Painkiller Dev Can't See The Benefit of PS4 Over Gaming PC

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Painkiller Dev Can't See The Benefit of PS4 Over Gaming PC

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Nordic Games' business development manager says they made a remake of Painkiller in order to bring the spirit of old school shooters to console gamers.

Fresh on the heels of Nvidia slamming the PS4's underwhelming system specs, Nordic Games' business development manager Reinhard Pollice has chipped in his personal criticisms of the future console. "I like a few functions that were announced but so far I personally cannot see a real benefit from buying that instead of a gaming PC," Pollice told Gaming Bolt.

"We will monitor further development closely and are also in a stage, where we evaluate certain game concepts for this hardware," added Pollice, telling us that Nordic Games is not quite convinced of the PS4's merit, and will opt into a "wait-and-see" approach for the console. "Even a great platform sometimes isn't able to convince a critical mass. A lot of factors are important here. Plus we are not in the position to be under the obligatory first-movers in that sense, so we will be careful for the time being."

Pollice then went on to talk about Nordic Games' upcoming FPS: Painkiller: Hell and Damnation, specifically, why the company opted to do a remake rather than a sequel. "We brainstormed a lot here and had ideas looking into a lot of different directions about a new Painkiller game," he revealed.

"We ended up concluding that the market is lacking a key element of the original Painkiller, that 'old school' element. So we decided that our game should be in the spirit of old school shooter games. We also noticed especially that console gamers never really had a chance to get into Painkiller, which is why we decided to take that route," said Pollice.

Painkiller: Hell and Damnation is scheduled for release on April 5 for the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Source: Gaming Bolt

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Pbbbbth. These aren't even the guys who made the original good Painkiller. They made the expansions/far less good new ones.

These industry people slamming the consoles have a point, sure, but they are also speaking from a bubble of total blindness to pricing structures, since they don't have to pay for their stuff themselves. Yes, The PS4 might be akin to a $800 PC, and you could get a monster PC for $1600 that would blow it out of the water, on paper.

But the reality is that the PS4 (and the new XBOX) will cost between $300 and $500, and its unified architecture means that developers will know exactly what kind of machine they're making their game for, resulting in some serious optimization. I mean these comments were bandied about when the X360 and the PS3 came out as well - they still sold 170 million units between them, and their software was impressive long after their hardware was all but obsolete.

Urabutln:
These industry people slamming the consoles have a point, sure, but they are also speaking from a bubble of total blindness to pricing structures, since they don't have to pay for their stuff themselves. Yes, The PS4 might be akin to a $800 PC, and you could get a monster PC for $1600 that would blow it out of the water, on paper.

But the reality is that the PS4 (and the new XBOX) will cost between $300 and $500, and its unified architecture means that developers will know exactly what kind of machine they're making their game for, resulting in some serious optimization. I mean these comments were bandied about when the X360 and the PS3 came out as well - they still sold 170 million units between them, and their software was impressive long after their hardware was all but obsolete.

Agreed. Also another point that consoles have is that they just work, no technical knowledge other than plug into TV required. Don't get me wrong I love my PC's (I built them myself and bought a laptop), and I use them more than any of my consoles now. However I can see the role they serve and the advantages they have. I think it speaks volumes of the industry that negativity and condeming others in the industry like this is so common and routines. Rather saddening.

"PS4 blows! Also we are releasing our new game shortly, be sure to check it out." - completely legit

They'll jump on board as soon as there is a marked for their games, no matter how legitimate their criticism might be. But I'll say, if there is something modern games do not need, it would be the old school feeling. I've had that for 20 years now, come up with something new already.

Dear all PC loving devs,

No matter how much you moan how superior PCs are to consoles, consoles are here to stay, so suck it up.

Yours sincerely,

The rest of the world.

EDIT: For clarification, I play both PC and console games. I'm just fed up of devs making these pointless comments. Both have pros and cons. People have only had since the 80's do deal with it.

