Gabe Newell Calls PlayStation 3 A Waste of Time

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Gabe Newell Calls PlayStation 3 A Waste of Time

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Valve big dog Gabe Newell doesn't like the PlayStation 3, and he doesn't care who knows it.

Speaking in an interview with Next-Gen.biz, Newell said that while he expects gamers will be happy with the PlayStation 3 version of the Orange Box being developed by an EA-led team, "I think it's harder to get it to the same standard as the 360 and PC versions."

Newell stood by comments he made earlier in the year, in which he called the PlayStation 3 a "disaster" and suggested Sony should cancel the entire project and start over. "I think (PlayStation 3 is) a waste of everybody's time," he said. "Investing in the Cell, investing in the SPE gives you no long-term benefits. There's nothing there that you're going to apply to anything else. You're not going to gain anything except a hatred of the architecture they've created."

"I don't think they're going to make money off their box," he added. "I don't think it's a good solution."

Newell also took the opportunity to discuss his thoughts on Microsoft's direction with the Xbox 360, standalone physics cards and the future of Steam. The full text of the interview is available here. Valve's Orange Box, featuring the Half-Life 2 collection, Team Fortress 2 and Portal, is now available via Steam and regular retail outlets.

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Yeah, he pretty much said all this stuff when he released a version of Source optimized for the Xbox360 and announced the PS3 wasn't going to get one.

When you buy Orange Box outside of the PC, you're buying TERRORISM!

I get what Newell is saying, and I don't entirely disagree, but what's the benefit in being such an outspoken critic of other's people's shit within your industry? Every week brings us a new "Gabe Newell Hates" headline. And the latest offerings from Valve, while impressive, aren't going to cure cancer or break barriers in any significant way. I'm starting to think Newell is just a jackass.

Not sure if I understand what you mean by "within your industry". Does that mean developers can't criticize developers?

If you read more full interviews of him, you see that usually when he criticizes something, he offers follow-up solutions. For example, he WANTED to put the Half-Life games on the mac. So he went to them and they said "Well, we're always happy to integrate the mac with more games." So Gabe replies "Well, I've worked out a few things you could try to do to help..." come back a year later, that list has long since been thrown in recycling.

When talking about the various problems caused by people not updating their drivers, he suggested Nvidia and ATI put auto-update on their drivers.

I don't know about you, but when someone is trying to fix the gaming world though much of it has no impact on them, it shows he's not a jackass at the least.

I think the man is just grumpy because he doesnt know how to fully utilize the power of the machine and isnt comfortable working with the development tools wich i bet are quite different from the PC/Xbox environment.

I recall a lot of game developers moaning about the complexity of the PS2's dev tools but at the end the console did well, had lots of great games and is still going pretty strong. But who knows, maybe he is right, maybe he is on to something, we'll see. Personally i think the guy has lost it :P

Katana314:
Not sure if I understand what you mean by "within your industry". Does that mean developers can't criticize developers?

I mean it's kind of silly to rag on a company you're doing business with.

I'm starting to think Newell is just a jackass.

Of course, he's just a very deep-pocketed jackass who uses jackass means to get some of the best games ever made, to market, including a pace that's so aggravatingly slow that it just makes the public demand more.

But, hey, John Carmack's too busy trying to make rocket ships to complain about ATI's drivers or nVidia's MX line of budget cards, so why not? And Valve isn't doing business with Sony, at least not directly. EA is, but Valve needs EA about as much as they needed Sierra, which is not much.

There is still no compelling reason to buy a PS3.

Repo Man:
I recall a lot of game developers moaning about the complexity of the PS2's dev tools but at the end the console did well, had lots of great games and is still going pretty strong.

PS2 wasn't the biggest consumer electronics disaster in history when it launched. It had a competitive price point, full backwards compatibility with the PS1 and far less competition for the games it was trying to make. Now there's the 360 on the high end and the Wii and portables on the low end, and there's nowhere for the PS3 to even get a foothold.

