Man Jailed For Viewing "Pixie And Troll" Porn

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Man Jailed For Viewing "Pixie And Troll" Porn

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A reformed sexual predator has been jailed for viewing, you guessed it, hentai.

A court in New Zealand has convicted rehabilitated sexual predator, Ronald Clark, of possessing "objectionable material," and has sentenced him to three months in jail. The objectionable material in this case? Cartoon pornography featuring what Clark's lawyer describes as "pixies and trolls."

The "elves and pixies" depicted in the pornography (or "hentai" if you prefer the Japanese term) apparently look young enough to draw the ire of the courts and anti-child pornography group ECPAT. Yep, it's the whole "lolis are people" argument all over again.

ECPAT Child Alert director, Alan Bell, conceded that no children were harmed in the production of the films and manga, but went on to argue that they encourage potential pedophiles to "to migrate from there to the real thing."

"The distribution of it is damaging," he continued. "You have to ask what impact does it have even if it's not harming [an individual child]."

Bell went on to describe hentai depicting underage characters as a "huge" problem in Japan.

Clark, who was previously convicted for indecently assaulting a teenage boy, argued that he viewed the content for its artistic merit and that he didn't find it sexually arousing. For those of you who don't know your yuri from your shonen ai, that statement isn't quite as ludicrous as it sounds. The line between pornography and art is a particularly fine one in the anime and manga industry. Numerous major artists began their careers with erotic doujinshi (self-published work) and some, like Ghost in the Shell and Dominion Tank Police creator, Masamune Shirow, are arguably known more for their T&A work than their ground-breaking fiction. Clark argues that the conviction is ludicrous, and that he could, in theory, be convicted of possessing objectionable pictures of stick figures.

New Zealand isn't the only country struggling with the idea of cartoon pornography. Last year, Swedish manga translator, Simon Lundström, had his 2010 conviction for possessing child pornography overturned when he successfully arguing that prosecuting him for possessing cartoon depictions of child abuse would violate his freedom of expression.

"The criminalization of possession of the drawings would otherwise exceed what is necessary with regard to the purpose which has led to the restriction on freedom of expression and freedom of information," read a statement from the court.

Source: Stuff via The Escapist Forums (courtesy of TopazFusion)

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Grey Carter:

"The distribution of it is damaging," he continued. "You have to ask what impact does it have even if it's not harming [an individual child]."

Bell went on to describe hentai depicting underage characters as a "huge" problem in Japan.

A huge problem in Japan, where they have some of the lowest incidences of violent crime and sexual crime against children in the developed world.

Fuck off Bell.

The conviction is based on groundless pseudo-intellectual postulation, and the exacerbation of the "eww" factor by public hysteria. Certainly nothing more.

Grey Carter:
anti-child pornography group ECPAT.

Fate placed that hyphen well.

ECPAT Child Alert director, Alan Bell, conceded that no children were harmed in the production of the films and manga, but went on to argue that they encourage potential pedophiles to "to migrate from there to the real thing."

Because child porn leads to child rape just like adult porn leads to adult rape, right?

"The distribution of it is damaging," he continued. "You have to ask what impact does it have even if it's not harming [an individual child]."

Okay. What impact does it have? You got facts?

Grey Carter:
Bell went on to describe hentai depicting underage characters as a "huge" problem in Japan.

Yeah, bigger than the suicide rate, the abysmal birth rate with no immigration to offset it, the continuing cleanup from the last earthquake and the shift away from nuclear power, the recent government change, the arguments with South Korea over the Liancourt Rocks and the EVERYTHING with North Korea... yeah, they'll get right on some tasteless drawings.

WOW but it took the staff a long time to get to this story.
I'll believe loli's are people when Texas executes one.

I knew that thread was going places, but I never expected it'd get the Grey treatment. To be honest I am a bit disappointed at how few jabs you took :(

As I've said before on this site: You can't jail someone for watching porn, it doesn't hurt anybody. Where is the justice in this?

Hey guys, let's put a recovering pedophile back in jail for trying to outlet his desires in a harmless way for children and in a healthy way for himself.

