existence and watch out... everyone is out to get you.

Meanwhile, I feel quite happy knowing that I live in Europe, a land where not every nuthead can go to the next convenience store and arm himself with deadly weapons. Thank you very much.

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