A highly specialized device is always better at what it does than a more universal one.
@Frostbite3789 They actually have several guys who worked on the original. Of course, the most important and prominent guys are all working for Epic Games now. But they do have some members of the old team.

RicoADF:

Urabutln:
These industry people slamming the consoles have a point, sure, but they are also speaking from a bubble of total blindness to pricing structures, since they don't have to pay for their stuff themselves. Yes, The PS4 might be akin to a $800 PC, and you could get a monster PC for $1600 that would blow it out of the water, on paper.

But the reality is that the PS4 (and the new XBOX) will cost between $300 and $500, and its unified architecture means that developers will know exactly what kind of machine they're making their game for, resulting in some serious optimization. I mean these comments were bandied about when the X360 and the PS3 came out as well - they still sold 170 million units between them, and their software was impressive long after their hardware was all but obsolete.

Agreed. Also another point that consoles have is that they just work, no technical knowledge other than plug into TV required. Don't get me wrong I love my PC's (I built them myself and bought a laptop), and I use them more than any of my consoles now. However I can see the role they serve and the advantages they have. I think it speaks volumes of the industry that negativity and condeming others in the industry like this is so common and routines. Rather saddening.

Yeah, it's all well and good saying there is no difference from ps4 to pc being good with PCs, however I know people that struggle with anything on a computer. For them, a console where they can buy a disc, put it in and play is going to be far better than a box with a load of numbers that they have to compare to their PC. Not to mention, most people HAVE a tv, so the cost is literally just the console. PC you have to buy everything, in theory anyway. Take away the cost of a decent monitor from the cost of a console and you don't have much left for parts.

Lord_Gremlin:
A highly specialized device is always better at what it does than a more universal one.
@Frostbite3789 They actually have several guys who worked on the original. Of course, the most important and prominent guys are all working for Epic Games now. But they do have some members of the old team.

I think you'll find that Wild Flying Hog now has the bulk of the creative team from the original Painkiller.

Phishfood:
Not to mention, most people HAVE a tv, so the cost is literally just the console. PC you have to buy everything, in theory anyway. Take away the cost of a decent monitor from the cost of a console and you don't have much left for parts.

If only there was some sort of High Definition Multimedia Interface that could allow people to run their PCs through TVs!

I get the feeling Escapist is reporting on all these devs opinions on consoles vs PC just to generate attention and traffic, oh wait....

Tien Shen:
I get the feeling Escapist is reporting on all these devs opinions on consoles vs PC just to generate attention and traffic, oh wait....

You're not the only one with that feeling. The sad part is they should recognize they're preaching to the choir and practically flame-baiting.

It all depends on how much people want to dump into thier PC, although acording to nvidia the PS4 is only as good as a "low-end" PC, which doesnt sound too thrilling pre-launch. I've never been a playstation gamer and it doesnt look like now is the time to start.

And I thought wihout March Mayhem we wouldn't have any pointless flame wars this month :P

Can we wait till the damn thing is out before we all start ripping it apart? Granted a ps4 is going to be outperformed easily by mid to high end gaming PCs with the gap only widdening as the years go by. However power alone is not the soul factor people considered when weihing up a pc or console purchase.

RhombusHatesYou:

If only there was some sort of High Definition Multimedia Interface that could allow people to run their PCs through TVs!

Sure, but again - average person. They aren't going to think of that, they are going to go to PC world and buy a complete PC with a 50% markup.

And now, we wait for someone to call him elitist for stating the truth.

Lord_Gremlin:
A highly specialized device is always better at what it does than a more universal one.

Are you seriously saying that consoles are "better at what they do" (playing games?) than PCs?

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In reality I do not see the point of even current gen consoles. These systems have only 1 advantage to PCs: Sometimes you do not have to install your game( can play from disk). With that being said, Im happy for the release of the PS4 and 720 and Wii U. At least we will make a step forward now.

