Saints Row IV Could Have Had President Colbert and Dragons

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Saints Row IV Could Have Had President Colbert and Dragons

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Even with all the lunacy packed into Saints Row IV, some ideas were left on the cutting room floor.

When your crime-sandbox game has aliens, superpowers, and a dubstep gun, where do you draw the line? Volition, the developer behind the upcoming Saints Row IV, has a few surprising answers to that question. The over-the-top series has been progressing to wilder antics with every installment, and there's more logic than you might expect behind that evolution. For starters, the player character in Saints Row IV has reached the lofty position of President of the United States - but that came at the expense of an equally absurd scenario.

"We wanted Stephen Colbert to be the President," says Steve Jaros, creative director at Volition. "I have concept art that's amazing. It's Stephen Colbert on a battlefield holding the American flag, his sleeves are ripped off, he's got a bald eagle tattoo ... It was badass, but finally it was like, fuck it, you're the President. Why give it to someone else?"

A handful of other inspired concepts were also cut from the final product due to conflicts with higher priority ideas. Actor/professional wrestler The Rock was going to deliver a State of the Union address, and Jaros was dying to fit Meryl Streep into an undisclosed character role. On the gameplay side, there was originally a dragon in the game, but it "didn't really work." A gun that summoned a swarm of hammer-wielding monkeys was also thrown out during development. Some of these ideas may see a return via post-launch DLC, but no promises are being made just yet.

Some of the conflicting story elements were a result of the unusual blend of ideas that make up Saints Row IV. The planned final DLC pack for Saints Row The Third was an ambitious campaign titled Enter the Dominatrix, which was never released. Many of its gameplay and plot components were rolled into the development of Saints Row IV, leaving Volition with a lot of material to somehow wrap up into one game. Unfortunately, this led to many completed missions, cutscenes, and voice recordings getting scrapped in the merging process. "We tossed 'em all," says Jaros, "because it wasn't what we needed."

Source: IGN

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Cognimancer:
"We wanted Stephen Colbert to be the President," says Steve Jaros, creative director at Volition. "I have concept art that's amazing. It's Stephen Colbert on a battlefield holding the American flag, his sleeves are ripped off, he's got a bald eagle tattoo ... It was badass, but finally it was like, fuck it, you're the President. Why give it to someone else?"

I would have wanted to earn the Presidency. After all, once you kill the President you become the President.

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Can't wait to see how SR4 ends up turning out though. I would have rather had a hammer-monkey gun than a dubstep gun but that's just me...hopefully Septic Avenger and Crowd Control are back.

Well at least it'll be entertaining. I look forward to making a character with a surprising degree of charm again. Hopefully.

Shoggoth2588:

Cognimancer:
"We wanted Stephen Colbert to be the President," says Steve Jaros, creative director at Volition. "I have concept art that's amazing. It's Stephen Colbert on a battlefield holding the American flag, his sleeves are ripped off, he's got a bald eagle tattoo ... It was badass, but finally it was like, fuck it, you're the President. Why give it to someone else?"

I would have wanted to earn the Presidency. After all, once you kill the President you become the President.

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Can't wait to see how SR4 ends up turning out though. I would have rather had a hammer-monkey gun than a dubstep gun but that's just me...hopefully Septic Avenger and Crowd Control are back.

Well, you could be the Incumbent defending your position, literally, from someone else trying to gain the presidency?

Steven Colbert and John Stewart sending their waves of fanboys after the saints!

Somehow I'm conflicted between the happy knowledge they haven't ran out of ideas yet, and the certainty that whatever they make, it'll probably redefine "batshit crazy" - which may or may not be a good thing.

You know, there's 'reveling in your own unapologetic lunacy'; and then there's 'snorting blow before throwing darts at a word wall to make a script, above which is inscribed, in big flashing neon letters "It's funny because random and references!"'

After Saints Row: The Third, I am not confident that this will be in the former category.

Shoggoth2588:

I would have wanted to earn the Presidency. After all, once you kill the President you become the President.

