VP Joe Biden Claims "No Restriction" Against Taxing Violent Games

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VP Joe Biden Claims "No Restriction" Against Taxing Violent Games

Joe Biden

In a meeting on a gun control Joe Biden told attendees there's "no legal reason" the government can't tax violent media makers.

Sometimes the American political process just feels like a race on a round track. It doesn't matter how hard or fast you run you just keeping passing the same scenery. This is especially the case with videogames which, despite their ever growing proliferation in the everyday lives of average American citizen, consistently fall under fire from politicians that either don't understand the medium or want some easy points with worried demographics.

The latest offender would seem to be Vice President Joe Biden. During a meeting with faith-based leaders discussing gun control, the subject of videogames came up. One of the people attending, Franklin Graham of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, put forward the idea that the government should consider special taxes for media companies that produce violent content and videogames. Biden, according to another attendee, reportedly said there's "no restriction on the ability to do that, there's no legal reason why they couldn't." Biden then expressed his desire to see further comprehensive studies examining the effects of violent games on developing brains.

There are some important things to note here. This is largely other people claiming that Biden said something, rather than direct quotes from the Vice President himself. That being the case Biden hasn't denied any of the claims and no one has come out with any reasons for the attendees to lie about the goings-on of the meeting. In other words, this seems legit. That being the case, there are fairly big holes in Biden's logic.

A tax on violent would equate to the government placing restrictions on the types of speech a person can engage in, essentially punishing companies that choose to produce violent content with taxes. This tends to be big a no-no as far as the First Amendment is concerned, and as we all know, videogames are protected under the First Amendment. So sayeth the Supreme Court, an entity that Vice President Biden is somewhat beholden to. In short, you actually can't do that Joe, so you might want to stop telling people you can.

Source: Politico

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They should tax violent computers next. And get a Vice President called Dave. And have all law making done by voice command.

Yeah but no but. It's really, really, really boring when Washington want's to legislate to control, or in this case, tax the pretend guns instead of the real ones.

I love being an Englishman at times, one reason is that we don't have to deal with this. Non-religious government ftw.

This whole 'violent video game effects on developing brains' thing is getting God damn ridiculous.

Here's a thought - maybe kids shouldn't be playing M-rated games without the observation and, if necessary, intervention of their parents? But I guess its easier to blame the content then the poor fucking parents of your country. 'Cause those guys vote!

Joe Biden doesn't just make flubs, he is a flub.

The government should tax stupidity. That way people will be forced to learn before they say something that makes me want to punch'em in the jaw.

The entire administration are full of retards, does this really surprise anyone?

It's basically the legalist reason out there. Government can't discriminate based on content. I'm surprised he hasn't done a retraction or something to appear like he knows this.

Saving face is required for politicians, isn't it?

StewShearer:
Biden then expressed his desire to see further comprehensive studies examining the effects of violent games on developing brains.

I always thought a physical bullet would do more harm than a digital one... I guess im just weird like that.

Mr. Biden, there's no legal reason that I can't fart in your general direction and wave my hand to push it into your face either, but that doesn't mean I SHOULD do it.

I Hope that it was just some numbnut putting words into Biden's mouth; I've had no grudge/opinion of Biden coloring my view on his statements, and I really wish I don't have too.

If there is "no legal reason" why they can't tax violent video games then there should be "no legal reason" why we can't tax other forms of violent or offensive media, I vote for the Bible it has plenty of violence and a pretty fair amount of fucking in it.

Oh America, when will you stop being the xenophobic laughing stock of the civilized world?

Meanwhile, in New Orleans another shooting happened. Three guys gunned Mother day parade participants...With real world guns... that shoot real world bullets... at real world people.

Americans, question: what percentage of American citizens are against gun restriction? I just want to understand whether your politicians are idiots (or pretending to be ones), or they just don't want to lose votes?

I'm sorry but when I saw the picture all I could think of "My dick is THIS big"

OT: You wanna make a difference? Tax REAL guns. But we can't do that because guns are a right in this country. Sometimes (i.e. any time I actually think about politics) I think America needs another revolution to fix all this bullshit. So many entitled special interests it's impossible to get anything done anymore.

tehpiemaker:
The government should tax stupidity. That way people will be forced to learn before they say something that makes me want to punch'em in the jaw.

THEN the IRS would have a reason to put the Tea Party under extra scrutiny.
Besides the fact that they are by definition a terrorist organisation.

ye your in dire economic straights and have fucked up politics so why don't you piss of one off your major creative industries in a now global economy...i can't see that potentially having any negative outcomes at all...

VMK:
Meanwhile, in New Orleans another shooting happened. Three guys gunned Mother day parade participants...With real world guns... that shoot real world bullets... at real world people.

