Senior EVE Online Community Member Killed in Libya Riot

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Senior EVE Online Community Member Killed in Libya Riot

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Sean Smith, aka Vile Rat of EVE Online's GoonSwarm, was the senior State Department official reported dead.

EVE Online has lost one of its most senior members, and the Mittani - leading member of GoonSwarm - has lost a friend, in the Libyan Consulate attacks. Sean Smith, also known as Vile Rat of GoonSwarm, was initially reported dead - known then only as a senior State Department official - earlier this morning. Since that initial report several others, including Ambassador Chris Stevens, have also been confirmed as casualties in the attacks.

The Mittani, in a blog post, recounted how similar events had unfolded in the past. "The last time he did something like this," said the Mittani, "he was in Baghdad in 2007 or 2008. He would be on jabber, then say something like 'incoming' and vanish for a while ... He got out from his Baghdad post physically unscathed and had some more relaxing postings after that." According to the Mittani, much the same happened this time; one final jabber from Smith, and then nothing.

"If you play this stupid game," the Mittani went on to say, "you may not realize it, but you play in a galaxy created in large part by Vile Rat's talent as a diplomat." Smith had been a player of sci-fi MMO EVE Online from its very earliest days, and had been instrumental in many of the greatest events in EVE Online's history. "His influence over the grand game and the affairs of Nullsec cannot be overstated," said the Mittani. "If you were an alliance leader of any consequence, you spoke to Vile Rat. You knew him."

The riots occurred in response to a low-budget movie, Innocence of Muslims, about the life of the Prophet Mohammed. It was directed and produced by Californian Sam Bacile, who has described Islam as "a cancer, period." The movie has only ever been shown once, in a mostly empty Hollywood theater, but its trailer found its way to YouTube and from there to the Arabic speaking world.

Source: The Mittani, Guardian

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Space just got a little more empty, sounds like this guy was really pushing his luck.

The only cancer here was hatred.

it seems this guy was a genuine good guy. A shame, there are far too many trolls in the world

Even goonswarm had some good people it seems.

This is sad.

Thoughts and prayers, for his family and friends.

Well, that just puts kind of a surreal twist on this already horrible tragedy.

Hopefully someday the world won't be filled with people who think you can kill others for offending your sensibilities.

My thoughts and prayers to all involved.

disgruntledgamer:
"Californian Sam Bacile, who has described Islam as "a cancer, period."

Truth hurts I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnEeTBuPQuo

by Thunderf00t

Uh-huh.

You know I was going to argue that it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with political instability of the region that stifles progress, but the sheer ignorance of that video kinda scrambled my bwekgjsnjgbgakjgag

disgruntledgamer:
"Californian Sam Bacile, who has described Islam as "a cancer, period."

Truth hurts I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnEeTBuPQuo

by Thunderf00t

You know that period that history calls the 'dark ages'? Well, the they did not have that in Islam. In fact, while the Europeans were still burning witches for having a mole on their back, Muslims were innovating in mathematics, astronomy, and medicine.

Now, some might say this proves that Muslims are the superior religion, but that is also ignorant. Th Renaissance and the enlightenment revolutionized, art science, and culture.

Really what I am trying to get at is it is stupid and ignorant to point at one group of people and say "there. They are the problem."

This has actually hit me. Not many news stories can actually make me stop and think.

My best wishes go out to friends and family.

Thoughts a prayers to the family's of those involved.... This is particularly painful for me as a service member still in Afghanistan, I would give more of my opinion on this incident, yet being in the military I am bared from stating my feelings on issues such as this.

Can we stop killing each other, guys? - to World, from Matilda.

Why does it seem like Islam is the easiest religion to troll? One person on the far side of the globe can say something derogatory about Islam, the prophet, or the Koran and that will cause deadly riots. Remember the Florida pastor who threaten to burn a copy of the koran and there were riots and I'm betting someone died.

Just imagine if the prophet was a character in Smite?? Holy hell, the whole middle east would explode.

Whenever a group of people is that sensitive to a topic to the point of violence, someone will try to rile them up. That's just how a troll rolls.

It's worth noting that the attack on the embassy wasn't just some riot. It was some militia or another coordinating it. Your average person doesn't have RPGs, and the attackers had at least a few. There were also Libyans killed in the attacks, Libyans who helped rescue the other embassy workers, and Libyans who were fighting against the assailants. This seems more like using religion as a cover for an action than being legitimately upset on religious grounds.

