Robotech Movie To The Rescue

Robotech Movie To The Rescue

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Smallville writers Alfred Gough and Miles Millar have been announced as writers for an upcoming film adaptation of the 80s cult-favorite anime series Robotech.

You may be asking yourself, "What's this about a Robotech movie?" That was certainly my reaction, but the project was actually unveiled all the way back in July at the 2008 Anime Expo; at the time, Lawrence Kasdan of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi fame was attached to write the script, but that's apparently changed now that Gough and Millar are onboard.

The project manages a certain, somewhat unexpected, Hollywood cachet beyond the fact that it's a Warner Bros. production: Executive producers on the project are Akiva Goldsman, Chuck Roven, Drew Crevello and Tobey Maguire. Yes, that's Tobey Maguire as in Spider-Man, who as it turns out is something of an anime fan himself.

The Robotech series as seen in the U.S. is actually an edited collection of three separate Japanese anime series, telling the stories of the three Robotech Wars against the Zentraedi, the Robotech Masters and the Invid. I won't pretend I know anything more about it than what a quick look at Wikipedia told me, but I did watch the show as a kid and I enjoyed it enough that I am both thrilled and horrified at the prospect of the movie. I'd love to see Robotech on the big screen, but I wonder how a two-hour movie can do justice to such a sprawling series, and whenever someone talks about a "reimagining," which this apparently will be, I get a little twitch in my right eye. For now, though, all we can do is hope for the best - and hope Spider-Man won't let us down.

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I want to get excited about this but in the back of my mind theres a little voice going fail, fail, fail...

They should make it a Macross movie instead.

The back of my mind is looping on the possibility of them recreating the Sharon Apple concert complete with the attempted launch of the Macross, and Guld's fatal flight against the Ghost.

This could be just the thing to recharge the western mech scene, video games and all. On the other hand, it could bury it forever.

I feel like someone's whispered in one ear "You've won the lottery", then in my other ear "But you only have 4 minutes left to live."

Khell_Sennet:
The back of my mind is looping on the possibility of them recreating the Sharon Apple concert complete with the attempted launch of the Macross, and Guld's fatal flight against the Ghost.

That's part of Macross, not Robotech. Trying to include it would be a one way ticket to lawsuitville.

Also, as it turns out, the license under which Robotech was created, and which Harmony Gold have used to prevent imports of Macross products wasn't actually legit in the first place. Tatsunoko only had the rights to international distribution of the original animation of Macross and Southern Cross, but they licensed out all subsidiary products as well (toys, model kits, games, etc). That got them sued by Big West/Studio Nue in 2002, so anyone making any Robotech products other than a rerelease of the original content based on anything but the Mospaeda era (which was Tatsunoko's all along), would either have to license any designs and characters they used seperately from Big West (which they may be less than willing to do, since Macross is their most powerful brand, and they'll be unwilling to let derivatives of it clash with their own products, like the Macross Frontier movie next year) or use Mospaeda.

Expect this movie to sail straight into Development Hell.

CantFaketheFunk:
They should make it a Macross movie instead.

Just quoting this for emphasis. Also: This.

Cautious optimism for this movie. Hope it turns out well and doesn't

sail straight into Development Hell.

Khell_Sennet:
The back of my mind is looping on the possibility of them recreating the Sharon Apple concert complete with the attempted launch of the Macross, and Guld's fatal flight against the Ghost.

The back of my mind is splattered against my neck. But seriously, this would be quite cool, I mean I have never heard of the anime before, but if Michael Bay, has anything to do with it, and its anything like Transformers, then prepare for awesomeness.

needausername:

The back of my mind is splattered against my neck. But seriously, this would be quite cool, I mean I have never heard of the anime before, but if Michael Bay, has anything to do with it, and its anything like Transformers, then prepare for awesomeness.

