Microsoft Rep Insists Gamers Will Graduate to Xbox 360

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Microsoft Rep Insists Gamers Will Graduate to Xbox 360

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Almost two years after Nintendo started stomping his company's guts out, Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg says Wii owners are eventually going to get over the "novelty" of the system and move up to the Xbox 360.

In an interview with Gamasutra, Greenberg, the director of product management for Xbox 360 and Xbox Live, said the Xbox 360 could succeed in attracting Nintendo's base of casual gamers as well as the hardcore gaming crowd typically viewed as Microsoft's audience. He added, however, that he didn't consider the Wii a "direct competitor," saying, "We actually very much complement the Wii experience. It's obviously clear that we're going head-to-head with the PS3 in this generation. I think what Xbox will be able to do as well as the Wii is grow the market."

"In this generation we're seeing record revenues for the U.S. and globally for the business, and we're seeing more people buying and playing games than ever before, and the Wii is definitely a part of that," he continued, adding that as the market continues to expand, gamers are going to want to "graduate to an Xbox 360 experience."

"Everyone say that eventually the novelty will wear off, right? I think that a lot of people that are buying [the Wii] today are not people that have generally bought consoles in the past, right? You see they're not buying games on it, right?" he said. "They're buying it, it's like something they break out when people come over, and it's maybe a fun thing, but it's almost like the same people that buy a karaoke machine, you know? They're not really buying it for games, they're just buying it as a novelty."

While Greenberg's optimism is commendable, the Wii continues to dominate console sales and make strong showings in worldwide software sales charts. In March, the Xbox 360 sold less than 190,000 units, a flattening of sales that analyst Jesse Divnich said indicated "market saturation" for the console; over the same period, the Wii clocked more than 700,00 units sold.

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... that guy looks scary, like he should be cruising a playground in an unmarked van for children.

Though overall I think the statement is "correct" to a degree, if Wii gamers start developing more "mature" or "Hardcore" game tastes, they will likely move to the 360 for their hardcore needs.

Give me a PS3 over a 360 any day. Sorry.

My 74 year old grandma likely won't upgrade to Halo 3.

To tell the truth when I got a wii I was having fun but then the games got boring doing the same waggle motions for every game so I got bored very quickly with the system (to their credit wii sports is one of the most fun party games I ever played). I ended up trading it for a PS3 and that was a even worse move. I know I'm gonna be pissing off a lot of the sony faithful when i say this but the PS3 in my opinion (and I cant stress that enough) sucks. The games are the same you get on 360 except with framerate issues and download full games to the hard drive even though they have some exclusives they arent anything I havent seen before. So I say this I gotta agree cause I love the 360. Not to say all the game on it are masterpieces but in terms of sheer fun I've ever had with a system I gotta give it to the 360. But as they say numbers will tell the story at the end of the day.

I don't see a massive overlap between the people who want to play Wii sports and people who want gun-battle-slap-fight-12. Then again I could be wrong, my 2 year old cousin could wake up tomorrow and decide she doesn't want a Mii, she wants a Lancer instead.

Or maybe Aaron Greenberg should actually pay attention to who buys the Wii, then maybe he'll turn his attention to making the 360 work, then the RAF will commision it first squadron of Black Slavonians (Sus scrofa domestica vici!)...

I would graduate to the 360 if they had more than just a couple of games that I wanted to play. I bought Mass Effect for the PC a little while ago so there's goes my only real incentive for the system. That, coupled with the fact that the machine is a failure in engineering 101, means I ain't switching over anytime soon.

It's unfortunate because I was a huge fan of the original Xbox.

I completely agree with him, I for one am getting a 360 soon now that I'm sick of my Wii. Mind you it's only because Star Ocean 4 is coming out for it.

Though that guy really needs to work on the annoying way he talks, right?

The Xbox man speaks nothing but truth, the only game I still play on my Wii is Super smash Bros Brawl, the only game that uses a real controller.

Stammer:
Give me a PS3 over a 360 any day. Sorry.

Agreed

To be fair, I had a 360 well before the Wii, but as far as comparative usage goes the Wii generally remains silent. We turn it on every so often when relatives come to visit so they can play Wii Sports, but other than that it pretty much just sits there. The most recent use was when I fired it up for a week or so to play Smash Bros. Brawl after launch.

I suppose one problem in our case is that Rock Band (which I have for the 360) is generally better than any of the other options for a 'party game' for any group of people that are likely to visit. I suppose if I had significantly older or younger people visiting the Wii would get more use, but the novelty factor of waving the remotes around doesn't really make up for the dearth of quality games to play on it.

