Nintendo President: Mario Games Aren't Too Frequent

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I'm more concerned by the fact that this seems to be a new trend.

Consumer Base: "We really like That Game Series (TM)!"
Publisher: "Oh, snap! We got ourselves a cash cow! Let's milk that fucker down! ONE INSTALMENT PER YEAR, GOGOGO!"
Consumer Base: "Well - we don't like it *that* much..."
Publisher: "FUCK ALL O' Y'ALL, GIVE US YOUR MONIES NAO! MORE OF THE SAME SHIT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WOOHOO!"

I figure what's going to help the industry is a second crash. Maybe if EA and Nintendo go burning down in flames and the hobby becomes a bit of a distant memory for some, then maybe we'll be more inclined to explore new avenues for game development, and new franchises. As is, Nintendo's just resting on the laurels of its video game icons because, well, they're video game icons.

"Mario is classic, ergo we can pump shit out like nobody's business as long as it has his face on the cover" isn't what I'd consider a decent defence.

There's been a Mario game every year since the 80s.

I wish I could say we've seen enough Mario for a while, but people keep buying it, so..

The last time they did anything new with Mario was Galaxy. After that its been, a sequal to galaxy, and throwbacks to the sidescrollers with a new coat of paint. It gets tiring after awhile.

Grouchy Imp:

More Fun To Compute:

Grouchy Imp:
Perhaps single titles in the franchise are released less frequently, but that doesn't mean that the franchise as a whole isn't milked for every penny. The two studios responsible for CoD only release every two years, yet people don't stop ragging on Activision for releasing one CoD game a year. SMB may release every three years, yet that hasn't stopped Nintendo slapping Mario's name on six titles this year alone - and it's still August.

That isn't what Iwata is talking about even if the headline is misleading. Trickily phrased in order to make people angry like all blog headlines have to be if they want people to click on them and comment.

It's kinda difficult for non Nintendo fans to separate out which games are produced by which devs though. Iwata and his team may indeed produce to a measured release period, but to the layman the market is constantly being flooded by the latest Mario title.

Revnak:
Those two seperate cycles are in identical genres featuring nearly identical gameplay and a two year cycle is still a bit rushed. Do not try and equate the two release cycles of CoD games to how Mario games have been made in just about every genre in existence.

I'm not trying to compare the single CoD shooter series with the entire Mario franchise, merely individual series within it. CoD focuses purely on military FPS games whereas the Mario franchise straddles platformers, racers, puzzlers, and so on and so on. I'm not trying to compare those aspects of the games. What I am saying is that there is as much (or as little) innovation between the first and newest CoD games as there is between, say, the first and newest Mario Kart games (which - for the record - I think is quite a bloody bit).

Mario clearly has his fingers in more pies than any other franchise going, and I wasn't trying to argue that point. What I was meaning is that when you look inside the overall franchise and seize on an individual series within that overarching blanket brand, the newer games can often come across as simply updated versions of the last game.

Then you argue rather strangely, because you never mentioned innovation once in the post I quoted. However, I do not think the New series is innovating at all, so I will stop arguing with you unless you fuck up and forget what you were trying to say again.

Grouchy Imp:
It's kinda difficult for non Nintendo fans to separate out which games are produced by which devs though. Iwata and his team may indeed produce to a measured release period, but to the layman the market is constantly being flooded by the latest Mario title.

How hard can it be. Tens of millions of people turn out and buy the New Super Mario Bros games who don't buy any other Mario game except maybe Mario Kart. Are you saying that they are all super hardcore gamers who have a level of understanding of the games industry much higher than Jim Sterling and countless other headline writers and forum posters?

I firmly believe that Activision got their 1 title per 2 years in a series plan from nintendo.

Not only did they start the motion control gimmick, they also started this gimmick!!! DAMN THEM!

GiantRaven:
In some sense I agree, the core Mario games are in no way frequent or could be considered a yearly franchise. The amount of spin-off or side games they do though makes it seem that way though.