Without Macross, there would be no Transformers. (also, most of the original Diaclone vehicles were designed by Shoji Kawamori and Katsutaka Miyatake anyway)

GloatingSwine:

needausername:

The back of my mind is splattered against my neck. But seriously, this would be quite cool, I mean I have never heard of the anime before, but if Michael Bay, has anything to do with it, and its anything like Transformers, then prepare for awesomeness.

Without Macross, there would be no Transformers. (also, most of the original Diaclone vehicles were designed by Shoji Kawamori and Katsutaka Miyatake anyway)

Not to offend anyone, but before I saw the movie, the only stuff I knew about Transformers was what I could learn from the 80's cartoons.

I just hope this movie isn't as bad as Spiderman 3

CantFaketheFunk:
They should make it a Macross movie instead.

probly will be a Macross movie, most ppl think of the Macross saga as robotech

GloatingSwine:
Without Macross, there would be no Transformers. (also, most of the original Diaclone vehicles were designed by Shoji Kawamori and Katsutaka Miyatake anyway)

Actually the Transformers show came from toys that already existed and they figured "hey, we can sell these with a half-hour commercial". I believe the toys were around at the same time as Macross or before.

Actually, lemme check Wikipedia.

Yep.

The Transformers began with the 1970s Japanese toy lines Microman and Diaclone. The former utilized varying humanoid-type figures while the middle presented robots able to transform into vehicular modes, with the latter robots mimicking everyday electronic items or replica weapons.

Macross didn't come around until 1982, so it came after Transformers.

As for the film, I'm a bit worried from the writers. Not a fan of Smallville myself.

The way I see it, they should just take Macross: Do You Remember Love and do that for the movie. Give the backstory at the beginning, and go right into where Do You Remember Love starts. If you haven't seen it, best you can do is Bit Torrent it and get a really shitty bootleg scan of it, since it has never been released in America and probably never will.

Then again, Harmony Gold DID release Macross as a box set, which I have sitting on my shelf.

CantFaketheFunk:
They should make it a Macross movie instead.

The only thing I fear will lack in an American production of a Macross or for that matter a Robotech movie, is the songs of Minmei and all the idols that song for their pilot lover. In that case, "My Fiance is a Pilot" song which was pretty popular, but with such a factor which will without any doubt be missing from this movie, it won't really be what Macross was all about (Song, Romance and epic battles).

cleverlymadeup:

CantFaketheFunk:
They should make it a Macross movie instead.

probly will be a Macross movie, most ppl think of the Macross saga as robotech

At least as far as I've always been told, Macross and Robotech are the same, in the way that Star Trek TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise are all the same are all. Same universe, same basic storyline, different events/characters/focus. Could be wrong, but that's how I've always thought it was.

Khell_Sennet:

cleverlymadeup:

CantFaketheFunk:
They should make it a Macross movie instead.

probly will be a Macross movie, most ppl think of the Macross saga as robotech

At least as far as I've always been told, Macross and Robotech are the same, in the way that Star Trek TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise are all the same are all. Same universe, same basic storyline, different events/characters/focus. Could be wrong, but that's how I've always thought it was.

Robotech and Super Dimensional Fortress Macross, have the same storyline. At least, the first season of Robotech, is SDFM, with the characters having different name, 'Protoculture' having a whole different meaning (SDFM - Love, Procreativity that only human possess and the Zentradi don't, being a generation of advanced super soldiers, and in Robotech - A source of energy).

But most important of all, were the songs of Minmei, which well, as you can guess, were changed for Robotech; crappy songs were used, I must admit.

WTB Mechwarrior movie :<.

More on-topic. I hold some hope for this movie, we'll see how it pans out.

CantFaketheFunk:
They should make it a Macross movie instead.

This. This This This This THIS. Robotech was an example of everything WRONG with localization- sorry for fans of it. I loved it too, until I discovered Macross lacked all the things that bothered me about Robotech.

It's going to fail. I actually liked Robotech, but there's no way any modern Robotech anything can be good... Although I did really like Macross Plus. But again, that's Macross.

