Xbox One Achievements Are About More Than Gamerscore

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Xbox One Achievements Are About More Than Gamerscore

Achievements - Crippling Addiction

Microsoft's overhauled Achievements and Challenges systems will, at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames.

The Xbox One is bringing more than a few changes to Microsoft's console gaming environment, but some things never change. Well, they don't change as much, anyway: Achievements are sticking around, and your Gamerscore will carry over to the new console. There has been a bit of an overhaul to the system, though: Achievements on the Xbox One will offer digital rewards like unlockable art and game content, and a new system called Challenges will promote timed events for the entire Xbox community to take part in.

Challenges task every Xbox One player with a collective goal to chip away towards, and reward all those who participate. Cierra McDonald, program manager of the Achievements service, details a hypothetical Challenge: "Imagine, for example, a game releases a headshot weekend challenge that requires players to cumulatively headshot one million baddies in a three day period," she says. "And every person who participates and meets the challenge's goals gets the unlock on his or her achievement history and reap its reward."

On the Achievements front, you can indeed earn Achievements from watching TV or listening to music on your Xbox, but these won't boost your Gamerscore - that's just for games. They will, however, be able to reward diligent couch potatoes with rewards like "sneak peek content, early access, or subscription extensions."

Most games already unlock new content when you complete the actions that earn Achievements anyway, but the real point of interest here is the Challenges system. Although Challenges can't earn you Gamerscore points, the unlockable rewards will almost certainly convince lots of gamers to participate, and that presents a great opportunity to breathe new life into older games when the multiplayer servers start getting lonely.

Source: Major Nelson

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Was I the only one joking about Xbone giving out achievements for for watching TV? O_o

Red X:
Was I the only one joking about Xbone giving out achievements for for watching TV? O_o

There. ah. wha. WHY. Why would they do this. Do you think they surf the webs looking for stupid ideas just to implement them into this system?

"Microsoft's overhauled Achievements and Challenges systems will, at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames."

As opposed to actually making fun and engaging video games that grab my attention due to things actually inside the game and not just because I want to unlock a new hat for my avatar by getting two million headshots along with the rest of the Internet, which is how games have been doing it for the past thirty years and people have never been motivated to play before because no hats.

Yeah.

There's a certain phrase that kept coming to my when I read this, though it could just be from general distrust of Microsoft at the moment.

I think it went something like: "Carrot and Stick"

Is that like that Ubisoft system where doing stuff in Anno 2070 could get you points for stuff in ACII?

I love how Microsoft continually act like they've reinvented the wheel, when really all they've done is taken a wheel everyone else perfected long ago and made it so the wheel falls of your axle if you don't check into the garage every day.

*boopBIP!*
Achievement unlocked
-100life - Bed Sores Hurt.
Description: Watch over 100 hours of TV in a five day period.

I don't mind the challenges, pretty much what ME3's multiplayer was doing (or maybe still is, been a long while since I've played it). I'm even alright with the thought that getting achievements unlocking content because, as the article points out, it happens in a lot of games anyways and beyond that it's something that anyone that plays the game can get/try for.

But seriously...there aren't enough Picard Facepalm Pics on the internet to describe the concept of getting achievements for watching tv.

Shamanic Rhythm:
I love how Microsoft continually act like they've reinvented the wheel, when really all they've done is taken a wheel everyone else perfected long ago and made it so the wheel falls of your axle if you don't check into the garage every day.

good analogy, but i'd say they took large gears out of a machine and replaced them with smallers gears half of which don't affect the main mechanism.

RJ 17:
But seriously...there aren't enough Picard Facepalm Pics on the internet to describe the concept of getting achievements for watching tv.

There's over 9000!!!

2007 just called. I have to give their joke back now.

But yeah, achievements for watching TV is just ridiculous.

RJ 17:
*boopBIP!*
Achievement unlocked
-100life - Bed Sores Hurt.
Description: Watch over 100 hours of TV in a five day period.

And that cheeve is precisely the reason the Kinect is required. So that it can watch you to make sure you are actually watching TV and not cheating the system by just leaving the TV on and going out for a walk or something.

That and so it can use facial recognition to make sure you are actually the one unlocking the cheeve. No helping your little bro get through that really tricky level! Little guy has to learn on his own.

Make achievements better, but make everything else suck. It's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them.

Red X:

Shamanic Rhythm:
I love how Microsoft continually act like they've reinvented the wheel, when really all they've done is taken a wheel everyone else perfected long ago and made it so the wheel falls of your axle if you don't check into the garage every day.

good analogy, but i'd say they took large gears out of a machine and replaced them with smallers gears half of which don't affect the main mechanism.

