Treyarch May Not Be Done With WW2

Treyarch May Not Be Done With WW2

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Treyarch says future Call of Duty games may still be set in the Second World War, as there are still a lot of "untold stories" the series can explore.

Treyarch, which has split development duties on the various Call of Duty games with Infinity Ward, elected to return to the Second World War for Call of Duty: World at War, despite the runaway success of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, the first game in the series to be set in the modern day. Call of Duty 4 was a major hit, punching out over ten million copies and powering Activision to the top of the publisher rankings.

"I can't say that there won't ever be a WWII Call of Duty game again, but we're glad we were able to end the war and we're glad we're going to support the title with lots of downloadable content," Senior Producer Noah Heller said in an interview with CVG. "It's gratifying that we're able to show the close for once, rather than the opening. The war is over and both campaigns have a very clear ending."

"If we had time we might have shown the end of the war from many different country's perspectives, and maybe that's a story still untold," he continued. "But in the meantime people definitely haven't seen the final charge of the Red Army, people haven't seen what the fighting was like in Okinawa and I think it's definitely important to show those stories from a polished perspective rather than show some of the mopping up elsewhere in the world."

I don't necessarily want to contradict a Senior Producer, but I don't think I can agree with this sentiment. World War Two is a fantastic game setting but eventually a point is reached where all the polish in the world can't hide the fact that you're about to plug your 27-bazillionth kraut. The only Second World War shooters I've ever replayed are the Wolfenstein games, and while I'm doubtless in a minority as far as that goes I don't think it's a coincidence. Technology may advance but you can only go through so many iterations of D-Day or Stalingrad before you realize you've done this all before.

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What a disappointment. Haven't just about ALL of those stories been told? CoD 4 was such a refreshing change from Grandpa's war.

SmugFrog:
What a disappointment. Haven't just about ALL of those stories been told? CoD 4 was such a refreshing change from Grandpa's war.

Not only that, 3rd grade through 12th grade social studies classes for me were basically "WW2" classes. We just learned about WW2. Actually, it was basically just about the holocaust. We never got into anything before or after it for more than a day and were taught the same things year after year. WW2 needs to be laid to rest. There are plenty of other important things in history that can be taught and have inspiration taken from them.

I'm ready to accept CoD: World at War, but they better try something else after that!

orannis62:
I'm ready to accept CoD: World at War, but they better try something else after that!

I'm not even doing that. I'm done with WWII games unless it happens to be some sort of alternate time-line game. If it says WWII and doesn't have mutants, zombies, aliens, or some other kind of craziness in it, no purchase for me. More stories to tell from WWII? No.

Yeah, this is a dumb move to stick with WW2. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed many previous WW2 titles, and see WW2 as a very important part of world history (Not just US history) and not something to be forgotten...but not putting it in games won't make it forgotten.

CoD4 was an excellent break-away from WW2, so you think the success of that would smack Treyarch upside the head.

No such luck.

BleachedBlind:

orannis62:
I'm ready to accept CoD: World at War, but they better try something else after that!

I'm not even doing that. I'm done with WWII games unless it happens to be some sort of alternate time-line game. If it says WWII and doesn't have mutants, zombies, aliens, or some other kind of craziness in it, no purchase for me. More stories to tell from WWII? No.

i agree far cry 2 is the only good fps coming out

hem dazon 90:
i agree far cry 2 is the only good fps coming out

Did you see those map editing tools for that thing? Not to derail the topic, but Sweet Jesus, what potential that game has!

Hells Highway was good even though it was WWII, and that's because it wasn't just walk forward + shoot = Game

Treyarch, if you don't want to "finish" WWII then make the games 10 dollars or something, because I'm not gonna pay 50 for a CoD that isn't even made by infinity ward.

Malygris:
set in the Second World War, as there are still a lot of "untold stories" the series can explore

Translation: We can't be fucked making up a new plot-line, and will stick to World War 2 in order to rake in the easy money.

Though, seriously, I will refuse to believe that have "untold stories" until they put in an Australian campaign.

Or a european resistance one. European resistance =/= americans with fake british accents and a union jack crayon painted over the stars and stripes. They could make it like gta where you have to do stuff like whacking ss officers and hijacking tiger tanks. That way we can combine 2 of our favourite pasttimes: rampaging through cities and blowing up nazis.

Make a game from the viewpoint of some of those japanese soldiers that spent decades hiding in the jungle, refusing to surrender or believe the war was over. THEN it's original.

Or what about Patton and Montgomerys advance acrossed Italy? Or an actual campaign, not just ONE DAMN LEVEL, focus'd on the Afrika Corps?

Why is it always Northern Europe they focus on? It was called a WORLD WAR for a reason.