Samurai Goomba:
It's going to fail. I actually liked Robotech, but there's no way any modern Robotech anything can be good... Although I did really like Macross Plus. But again, that's Macross.

The newest Macross (Frontier) is pretty good. It has alot of homages to the original series, including:

A grizzled veteran who gets shot down and his last moments on camera are spent talking about pinapple cake. He comes back the next episode laughing "I couldn't go out like that!" in a lampshade of the death of Roy Fokker from the original series.

An effeminante male character everyone mocks for being effeminant, they call him 'princess'.

Bridge Bunnies

Crazy female Zentradi

"The Minmei Manuever"
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It mixes some comedy in with the space drama.

Irregaurdless, Macross's story was superior to Robotech because it was uhh... Coherent. In Robotech "protoculture" was some wierd "force" humans had when they were in love- in Macross "Protoculture" was simply the ability to be able to reproduce (the Zentradi had deep cultural divides between them and their female counterparts and were a strict military society). Also Macross doesn't skip ahead to a completly different series randomly.

ccesarano:

Macross didn't come around until 1982, so it came after Transformers.

The Diaclone transforming vehicles and Microchangers (the transforming range of the Microman toys) both launched in 1980, this is true, but it wasn't until the Valkyrie toy that launched along with Macross that the popularity of transforming toys really got started. (Diaclone responded with a new range of aircraft to cash in as well, which is where Starscream comes from. Shoji Kawamori designed them as well, and even came back to redo the "Masterpiece" 20th anniversary Starscream).

Irregaurdless, Macross's story was superior to Robotech because it was uhh... Coherent. In Robotech "protoculture" was some wierd "force" humans had when they were in love- in Macross "Protoculture" was simply the ability to be able to reproduce (the Zentradi had deep cultural divides between them and their female counterparts and were a strict military society).

The Protoculture was the race that created the Zentradi (and modified Humans to be able to breed with them). Macross 7 and Macross Zero both revolve around defusing other landmines they've left lying around the galaxy, because they were a bit careless with their science projects.

In Robotech it was an energy generating plant. Great.

TsunamiWombat:

CantFaketheFunk:
They should make it a Macross movie instead.

This. This This This This THIS. Robotech was an example of everything WRONG with localization- sorry for fans of it. I loved it too, until I discovered Macross lacked all the things that bothered me about Robotech.

I hate people that tear Robotech apart for this sort of stuff. Yes, I like Macross better as well, but without Robotech anime wouldn't have gained nearly as much ground as it had. Plus, it was one of the first cartoons to be aired "for children" that wasn't condescending to their minds. Yes, it was a bit cut up, but unlike G.I.Joe they didn't have parachutes every time a plane blew up. People died, and kids knew it. It paved the way for cartoons like Mighty Max and Beast Wars in the 90's, which tended to be more brutal than the other shows, as well as having more politics and ongoing storylines and continuity lacking in most cartoons.

I mean, really, Macross was a show for an older audience, but Carl Macek HAD to modify it because adults weren't watching cartoons then. Except maybe Simpsons, but I think even that was years later. Plus, all that protoculture stuff you are bitching about? That was an attempt to create SOMETHING to tie Macross, Southern Cross and Mospeada together, because otherwise it would be...well, three different shows, and Carl Macek wanted continuity. If he DIDN'T tie those shows together, then he wouldn't have been able to bring over Macross at all, his primary goal. The studio needed a set number of episodes, and Macross wasn't enough on its own.

So, without Robotech, there is a large chance that a lot of people wouldn't even know about Macross. After all, one of the reasons Macross Plus was big was because people had known about Robotech as kids, researched it when they got older and in the anime industry, and started bringing it over because Robotech introduced it all.