Sorry if I sound excessively defensive of Gabe; I'm just very supportive of Valve's persona in general; they don't overcharge for games, or charge extra for commentary, they freely give out all their personal E-mail addresses, and reply to each individual letter (I have several replies in my inbox directly from the man himself), and they're willing to make a joke once in a while. A guy noticed there's a texture in the Portal game files with a "THIS IS SPARTA!" joke. (though I'm not sure if it's seen ingame)

J.theYellow:
Valve isn't doing business with Sony, at least not directly.

That's a bit disingenuous. The PS3 version has his company's name on it, just like the other two. It may not have been his choice to market a PS3 version, or even his preference, but he signed off on it. We can discuss the syntax of "doing business" all day, but my point here is that he's going on record, calling a platform for which he is offering a product "a waste".

The dude's entitled to an opinion, and granted, his resume certainly lends weight to that opinion, but when all you hear form him is about how much he hates ... well, everything, it starts getting hard to take seriously.

What's most interesting about the interview is his backpedaling about his previous ire with Microsoft about how much of a waste their architecture was on the 360. I think the dude sees things in a very unique way, and often speaks his mind without thinking about whether he should or not, or about how he could phrase what he has to say in such a way as to not piss people off. Sounds like just about every software engineer I know, in that way.

And yes, I'm aware of the irony

If reporters are going to keep coming up to him, knowing full well he's going to spout whatever he thinks at the time, then we're going to keep hearing about what he's doing at the time. And yeah, Valve's logo is going to be on the PS3 version of the Orange Box, but EA's is going to be far more prominent (as it was in the Orange Box promo trailer) along with the company who is apparently being subcontracted to port it.

Whatever Newell might have said about the 360 tech, Valve hired programmers specifically to handle optimization for that platform, but they (apparently) didn't for the PS3. I think Sony ought to take that message especially seriously.

Gabe Newell must be right on that because if there's anyone who's an expert at wasting time it's Gabe Newell.

Some time back before Episode 1 launched Gabe did a couple of lengthy video interviews at 1up where he laid into both the X360 and the PS3, clearly what changed between then and now is that Microsoft must have listened to what he said and Sony didn't.

Maybe all such hatred enables him to consume some fat?

Otherwise, I don't see the point, nor the intelligence of his claims.

I'm a little disappointed that more Sony fanboys haven't taken the bait and squealed in outrage at this post, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Valve doesn't make their kind of game.

Phil Migrowen:
Gabe Newell must be right on that because if there's anyone who's an expert at wasting time it's Gabe Newell.

I have trouble imagining that Valve has ever wasted time on anything. I'm sure they have, because after all, they are a game company. However, every Valve release has been a major success and they remain on a short list of companies with an excellent track record.

They're just not out as soon as anyone would like.

Arbre:
Maybe all such hatred enables him to consume some fat?

lol gabe newell is fat lol

What a fat lazy retard...his loss. But I guess he is kicking himself today after inFamous, and many many multi-plat games with improved visuals over the 360.

Cap'n Moe:
What a fat lazy retard...his loss. But I guess he is kicking himself today after inFamous, and many many multi-plat games with improved visuals over the 360.

This article is over two years ago. Gabe still hasn't changed his mind.

Razzle Bathbone:
I'm a little disappointed that more Sony fanboys haven't taken the bait and squealed in outrage at this post, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Valve doesn't make their kind of game.

I don't really see the reason to get annoyed at this guy. Sure, I own a PS3 and not an XBox 360 (I gave it away because I wasn't using it), but that doesn't mean I'm going to call this guy a loser or a jerk for shunning my favorite console and get my knickers in a twist over it and proclaim that the PS3 will smite all 'neath its mighty tread. If he wants to piss off a potential audience that might want to purchase his games, that's his decision. I enjoyed the Orange Box, that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything that this guy says. And if he doesn't want to support my console, then I don't have to play his games. It's that simple. Why get annoyed over a guy who sounds like he's spouting flamebait material?