TsunamiWombat:
Or what about Patton and Montgomerys advance acrossed Italy? Or an actual campaign, not just ONE DAMN LEVEL, focus'd on the Afrika Corps?

I'm just throwing this out there: in Call of Duty 2, Infinity Ward did have the British Campaign, for the most part, in Africa, fighting the Nazis (and not the Italians, funny enough), who were part of the Afrika Corps.

All-in-all, this is just Treyarch being lazy, and wanting to make excuses for going back to World War 2.

I don't mind WW2 games. Treyarch can do what they want, and let Infinaty Ward (creaters of COD4) keep making Mordern Warfare games! Gotta love compromise!

Picked up Far Cry 2, over this 'game'. I will never, ever, play another WW2 game again, unless it's another Company of Heroes expansion pack. (The 3rd coming expansion reeks of awesomeness)

I would love another WW2 game.

But not from the Call of Duty series.

I don't want to see another "AMERICA FUCK YEAH! KILL DEM KRAUTS!!" rampage through the French countryside. I don't want to see another "Pip pip cheerio let's get them lads! Tea time with crumpets in 3 hours!" sneaky SAS stealth bollocks mission. I don't want to see another "ZA RODINA! NO STEP BACKWARDS!" Soviet human wave again.

How about a game from the German point of view, eh?! Or is it too politically incorrect to play as a Nazi?

Mariena:
I would love another WW2 game.

But not from the Call of Duty series.

I don't want to see another "AMERICA FUCK YEAH! KILL DEM KRAUTS!!" rampage through the French countryside. I don't want to see another "Pip pip cheerio let's get them lads! Tea time with crumpets in 3 hours!" sneaky SAS stealth bollocks mission. I don't want to see another "ZA RODINA! NO STEP BACKWARDS!" Soviet human wave again.

How about a game from the German point of view, eh?! Or is it too politically incorrect to play as a Nazi?

Company of Heroes, does have a complete campaign from the viewpoint of a Nazi Commander.

Oh shit.

cainx10a:

Mariena:
I would love another WW2 game.

But not from the Call of Duty series.

I don't want to see another "AMERICA FUCK YEAH! KILL DEM KRAUTS!!" rampage through the French countryside. I don't want to see another "Pip pip cheerio let's get them lads! Tea time with crumpets in 3 hours!" sneaky SAS stealth bollocks mission. I don't want to see another "ZA RODINA! NO STEP BACKWARDS!" Soviet human wave again.

How about a game from the German point of view, eh?! Or is it too politically incorrect to play as a Nazi?

Company of Heroes, does have a complete campaign from the viewpoint of a Nazi Commander.

I don't see any first person action in Company of Heroes? Which is.. what the Call of Duty series is about. Otherwise you might as well include .. Axis and Allies, Panzer General series... uhm. Those.

Edit: I know I said *game*, but I obviously meant *FPS*.

I truly hope something better is done soon, as has been said many many times WWII is overly played out as it is. I was ecstatic when I learned COD4 wasn't going to be set in WWII, and with Treyarch's slap to the face it just seems like COD:WaW shot COD4 in the knee and continued by dragging it back about 50 years whispering "I guess you know your damn place now, don't you?" the entire way.

Mariena:

cainx10a:

Mariena:
I would love another WW2 game.

But not from the Call of Duty series.

I don't want to see another "AMERICA FUCK YEAH! KILL DEM KRAUTS!!" rampage through the French countryside. I don't want to see another "Pip pip cheerio let's get them lads! Tea time with crumpets in 3 hours!" sneaky SAS stealth bollocks mission. I don't want to see another "ZA RODINA! NO STEP BACKWARDS!" Soviet human wave again.

How about a game from the German point of view, eh?! Or is it too politically incorrect to play as a Nazi?

Company of Heroes, does have a complete campaign from the viewpoint of a Nazi Commander.

I don't see any first person action in Company of Heroes? Which is.. what the Call of Duty series is about.

And Company of Heroes is about WW2, so yeah, it does fall in this category of historical war games. And I thought that might actually answer your question of whether it was politically incorrect to play as a Nazi, since CoH allow you to.

Moreover, even in WW2 fps' we can still play as a Nazi soldier in multiplayer scenarios, albeit, which really need a bit more innovation in terms of game modes.

Well, it's sort of true. This is the COD series' first venture into the Pacific theatre, and there was much more combat throughout Eastern Europe. They had to fight all the way from Moscow to Berlin, you know. It wasn't all interesting, but it was there. And if they're intent on making zombie modes in their WW2 games, they can make up a lot of stories and then tell those.

ElephantGuts:
Well, it's sort of true. This is the COD series' first venture into the Pacific theatre, and there was much more combat throughout Eastern Europe. They had to fight all the way from Moscow to Berlin, you know. It wasn't all interesting, but it was there. And if they're intent on making zombie modes in their WW2 games, they can make up a lot of stories and then tell those.