Sean951:
It's worth noting that the attack on the embassy wasn't just some riot. It was some militia or another coordinating it. Your average person doesn't have RPGs, and the attackers had at least a few. There were also Libyans killed in the attacks, Libyans who helped rescue the other embassy workers, and Libyans who were fighting against the assailants. This seems more like using religion as a cover for an action than being legitimately upset on religious grounds.

RPG-7's cost somewhere in the realm of 100-300USD to obtain, depending on where you are and who you're buying from. The point of them is that they're easily attainable and affordable.

Edit: That's why they're the revolutionary's weapon of choice.

This is just the sort of thing that happens when small minds get introduced to the big bad world too quickly for them to process it without flipping their shit.

I was on Mumble with him at the time. His last words were, "Shit, gunfire". It was pretty fucking horrific.

Devoneaux:

disgruntledgamer:
derp

Uh-huh.

You know I was going to argue that it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with political instability of the region that stifles progress, but the sheer ignorance of that video kinda scrambled my bwekgjsnjgbgakjgag

SacremPyrobolum:

disgruntledgamer:
derp

You know that period that history calls the 'dark ages'? Well, the they did not have that in Islam. In fact, while the Europeans were still burning witches for having a mole on their back, Muslims were innovating in mathematics, astronomy, and medicine.

Now, some might say this proves that Muslims are the superior religion, but that is also ignorant. Th Renaissance and the enlightenment revolutionized, art science, and culture.

Really what I am trying to get at is it is stupid and ignorant to point at one group of people and say "there. They are the problem."

Guys, you know the drill. Report and move on. There's no point in anything else.

Back on topic, this is very sad. My condolences to those who knew him. He sounds like a pretty cool guy where his career actually turned out to be as volatile and interesting as the games he clearly loved to play and to contribute to.

disgruntledgamer:
"Californian Sam Bacile, who has described Islam as "a cancer, period."

Truth hurts I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnEeTBuPQuo

by Thunderf00t

You know, I didnt even need to watch that video to know it was going to be a bunch of bullshit.

You know how? I read the description.

Do you know where the first Hospital on earth was constructed? Baghdad.

One of the oldest libraries on earth?

Baghdad.

The oldest constantly inhabited city on earth?

Aleppo.

For hundreds, if not thousands, of years the Arab world, and by default the Islamic world, was more advanced then the West could ever be. Places like London, like Paris, were considered villages when compared to cities like Aleppo or Damascus. The Arab world was the center of learning. Algebra, Astronomy, Lenses, Medicine, you name it, that is where it originated.

So take your quasi racism and do something horrible to yourself.

Islam is not a "Threat" to Science. The largest threat to Science so far in human history was the Catholic fucking Church. If it was not for the pope branding people as Heretic science would have been able to move at a much faster pace.

So I say again. Take your racism and shove it.

EDIT: You know what? I am sorry.

I wanted to say something about this poor man who has ended up being killed. I wanted to say something small, considering I never played Eve (Well, I did for a month) and I had no connection to him in any way, just a small note about how sad I was that a man was killed as a result of a riot in a far off land.

But I got so riled up I could not.

So to you, now dead dude, I hope you rest easy. Takes real balls to work in the diplomatic service, I almost ceased to exist as a result of my mother doing the same. Getting posted to hell holes takes balls and you had both the balls to do what you needed to do for your country and the presence of mind to be a nerd, beloved by many, whilst you were at it.

Rest easy.

Christ. Really makes you remember that the people who get killed in these kinds of things are people, people with names, and not just numbers. When you live in an age where the media desensitizes you, that's an easy thing to forget.

disgruntledgamer:
"Californian Sam Bacile, who has described Islam as "a cancer, period."

Truth hurts I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnEeTBuPQuo

by Thunderf00t

Oh come on man.

Damn just damn. Knew the guy from my days playing EVE and from my time on the Something Awful forums. RIP my friend.

DVS BSTrD:
Space just got a little more empty, sounds like this guy was really pushing his luck.

The only cancer here was hatred.

I would argue ignorance.

The world of eve online lost a great player today. I have played eve online for 6 years and for 5 of those 6 years, I have been at odds with Vile Rat's alliance. It's been a very bitter relationship. For those who play eve, you know what I am talking about. May Vile Rat be remembered as one of the very best eve players. My condolences to his family and friends. RIP Vile Rat. You have today logged off for the last time.

Failsafe

Berenzen:
I was on Mumble with him at the time. His last words were, "Shit, gunfire". It was pretty fucking horrific.

Are you serious? It must be terrible now thinking about it.

God damn it. How many more innocent lives must be lost because of hatred born out of ignorance?