And yes, Sony has made mistakes. No video game company hasn't.

EDIT:

Darkrai:

Cap'n Moe:
What a fat lazy retard...his loss. But I guess he is kicking himself today after inFamous, and many many multi-plat games with improved visuals over the 360.

This article is over two years ago. Gabe still hasn't changed his mind.

And so it was. My point still stands.

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Broken Blade:

I don't really see the reason to get annoyed at this guy. Sure, I own a PS3 and not an XBox 360 (I gave it away because I wasn't using it), but that doesn't mean I'm going to call this guy a loser or a jerk for shunning my favorite console and get my knickers in a twist over it and proclaim that the PS3 will smite all 'neath its mighty tread. If he wants to piss off a potential audience that might want to purchase his games, that's his decision. I enjoyed the Orange Box, that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything that this guy says. And if he doesn't want to support my console, then I don't have to play his games. It's that simple. Why get annoyed over a guy who sounds like he's spouting flamebait material?

And yes, Sony has made mistakes. No video game company hasn't.

Well said.

Broken Blade:

Razzle Bathbone:
I'm a little disappointed that more Sony fanboys haven't taken the bait and squealed in outrage at this post, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Valve doesn't make their kind of game.

I don't really see the reason to get annoyed at this guy. Sure, I own a PS3 and not an XBox 360 (I gave it away because I wasn't using it), but that doesn't mean I'm going to call this guy a loser or a jerk for shunning my favorite console and get my knickers in a twist over it and proclaim that the PS3 will smite all 'neath its mighty tread. If he wants to piss off a potential audience that might want to purchase his games, that's his decision. I enjoyed the Orange Box, that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything that this guy says. And if he doesn't want to support my console, then I don't have to play his games. It's that simple. Why get annoyed over a guy who sounds like he's spouting flamebait material?

And yes, Sony has made mistakes. No video game company hasn't.

EDIT:

Darkrai:

Cap'n Moe:
What a fat lazy retard...his loss. But I guess he is kicking himself today after inFamous, and many many multi-plat games with improved visuals over the 360.

This article is over two years ago. Gabe still hasn't changed his mind.

And so it was. My point still stands.

Man I know this is completely off topic but with your Broken sword and my broken wings we could make a broken arch-angel. Also to all the PS3 owners if you like the PS3 don't let one guys opinion bring you down.

I don't really like Newell, he can't make a game on time and any release date from him is worthwhile as a night with your mom. But he is right. I don't believe that the PS3 was a major success, at least not as much as the Wii and 360. Competitively, the PS3 can't offer what other machines can.

Most technically advanced gaming console, sure. Rebuttal: others have games. In the end, I don't think that the PS3 was a failure. It's just that the other consoles are more successful.

However, I wouldn't be surprised to see if the console does a 360(pun intended) and suddenly has a mass inflow of new games that fully take advantage of the system and allow it to do what it was always supposed to do. If that happens, I will be happy and will probably buy one.
Until then, I will be happily teabagging the rest of you on Call Of Duty 4 with my trusty(ha ha) Xbox.

Cap'n Moe:
What a fat lazy retard...his loss. But I guess he is kicking himself today after inFamous, and many many multi-plat games with improved visuals over the 360.

Weak, bro, weak.

I'm making a request that mods lock old news stories, especially ones from 3 YEARS ago!

Cap'n Moe:
What a fat lazy retard...his loss. But I guess he is kicking himself today after inFamous, and many many multi-plat games with improved visuals over the 360.

Dumbass, you just bumped a two year old thread.

At this point I really don't give a damn what he says about the PS3. Yeah, it's my favorite out of the 3. To be honest, though, I use Steam. Full support of his work. Also, his opinion is not going to affect mine about the PS3.