No, it's not a perfect localization, but stop being an ignorant child about it. Consider the time period and the circumstances, and even if it was "a bad localization" it at least brought Macross to the shores and pushed the popularity of anime in the west up ten fold. Who knows if DBZ or Sailor Moon, other major pushes to the "genre", would have even come over without the popularity of Robotech.

ccesarano:

So, without Robotech, there is a large chance that a lot of people wouldn't even know about Macross. After all, one of the reasons Macross Plus was big was because people had known about Robotech as kids, researched it when they got older and in the anime industry, and started bringing it over because Robotech introduced it all.

Macross is one of the biggest anime franchises in Japan, behind pretty much only Gundam. You only need to look at how Frontier dominates the DVD and Blu-Ray charts with each new release, and even managed to get both it's soundtrack albums in the mainstream album charts to see that it's a big money name.

Without Robotech there would probably be more of it available, due to it's extreme popularity (and hence profitability). Macross 7 wouldn't due to the expense of it's music licensing, but Zero and Frontier almost certainly would.

Also, as with places like England where Robotech was never on TV, there wouldn't be much change in the amount of anime available, since there would still be the massive international impact of Akira.

GloatingSwine:

ccesarano:

So, without Robotech, there is a large chance that a lot of people wouldn't even know about Macross. After all, one of the reasons Macross Plus was big was because people had known about Robotech as kids, researched it when they got older and in the anime industry, and started bringing it over because Robotech introduced it all.

Macross is one of the biggest anime franchises in Japan, behind pretty much only Gundam. You only need to look at how Frontier dominates the DVD and Blu-Ray charts with each new release, and even managed to get both it's soundtrack albums in the mainstream album charts to see that it's a big money name.

Without Robotech there would probably be more of it available, due to it's extreme popularity (and hence profitability). Macross 7 wouldn't due to the expense of it's music licensing, but Zero and Frontier almost certainly would.

Also, as with places like England where Robotech was never on TV, there wouldn't be much change in the amount of anime available, since there would still be the massive international impact of Akira.

Plus Harmony Gold is blocking Frontiers attempts to bring the newer Macross series over sea's. I'm not exactly sure what the situation is so I am hesitant to scream "OMG HARMONY GOLD DICK MOVE" though, they could be perfectly justified.

Okay, alot of chances in Robotech I can understand, but why god WHY did they completly change Rick's character from an Immature lad who grows up to an annoying F**KING pacisfist who whines about F**KING killing people then turns into a hardened alien slaying bastard? And then they hammer the goddamned pacifism issue the WHOLE series.

They also curtailed the more thought provoking aspects of Roy Fokkers character- in Robotech he's just a sort of dashing air jock, in Macross the man has clear mental problems from years of warfare. He gets drunk before flying, he's a womanizer, and he clearly doesn't care about his own safety. This is why he dies eventually, he gets hit with Shrapnel, KNOWS he's hit, says f**k it and goes to hang out with his girlfreind and bleeds out when the metal digs into vital organs. All over Pinapple Salad.

If they're a moving in on Robotech, I really hope that doesn't mean Gundam is next. Robotech and Gundam are both mecha shows, but they are much larger than the genre of mecha anime to be honest. They both focus heavily on the cruelties of war and how it effects so many people. Somehow I doubt this movie will touch on any of this and just focus on sfx fight scenes, but I hope I'm wrong.

KSarty:
If they're a moving in on Robotech, I really hope that doesn't mean Gundam is next. Robotech and Gundam are both mecha shows, but they are much larger than the genre of mecha anime to be honest. They both focus heavily on the cruelties of war and how it effects so many people. Somehow I doubt this movie will touch on any of this and just focus on sfx fight scenes, but I hope I'm wrong.

There's already been a Gundam SEED (Destiny?) movie announced, hasn't there? And though my Gundam knowledge falls short somewhat on the topic of much further back from Wing, I do know that they made Wing: Endless Waltz as a Gundam film.