Exactly. Give it time and there will be a Pokemon/Mario cross over game.

Revnak:
Then you argue rather strangely, because you never mentioned innovation once in the post I quoted. However, I do not think the New series is innovating at all, so I will stop arguing with you unless you fuck up and forget what you were trying to say again.

Sorry fella, it's been a long day at work and my head's frazzled.

More Fun To Compute:

Grouchy Imp:
It's kinda difficult for non Nintendo fans to separate out which games are produced by which devs though. Iwata and his team may indeed produce to a measured release period, but to the layman the market is constantly being flooded by the latest Mario title.

How hard can it be. Tens of millions of people turn out and buy the New Super Mario Bros games who don't buy any other Mario game except maybe Mario Kart. Are you saying that they are all super hardcore gamers who have a level of understanding of the games industry much higher than Jim Sterling and countless other headline writers and forum posters?

I'm not saying that at all...

I think the pair of you have made it abundantly clear that I'm not making any bloody sense, so I think I'm gonna stop digging this pit I'm in and quit when I'm only quite badly behind.

JezWilkinson:
m.

One new feature that New Super Mario Bros. 2 is bringing to the series is paid DLC. DLC is a familiar sight in many recent games on other consoles, but it's something that Nintendo has only recently considered. Although it's a new area for the company, Iwata wants fans who are fearful of the change to know that they will not be given a raw deal. "Our goal," he stated, "is to create DLC in such a way that consumers do not feel that they have been cheated or deceived." Indeed, Nintendo has adopted this idea as part of its company policy. "What we are not going to do is create a full game and then say, 'let's hold this back for DLC.' That's not our plan."

You know, if it was ANY other company saying this, this forum would be singing its praises.

But since it's Nintendo and it involves Mario, the thread has been nothing but "MILKING MIKING MILKING! KILL MARIO BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT ANYMORE! NINTENDO DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING OTHER THAN MARIO AND ZELDA!"

I think Nintendo had to push the 3DS hard with software in order to make people buy that stupid thing. Their only choice was to use a franchise with an established market position and no other franchise but the Mario universe is known as well in both the core and the casual customer base. Thus, we got Super Mario 3D Land (Land 3D, 3LandD whatever), Mario Kart 7, Mario Tennis, Mario&Sonic 2012 port for the 3DS and NSMB2 in past few months.

That is probably the reason Mario feels this inflationary. Now, we still have Paper Mario 3DS and NSMB WiiU coming up but after that I honestly believe, we won't see or hear any Mario game for at least an entire year.

This is a common complaint that I don't understand. "Mario is overused" well, yes he appears in an abundance but I don't think he is over used. He's a main franchise in the video game industry so he's more of a staple and less of and overused character. He's like the McDonalds or Burger King of video games, everywhere, bland, but in the end you're glad to see it again.

God dammit Iwata. I don't care if YOU think mario games aren't too frequent. Everybody else with a brainstem believes it should be smothered to death by now. Only the die hard fans look forward to the next shitty mario title.

Eh I really could care less about most mario franchises the only ones I ever played were the 3D ones and paper mario so in some way yeah they take a while to release the mario games I want.

Boudica:
Much like Sonic, Mario needs to be taken behind the shed and put down, to use a phrase that made me lol.

Woah woah woah. Mario's no where near that level of disappointment. The games actually have to be BAD for that to happen. They aren't poorly made, they just have far less new ideas than we're used to from the brand.

But yes there is less innovation from the franchise lately. Miyamoto himself is always at the creative helm of the big new Mario game (Mario bros, Mario World, Mario 64, sunshine, the galaxy games) but lately it seems like he's been focused on the Ocarina port and Pikmin 3. Hopefully he'll be back to the drawing board with some crazy new idea for the old guy.

It's been only 3 years since Galaxy 2, so I don't think he's gotten stagnant quite yet. But I do wanna see the 'next step' within the next 2 years.