Let me get this straight? People are dead because a bunch of wankers got upset of another wanker making a shitty little movie that only a handful of other wankers watched?

Dear Lord... Of all the things to kill over...

Ah Islam that wacky religion of peace. It is truly sad to hear that people have died over something so utterly insignificant. RIP all who were lost in this senseless violence.

Wow, I read about the embassy attack on the news, but it feels different when you can relate to one of the victims because he was a gamer, and a sci-fi enthusiast like you. It brutally takes some of that detached anonymity away and makes you feel sorry for someone you never even knew.

Religous extremists everywhere, fuck you, and let the rest of us live in peace.

To be honest I can't make any judgements about Vile Rat as a person, having never met him, going by his name and affiliations... well, I'd imagine "nice guy" probably isn't a good description unless you were on his side... but heck, that's gaming. It's sad to know such a dedicated gamer and part of the US diplomatic corps has passed on though, especially under these circumstances.

That said, if Vile Rat was a diplomat, I doubt he'd agree with what I'm about to say but... I think this pretty much demonstrates that the Muslim cultures simply cannot exist on the same planet with everyone else, something that goes beyond any one nation in the region, and also needs to be seperated from Islam itself which can be practiced peacefully even if the vast number of adherants that dominate The Middle East choose not to, and maintain a xenophobic way of life that might be thousands of years old, but has become a cancer to progress.

When a trailer for a movie that happens to be offensive to your point of view incites riots against international targets of this sort, I think we've gone beyond any arguements that problems in the region are simply the result of a tiny, radical minority. This is like right wingers rallying en-masse and going on killing rampages over a Michael Moore documentary, or people shooting up The House Of Representitives over "Passion Of The Christ". If this was an isolated incident it would be one thing, but the simple fact that we're in a very similar place periodically it seems shows that measured response and peaceful attempts at negotiation have failed. Heck, they attacked our diplomats who are the peaceful talkative guys, yet again, and this was over a bloody movie trailer.

I've said all of this before, but honestly, how many times do we need to visit incidents like this? From where I'm sitting out leaders are talking a good game, but when it comes to action they are simply reaching for ever larger tubes of lube, and as they do, we seem to be encouraging things to just get worse.

I felt the need to say my piece here, I had been avoiding the topic, but for some reason learning that a big time EVE player and Goon died kind of bugs me. I played EVE at a very casual high-sec level for a while, and call Something Awful once in a while to read the main page for a laugh. I guess it just hit closer to home, and has really gotten my usual sentiments roiling. In the end I pretty much think it's just time to unleash all the nasty weapons we keep around but won't use for moral reasons (which doesn't even need to include nukes) and bring Armageddon to the region. Heck if people are concerned about Genocide, just put some egg cells and sperm into a bank to be thawed out later. Besides I'd kind of get a kick out of telling the descendants of a formerly theocratic culture that freaks out over movie trailers and wants me dead that their creator is an American in a lab coat that combined them, and that if they need a god his name is Doctor Pointdexter (or whatever). :)

Yes, I'm angry again, so take that for what it's worth.

Don't hate muslims, hate bloody demagogues and populists who preach intolerance and spread violent death. These people, no matter if Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Scientologist or whatever - they are the only human beings undeserving of mercy. People would be better than that, if they were not constantly driven by the many warmongers in this world.

RIP Mr. Smith - I did not know you or play EVE long enough to notice your existence, but your death and those of the other victims of this violence are infuriating and saddening. Rest in the knowledge that you have made a difference to many people, including many that were connected to you "only" through a game.

Therumancer:
To be honest I can't make any judgements about Vile Rat as a person, having never met him, going by his name and affiliations... well, I'd imagine "nice guy" probably isn't a good description unless you were on his side... but heck, that's gaming. It's sad to know such a dedicated gamer and part of the US diplomatic corps has passed on though, especially under these circumstances.

That said, if Vile Rat was a diplomat, I doubt he'd agree with what I'm about to say but... I think this pretty much demonstrates that the Muslim cultures simply cannot exist on the same planet with everyone else, something that goes beyond any one nation in the region, and also needs to be seperated from Islam itself which can be practiced peacefully even if the vast number of adherants that dominate The Middle East choose not to, and maintain a xenophobic way of life that might be thousands of years old, but has become a cancer to progress.