RhombusHatesYou:

Phishfood:
Not to mention, most people HAVE a tv, so the cost is literally just the console. PC you have to buy everything, in theory anyway. Take away the cost of a decent monitor from the cost of a console and you don't have much left for parts.

If only there was some sort of High Definition Multimedia Interface that could allow people to run their PCs through TVs!

I'd like to interject here with the knowledge that a TV doesn't compare to a monitor with how good the picture quality looks, especially if you're running it through HDMI. My flatmate built his PC in January and wouldn't get his monitor for about a week. Until he did, it was ran on his TV through the HDMI and it really didn't look as good when he used his monitor instead.

OT: I would get a gaming PC if I could afford one and wasn't interested in the game set I'd get for a PS4. As was mentioned above, there's a lot of fiddling around with settings when you get a game on a PC, making sure it runs well on your own set up. With a console, I just put the game on and I shouldn't have to worry about it not running.

Kheapathic:

Tien Shen:
I get the feeling Escapist is reporting on all these devs opinions on consoles vs PC just to generate attention and traffic, oh wait....

You're not the only one with that feeling. The sad part is they should recognize they're preaching to the choir and practically flame-baiting.

Hey, if people are stupid enough to be flamebaited by articles like this, then I honestly can't blame them if they keep posting them - it's news relevant to the gaming industry, and they can use the pageviews.

Chances are anyway that reality will be rather boring: not as great as its fans envision, and not as terrible as its detractors are proclaiming.

Urabutln:
These industry people slamming the consoles have a point, sure, but they are also speaking from a bubble of total blindness to pricing structures, since they don't have to pay for their stuff themselves. Yes, The PS4 might be akin to a $800 PC, and you could get a monster PC for $1600 that would blow it out of the water, on paper.

You could be a moron and get the 1.6k PC or you could just spend the 800 on a PC that will blow the PS4 out of the water.

Where the hell does this idea come from that you need to spend thousands of dollars on a rig?

Because gaming PC's cost several times more than consoles, often have non-RTS exclusive games and offer local multiplayer without a shit ton of work.

Why are all these people in high paid positions fucking retarded?

Terramax:
No matter how much you moan how superior PCs are to consoles, consoles are here to stay, so suck it up.

By some recent estimates, console gaming is going to collapse on itself at some point during this "next generation" due to user and developer backlash towards larger production companies, media outlets and publishers. Do you think people throw around the term "Video game crash" just because it sounds cool?

At this point in time, console gaming and PC gaming are largely one and the same, except PC gaming has more options to tailor to each specific user, better access to online play, better customer service, DLC support and of course widely available downloadable games of any size, not just 2D platformers or "artsy" (lazy) indie games.

The argument that consoles are cheaper is incredibly short-sighted as PC technological developments keep putting year-old machines down to half or a third of its original price, which gives you a PC with substantially better game performance than any console for the same price, PLUS all the benefits of having a personal computer.

Terramax:
Dear all PC loving devs,

No matter how much you moan how superior PCs are to consoles, consoles are here to stay, so suck it up.

Yours sincerely,

The rest of the world.

EDIT: For clarification, I play both PC and console games. I'm just fed up of devs making these pointless comments. Both have pros and cons. People have only had since the 80's do deal with it.

Maybe you want to rethink that.

In China for instance (a rather large country), console sales are banned altogether: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/11/07/researcher-confirms-sony-playstation-3-remains-banned-in-china/

In other parts of the world like South Korea or partially Russia/Brazil people will look at you weird if you are playing games on a console.

On the other hand, in all of the world (even rather rundown parts of Africa or India) you will find "PC gaming" to a certain extent alive and well.

Personally I'm hoping the next generation of consoles will serve as a catalyst for another industry crash to break a few of the large publishers necks.

Robetid:
It all depends on how much people want to dump into thier PC, although acording to nvidia the PS4 is only as good as a "low-end" PC, which doesnt sound too thrilling pre-launch. I've never been a playstation gamer and it doesnt look like now is the time to start.