And an epic battle with President Colbert would have been awesome.

Might have even made this game worth buying.

Is it just me or does this game sound more crazy with every new announcement? Not being able to play it yet is getting worse and worse. I want to ride a dragon made out of monkeys into the White House!

Cognimancer:
Unfortunately, this led to many completed missions, cutscenes, and voice recordings getting scrapped in the merging process. "We tossed 'em all," says Jaros, "because it wasn't what we needed."

This is probably a backdoor way of mentioning the campaign's three hours long.

Quaxar:
Not being able to play it yet is getting worse and worse.

Funny, I feel the opposite. Even more without President Colbert.

NO! Put it back in! I don't care if it adds a year to development time - I require President Colbert!

Zachary Amaranth:

Shoggoth2588:

I would have wanted to earn the Presidency. After all, once you kill the President you become the President.

And an epic battle with President Colbert would have been awesome.

Might have even made this game worth buying.

For some reason I'd imagine that President Colbert would pilot a giant robot. Why isn't this a thing? Why would you skip over that and just make the player the president?

What good are superpowers without Dragons to share them with?

uchytjes:

Zachary Amaranth:

Shoggoth2588:

I would have wanted to earn the Presidency. After all, once you kill the President you become the President.

And an epic battle with President Colbert would have been awesome.

Might have even made this game worth buying.

For some reason I'd imagine that President Colbert would pilot a giant robot. Why isn't this a thing? Why would you skip over that and just make the player the president?

I wanna know why I couldn't just play as Steven Colbert? Better than pretending I'm still the same character from SR2.

So this new Gary's mod project is looking pretty fun huh?

uchytjes:

Zachary Amaranth:

Shoggoth2588:

I would have wanted to earn the Presidency. After all, once you kill the President you become the President.

And an epic battle with President Colbert would have been awesome.

Might have even made this game worth buying.

For some reason I'd imagine that President Colbert would pilot a giant robot. Why isn't this a thing? Why would you skip over that and just make the player the president?

Becuase it already pretty much is a thing, it's a game called Metal Wolf Chaos.

Shoggoth2588:

Cognimancer:
"We wanted Stephen Colbert to be the President," says Steve Jaros, creative director at Volition. "I have concept art that's amazing. It's Stephen Colbert on a battlefield holding the American flag, his sleeves are ripped off, he's got a bald eagle tattoo ... It was badass, but finally it was like, fuck it, you're the President. Why give it to someone else?"

I would have wanted to earn the Presidency. After all, once you kill the President you become the President.

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Can't wait to see how SR4 ends up turning out though. I would have rather had a hammer-monkey gun than a dubstep gun but that's just me...hopefully Septic Avenger and Crowd Control are back.

Well, I remember the old "Authority" story arc where "The Authority" took over the USA, largely due to it being riddled with all kinds of corrupt secret organizations and having made a pretty good attempt to kill them. In the context of that universe it wasn't even all that offensive to me as we had comic stories starting with secret organizations doing things like "51 levels above Presidential Clearance", and sweethearts like IO (International Operations) acting as major antagonists throughout titles like Gen 13, and Wildcats and making it quite clear nobody had a handle on pretty much anything.

I'd imagine that the way this would work in Saint's Row would be pretty much what you describe, with, in the spirit of the game, The Saints becoming so retardedly powerful that they pretty much conquer the goverment and take over. Sort of like the old "Authority" storyline without the positive intent behind it (and incidently the basic point of the story was The Authority coming to realize it was a bad idea, and a huge mistake, to do what they did).

That said, my initial thought is that they might have thought "Enter The Dominatrix" was going to be a little too sexually oriented going by the title, and decided to scrap it part way through, not wanting to push the "sex" button in the US, and instead go with more over the top violence, and irreverant political humor, and not taking those aspects any futher than they were beforehand. Basically deciding part way through "you know if we finish and release this, we'll get a backlash that will make Hot Coffee look pathetic in comparison", and at the end of the day just not having the guts to do it.