When a trailer for a movie that happens to be offensive to your point of view incites riots against international targets of this sort, I think we've gone beyond any arguements that problems in the region are simply the result of a tiny, radical minority. This is like right wingers rallying en-masse and going on killing rampages over a Michael Moore documentary, or people shooting up The House Of Representitives over "Passion Of The Christ". If this was an isolated incident it would be one thing, but the simple fact that we're in a very similar place periodically it seems shows that measured response and peaceful attempts at negotiation have failed. Heck, they attacked our diplomats who are the peaceful talkative guys, yet again, and this was over a bloody movie trailer.

I've said all of this before, but honestly, how many times do we need to visit incidents like this? From where I'm sitting out leaders are talking a good game, but when it comes to action they are simply reaching for ever larger tubes of lube, and as they do, we seem to be encouraging things to just get worse.

I felt the need to say my piece here, I had been avoiding the topic, but for some reason learning that a big time EVE player and Goon died kind of bugs me. I played EVE at a very casual high-sec level for a while, and call Something Awful once in a while to read the main page for a laugh. I guess it just hit closer to home, and has really gotten my usual sentiments roiling. In the end I pretty much think it's just time to unleash all the nasty weapons we keep around but won't use for moral reasons (which doesn't even need to include nukes) and bring Armageddon to the region. Heck if people are concerned about Genocide, just put some egg cells and sperm into a bank to be thawed out later. Besides I'd kind of get a kick out of telling the descendants of a formerly theocratic culture that freaks out over movie trailers and wants me dead that their creator is an American in a lab coat that combined them, and that if they need a god his name is Doctor Pointdexter (or whatever). :)

Yes, I'm angry again, so take that for what it's worth.

In a country as rife with socio-political tension as one which only recently went through a major regime change, any seemingly tiny, insignificant thing could act as a catalyst and cause a riot.

DVS BSTrD:
The only cancer here was hatred.

Agreed. Someone expressed their opinion of a religion, that religion's people got pissed and an individual loses their life over it. I believe this should go down in the annals of history of how stupid humans can be.

If someone slags off something you believe in, defend it with a proportionate response - don't go and riot about it and kill another man who, for all they knew, didn't hate Islam in the slightest.

SacremPyrobolum:

disgruntledgamer:
"Californian Sam Bacile, who has described Islam as "a cancer, period."

Truth hurts I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnEeTBuPQuo

by Thunderf00t

You know that period that history calls the 'dark ages'? Well, the they did not have that in Islam. In fact, while the Europeans were still burning witches for having a mole on their back, Muslims were innovating in mathematics, astronomy, and medicine.

Now, some might say this proves that Muslims are the superior religion, but that is also ignorant. Th Renaissance and the enlightenment revolutionized, art science, and culture.

Really what I am trying to get at is it is stupid and ignorant to point at one group of people and say "there. They are the problem."

Actually that wasn't because of/in all of islam. Just a number of arabian countries were revolutionizing chemistry, math etc. It had little to do with Islam directly.

Still, I find it strange to bring this up, DisgruntledGamer. We don't know the reasons this man was involved in these things and it's simply sad that he died.

The Plunk:
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In a country as rife with socio-political tension as one which only recently went through a major regime change, any seemingly tiny, insignificant thing could act as a catalyst and cause a riot.

If it was a riot between internal political factions that would be one thing, but this is an attack on an outside force (the US) which has clearly been linked to a movie trailer, as opposed to a domestic political reason.

Your basic arguement sort of reinforces my point, after all if hatred of us is what winds up bringing the most unity, that's not a good thing. Taking time away from their domestic affairs and regime change to get upset about a movie trailer that is critical of their religion is in no way a good sign, or "understandable".

I really wouldn't care if this was an isolated incident, but it's not.

Mmm this is saddening news. Thoughts go out to his family and people that knew him.

Boudica:
Can we stop killing each other, guys? - to World, from Matilda.

Reading the responses of everyone here and also reading about the tragic death of the US ambassador earlier in the day I feel flooded with sadness, pity and weariness. Except your's. Your's just reads like an off-hand comment about something you couldn't care less about.

OT: Extremely amateur, Californian film-maker offends Muslims.

People halfway across the world pay the ultimate price for his arrogance.

Those Muslims shouldn't have reacted that way. I don't care how offended they were, that is not a response that upholds their Islamic values. It's appalling of them.

My thoughts are with the families of the deceased.

Solvemedia: easy street.
Oh, if only.

I just wished most people would realize that America's rarely united on anything, and that if one person believes something, there's at least another that doesn't.

The riots occurred in response to a low-budget movie

This angers me. People shouldn't have to suffer because someone used of his rights to create something. Specially when it comes to religion, it really gives a bad image to Islam and that will only fuel the criticism of Muslim people - it's a vicious cycle.

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