Seriously.
Not advocating for pedophilia here, but i don't think i ever saw a convincing study that proves watching Lolicon Hentai makes a person more likely to rape little girls. There's just no proof.

Once again, people with their heads stuck too far up their own arse telling other people what kind of art hey should and should not be viewing. And honestly, big thumbs up to you, Grey, for not going into this and not taking the easy way out by just blowing this off as a pedo watching child porn.

I'm not a particularly big fan of loli by any stretch but it is not a "huge problem" in Japan and it doesn't "encourage" anybody to do any of those things to real children. That was just Ishihara's stuck up campaign against manga and doujin that made it out to be like that. But apparently his novels depicting child rape were totally okay. The same double standard applies in the west, it appears.

For those of you who don't know your yuri from your shonen ai, that statement isn't quite as ludicrous as it sounds. The line between pornography and art is a particularly fine one in the anime and manga industry. Numerous major artists began their careers with erotic doujinshi (self-published work) and some, like Ghost in the Shell and Dominion Tank Police creator, Masamune Shirow, are arguably known more for their T&A work than their ground-breaking fiction.

I'm glad you understand this and that you pointed it out. Remember everybody that has read Yotsuba&!, Pretty Neighbour is canon.

Poor guy. This is the kind of things that makes me wonder if this is still reality.

*Starts reading article*
me: "I'm just so glad this would never happen over here"
*reads about Simon Lundströms case*
Me: "Oh, right... that.."

Bring on the thought police! Because nothing inspires confidence in the citizenry more than randomly jailing people for watching drawings.

Well considering this is the internet >.> ........... <.< pretty sure we are all in agreement about how we feel on this one.

OT: I vote to move the discussion onto "Should swords be treated the same as gun laws?" I mean really, we don't hear enough people saying "swords don't kill people, people kill people....with swords," enough lately now do we?

This is absolutely moronic and sets a dangerous civil rights abusing precedent. If someone isn't living out said questionable fantasy then let them fantasize all they want. Why should they give a shit? Or would they prefer he be out on the street stalking down little girls for the real thing? The morality police need to remove their heads from their asses or one day they'll be coming after us for having naughty dreams.

Can we get some studies done with convicted pedophiles? Ask them if they like cartoon porn with drawn kids. I would be interested in facts here. If you get an overwhelming majority that said yes, and that that they started with it before moving on to the real thing, then go ahead and outlaw all you want. But until you can prove this. SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR COMPLAINTS(child advocacy groups, law enforcement) SO tired of people complaining without evidence. This goes for everything from this stuff to violence from video games, among other issues.

mattttherman3:
Can we get some studies done with convicted pedophiles? Ask them if they like cartoon porn with drawn kids. I would be interested in facts here. If you get an overwhelming majority that said yes, and that that they started with it before moving on to the real thing, then go ahead and outlaw all you want. But until you can prove this. SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR COMPLAINTS(child advocacy groups, law enforcement) SO tired of people complaining without evidence. This goes for everything from this stuff to violence from video games, among other issues.

Amen brother. I agree with you completely. Prove these things or get lost!

Is The Simpsons illegal in New Zealand? Lots of child abuse in that show what with Homer frequently choking Bart, which must lead to hundreds of thousands of child abuse cases across the globe. It's also much more widespread and the USA has a huge problem with yellow fictional people fictionally throttling their fictional kids fictionally in fiction. Because fiction is fact.

l3o2828:
Hey guys, let's put a recovering pedophile back in jail for trying to outlet his desires in a harmless way for children and in a healthy way for himself.

Seriously.
Not advocating for pedophilia here, but i don't think i ever saw a convincing study that proves watching Lolicon Hentai makes a person more likely to rape little girls. There's just no proof.

Im going to play the devils advocate and point out that you could say the exact same thing about actual child porn. The same goes for any kind of porn really.

It still does not change anything about this case though. Its not about wether or not watching Lolicon Hentai makes a person more likely to rape little girls. Its about a sex offender looking at pictures/video of drawn naked children. You are trying to distort the facts and change what the core issue here is.

Candidus:

Grey Carter:

"The distribution of it is damaging," he continued. "You have to ask what impact does it have even if it's not harming [an individual child]."