I could be wrong about that of course, it's all supposition on my part going by the title. That said, it will be interesting to see what happens when Saint's Row 4 arrives. I do kind of think the series peaked with Saints Row 2 though, 3 got too silly, and 4 seems even worse, it's still fun, I'm still looking forward to it, but I preferred the balance struck by "Saints Row 2" and say "San Andreas" than either dead series "Grand Theft Auto 4" games, or the cartoonish adventures we've started seeing with the "Saints".

That said I would find it amusing if they were to eventually do a Saint's Row/Red Faction crossover (as I've mentioned before), with the Saints trying to say take over smuggling/criminal activity/vice off planet in the near future. Of course if they already run the USA, I suppose it becomes kind of pointless at that point. :)

JokerboyJordan:

Becuase it already pretty much is a thing, it's a game called Metal Wolf Chaos.

That looked pretty damn cool. Now I want that to be a thing in Saints Row 4. Every president should have their own secret mech.

No, come on: President Colbert > Player President.

At the very least, make him the previous president before you take over, OR make him your opposition for re-election.

The thing that's wrong about making a game as crazy as this is the fact that it doesn't give you the freedom of creativity you might expect. Quite the opposite, actually. You have a lot more freedom to be creative when the game is grounded in reality and you're left with your imagination and just enough tools to mess around. Like Just Cause 2 for example. Where half the stuff people did were things that the developer never thought of. They just put you in this sandbox world, gave you the tools and let you decide what to do with those tools.

Saints Row 3, and now SR4 don't do that. They're giving you cheap tricks like dubstep gun instead. How long is that gonna last? You'll fire from a dubstep gun a couple of times and then the novelty will wear off. You can't experiment with those tools. A baseball bat is actually a better tool than a fuckin' dubstep gun. The appeal of those ridiculous things is obvious. Everything you can do in the game is laid out in front of you. Which makes the game obvious and that's not something a free roaming game should ever do. Free roaming games should inspire exploration and imagination. SR3 failed to do that. And it doesn't look like SR4 will be any better. And you can forget about unlocking amazing things like you did in SR2. DLC all the way baby.

San Andreas did that extremely well too. They gave players just enough craziness but it was all grounded in reality. The game didn't need to be stupid to try to be fun. It was just fun.

The fact that there could have been a dragon, and it was scrapped... makes me want to not play now :(.

Man, I want Colbert and the Rock in my Saints Row!

I mean, it's make more sense if you're not the president and running of doing whatever you're going to be do in SR4 since the president just sits there and tells other people to do things, not do them himself.

Colbert and Dwayne Johnson were scrapped? They better be holding this shit back for DLC. I will be all over that like a fat kid on cake.

If you have the options for "no dragons" or "dragons" why would you give up on the "dragons" idea and instead choose "no dragons"?
THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

Shoggoth2588:

Cognimancer:
"We wanted Stephen Colbert to be the President," says Steve Jaros, creative director at Volition. "I have concept art that's amazing. It's Stephen Colbert on a battlefield holding the American flag, his sleeves are ripped off, he's got a bald eagle tattoo ... It was badass, but finally it was like, fuck it, you're the President. Why give it to someone else?"

I would have wanted to earn the Presidency. After all, once you kill the President you become the President.

---

Can't wait to see how SR4 ends up turning out though. I would have rather had a hammer-monkey gun than a dubstep gun but that's just me...hopefully Septic Avenger and Crowd Control are back.

And how many people would even want to kill President Colbert?

I know I wouldnt have.

Whatever of manner of mind-altering substances these men have acquired, I must have them.

In all seriousness I don't really see how hammer-wielding monkey being shot out of a gun that inevitably would have just been a few plates with a trigger and several angry primates with mallets strapped to it didn't beat out a dubstep gun, but isn't that the reason that the gods brought the glory of DLC to man?

Either way they'll all lose their novelty rather swiftly. The series has gotten so insane that all of the crazy stuff they're putting in will just seem more mundane sooner rather than later.

