EA To Nintendo: Wii'll Come Back If U Sell More Boxes

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EA To Nintendo: Wii'll Come Back If U Sell More Boxes

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"We're a rational company," says EA, "we go where the audience is."

"The only thing they can do to fix it is to sell more boxes," says EA's Frank Gibeau, on the current dismal fate of Nintendo's Wii U. "We publish games where we think we can make a great game and hit a big audience, and make money," he added. "That's why we're here, that's why we have an industry." But until Nintendo moves more units, EA isn't about to throw good money after bad. It's already shipped four titles - Madden, FIFA, Need For Speed and Mass Effect - but those titles just aren't selling, because the Wii U itself hasn't sold enough boxes.

Nintendo seems to be willing to do what it takes to win EA back. "EA is a great partner of ours, they've had games on our platforms before," says Nintendo of America's Charlie Scibetta, who feels confident that, once the console's library grows, the Wii U will be a more attractive platform for publishers. "Once some of these games come out that we have planned between now and the holiday and into 2014," Scibetta went on to say, "it will help drive the install base." Presumably until EA sees concrete numbers, it will hold back on Wii U development.

Certainly Nintendo had a pretty decent E3, even without a press conference, with some fun looking title announcements. There's no telling what the future may hold for Nintendo's console; EA may see the boxes sell yet.

Source: MCV

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How bout you go to the console and help to attract audience's ...?

I see you've already done my job for me Karloff :P

Or maybe nobody wanted a madden, Fifa need for speed or mass effect port on the wiiU.... Could that be why they failed to sell?
Games sell consoles, not the other way around.

They will be fine once a new Zelda comes out. All the fanboys will pick it up and Nintendo will continue trucking along in 3rd place.

I find it funny that EA has greater faith in Microsoft to sell more consoles than Nintendo when (A): Nintendo has already sold Wii U systems and (B): Microsoft has been having a horrific PR nightmare with the Xbox One. I understand that EA may not be able to take back its promises at this point, but EA continuing to insist that they 100% back Microsoft seem insane.

Perhaps you could just work on some titles with budgets that take the smaller user base into consideration?

EA is certainly playing an interesting game atm.
First they denounce the WiiU, then they state that they'd like a balance between Sony and MS and then say they might come to WiiU after all.

I think they're really just trying to grab the best deals everywhere they can get and play them off as best as they can.

Karloff:
EA To Nintendo: Wii'll Come Back If U Sell More Boxes

It's already shipped four titles - Madden, FIFA, Need For Speed and Mass Effect - but those titles just aren't selling, because the Wii U itself hasn't sold enough boxes.

Or those particular games aren't selling because they target a different audience demographic. Let's be honest here - the Wii-U is much more of a family orientated console and many people buying games for it are looking for family friendly games that they can play together in the living room with their kids. None of those games meet that criteria - even Need for Speed has no local multiplayer option as I understand (havn't played it) as such those games are going to fall to the bottom of the list of games that families want to buy.

EA can stuff it.

At this point you should be the ones begging Nintendo to take you back. After your twitter tantrum, and outright lies about what the system can and cannot do, Nintendo is certainly not in the position to beg for YOU to come back. Especially how you guys were going all buddy buddy to the now hated Xbone.

I really can't imagine why ME3 as the last part of a trilogy wouldn't sell on a plattform on which the first two parts aren't available.

So which is it, do they have games in development or not??

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/10/fifa-13-wii/

Oh no, whatever shall Nintendo do!!!
Sorry that I don't mourn due to the fact that you try and sell the same software as a new title.

I think the secret here is going to be an incredible exclusive or three. Along the lines of Resident Evil 4 on the Gamecube (before it "crossed" over, it was a GC exclusive for years). A mind-blowingly awesome, genre defining game exclusively on the WiiU. And not some bullshit "lift the controller up to look through the screen" or "flap your arms about Star Wars". No, I mean an actual good game. A new Street Fighter, a driving game to match GT/Forza, something.