Bell went on to describe hentai depicting underage characters as a "huge" problem in Japan.

A huge problem in Japan, where they have some of the lowest incidences of violent crime and sexual crime against children in the developed world.

Fuck off Bell.

The conviction is based on groundless pseudo-intellectual postulation, and the exacerbation of the "eww" factor by public hysteria. Certainly nothing more.

Yeah, I agree with that.

Viewing the icky Japanese cartoon porn was presented as if it was child-pornography of actual children. Disgraceful for the law to be bent in this fashion and for people to be locked up for downloading and viewing hentai.

Little Gray:

l3o2828:
Hey guys, let's put a recovering pedophile back in jail for trying to outlet his desires in a harmless way for children and in a healthy way for himself.

Seriously.
Not advocating for pedophilia here, but i don't think i ever saw a convincing study that proves watching Lolicon Hentai makes a person more likely to rape little girls. There's just no proof.

Im going to play the devils advocate and point out that you could say the exact same thing about actual child porn. The same goes for any kind of porn really.

It still does not change anything about this case though. Its not about wether or not watching Lolicon Hentai makes a person more likely to rape little girls. Its about a sex offender looking at pictures/video of drawn naked children. You are trying to distort the facts and change what the core issue here is.

The devil needs a better advocate. In order to make actual child porn you actually need to make a child have sex with someone. And you're right: this isn't about whether art might encourage a person to act(because inspiration isn't a crime, only illegally acting on that inspiration). It's about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not.

Scars Unseen:

The devil needs a better advocate. In order to make actual child porn you actually need to make a child have sex with someone. And you're right: this isn't about whether art might encourage a person to act(because inspiration isn't a crime, only illegally acting on that inspiration). It's about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not.

Its actually not about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not because in most civilized countries child porn drawn or real is illegal. There is no questions here its straight up fact. You can go look it up if you dont believe me.

NZ is taking a stance against Japanisation it seems. The line in the sand is hentai, which is intriguing.

Little Gray:

Scars Unseen:

The devil needs a better advocate. In order to make actual child porn you actually need to make a child have sex with someone. And you're right: this isn't about whether art might encourage a person to act(because inspiration isn't a crime, only illegally acting on that inspiration). It's about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not.

Its actually not about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not because in most civilized countries child porn drawn or real is illegal. There is no questions here its straight up fact. You can go look it up if you dont believe me.

And there are no pictures of children -real or imagined- involved in this case. Fairy tale creatures are not human, and size is not indicative of age. Try again.

Little Gray:
Its about a sex offender looking at pictures/video of drawn naked children. You are trying to distort the facts and change what the core issue here is.

Bare in mind that you are also distorting facts with that first sentence of what I quoted.

He was looking at pictures of pixies, elves, and trolls. There's a big difference. Pixies and elves usually tend to look young, but 99.9% of the time they are of the style that they may look young but they are actually not, because it is a norm trait of such fictional races.

The point is, we aren't even looking at a man being prosecuted over looking at non-existent cartoon children.

We are seeing a man being prosecuted over looking at pictures of non-existent and fictional creatures that are not children, with the prosecution looking to jail him on child porn charges.

There really is no justice, at least in New Zealand, if this guy goes to prison. This would set a horrible precedent for the law systems of the rest of the world and people that like to frivolously accuse people of things: Basically the precedent of:

"Look people, if you are offended by the art people make or the art they look at, you can have them put away so they don't hurt your oh so feeble mind."

Little Gray:

Scars Unseen:

The devil needs a better advocate. In order to make actual child porn you actually need to make a child have sex with someone. And you're right: this isn't about whether art might encourage a person to act(because inspiration isn't a crime, only illegally acting on that inspiration). It's about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not.

Its actually not about whether owning a pencil sketch is illegal or not because in most civilized countries child porn drawn or real is illegal. There is no questions here its straight up fact. You can go look it up if you dont believe me.

We don't even know if the porn involved children, only that a court decided the characters looked too young. The Australia/NZ region is notorious for this kind of hysteria, materials are classed as child porn even when it demonstrably isn't. Porn magazines here won't even print photos of flat chested, clearly adult models because courts have decided that just having any model under a minimum breast size makes it a child porn rag.