Although keep in mind that Sony have ditched them from making the PS4 graphics card and gone with their competitor AMD. I don't think they would have said that if it was one of their designs powering it.

Just like to point out you can buy a pre-made, lightly used PC for $400 and slap a HD6870 in it for $100, that'll do DX11 graphics at [email protected], ie the same as what the PS4 is going to do.

You can buy this today, right now, and as you're playing your games in 1 window you can have porn up in another.

"But madster" you might hurr at me "That's $100 more than a PS4, and probably $150 more after the 3-4 month later price drop!"
Indeed it is more money. So, how about we buy 10x 3 or 4 month old games in summer and see who comes out better.
Yeah, all those $70 games you just bought? On sale on Steam for $20 or less. But you want free games, right? And early access to stuff? So, how's that $50 a year feel for that PSN+ subscription to get the same content as is free on PC?
All those PS2 games you have sitting there on disc are nice. Hey, i've got an idea, why not buy them again through PSN because the PS4 doesn't do backwards compatability?
Or, maybe, buy a $5 DVD drive to install into your PC, and run the PS2 games on that with PCSX2, a free PS2 emulator.

Still want the PS4?

Well, your cat just threw your PS4 controller out of your 4th story window, breaking it. So now you have to go buy a replacement. Was that the same price as a $10 keyboard+mouse combo? No, it wasn't. It was a minimum of $50.

Well, it's been about a year now. Oh, what's that? Your PS4 just broke, 1 month out of warranty? Well, go ahead and buy another one, or send it to Sony to get fixed. Won't cost too much, surely?
Meanwhile, your PC just broke too. A fan got something caught in it, snapping and breaking a stick of RAM at the same time. What a mess! Well, you'll just have to buy a new comp-
Oh, wait, no. That'll be $20 and 5 minutes of effort to fix.

So how much cheaper are your console's feeling now?

If I gamed at my work PC I'd never get anything done. It's also an assocaition thing, I associate computers with work and consoles with play. Also just because the machine you play your games on is more powerful it doesn't make the game better, just means how many particles you can render.

But at the end of the day it coems down to a very simple thing of; I cannot be arsed.

madster11:
Just like to point out you can buy a pre-made, lightly used PC for $400 and slap a HD6870 in it for $100, that'll do DX11 graphics at [email protected], ie the same as what the PS4 is going to do.

You can buy this today, right now, and as you're playing your games in 1 window you can have porn up in another.

"But madster" you might hurr at me "That's $100 more than a PS4, and probably $150 more after the 3-4 month later price drop!"
Indeed it is more money. So, how about we buy 10x 3 or 4 month old games in summer and see who comes out better.
Yeah, all those $70 games you just bought? On sale on Steam for $20 or less. But you want free games, right? And early access to stuff? So, how's that $50 a year feel for that PSN+ subscription to get the same content as is free on PC?
All those PS2 games you have sitting there on disc are nice. Hey, i've got an idea, why not buy them again through PSN because the PS4 doesn't do backwards compatability?
Or, maybe, buy a $5 DVD drive to install into your PC, and run the PS2 games on that with PCSX2, a free PS2 emulator.

Still want the PS4?

Well, your cat just threw your PS4 controller out of your 4th story window, breaking it. So now you have to go buy a replacement. Was that the same price as a $10 keyboard+mouse combo? No, it wasn't. It was a minimum of $50.

Well, it's been about a year now. Oh, what's that? Your PS4 just broke, 1 month out of warranty? Well, go ahead and buy another one, or send it to Sony to get fixed. Won't cost too much, surely?
Meanwhile, your PC just broke too. A fan got something caught in it, snapping and breaking a stick of RAM at the same time. What a mess! Well, you'll just have to buy a new comp-
Oh, wait, no. That'll be $20 and 5 minutes of effort to fix.

So how much cheaper are your console's feeling now?