Yeah, there have been several Gundam movies but those were made by the same people that made the anime, and they were still animated. This Robotech one is going to be live action and made in Hollywood. There has already been a live action Gundam movie that bombed really bad, I hope they leave it at that.

Khell_Sennet:

At least as far as I've always been told, Macross and Robotech are the same, in the way that Star Trek TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise are all the same are all. Same universe, same basic storyline, different events/characters/focus. Could be wrong, but that's how I've always thought it was.

no they are different

macross is part of the robotech story, it's the first 36 episodes, there are 2 other series in there too, they are the 2nd and 3rd seasons

Khell_Sennet:

At least as far as I've always been told, Macross and Robotech are the same, in the way that Star Trek TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise are all the same are all. Same universe, same basic storyline, different events/characters/focus. Could be wrong, but that's how I've always thought it was.

Robotech is made of three series, Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber Mospaeda. In Japan, the series are completely unrelated. (The "Super Dimension" shows aren't linked either, it was a set of three mecha shows, funded by the same people but made by different studios, shortly after the original MS Gundam in order to cash in on the wave of public interest in mecha shows. The other was Super Dimension Century Orguss 01.)

The fact that everyone associates Robotech with Macross and not the other two shows really shows up what the impact of the show was. You don't see a new Southern Cross series every five years like clockwork.

Okay, alot of chances in Robotech I can understand, but why god WHY did they completly change Rick's character from an Immature lad who grows up to an annoying F**KING pacisfist who whines about F**KING killing people then turns into a hardened alien slaying bastard? And then they hammer the goddamned pacifism issue the WHOLE series.

Ironically, this is why everyone hates Nekki Basara. (Also, he's a cock, which doesn't help). But at least he can rock out like a motherfucker. (seriously, he can rock so hard it gives alien vampires orgasms).

GloatingSwine:

Khell_Sennet:

[quote]Okay, alot of chances in Robotech I can understand, but why god WHY did they completly change Rick's character from an Immature lad who grows up to an annoying F**KING pacisfist who whines about F**KING killing people then turns into a hardened alien slaying bastard? And then they hammer the goddamned pacifism issue the WHOLE series.

Ironically, this is why everyone hates Nekki Basara. (Also, he's a cock, which doesn't help). But at least he can rock out like a motherfucker. (seriously, he can rock so hard it gives alien vampires orgasms).

Not only that, he can rock so hard he causes avalanches and snowstorms. Yeah, i've seen his guitar battle with Miria Genius. Now that bit about the 2nd and 3rd seasons being completly different shows I didn't know. I thought they were all Macross, just different shows.

There have been plenty of Gundam/Macross/ETC movies, but they've all been animated. Live action sounds...iffy to me. The closest it's come is Macross Zero, which was almost inteirly CGI (the veritechs anyway)

TsunamiWombat:

Not only that, he can rock so hard he causes avalanches and snowstorms. Yeah, i've seen his guitar battle with Miria Genius. Now that bit about the 2nd and 3rd seasons being completly different shows I didn't know. I thought they were all Macross, just different shows.

Also, Gigile rocked out so hard he blew up a planet. Admittedly, he was a giant space monster at the time.

And yeah, the Macross shows are SDF Macross, Macross: Do You Remember Love (movie version of the original series, has some new songs, including the titular Do You Remember, Love?, possibly the best anime song of all time), Macross Flashback 2012 (an animated music concert), Macross Plus, Macross 7, Macross Dynamite 7, Macross Zero, and Macross Frontier.

There's a Macross Frontier movie coming out next year.

Even Macross II isn't technically part of Macross. (it was a cash in made without any input from the original creator, it's officially recognised as a parallel universe to the "real" Macross shows though.)

I have to say I'm kind of angry at this idea. Watching Robotech as a kid is one of the things that inspired me to want to make movies. I wanted to make the Robotech movie!
Apart from my petty complaint I bet it'll be good. There's a distinct lack of giant robot fighting in American cinema.

 

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