I see your analogy, and raise you a 'they designed and marketed the car around the stereo rather than the car'.

Remember when "playing the game" was motivation enough to actually play them? What happened to those days, when we would play unique and exciting games that had colors other than gunmetal gray and dirt-brown?

leet_x1337:
"Microsoft's overhauled Achievements and Challenges systems will, at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames."

As opposed to actually making fun and engaging video games that grab my attention due to things actually inside the game and not just because I want to unlock a new hat for my avatar by getting two million headshots along with the rest of the Internet, which is how games have been doing it for the past thirty years and people have never been motivated to play before because no hats.

Yeah.

Basically everything you said. It's sad nowadays really.

Shamanic Rhythm:

Red X:

Shamanic Rhythm:
I love how Microsoft continually act like they've reinvented the wheel, when really all they've done is taken a wheel everyone else perfected long ago and made it so the wheel falls of your axle if you don't check into the garage every day.

good analogy, but i'd say they took large gears out of a machine and replaced them with smallers gears half of which don't affect the main mechanism.

I see your analogy, and raise you a 'they designed and marketed the car around the stereo rather than the car'.

Call
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"The Xbone has become an excessive Swiss Army Knife, a core product propped up by Mediocre, impracticle or useless features features"

;)

Neronium:
Remember when "playing the game" was motivation enough to actually play them? What happened to those days, when we would play unique and exciting games that had colors other than gunmetal gray and dirt-brown?

leet_x1337:
"Microsoft's overhauled Achievements and Challenges systems will, at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames."

As opposed to actually making fun and engaging video games that grab my attention due to things actually inside the game and not just because I want to unlock a new hat for my avatar by getting two million headshots along with the rest of the Internet, which is how games have been doing it for the past thirty years and people have never been motivated to play before because no hats.

Yeah.

Basically everything you said. It's sad nowadays really.

read Myamoto's interview by [Eurogamer] this week, it'll put things in some perspective

Hmm, well, it occurs to me that this is less likely to be used to breathe life into older games more than to help market newer gamers. What's more when they mention "subscription extensions" it pretty much means they seem to be keeping the idea of "people shall pay for our multiplayer" and chances are that alone will keep me away from the new X-box, I don't play multiplayer very often, but I do not agree with paying X # of $ per month for the right to get my head kicked in with whatever fighting game I'm interested in for the moment. If the Playstation keeps that free, that's where I go. Chances are this generation I won't be buying both consoles again.

That said, I am vaguely reminded of the old plans Blizzard apparently hatched for "Blizzscore" which was the idea that by earning achievements in Blizzard games you would keep your point total climbing and unlock content in other games as they were released. Basically if you had X amount of Blizzscore you might get a character type in Diablo that can't be accessed otherwise, or things like that. As I understand things the idea died due to QQing over the fact that people who didn't play a lot of Blizzard games could wind up with substantial content they could not access, which was kind of the point. This seems like the same basic idea but with trivial content, and across a broader spectrum of games as opposed to those from one company (and rewarding loyalty to that company).

At the end of the day this is doubtlessly just going to be an advertising gimmick, a contest for the newest game to get people interested in the game and help hype it. The ability to unlock advertisements designed to get you to pay more money for other products.... I actually find the idea of unlocking a "Sneak Peek" which is basically a sort of commercial kind of hilarious. :)

Therumancer:
Hmm, well, it occurs to me that this is less likely to be used to breathe life into older games more than to help market newer gamers. What's more when they mention "subscription extensions" it pretty much means they seem to be keeping the idea of "people shall pay for our multiplayer" and chances are that alone will keep me away from the new X-box, I don't play multiplayer very often, but I do not agree with paying X # of $ per month for the right to get my head kicked in with whatever fighting game I'm interested in for the moment. If the Playstation keeps that free, that's where I go. Chances are this generation I won't be buying both consoles again.

You have to pay a monthly subscription of 5 euros, I don't know the rest of the prices but i suspect it's $/£5 too, keep in mind this is for multiplayer every other online function like communication is free but this means you have PS+ too meaning you get all the benefits plus multiplayer (not that buy saying "Plus" is a bonus or anything).

PS4 have done similar if not the same as Xbone, the difference is, PS4 didn't reveal too much at first too (and i'm guessing) re think their strategy
-No DRM for first or even second party games.
-DRM is all on the publishers
-Giving more tangible (sorta) benefits for online subscription
-No convoluted way to block used games or traded games
these are small things but just enough and they don't pander or condescend like M$ did, it may not last, after 4 years they may make their online completely free. But at the moment PS4 are being reasonable, i doubt i'll take advantage more than 4 times though as i like fighting games.

leet_x1337:
"Microsoft's overhauled Achievements and Challenges systems will, at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames."