The other problem the Wii U has is that it's more powerful than the other two and worse, has a different architecture than its future next gen counterparts. Currently, it's the most powerful console but any games that make use of its power will not work on 360/PS3. So people make PS3/360 games and may or may not port them across....this is the story I as a PC gamer have had to live with for some years now (getting 360/PS3 sloppy seconds). And next gen will be worse, as it'll be lower-spec than the XB3/PS4 AND have PowerPC processor, not X86 like the other two, making porting games much more work.

It could be the current model is really dying. As Yahtzee described in a recentish video, all one is really picking between when choosing a console, is whose walled garden you'll play in and which exclusives you get. There is nothing else to choose between them. As long as MS, Sony and Nintendo customers cannot interact or play with each other, the current model will persist and big publishers will continue incrementing numbers on CoD/WoW clones.

Yea, EA is in no position to make terms, but we've got to be honest here, not many people have WiiU in the first place. In fact, 60% more Vitas have been sold than WiiU. You heard me, Vitas. My source is VGChartz, but if anyone has conflicting that data (5M vs 3M console units) then I'm all ears

So, this is what I was talking about on another thread. Despite doing worse than expected, the WiiU is currently on track to outsell the 360 (Wii sold 3.5 million consoles, in the same period the 360 sold 3.2m). There is no reason at this point not to expect the WiiU to be the best selling console of this generation. I can see hedging bets in case PS4 or XBone do better than expected, but dissing WiiU's sales doesn't make a lot of sense, unless you're simply uninterested in markets outside the US (US sales are abysmal).

Nor does it make sense to complain that games that *already* sold a shitload of copies before being ported to the WiiU failed. Of course nobody bought ME3, not only does ME3 rely on having the first two games on the same console, everybody who wants the game *already has it*.

What was that old phrase? "If you build it, they will come." If you make a great game, people will buy the console for that game. It isn't that difficult of a concept, EA.

Norrdicus:
Yea, EA is in no position to make terms, but we've got to be honest here, not many people have WiiU in the first place. In fact, 60% more Vitas have been sold than WiiU. You heard me, Vitas. My source is VGChartz, but if anyone has conflicting that data (5M vs 3M console units) then I'm all ears

it takes time to sell consoles, and the Vita came out a year earlier. If you look at the similar time period the Vita sold 2.2m from December 2011-June2012, the WiiU sold 3.5m from November 2012-March 2013.

Ronack:
How bout you go to the console and help to attract audience's ...?

My thoughts exactly. A platform only sells as well as the games on it. Imagine if Dead Space 3 had been on the Wii-U with the gamepad serving as a second screen for same-console co-op and around the house play? That would be fantastic! Hell, even SimCity could work with the Gamepad.

rofltehcat:
EA is certainly playing an interesting game atm.
First they denounce the WiiU, then they state that they'd like a balance between Sony and MS and then say they might come to WiiU after all.

I think they're really just trying to grab the best deals everywhere they can get and play them off as best as they can.

More like they see the writing on the wall, really.

Their plan was to denounce the Wii U and move into a big partnership with Microsoft, who would support their hefty DRM measures. But then the Xbone reveal conference bombed out. The E3 conferences only made Xbone's troubles worse, too. So now EA's reaching out to whoever they can, because they've realized that if the DRMBox doesn't sell enough units, their big strategy has fallen apart.

That's why they're suddenly talking about how Sony/Microsoft's competition is good for business, and how they'd be willing to come back to the Wii U if it sells better.

A pity that Nintendo doesn't develop games of the same sort as EA, or they could tell EA to shove it.

Ronack:
How bout you go to the console and help to attract audience's ...?

They are helping attract an audience, they said they aren't making games for it!

Oh EA you funny people. You said the same about the dreamcast as you plunged the knife in segas back. You think you smell blood in the water EA? Perhaps your right and it's mostly yours.