I think they're more likely to upgrade to a PC really, given that it can do almost all of the XBox tricks and more.

Oh, and the PC doesn't drown in it's own red lights a month after it's bought either.

The_root_of_all_evil:
I think they're more likely to upgrade to a PC really, given that it can do almost all of the XBox tricks and more.

Oh, and the PC doesn't drown in it's own red lights a month after it's bought either.

Agreed. Also, I've never heard of someone going from Wii to 360. It's always to PS3. Afterall, I've never seen someone who lourves Castlevania go to a system notorious for shit platformers and worse rpgs.

TheNecroswanson:

The_root_of_all_evil:
I think they're more likely to upgrade to a PC really, given that it can do almost all of the XBox tricks and more.

Oh, and the PC doesn't drown in it's own red lights a month after it's bought either.

Agreed. Also, I've never heard of someone going from Wii to 360. It's always to PS3. Afterall, I've never seen someone who lourves Castlevania go to a system notorious for shit platformers and worse rpgs.

I second that, but either way M$ is getting your money. And that is mostly true, i went from Wii to PS3 (though admitedly i was going to buy the PS3 anyway, but i had thoughts about a 360 instead)

I've been a hardcore fan of Nintendo for almost 8 years now and over the last two years I've started watching more TV and playing more games on my computer. eventually curiosity got the better of me and I got a Dreamcast to find out why it never took off. After I was finished with Sonic Adventure I asked myself: When was the last time a Nintendo game made you have this much fun? And I kept coming back to Ocarina of Time. So I figured that if it had been so long since Nintendo had made a really good game and the future didn't look promising, It was time to upgrade. As of next Friday I will officially own a real next gen console and my plan to become king of all geeks and nerds will be underway!

Meh I would think people would go for a PS3 just because the Xbox 360 is notorious for failing now. But I really do not think that there will be significant overlap for people who bought a Wii before either of the other two consoles.

In March, the Xbox 360 sold less than 190,000 units, a flattening of sales that analyst Jesse Divnich said indicated "market saturation" for the console; over the same period, the Wii clocked more than 700,00 units sold.

Typo... Don't it needed to been like 700,000 or sumthin liek that?

I support the Wii to a degree, I like getting much better resolution and stuff out of my GameCube games, and I love the stability that the Wii has over other "next-gen" consoles. I enjoy SSBB more for the music as the controls have been dampened.

I do agree that the system should be rid of Friend Codes, DLC should be added (or improved in the case of SSBB), my pre-ordered GHIII should have had stereo sound, and the vertical positioning of the system causes discs to load wrong.

Until they get the 360's "gremlins" problem fixed, I will never buy the system. I know all too well how Microsoft's support system works, and why its best to avoid it at all costs.

As for the PS3, if it were cheaper, didn't play Blu-Rae discs (DVDs look just fine on my 32" wide and are cheaper), supported all of my PS1 and PS2 games, wasn't so BIG, I think I'd consider buying it...

Last but not least, PC gaming. As repetitive as the games have been getting (FPS, RPG, FPS, RPG), I think I'll stick to Star Trek: Armada 2 and RollerCoaster Tycoon 2...

I've had 360 for a while now, and I've experienced no bugs. None of the people I know that have a 360 have experienced bugs. If it gets a bug, you can get it fixed or replaced.

In short, what are you waiting for?

..the fuck? The Wii doesn't complement the 360, it complements the Ps3. The dual free wireless services allow for easy syncage (to any internet service, not to each other, obviously) with both, while the forms can fit together better for storage. Plus, the motion sensing for both actually helps you not lose all your awareness of the play style of the two. It reminds me of that old song Ebony and Ivory, the two seem polar opposites to everyone, but they work really well together.

Where'd he get the idea that the Wii works well with the 360?

Indigo_Dingo:
Where'd he get the idea that the Wii works well with the 360?

Price and game catalogue. You know, the important stuff.

Fire Daemon:

Indigo_Dingo:
Where'd he get the idea that the Wii works well with the 360?

Price and game catalogue. You know, the important stuff.

And what, prey tell, in the games catalogue of the 360 works well with what the Wii has on offer?

Johnn Johnston:
I've had 360 for a while now, and I've experienced no bugs. None of the people I know that have a 360 have experienced bugs. If it gets a bug, you can get it fixed or replaced.