We also don't know what sex offence this guy committed. An Australian political worker got put on the registry just for having an erotic book on his laptop which contained underage characters, a book that was legal and readily available in stores.

Personally I don't care what kind of sketch he had in his possession. A drawing doesn't involve exploiting real children, so real harm wasn't done. The gateway argument is stupid, chances are they are mainly used as an outlet to prevent tangible violations of real children from taking place.

Yeah imprison a dude for looking at drawn imaginary picture of fictional races. What's next thought police? When did we give up freedom for imagined security?

kailus13:
As I've said before on this site: You can't jail someone for watching porn, it doesn't hurt anybody. Where is the justice in this?

Cept, you know, actual child porn. You know, with real kids and all. Bad stuff.

Yeah, pretty sure crimes are supposed to involve another person being hurt, damaged, robbed, or inconvenienced in some other way

It's creepy, sure, but should we really be jailing people for fiction?

Not surprised. New Zealand is the same place that banned the non-hentai anime Puni Puni Poemy for its raunchy gags involving elementary school characters.

Grey Carter:

ECPAT Child Alert director, Alan Bell, conceded that no children were harmed in the production of the films and manga, but went on to argue that they encourage potential pedophiles "to migrate from there to the real thing."

So what you're saying is your only major argument is that it's a gateway drug. That weak ass theory riddled with logical fallacies and shown in many studies to be a baseless falsehood.

Fuck off.

TopazFusion:
You know, the first thing I thought of when I found this article was "Hmm, pixie and troll porn? I wonder what they'd make of Corruption of Champions..."

Oh God. I've heard stories.

I'm assuming the entire court would immediately implode?

How did they even found the pixie porn? Did that orgnaisation just claimed that the guy had CP on his computer/in his house and when the police only found pixie porn they still decided to put him on court or else they would embarass themselves?

Wait wait wait, I live in NZ and I think I have some hentai buried in my disk archives somewhere...and pretty much all my friends aren't exactly guilty-free of either watching it or having gigabytes of it stored either, it's just another fucking form of pornography. Hell, it's not even that it is DRAWN and 100% fictional.

I'm fairly sure I'm not going to get caught but this...this is just retarded, coming out of my country.

I think due to the crime rates being so low here the authorities got sick of waiting to put SOMETHING in the news, that has to be it.

Aaron Sylvester:
Wait wait wait...

I think due to the crime rates being so low here the authorities got sick of waiting to put SOMETHING in the news, that has to be it.

You know, inditing yourself is NEVER a good idea :S
Always talk about someone else or JUST say "some friends".

Captcha: talk the talk...

Boris Goodenough:

Aaron Sylvester:
Wait wait wait...

I think due to the crime rates being so low here the authorities got sick of waiting to put SOMETHING in the news, that has to be it.

You know, inditing yourself is NEVER a good idea :S
Always talk about someone else or JUST say "some friends".

Captcha: talk the talk...

You don't understand...(note: I said "I think", I may not) arresting someone for purely having hentai would mean they would have to make THOUSANDS of arrests every single goddamn day! Actually no, make that TENS of thousands. The prisons here won't be able to fit them all.

It appears to only matter if the hentai is linked to child pornography, that is the entire case.
Which is ABSURD because it is virtually impossible to say what defines "child" in japanese anime. You will see toons which look like they're 20 claiming to be 12, and you'll see "children" who are actually hundreds of years old - it's fucking FICTION! Anyone can be anything!

Barking mad, I tell you. I swear the guy was only arrested because they were looking for a reason to arrest him again, that has to be it. Paedophiles are basically the most hated criminals imaginable, and if some of them particularly deserve to not be released into the community then the authorities could theoretically arrest them based on objectionable material (fictional or not) found anywhere near them.

That has to be it >_<

Alan Bell is going to hell for lying.

I fucking hate these people with a passion. Their system should have to actually prove this before sending anyone to whatever. Plus everyone is effected differently by what they see so good luck making a general rule on it.

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