I love me some plant-based druggie plumbers. But if you've played one New SB, you've kinda played 'em all.

Hey, go easy on them. Nintendo is run by transdimensional beings from where they are still the gaming industry leader without competition, it's not their fault that are having so much trouble coming to grips with reality...

Anyone else remember that old flash movie series "The Decline of Video Gaming"?

Anyone else think that those guys were too right for their own good? Like seriously they parodied a Mario game called "Mario Does the Laundry". I don't think we're too far from that seeing as how we have a Marble Slab Creamery game on the Wii...

Robert Ewing:
God dammit Iwata. I don't care if YOU think mario games aren't too frequent. Everybody else with a brainstem believes it should be smothered to death by now. Only the die hard fans look forward to the next shitty mario title.

I think he's speaking to investors. If he actually were speaking to gamers I'd hope to god he wouldn't be so stupid as to try and say that Mario games aren't too frequent.

Look Nintendo, the core ideals behind the Mario franchise are not exactly cutting edge as it stands. This is a well worn concept to say the least. To all those intolerable people who go on about how they "Like Nintendo because it makes games like they used to" all i have to say is this; there is a reason they don't "Make 'em like they used to." They've already been made.

Want to play classic Mario? Go play classic Mario then. Go on. Be my guest. Play one of the many many many many titles out there with the same mario mechanics or the many re-releases with extra levels/ updated tech. There is enough to keep you happy until the end of time. Modern Mario is simply the same game. Nealy 30 years and its the same game. Mario is a sad 80s rock-band that just plays the same set-list over and over and over again. Mario still tours like it's 1985. But it isn't. He and keeps releasing albums sure, but they are the same basic songs with a thin layer of new production to mask the crippling stagnation.

Game design has moved on Nintendo and has left your software looking old, out of touch and frankly a bit sad. All the waggle in the world can't change that NSMB-Wii was an upscaled DS game from a decades old formula. You've had decades to polish the same mechanics but you keep forgetting to try new ones.

Well, it's always new to somebody. :P

to me, if I'm having fun, it shouldn't really matter. i've already come to terms with that, now i rail against people who abuse games for reasons other than that.

from the other side of the story, i've read that the recent games have been developed by separate teams all learning how to develop mario games, so as far as we're concerned these are the results of all these teams learning how to realize their potential while the veterans step back and let them figure it out

As much as I love Mario, they are getting a bit too frequent. What is also making this worse is they are becoming a lot less unique. Most Mario games recently have just been sequels to games that did something unique for the series, but without adding anything really to keep them fresh and interesting. These different Mario series are also being released pretty much every other year right now. Even Super Mario 3D Land which was really good wasn't very unique. I do think there needs to be much more of a slow down on Mario products and more of a focus on capturing that unique experience again.

Is anyone else thinking that they aren't too frequent, but rather same...ey

No, they're not too frequent, they're just all the same. Play one Mario Kart and you've played them all (We're at 8 Mario Karts so far?). Play one Mario Party and you know what's coming (We're at #9 already, two already out for the Wii. Contradictions!). They might have released ONE New Super Mario game per console, but what about Mario Galaxy? And whatever else they're gonna come up with in the future? Cause the chances of them releasing just ONE Mario game for the WiiU, right at its launch, are pretty slim.

And even if they're not that many compared to CoD or whatever, they're just the same. That's the bottom line. So when you buy a Mario game and you find out that it plays and feels almost the same as the last Mario game, you can't help but feel you've already gone through that before just a couple of years ago.

As a Nintendo fan (pulls out flame shield) Ithink I'm bothered by this even more than most gamers. The worst part is even the Mario games Nintendo does make seem to be repetitions of familiar ideas. Believe it or not there was hen each new Mario game tried to be inventive and unique. Mario is Nintendo's Batman.