It may be COD's first steps into the pacific front, but it's not the first FPS to go there. I can only name one off the top of my head, though, and that's Medal of Honor.

cainx10a:

Mariena:

cainx10a:

Mariena:
I would love another WW2 game.

But not from the Call of Duty series.

I don't want to see another "AMERICA FUCK YEAH! KILL DEM KRAUTS!!" rampage through the French countryside. I don't want to see another "Pip pip cheerio let's get them lads! Tea time with crumpets in 3 hours!" sneaky SAS stealth bollocks mission. I don't want to see another "ZA RODINA! NO STEP BACKWARDS!" Soviet human wave again.

How about a game from the German point of view, eh?! Or is it too politically incorrect to play as a Nazi?

Company of Heroes, does have a complete campaign from the viewpoint of a Nazi Commander.

I don't see any first person action in Company of Heroes? Which is.. what the Call of Duty series is about.

And Company of Heroes is about WW2, so yeah, it does fall in this category of historical war games. And I thought that might actually answer your question of whether it was politically incorrect to play as a Nazi, since CoH allow you to.

Moreover, even in WW2 fps' we can still play as a Nazi soldier in multiplayer scenarios, albeit, which really need a bit more innovation in terms of game modes.

Okay, seeing as we have a few games where we can play as the Germans (I really don't want to count deathmatch FPS games like Day of Defeat and such), why are there so few German campaigns? Considering the Eastern Front is far more interesting (well, I most certainly think that way) than the entire overhyped American "fuck yeah" D-Day through France campaign and is where the "all" the action took place. Quite a few Soviet campaigns from the Call of Duty series, but never a German campaign.

Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts is the only game that has a German campaign that I can think of.

But in the meantime people definitely haven't seen the final charge of the Red Army, people haven't seen what the fighting was like in Okinawa

HAHA NO. I don't think that CoD series are even trying to show actual warfare, apart for Hollywood-esque drama and billions of explosions. Real Dawgs play ArmA and Men of War to experience virtual blood, sweat and tears.

cainx10a:

And I thought that might actually answer your question of whether it was politically incorrect to play as a Nazi, since CoH allow you to.

People in general need to learn the difference between Germans and Nazis. Not all Nazis were Germans just as not every German was a Nazi. CoH allowed you to select different doctrines and kinds of units, and most of them were not even remotely related to, lets say SS, which was probably the "most Nazi" of all kinds of german forces. Take note, that the protagonist of the German campaign in Tales of Valor was Michael Wittmann, who fought in a SS unit, and WASN'T a Nazi Party member.

*sigh*

Yep, I'm agreeing with the sentiments here. Going back to WWII after seeing Modern Warfare is seriously a letdown. I've had a BAR in my hands and shot it for maximum damage on Nazis in Wolfenstein, Medal of Honor and FOUR Call of Duty games.

I don't WANT another WWII sim unless it's some type of RPG or an RTS game, something out of the capacity of Treyarch. We have Somalia, Persian Gulf, fighting over in China, or a multitude of locals and modern, even futuristic weaponry. PICK SOME and let's move FPS fighting into the 21 century!

For some reason, game developers don't seem to realise that WORLD WAR 2 AND OTHER WARS ARE BORING WHEN REPEATED!

We get it, the allies won and the evil people didn't.

Get new ideas and MOVE THE FUCK ON.

/rant.

Gindil:

I don't WANT another WWII sim unless it's some type of RPG or an RTS game, something out of the capacity of Treyarch. We have Somalia, Persian Gulf, fighting over in China, or a multitude of locals and modern, even futuristic weaponry. PICK SOME and let's move FPS fighting into the 21 century!

Somalia - too controversial + Americans lost.
Persian Gulf - would make a good vehicle sim, but there were relatively few ground fighting(compared to previous conflicts, of course)
China - definitely interesting, but not AWESUM enough for average CoD fan, probably apart for The Battle of Shanghai it lacked really impressive battles. Oh btw, bad guys won.
Wars in 21st century never had really huge proportions(and I'm glad), they were more based around small squads of men with air support, than EPIC CHARGES OF MANLY MEN that are common in CoD series.

It may appear weird, but it's very hard to find a setting to make an interesting FPS game.
I would pick Korean War, because for average kid "Good Guys" won, and it was big enough to make it similiar to previous CoDs without making it a generic WW2 us versus some nazis game.

Doktor Merkwurdigliebe:

Gindil:

I don't WANT another WWII sim unless it's some type of RPG or an RTS game, something out of the capacity of Treyarch. We have Somalia, Persian Gulf, fighting over in China, or a multitude of locals and modern, even futuristic weaponry. PICK SOME and let's move FPS fighting into the 21 century!