Besides, I apologize for sounding so graphic about this ahead of time, but it's true. He's just giving the 360 fanboys (xbots) the proverbial blow job. "Talk shit about the PS3 and they will come", sort of thing. Although the PS3 has had some complaints about the difficulty of dealing with its architecture, it has not had so much hate as this guy has been giving to it. It's getting to the point where he's just being a dick.

Well, I guess you are just as much of a dumbass, and a retard to boot, you were the one trolling that two year old post.

Valve should have sticked to PC only instead of wasting time on the consolefags.

J.theYellow:

I'm starting to think Newell is just a jackass.

Of course, he's just a very deep-pocketed jackass who uses jackass means to get some of the best games ever made, to market, including a pace that's so aggravatingly slow that it just makes the public demand more.

But, hey, John Carmack's too busy trying to make rocket ships to complain about ATI's drivers or nVidia's MX line of budget cards, so why not? And Valve isn't doing business with Sony, at least not directly. EA is, but Valve needs EA about as much as they needed Sierra, which is not much.

There is still no compelling reason to buy a PS3.

Repo Man:
I recall a lot of game developers moaning about the complexity of the PS2's dev tools but at the end the console did well, had lots of great games and is still going pretty strong.

PS2 wasn't the biggest consumer electronics disaster in history when it launched. It had a competitive price point, full backwards compatibility with the PS1 and far less competition for the games it was trying to make. Now there's the 360 on the high end and the Wii and portables on the low end, and there's nowhere for the PS3 to even get a foothold.

No compelling reason to get a PS3? Care to mention the compelling reasons to get a 360, or a Wii?

This thread has been necro'd, a few times it seems, just a friendly reminder before people get in a huff about the content!

Erm, On Topic I guess I should say I'm pretty sure I saw an article* stating that Valve are interested in developing for the PS3 when the time is right, which judging by their release dates could be anytime really, whether that means when PS3 has a larger install base or whether they figure out how to make Source PS3 friendly is anyones guess.

*can't find the article though, I suck.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

You know, I don't mind one way or the other what anyone thinks about the PS3.

But I get ticked off at how big-headed Gabe Newell is. Valve has free license to do pretty much whatever it wants to as far as development goes, and Gabe seems to think that's all thanks to him, rather than everybody else at the studio.

If Gabe Newell died tomorrow, I don't think it would really affect Valve that much, except that they would get a lot quieter; Gabe likes running his mouth off to the press, which isn't a bad thing in and of itself. But every time he does so, it's just to talk about how it's the gamers, not Valve, that don't understand the point of 'episodic content,' or about how putting out one FPS game every three or four years puts them among the greatest studios, or, most commonly, just starting fights with other entities in the industry for no good reason.

Is he really so important to his own massive company that he can pretend to speak for all of them? Isn't it just kind of sad that it's easier to compare Newell to Peter Molyneaux than to compare him to other beloved industry names like Kojima, Miyamoto, or even Bleszinski?

How unjustifiable is it that Gabe Newell is more confrontational than a man that walks around his office with a machine gun-mounted chainsaw?

i think valve is a pretty cool guy, he killz the ps3 and doesnt afraid of anything

Cap'n Moe:
What a fat lazy retard...his loss. But I guess he is kicking himself today after inFamous, and many many multi-plat games with improved visuals over the 360.

High-Class fanboy troll goin' on here. join the fun!

Spy Killer:

Cap'n Moe:
What a fat lazy retard...his loss. But I guess he is kicking himself today after inFamous, and many many multi-plat games with improved visuals over the 360.

High-Class fanboy troll goin' on here. join the fun!

Didn't InFamous sell at best 200,000 copies I'm pretty sure it was a disaster and why pick out InFamous when Uncharted 2 or killzone 2 looked far better.

And the X-Brick 360 with a RRoD rate of about 1/2 in 3 years is any better? lol no.

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