Adam Jensen:
The thing that's wrong about making a game as crazy as this is the fact that it doesn't give you the freedom of creativity you might expect. Quite the opposite, actually. You have a lot more freedom to be creative when the game is grounded in reality and you're left with your imagination and just enough tools to mess around. Like Just Cause 2 for example. Where half the stuff people did were things that the developer never thought of. They just put you in this sandbox world, gave you the tools and let you decide what to do with those tools.

Saints Row 3, and now SR4 don't do that. They're giving you cheap tricks like dubstep gun instead. How long is that gonna last? You'll fire from a dubstep gun a couple of times and then the novelty will wear off. You can't experiment with those tools. A baseball bat is actually a better tool than a fuckin' dubstep gun. The appeal of those ridiculous things is obvious. Everything you can do in the game is laid out in front of you. Which makes the game obvious and that's not something a free roaming game should ever do. Free roaming games should inspire exploration and imagination. SR3 failed to do that. And it doesn't look like SR4 will be any better. And you can forget about unlocking amazing things like you did in SR2. DLC all the way baby.

San Andreas did that extremely well too. They gave players just enough craziness but it was all grounded in reality. The game didn't need to be stupid to try to be fun. It was just fun.

This is pretty much how I fell about Saint's Row 3, and now, SR4. It's like its being written by Seth MacFarlane now. SR2 was written in a smarter manner. When the gags are literally handed to you, the humour falls flat. No delivery in the comedic factor.

Wasn't he the president in some animated film? Monsters vs. Aliens or something? I only remember him as the rest of the film was lackluster at best, but him being the president was awesome.

No Oleg = No sale

So ... this game could've been crazier...

Should I be impressed or concerned

captcha: propane accessories

Dammit, Captcha, stop giving them ideas!!

Adam Jensen:
The thing that's wrong about making a game as crazy as this is the fact that it doesn't give you the freedom of creativity you might expect. Quite the opposite, actually. You have a lot more freedom to be creative when the game is grounded in reality and you're left with your imagination and just enough tools to mess around. Like Just Cause 2 for example. Where half the stuff people did were things that the developer never thought of. They just put you in this sandbox world, gave you the tools and let you decide what to do with those tools.

Saints Row 3, and now SR4 don't do that. They're giving you cheap tricks like dubstep gun instead. How long is that gonna last? You'll fire from a dubstep gun a couple of times and then the novelty will wear off. You can't experiment with those tools. A baseball bat is actually a better tool than a fuckin' dubstep gun. The appeal of those ridiculous things is obvious. Everything you can do in the game is laid out in front of you. Which makes the game obvious and that's not something a free roaming game should ever do. Free roaming games should inspire exploration and imagination. SR3 failed to do that. And it doesn't look like SR4 will be any better. And you can forget about unlocking amazing things like you did in SR2. DLC all the way baby.

San Andreas did that extremely well too. They gave players just enough craziness but it was all grounded in reality. The game didn't need to be stupid to try to be fun. It was just fun.

Yeah, I kind of feel the same. To put it another way, in Saints Row 2 I was the Joker in a straight world. In Saints Row 3 (and it seems 4), I'm a straight man in the Joker's world. It's not bad, but I prefer to be the prime lunatic rather than a silly guy in a world full of lunatics.

What? No Stephen Colbert as President?

Bu-But... WHY NOT?!

Idon'teven.

Alright, that's it. No purchase of SR4 unless Colbert is announced as possible DLC for the small price $100.

Why is it I get the feeling that this game has a gun that shoots exploding puppies?

erttheking:
Why is it I get the feeling that this game has a gun that shoots exploding puppies?

No no no, that's "malevolently hilarious", not "Wat hilarious".

Now, if the gun shot exploding badgers...

The more i hear of the "craziness" the more nervous i get about how much there will be to the actual gameplay it just seems like they are trying to sell this on wtf appeal alone and that isnt a good sign.

dont get me wrong, i like the saints row series, but if they had got Colbert as president for the game, i would have bought it no matter how crappy the game turned out to be. How could anyone scrap that idea, it is pure brilliance.

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