Mario titles are kind of too frequent. What used ti distinguish Nintendo titles from say, COD, was that they were somewhat inspired and creative and different. And they seem to be unable to come up with new and differentiating ideas.

I'll probably pick up NSMB2, though, because I only played my ex's copy of the first and never got around to buying it.

DVS BSTrD:
It may be a pipe dream for Ninetendo, but it would leave us in the U-bend.

At least we're not sunk.

Grouchy Imp:
Mario games aren't too frequent are they?

Riiiiight...

I suddenly find myself in even more agreement with Jim Sterling's last vid.

So two games is too much in 2012? I see only two core Mario games on the list for this year, and only one for last. You can't count every game he just happens to appear in, since he is more Nintendo's logo now then their.. um, logo haha.

I don't think people realize that this is incredibly infrequent compared to the past. You heard of Mario 1, 2 and 3? ALL came out on the NES.

I would love to see the day that we get three+ core Mario games a console again. We did get Mario Galaxy 1, 2 and new super Mairo bros. wii all on the wii. That was pretty nice! Still one of the only reasons to have one of those white bricks.

"Too frequent"?
I don't think that's the primary concern that Nintendo consumers have.

I'll tell you what is a problem? I can't tell the difference between all of the "new" Mario games anymore. I grew up in a time when Mario 1, 2 (NA Version), 3, World and World 2 were ENTIRELY different creatures. It didn't feel odd to own all or some of those old Mario titles because they all have their own little unique flavours.

If I did still purchase Mario games (which I don't, sorry), I'd accept and largely ignore the "too frequent" issue if they'd start creating things that weren't endlessly recycled and bleached clean of creativity beyond a shiny-looking level or two.

More Fun To Compute:

Grouchy Imp:
Mario games aren't too frequent are they?

Riiiiight...

I suddenly find myself in even more agreement with Jim Sterling's last vid.

New Super Mario Bros. 2006 Nintendo DS Platformer (2D)
New Super Mario Bros. Wii 2009 Wii Platformer (2D)
New Super Mario Bros. 2 2012 Nintendo 3DS Platformer (2D)

Looks like Mario Bros games are on a three year cycle.

And the 2D Mario WiiU POS being released this year fits into that how? What, are we just going to add three years between September and October?

Mr. Omega:

"Our goal," he stated, "is to create DLC in such a way that consumers do not feel that they have been cheated or deceived." Indeed, Nintendo has adopted this idea as part of its company policy. "What we are not going to do is create a full game and then say, 'let's hold this back for DLC.' That's not our plan."

You know, if it was ANY other company saying this, this forum would be singing its praises.

But since it's Nintendo and it involves Mario, the thread has been nothing but "MILKING MIKING MILKING! KILL MARIO BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT ANYMORE! NINTENDO DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING OTHER THAN MARIO AND ZELDA!"

I dunno, when a big game company says, "We're going to be nice with our DLC and not use it to drain every last penny from you," and they're not Valve, most people's reaction is, "Buuuuullshiiiiit."

Foolproof:
And the 2D Mario WiiU POS being released this year fits into that how? What, are we just going to add three years between September and October?

I've got no idea what you are angry about.

Mr. Omega:

JezWilkinson:
m.

One new feature that New Super Mario Bros. 2 is bringing to the series is paid DLC. DLC is a familiar sight in many recent games on other consoles, but it's something that Nintendo has only recently considered. Although it's a new area for the company, Iwata wants fans who are fearful of the change to know that they will not be given a raw deal. "Our goal," he stated, "is to create DLC in such a way that consumers do not feel that they have been cheated or deceived." Indeed, Nintendo has adopted this idea as part of its company policy. "What we are not going to do is create a full game and then say, 'let's hold this back for DLC.' That's not our plan."

You know, if it was ANY other company saying this, this forum would be singing its praises.