Americans, question: what percentage of American citizens are against gun restriction? I just want to understand whether your politicians are idiots (or pretending to be ones), or they just don't want to lose votes?

The reason why serious gun control is unconstitutional is literally right next to the reason why a "violent media tax" is unconstitutional.

Leximodicon:
Oh America, when will you stop being the xenophobic laughing stock of the civilized world?

When the south actually cares about an issue enough to secede again. But since 90% of all politicians are hypocrites that won't happen.

...yet.

A fool elected by fools.

If the VP actually tries to get this thing passed.

Don't be surprise when countries like China and Russia finally implements free speech. With heavy taxes on certain subjects.

Since there's no direct quote, he's denying it, and it wouldn't go anyway, I'm guessing somebody heard wrong and posted it somewhere. Plenty of politicians are dumb enough to speak out in this manner, so if one of them is supposedly heard to say similar, then denies it, it's probably him stamping out a confusing message.

Schadrach:

VMK:
Meanwhile, in New Orleans another shooting happened. Three guys gunned Mother day parade participants...With real world guns... that shoot real world bullets... at real world people.

Americans, question: what percentage of American citizens are against gun restriction? I just want to understand whether your politicians are idiots (or pretending to be ones), or they just don't want to lose votes?

The reason why serious gun control is unconstitutional is literally right next to the reason why a "violent media tax" is unconstitutional.

Yeah, yeah, second ammendment... Written during muskets era... I bet Washington & Co knew that in the future we'll have firearms that can literally slaughter about 50 people in about 15 seconds.

Anyhow, about percentages... Any info?

StewShearer:

During a meeting with faith-based leaders discussing gun control, the subject of videogames came up. One of the people attending, Franklin Graham of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, put forward the idea that the government should consider special taxes for media companies that produce violent content and videogames.

Given the caliber of the people in that meeting I'm just surprised they didn't ask him to tax masturbation.

StewShearer:

The latest offender would seem to be Vice President Joe Biden. During a meeting with faith-based leaders discussing gun control, the subject of videogames came up. One of the people attending, Franklin Graham of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, put forward the idea that the government should consider special taxes for media companies that produce violent content and videogames.

I've got an idea: let's start taxing churches

They've certainly got a much longer & more lucrative history of real-world violence. Seems to me that the Grahams ought to be the ones' ponying up

VMK:
SNIP

While I'm here, I may as well point out that even though gatling guns were still a ways off, he had to guess that weapons of war wouldd continue to grow in power, having already lived in a world with cannons and knowing that people who didn't die immediately might be consigned to death in a medical tent or to infection if they avoid the thing. There is no way that he could not have known that the gun would only get worse.

FalloutJack:

VMK:
SNIP

While I'm here, I may as well point out that even though gatling guns were still a ways off, he had to guess that weapons of war wouldd continue to grow in power, having already lived in a world with cannons and knowing that people who didn't die immediately might be consigned to death in a medical tent or to infection if they avoid the thing. There is no way that he could not have known that the gun would only get worse.

So... Was it intentional or unintetional imperfection of the most important legal act in USA?

Jokes aside, how many people are against possible future gun control policy in USA? I just want to understand this little thing I wrote about previously.

Johnson McGee:

Given the caliber of the people in that meeting I'm just surprised they didn't ask him to tax masturbation.

Nah, that is their only fun, aside from the one they are having with children. Wait, those are catholics... What are Evangilists' little sins?

*Obligatory "jokingly" post scriptum*

VMK:
Meanwhile, in New Orleans another shooting happened. Three guys gunned Mother day parade participants...With real world guns... that shoot real world bullets... at real world people.

Americans, question: what percentage of American citizens are against gun restriction? I just want to understand whether your politicians are idiots (or pretending to be ones), or they just don't want to lose votes?

VMK, the gun control split is about 50/50, thus why it's such a big issue and will never be resolved. If it favored one or the other legislation would have been passed. The recent filibuster on the gun control amendment was an example of politicians pretending to care to save public face, but they and their constituents never actually thought it was needed and had to back out at the last minute to avoid losing the next election.

Similar situation with you first statement. Even people that know that guns do in fact hurt, injure, and kill will feign ignorance and point to games is because even addressing the fact that guns are inherently dangerous means a cut to their profits.

And since The Great Gatsby just came out, I'll leave you off with the author's revelation of the true unbridled American Dream: Being rich at all costs, where the ends always justify the means. Welcome to 'merica.

Even though it's not Joe "Tells handicapped people to stand up" Biden being talked about mostly, I do believe this video pretty much sums up what's going on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txINV-l0qlI

bfgmetalhead:
I love being an Englishman at times, one reason is that we don't have to deal with this. Non-religious government ftw.