Ok,thath made no sense at all. You are dreaming if you think you can buy a PC with the same performance as PS4 for 500$. Its simply not possible.

Wait, are devs flame baiting us now? God damn it.

Terramax:
Dear all PC loving devs,

No matter how much you moan how superior PCs are to consoles, consoles are here to stay, so suck it up.

Yours sincerely,

The rest of the world.

EDIT: For clarification, I play both PC and console games. I'm just fed up of devs making these pointless comments. Both have pros and cons. People have only had since the 80's do deal with it.

This should probably be a post bemoaning all the interviewers who ask the interviewees these questions.

HellbirdIV:

Terramax:
No matter how much you moan how superior PCs are to consoles, consoles are here to stay, so suck it up.

By some recent estimates, console gaming is going to collapse on itself at some point during this "next generation" due to user and developer backlash towards larger production companies, media outlets and publishers. Do you think people throw around the term "Video game crash" just because it sounds cool?

At this point in time, console gaming and PC gaming are largely one and the same, except PC gaming has more options to tailor to each specific user, better access to online play, better customer service, DLC support and of course widely available downloadable games of any size, not just 2D platformers or "artsy" (lazy) indie games.

The argument that consoles are cheaper is incredibly short-sighted as PC technological developments keep putting year-old machines down to half or a third of its original price, which gives you a PC with substantially better game performance than any console for the same price, PLUS all the benefits of having a personal computer.

I don't think pc gamers understand. If consoles vanish, that is less competition in the gaming industry. You don't want less competition.

BernardoOne:
Ok,thath made no sense at all. You are dreaming if you think you can buy a PC with the same performance as PS4 for 500$. Its simply not possible.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1171046
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/230946660497?

Alas, you were correct. You can't get a PC with the same perf. for $500.
It's $450.98 + shipping.
Takes under 3hrs for someone with no experience to build it all, or i'll do it for $20 if you want.
Bonus points for the 2tb HDD included in that deal. That's over 2000hrs of high definition porn, with room left over for every Mass Effect, Crysis, Ass Creed, Call of Duty and Battlefield made.

I have that exact same graphics card. Here's me playing Monster Hunter Tri while watching Yahtzee. (supplement your favorite PS2/GC/Wii game and porn in your head)
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(I would personally use the $50 left from the $500 to buy a better power supply, just in case. Although if you've been playing on consoles, even the shittiest of PSUs will seem like it's lasted a long time. My power supply has a 7 year warranty. No idea what warranty's on my CPU - i've never heard of a dead i5-2500k that's not user broken)

BernardoOne:

madster11:

So how much cheaper are your console's feeling now?

Ok,thath made no sense at all. You are dreaming if you think you can buy a PC with the same performance as PS4 for 500$. Its simply not possible.

How do you know since hardware specs of PS4 still aren't out while the prices of PC components keep dropping? :]
The only viable argument here is the fact you don't have to do any kind of settings tweaks but honestly those do not bother me and I do find it hilarious that I can play on low end cheap ass notebook for 4 years straight (so far, aint stopping/upgrading any time soon)if I but deal with the fact that it's not the prettiest stuff I've ever seen.

My pc blows a Ps4 out of the water but I'd get one for the exclusives which are pretty nice on playstation. If the devs want to gimp themselves it's up to them I guess but as long as consoles have good games I'll buy them.

Robetid:
It all depends on how much people want to dump into thier PC, although acording to nvidia the PS4 is only as good as a "low-end" PC, which doesnt sound too thrilling pre-launch. I've never been a playstation gamer and it doesnt look like now is the time to start.

Are you really surprised that the company that didn't work on the console says that? Just seems like they want people to buy their product instead.

HellbirdIV:
Do you think people throw around the term "Video game crash" just because it sounds cool?

I'm quoting this because, frankly, they do. How exactly is the industry going to crash when there are an abundant variety of games on the market. Plus with kickstarter and plenty of indie devs around I really don't see it crashing.

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