But since it's Nintendo and it involves Mario, the thread has been nothing but "MILKING MIKING MILKING! KILL MARIO BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT ANYMORE! NINTENDO DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING OTHER THAN MARIO AND ZELDA!"

Because every other company figures that is completely fucking obvious, and doesn't need to be said.

Its like you saying that we should be signing the praises of a car manufacturer because they said "we definitely won't engineer our cars to be as fuel ineffiecient as possible". No other manufacturuer on earth does that, even if there are some crazy people who insist they do.

AzrealMaximillion:

Robert Ewing:
God dammit Iwata. I don't care if YOU think mario games aren't too frequent. Everybody else with a brainstem believes it should be smothered to death by now. Only the die hard fans look forward to the next shitty mario title.

I think he's speaking to investors. If he actually were speaking to gamers I'd hope to god he wouldn't be so stupid as to try and say that Mario games aren't too frequent.

Ah, that would indeed be a good point. But if he's actually gotten to the point of actually telling the investors this, then surely he must be starting to get desperate, or at least a bit hot under the collar.

There are a lot of games with Mario in the title, but you know what? I just don't buy them all. Someone who likes Mario Kart and Mario Party doesn't necessarily like 3D Land or NSMB. I am incredibly excited for Paper Mario: Sticker Star whereas Mario vs Donkey Kong, Mario Tennis or Mario Galaxy doesn't really hype me up at all. There's a lot under the Mario umbrella but just because he stars in hundreds of games doesn't mean all of those games are even anywhere close to the same thing. Does it really matter that it's Mario branded, of all things?

This year we also got a new Kid Icarus, a new Fire Emblem (though we won't see it in English until next year), we're getting a new Pikmin, we got another new Zelda that really tried something new for better or for worse, a new Paper Mario is coming, we got Xenoblade (yes, it's 1st party!). That's a lot of new stuff to be happy with. Not to mention some strong 3rd party offerings like the Tales of Abyss port from Namco, Last Story from Mistwalker, and the possibility of Soul Hackers on the 3DS from Atlus next year.

It sucks that they would put on DLC, because this is the first time they've really pushed for it, but at the very least they should be the least asshole-ish of the main publishers as far as DLC goes.

xPixelatedx:

Grouchy Imp:
Mario games aren't too frequent are they?

Riiiiight...

I suddenly find myself in even more agreement with Jim Sterling's last vid.

So two games is too much in 2012? I see only two core Mario games on the list for this year, and only one for last. You can't count every game he just happens to appear in, since he is more Nintendo's logo now then their.. um, logo haha.

I don't think people realize that this is incredibly infrequent compared to the past. You heard of Mario 1, 2 and 3? ALL came out on the NES.

I would love to see the day that we get three+ core Mario games a console again. We did get Mario Galaxy 1, 2 and new super Mairo bros. wii all on the wii. That was pretty nice! Still one of the only reasons to have one of those white bricks.

Look, I'm not gonna get into this again. I posted that link to lightheartedly poke fun at exactly what Nintendo will stick Mario's name to in order to make a quick buck. For the record SMB 1 was the reason I bought a NES, so yeah, I've heard of it. It's just possible to have too much of a good thing.

Robert Ewing:

AzrealMaximillion:

Robert Ewing:
God dammit Iwata. I don't care if YOU think mario games aren't too frequent. Everybody else with a brainstem believes it should be smothered to death by now. Only the die hard fans look forward to the next shitty mario title.

I think he's speaking to investors. If he actually were speaking to gamers I'd hope to god he wouldn't be so stupid as to try and say that Mario games aren't too frequent.

Ah, that would indeed be a good point. But if he's actually gotten to the point of actually telling the investors this, then surely he must be starting to get desperate, or at least a bit hot under the collar.

I think even investors at this point in the entire console gaming business are thinking that the trademark monotony of Nintendo needs to stop. Nintendo hasn't had the best 2 years and the Wii U looks to be gaining very little attention overall. It spells trouble for anyone with money in Nintendo.

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