Actually no, the warranty only covers the red ring of death which is the most common problem, fair enough, you think. Well no, because it's not the only problem to plague the 360, the disc drives also break quite frequently, to the point where not only will it not read a disc but it won't even open to allow you to put a disc in. Not covered by the extended warranty, even though Microsoft are aware it's a frequent problem.

More to the point, why should any one buy anything expecting it to break? Sure you can get it fixed or replaced but why should you have to? Why not just buy a more reliable console?

Congrats on your problem free 360, I don't know anyone who hasn't had a problem with theirs.

Indigo_Dingo:

Fire Daemon:

Indigo_Dingo:
Where'd he get the idea that the Wii works well with the 360?

Price and game catalogue. You know, the important stuff.

And what, prey tell, in the games catalogue of the 360 works well with what the Wii has on offer?

Viva Pinata comes to mind. There a lot of more casual games on the 360 than the PS3 and a potential buyer will see that. It also has a much larger games catalouge than the PS3 and the potential buyers will see that. They will also see the much cheaper price tag and jump on that. If they wanted another console.

I don't think the people that are influenced to buy a console by what the see on the shelves would buy more than one console anyway, so they will probably just stay with the Wii.

Fire Daemon:

Indigo_Dingo:

Fire Daemon:

Indigo_Dingo:
Where'd he get the idea that the Wii works well with the 360?

Price and game catalogue. You know, the important stuff.

And what, prey tell, in the games catalogue of the 360 works well with what the Wii has on offer?

Viva Pinata comes to mind. There a lot of more casual games on the 360 than the PS3 and a potential buyer will see that. It also has a much larger games catalouge than the PS3 and the potential buyers will see that. They will also see the much cheaper price tag and jump on that. If they wanted another console.

I don't think the people that are influenced to buy a console by what the see on the shelves would buy more than one console anyway, so they will probably just stay with the Wii.

Thats not complementing, thats overlapping.

Indigo_Dingo:
Thats not complementing, thats overlapping.

Exactly!

The people moving up (so to say) from a Wii to a 360 don't want to get a console that will "compliement" there own, they want something similar, yet more "hardcore" to the Wii. The 360 fits this Bill much better than the PS3. They don't want the opposite gamming experience, they want a familar gamming experience.

But like I said before, I don't think many of thr casual gamers plan on becoming anymore hardcore.

So they think that instead of getting a game to work well with, but hold a flavour distinct from, the one they already bought, they want one thats basically the same, so they can throw out the console they already bought?

Indigo_Dingo:
So they think that instead of getting a game to work well with, but hold a flavour distinct from, the one they already bought, they want one thats basically the same, so they can throw out the console they already bought?

Not quite.

They would rather get the 360 because of the lower price and the games that interest them (arcade and all that jazz). However it will still be a different gamming experience as they are free to choose from all the "hardcore" games in the 360's libary. It's like baby steps really, you start off small and then move up.

Johnn Johnston:
I've had 360 for a while now, and I've experienced no bugs. None of the people I know that have a 360 have experienced bugs. If it gets a bug, you can get it fixed or replaced.

In short, what are you waiting for?

Your faith in M$'s repair and replace service is astonishing. My friend was without his 360 for a month and a half AND they had the nerve to say the damage to his hard drive was HIS fault. And all he was doing was playing Halo 3. Now I will admit that is a special case and I'm pretty sure the odds are around %60 fine and %40 owie when it comes to a 360.

Either way with a next gen console pick you're flipping a coin. Will my 360 eat itself? Or Will my PS3 ever fulfill it's potential?

Also, I find this guy's arrogance with "You can graduate to a 360 experience!" similar to Sony's "You won't be able to find a PS3 on a shelf!"

Another thought: If everyone BUYS a Wii and then decides the novelty has worn off but doesn't return it, a very likely scenario as most people who buy Wii's have youngin's or friends they can have over for Brawl or what have you, then Nintendo wins...by lots.

Fire Daemon:

Indigo_Dingo:
So they think that instead of getting a game to work well with, but hold a flavour distinct from, the one they already bought, they want one thats basically the same, so they can throw out the console they already bought?

Not quite.

They would rather get the 360 because of the lower price and the games that interest them (arcade and all that jazz). However it will still be a different gamming experience as they are free to choose from all the "hardcore" games in the 360's libary. It's like baby steps really, you start off small and then move up.

I'm going to have to defend Indigo here, my friend the Nin-boy says that as soon as LittleBigPlanet comes out he's getting a PS3.

And there are loads of casual games on the PS3, better ones than the weird "casual" games for the 360 like that "1 vs. 100" (love the show btw).