Somalia - too controversial + Americans lost.
Persian Gulf - would make a good vehicle sim, but there were relatively few ground fighting(compared to previous conflicts, of course)
China - definitely interesting, but not AWESUM enough for average CoD fan, probably apart for The Battle of Shanghai it lacked really impressive battles. Oh btw, bad guys won.
Wars in 21st century never had really huge proportions(and I'm glad), they were more based around small squads of men with air support, than EPIC CHARGES OF MANLY MEN that are common in CoD series.

It may appear weird, but it's very hard to find a setting to make an interesting FPS game.
I would pick Korean War, because for average kid "Good Guys" won, and it was big enough to make it similiar to previous CoDs without making it a generic WW2 us versus some nazis game.

I'm hesitant on the Korean War. Or rather "the Korean Police Action" since Congress didn't call it a war. Basically, it's the same as Vietnam. How to turn a game into a great battle sim, I don't think you would start with Korea simply because terrain and tactics may not translate. Especially if people get to the end and it's a draw.

What I was interested in was how they can do these places and make them their own. Similar to how MW2 had Russia as a nemesis and different locales, it should be a fairly decent thing to fight in the various locals of the Modern or Futuristic age without too much of a change up.

Maybe the next Call of Duty could have laser beams. Seriously, the CoD franchise could use a little diversity. Namely, in alternating history and introducing new weapons and storylines to the series.

Doktor Merkwurdigliebe:

But in the meantime people definitely haven't seen the final charge of the Red Army, people haven't seen what the fighting was like in Okinawa

HAHA NO. I don't think that CoD series are even trying to show actual warfare, apart for Hollywood-esque drama and billions of explosions. Real Dawgs play ArmA and Men of War to experience virtual blood, sweat and tears.

cainx10a:

And I thought that might actually answer your question of whether it was politically incorrect to play as a Nazi, since CoH allow you to.

People in general need to learn the difference between Germans and Nazis. Not all Nazis were Germans just as not every German was a Nazi. CoH allowed you to select different doctrines and kinds of units, and most of them were not even remotely related to, lets say SS, which was probably the "most Nazi" of all kinds of german forces. Take note, that the protagonist of the German campaign in Tales of Valor was Michael Wittmann, who fought in a SS unit, and WASN'T a Nazi Party member.

Did you look at the date when you posted this?

A shame, not the same shame for everyone else, but one none the less.

I LOVE WW2 games. I just can't stand Call of Duty. If, say, DICE was to say the next three Battlefield games would be set in WW2, I'd be happier than a fat kid in a butter factory. For those who haven't played BF1942's best-ever fan mod "Battlegroup 1942", you have no idea just how much MORE there could have been in the original BF. Battlegroup had oh, ten times as many maps, twice as many nations, four times the variety of tanks, and six times the variety of aircraft, including the P-38 Lightning.

Gxas:

SmugFrog:
What a disappointment. Haven't just about ALL of those stories been told? CoD 4 was such a refreshing change from Grandpa's war.

Not only that, 3rd grade through 12th grade social studies classes for me were basically "WW2" classes. We just learned about WW2. Actually, it was basically just about the holocaust. We never got into anything before or after it for more than a day and were taught the same things year after year. WW2 needs to be laid to rest. There are plenty of other important things in history that can be taught and have inspiration taken from them.

My classes got into a lot more then that. So much more that I can't stand world war 2 games at all. They're just stupid and tired now. Why do they need to go back to this putrid cliche bucket AGAIN? They've done it more than plenty.

Rusty Bucket:

Did you look at the date when you posted this?

DON'T YOU DIE ON ME, TOPIC! **defibrilator**

It's interesting how that thread was suitable to what's actually happening now.

Gindil:
Namely, in alternating history and introducing new weapons and storylines to the series.

As I generally approve of alternate history stuff, the last game that used such setting AND was good - Silent Storm. The problem is, that it never went mainstream. I don't think that general public would prefer "what if" scenarios over NAZI SHOOTER REHASH #234515 NOW WITH 14% MORE STALINGRAD.

SmugFrog:
What a disappointment. Haven't just about ALL of those stories been told? CoD 4 was such a refreshing change from Grandpa's war.

Not even close. Considering games always do the same old stories, I'd say of the whole war of situations that could translate into games, we've seen about... 10% covered.

And when I heard that WAW was back to ww2 I found a lot of respect for Treyarch. They've got balls. The fact is that it doesn't matter when a game is set, as long as the story is good and the gameplay is tight noting else matters, and the second World War provides more variety and opportunities for great stories and gameplay, involving nearly every nation of Earth, than any other conflict.

From a gaming point of view WW2 simply cannot -and probably will not ever- be topped.

 

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