Well, on issue like this, ie free speech, I'd rather be in the US actually. Politicians can pass all the dumb laws they want regarding Free Speech, but they'll just get overturned by the Supreme Court. Great Britain has those really awful defamation laws that makes it really easy for journalists to be harrassed for reporting negative information.

Your sane gun laws have probably avoided the kind of high profile violence that could lead to taxes, bans, and age restrictions on violent video games. But, if enough British politicians really pushed for something like that and passed it, I don't think it would be overturned by a court, right? I've definitely read about some MPs who are very unhappy about video games. Other countries like Australia and Germany have all kinds of weird restrictions. Actually, doesn't Britain still have a "classification" system that ends up banning certain movies and games?

I am really interested in a response to this. I didn't spend an hour researching this stuff before hand. I know I've been surprised by the lack of some aspects of free speech in some European countries before.

I'm not sure he realizes that movies, tv shows and music and images all do the same fucking thing...

Or he really believes everyone is this stupid...

Joe here's what this sounds like to everyone else. "Hey look I found something I can generate blame for something that gets fear mongers jimmies all rustled and can extract free money from if they keep hammering it home enough!"

Not exactly subtle.

Desert Punk:
The entire administration Government are full of retards, does this really surprise anyone?

fixed it for ya, because recently there was a amendment placed in an Agriculture bill that lets one of the biggest seed suppliers who uses Genetically Modified Seeds to continue selling their product even if there is litigation going on against said company.

normally, this would mean that said company would have to stop sale of their product while the litigation is on-going, but not for this company.

now why do I bring this up? it was put into a Agricultural Bill, Anonymously, because Congressmen can do that, voted and passed without Congress even knowing of it's existence.

These, no, This is the Government we elected, where a bill that actually only helps overseas farms gets passed without even being known about in Congress, then people act surprised when it happens.

Also, Joe, we have a thing called the Supreme Court, who's ruling is binding to the Federal, and local Government. Maybe you should have a quick history lesson about it's previous rulings.

Taxing a video game for its violent content is a violation of the First Amendment right the Supreme Court levied against it.

By taxing it for its content, you are actively saying "We want to punish people for this speech." People standing for developers for creating it and consumers for consuming it.

Its a slippery slope - I mean, whats next? Tax books that deal with violence? Movies?

Here's an idea Biden - instead of taxing video games, tax guns and bullet sales. That way, you aren't taxing a group of people for something that has scientifically been proven isn't true (the Supreme Court has my back on this one too with their decision in 2011), but you are actively discouraging the use of items that ACTUALLY take 11,000 lives per year in this country (if were lucky, its usually higher [does not count suicides]).

Joe Biden. This is the guy who takes over if something happens to Obama. This guy. And people, you voted for him if you voted Obama. Pray nothing happens to Obama.

amaranth_dru:
Joe Biden. This is the guy who takes over if something happens to Obama. This guy. And people, you voted for him if you voted Obama. Pray nothing happens to Obama.

Or pray if someone takes a shot they get em both :P

Would be far more productive!

VMK:

So... Was it intentional or unintetional imperfection of the most important legal act in USA?

Jokes aside, how many people are against possible future gun control policy in USA? I just want to understand this little thing I wrote about previously.

I tend to believe that gun laws are the way they are because it was not merely the United States army at the time that fought off Great Britain, but any old shmoe with a gun. The idea was that "Okay, in the event of an invasion, citizens have the legal right to take arms against those who would do harm to them" because of an uncertain future. Since then, and definitely before, this sort of privelege has been abused. What follows is, of course, the law then determining the appropriate use of guns and laying down heavily on misuse, and so on. The thing is...we already had guns. They happened and they weren't going to un-happen. You have two choices, then. You either integrate them into society and try to work with them or you alienate them from society and leaven those without wanting in a time of need. It's a sad case of have and have-not.

Really, gun control is a slippery devil to mess with, but I think if you try to control them in a manner the people won't agree with, you'll have alot of gun-toting folks out there to deal with, exactly what any invader would have to handle. Would you inflict that on our own authorities? Those boys have enough on their plate. In my opinion, criminals without guns over the years would start to get cleverer, more capable in a fight because maybe they have no gun, or that they DO when other people don't. Law-abiding citizens are law-abiding citizens, but some people laugh in your face and then shoot. Truthfully, though, if we started getting clever people who are better at being shitty people, we'dd have more problems than idiots with guns. We'd have professionals. I once heard about a man who held up a gas station with a hunk of wood! Which one - the robber or the gas attendant - is dumber, I don't know, but a gun controlled world might have that stick-user pulling out something smarter.

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