In their conference, Sony showed montages with PSN games that were "casual" like Pixeljunk Eden, Fat princess(?), Ratchet Quest for Booty(again ?), and PSP games like SSD for PSP, R+C Size matters, and some others that escape me at the moment.

To me, those are real games that "casual players" would want to play instead of the weird "You're in the Movies!" crap and the game that iNiS is NOT supposed to be working on "Lips" (where the hell is our Elite Beat Agents 2?!)

But, could you list some "casual" games for the 360 as i honestly can't think of that many. Really, i can't.

But i think that more Wii owners would go to PS3 to compliment their burnning desire to kill everything with some nice games inbetween. The PS3 has plenty of games that are "hardcore" and are either out now or comming out.

To Jumplion:

Yes but if you're friend is following LittleBigPlanet than wouldn't that make him less casual and more of a Hardcore gamer?

I don't think all Wii owners are going to go to the 360 but the more casual players, the ones who for example only own Wii Sports, Warioware and Guitar hero (or something similar) are more likely to get the 360. I persoanlly think the reason for this is the cheaper Arcade version of the 360. The Arcade version is the cheapest and comes with (I think) eight arcade games. This is what I think will draw the casual gamers to the 360.

But remember, the people I'm talking about here are the people who don't know what E3 is, let alone watch Sony's press confrence.

But like I said before, these people are not likely to want to get more than one console, but I think if they did want to get another console than they would probably get the 360.

If they where more of a "hardcore" gamer than they would probably get a PS3.

Fire Daemon:
But remember, the people I'm talking about here are the people who don't know what E3 is, let alone watch Sony's press confrence.

Ahh, that cleared most of the things you said up.

But which type of Wii owner are you talking about, the (as you said) "casual gamer" who knows nothing of the gaming world (Moms n' dads, grandmas and such, chicks with boobs) or the adamant Nintendo fans?

Because if it's the former, then yes most likely they would go for the 360 because of its (illusion) of a casual gaming platform. If it's the latter, then i would imagine that most of them would buy the PS3 as the more "hardcore" (ugh, I feel naughty saying that now) because i am sure they would have had previous experience with frachises in the PS2 era (again, my friend comes to mind with his experience with the Ratchet+Clank games, he loves them even if he sucks at them)

I could imagine my friend enjoying games like inFamous and definately R+C Quest fo' Bootahy unless the control sceem scares him.

There may be some amount of truth to this.

The Wii was the first next-gen console I bought. I had never planned on getting a 360-- in fact before the three major consoles were released, I was a rabid Nintendo fanboy.

I did quickly realize, however, that the Wii wasn't putting out the games I wanted nearly fast enough. Way too many lame party games and gimmicky titles. So I picked up a 360, since (at the time) I didn't want to dish out 600 bucks for a PS3. While I still love my Wii dearly, I notice that there are way more green games on my shelf than white ones.

It's a wonderful idea. But I don't think it works. Nintendo has this, weird trend of creating these rabid fanboys. Sure some people will get tired of the Wii, and might move onto something a little harder, but it's also just as likely that when Wii stops being fun for them, they will simply find something else to do, like collect stamps, or wash the dog. Or many of them will simply grow out of it and not play them anymore because they have other things to do, like "Date" but I guess Microsoft does not understand that concept.

God I've been hearing the same broken record ever since the wii came out nearly 2 years ago, how long does it officially take for a cretain novelty to wear thin? 'cause first they said that in 2007 the wii would get old, then they moved it to 2008...

I think that Wii is in a market exclusive to itself it is good to hook people into video gaming for those that haven't before. When they say that Wii users will graduate to the 360 it's because they will grow out of the Wii. The Wii is for party games that are easy and fun I think that is what makes the novelty of it last that the games are fun that is what gaming used to be the 8 bit characters weren't pretty but we all have played Super Mario Brothers thousands of times.

The only real competitor that Microsoft isn't worried about is Sony. I know I will be crucified by the Sony gods for saying this but PLAYSTATION IS DEAD!!!! At their E3 press conference they touted that 130 titles are coming out in the coming year....for the PS2 they are clinging to their last gen mega product for dear life. They are releasing new packages with games for the PS2 GREAT most people who want a PS2 have a PS2.

I didn't really care about the whole HD DVD v. Blu Ray Battle, but I was rooting for HD DVD just to see Sony and their propensity for creating their own version of a perfectly good format tank so they will learn a lesson. At least I can smile at the fact for every PS3 they actually do sell they loose money because who cares they have already tanked 3 BILLION DOLLARS into the project so whats another few milllion in losses.

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