As opposed to actually making fun and engaging video games that grab my attention due to things actually inside the game and not just because I want to unlock a new hat for my avatar by getting two million headshots along with the rest of the Internet, which is how games have been doing it for the past thirty years and people have never been motivated to play before because no hats.

Yeah.

OK Thank you! I was afraid I might be the only person wondering about that? But I am one of those jaded old time gamers. I hate game achievements. Games are supposed to be the achievements all on their own. If you need to add an artificial grind element to every game, you failed.

I've always dreamed of the day that I could grind away at arbitrary goals for the meaningless approbation of total strangers. I mean, who hasn't played through a "fetch ten thousand snarf ears" quest in an MMO and thought, "Wow, I wish there was a way to add aspects of this kind of game play to every game I play."

...Before anyone gives me grief: yeah, I now, strictly optional, don't have to pay any attention if you don't want to participate, yatta yatta. It just annoys me that someone at Microsoft thinks that this is a feature that will draw in gamers. Worse, that for some gamers they might be right.

Not this one.

Wait wait wait... Let me get this straight... If I get enough achievements, whether that be through standard gameplay, finding secrets, or performing awesome feats, then Microsoft is going to 'reward' me with exclusive previews, demos and shit, which all boils down to trying to get me to purchase another product?

Am I the only one who's terrified that corporations are going to try to implement this idea that advertisements are supposed to be some sort of reward for the customer? Are they trying to make us BEG for ads?

I believe the more accurate headline is "Due to crippling negative backlash and juvenile comments from their own PR department, Microsoft jangles their keys in front of the masses. Oooh Shiny!"

Microsoft could use a distraction. Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Conway Twitty!

Then Microsoft does that strange little dance that Ashley Simpson did off stage after she was caught lipsynching on SNL.

Red X:

Therumancer:
Hmm, well, it occurs to me that this is less likely to be used to breathe life into older games more than to help market newer gamers. What's more when they mention "subscription extensions" it pretty much means they seem to be keeping the idea of "people shall pay for our multiplayer" and chances are that alone will keep me away from the new X-box, I don't play multiplayer very often, but I do not agree with paying X # of $ per month for the right to get my head kicked in with whatever fighting game I'm interested in for the moment. If the Playstation keeps that free, that's where I go. Chances are this generation I won't be buying both consoles again.

You have to pay a monthly subscription of 5 euros, I don't know the rest of the prices but i suspect it's $/£5 too, keep in mind this is for multiplayer every other online function like communication is free but this means you have PS+ too meaning you get all the benefits plus multiplayer (not that buy saying "Plus" is a bonus or anything).

PS4 have done similar if not the same as Xbone, the difference is, PS4 didn't reveal too much at first too (and i'm guessing) re think their strategy
-No DRM for first or even second party games.
-DRM is all on the publishers
-Giving more tangible (sorta) benefits for online subscription
-No convoluted way to block used games or traded games
these are small things but just enough and they don't pander or condescend like M$ did, it may not last, after 4 years they may make their online completely free. But at the moment PS4 are being reasonable, i doubt i'll take advantage more than 4 times though as i like fighting games.

That could be true, but as I understood things Playstation multiplayer was going to remain free, the plus service was just for other features pretty much like it is now (ie free games you can play as long as you keep up your plus membership, discounts, etc....).

Red X:

Shamanic Rhythm:

Red X:
good analogy, but i'd say they took large gears out of a machine and replaced them with smallers gears half of which don't affect the main mechanism.

I see your analogy, and raise you a 'they designed and marketed the car around the stereo rather than the car'.

Call
image

"The Xbone has become an excessive Swiss Army Knife, a core product propped up by Mediocre, impracticle or useless features features"

;)

Well, the vision of the future being pursued is to create an "all in one" system like some near future novels that combines everything into one system. The problem is that we're not quite there in terms of the infrastructure or desirability yet. Microsoft seems to be hoping that by cramming all of this social stuff and other features into this system, they can get people to use the X-box for everything rather than other social services like Facebook or whatever, and thus wind up in control of, and taking a cut from, pretty much everything. Their objective which is actually ahead of it's time on some levels, is both bogged down by excessive greed, and misses the point that people don't want to give up the other was they do these things, they just want the X-box to play games. Oddly the simplicity of a console (put a game in, start playing) is one of it's big selling points, and as Microsoft (and admittedly others) jam more and more into it, and require all these registrations, menus, and online services to do anything, they are shooting themselves in the foot and not providing the product people fundamentally want. PC gaming might make a comeback because at the end of the day the consoles are becoming just as much of a headache to work with, and with a PC you just pay for your internet, not another service on top of that.

All told though, you are kind of seeing a vision of the future, since I do believe all these devices and services will be intergrated together at some point. The thing is that for this to work someone is going to have to innovate a new infrastructure that replaces the old one and get there ahead of everyone else, and take over the new market, while at the same time not being totally greedy about it in order to make it accessible to everyone. When and how this will occur is unknown, but I feel it will given time... it will be through whatever winds up truly replacing the internet. As things stand now it's impossible to see this kind of intergrated system because all the carriers, companies, and infrastructure providers all want a separate cut, and on top of that want to control everything, so you wind up in a situation where nothing is truly simple or intergrated since your forced to use a separate infrastructure for each and every business player in anything you do. Even PCs wind up being jammed with internet cookies due to the fact that just doing basic stuff you have to register with as many as a dozen different companies and sites and all of them expect to track you and have you go through a billing and business infrastructure they control.

At any rate, I'm rambling. The bottom line is I agree with you... from the way it sounds the new Xbox is going to be a disaster It seems like a clunky attempt to make a machine that does everything, when really people want it to only do one thing.

What? Why? Okay if I didn't think microsoft completely lost it till now, now I definitely do think so. We don't need MOTIVATION to play games. If we weren't already motivated to play games, we wouldn't spend $499 on a console & $60 on a game for it. Stop thinking games are work microsoft, they aren't. They are games.

Whatever happened to the customer is always right? Have game companies forgotten that motto?

I can't understand why achievements were ever a thing, really. Why would it matter to me now?

Fuck achievements in general. The absolute only time I have ever though achievements could be good was Ratchet and Clank games. Insomniac know how to do achievements.

As for watching TV and unlocking things, it's the same as eating Doritos and getting exp. Ridiculous arbitrary fucking why.

some stupid twat at Microsoft:
Microsoft's overhauled Achievements and Challenges systems will, at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames.

some stupid twat at Microsoft:
at long last, give you the motivation you need to play videogames.

some stupid twat at Microsoft:
give you the motivation you need to play videogames.

some stupid twat at Microsoft:
the motivation you need to play videogames.

some stupid twat at Microsoft:
MOTIVATION... PLAY

Is Microsoft admitting that they don't...
Uh...

I...
uh...

huh?
*Sigh*

Now, I like Achievements. (More than Trophies) Doing something cool in a game and getting a little arbitrary number as a reward is pretty cool.

and that 975/1000 has kept me playing a game longer than I might have, there's a certain satisfaction in "thousanding a game" I play differently than I normally do, I'm forced to play better than I normally do. and yes I do get more frustrated than I normally do at some of the more tedious Achievements. I think all and all Achievements are a positive thing.

But...
But, if Microsoft seriously believes that there is no motivation to play video games beyond their stupid arbitrary reward points they should not be allowed to publish video games.

Games. Are. Fun.
That's the only fucking motivation you need to play them.
If you're not having fun, you put the game down.
If you are having fun, you play that game until your thumbs break off your hands and flee for their safety.
If Microsoft can't be bothered to make games worth playing because their Achievement system is the only thing motivating players to play their games they should just stop. Take their hands off the keyboards and go home.

As if I needed more reasons to hate their Kinnect spying, DRM laden glorified Cable box that still has the nerve to charge money for Xbox live

*sigh* I just have four words to say; I fucking hate achievements.

I very rarely go after achievements so this won't make one jot of difference to me.

Mostly because I'm not purchasing an Xbox One console.

Like mentioned the weekend headshot thing is much like ME3' s multiplayer. Nothing new there. It's the TV achievements that are silly.

cheeeer!
thank you microsoooft =))))) <3 xxx
i finally got a reason to play videogames!!
...
hahah
what brilliant entertainers they are!
they know their craft!

I think the community challenges thing is a really cool idea.

That's it. That is literally the only positive thing I have found to say about the Xbone so far.

Man, Meatloaf would have had to have made the song so much longer if it had been 'One out of Loads and Loads Ain't Bad'.

I...ugh...gah...bu...Omg the stupidity in that statement has brought my brain to a screeching halt. Achievements for watching TV?

'Congratulations you watched 50 episodes of 'jersey shore' without killing yourself!'

....Microsoft...go home your...well fucking stupid but lets go ahead and say 'drunk' to give you an excuse.

Seanfall:
Achievements for watching TV?

'Congratulations you watched 50 episodes of 'jersey shore' without killing yourself!'

For that kind of achievement, you should be rewarded with more than Gamerscore. I'm thinking nothing less ten million dollars and free beer for the rest of your life.

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