Adam.
If you write another title like that, I will go to you're house and stick a Wii up your ass. No, not the remote. The whole system.
Seriously. It was painful. I know what I said was extreme, but still.

doublepostaccident oOOPSY

tlgAlaska:
I really can't imagine why ME3 as the last part of a trilogy wouldn't sell on a plattform on which the first two parts aren't available.

Add to that the fact that even before the WiiU release, EA announced the ME Trillogy pack with several DLC for $60 on the PS3, while the WiiU version of only ME3 was $50.
So even if anyone was interested, they would have gotten the fucking trilogy instead of that one games.
The fact that the port was made by an inexperienced team and that even before the release there were news of how the game has FPS drop issues... yeah... I just wonder why the game didn't sell.

I googled a couple "top wii games" lists and EA only had a couple titles, and none were exclusives. People buy the Wii because they like Nintendo games (Mario, Zelda, etc) not because of EA's massive game library. If I could scroll through the lists and say "wow EA really made bank of the Wii" thats one thing, but it doesnt really seem like thats the case. I wonder why the world's most hated game publisher is publicly attacking one of the world's most loved console companies. Nintendo is throughly divorced from the console wars so dragging them into MS and Sony's stink seems like a poor strategy.

Karloff:
It's already shipped four titles - Madden, FIFA, Need For Speed and Mass Effect - but those titles just aren't selling, because the Wii U itself hasn't sold enough boxes.

No, I don't think that's why. Every single one of these titles was available on the 360 (which people already have) first and is targeted at 360's demographics. The Wii U could have sold a hundred million units and these games still wouldn't do well on it. Make something that isn't a hasty port of a year-old game, and I guarantee it'll sell better.

I know you're afraid to ever take any risks, but try making a decent exclusive platformer. Wii U owners eat that stuff up; it's the reason they got a Wii U instead of a competing console full of AAA trash. Hell, if you don't wanna do anything too risky, give Wii U owners a version of your upcoming Plants Vs Zombies 2 and sell it on the eShop. It's ideal for the console, small enough in scope that the port shouldn't be too expensive to make, and not something that people have already been playing for a year (but only if you get on it quick).

P.S. Thanks

I feel like I'm going crazy, because what EA is saying makes sense to me. I'm not saying they are right necessarily. But here is something to consider. They make games that need to sell multiple millions of copies to be a success. That's poor budgeting, but that's how they do it. How are they supposed to sell, say, 3 million copies of a new game when there are only 3 and a half million consoles? The only way to do that is if either nearly everyone with a Wii U buys one, or people buy a Wii U to get the game. It seems like common sense to me that, after seeing where backing Microsoft based on hopes and prayers got them, they are willing to look at other options, but are going to wait for some concrete reason to do so.

As for them "changing their tune", that will happen when you get a new CEO, and time passes to show you a more successful route. Plus, come on. How many people on here, pre- and even partially post-launch were denouncing the Wii U as a total failure? And you are attacking EA for doing the same thing, then realizing later they were possibly in error?

AldUK:
They will be fine once a new Zelda comes out. All the fanboys will pick it up and Nintendo will continue trucking along in 3rd place.

You misspelled "Microsoft"

thebobmaster:
I feel like I'm going crazy, because what EA is saying makes sense to me. I'm not saying they are right necessarily. But here is something to consider. They make games that need to sell multiple millions of copies to be a success. That's poor budgeting, but that's how they do it. How are they supposed to sell, say, 3 million copies of a new game when there are only 3 and a half million consoles? The only way to do that is if either nearly everyone with a Wii U buys one, or people buy a Wii U to get the game. It seems like common sense to me that, after seeing where backing Microsoft based on hopes and prayers got them, they are willing to look at other options, but are going to wait for some concrete reason to do so.

As for them "changing their tune", that will happen when you get a new CEO, and time passes to show you a more successful route. Plus, come on. How many people on here, pre- and even partially post-launch were denouncing the Wii U as a total failure? And you are attacking EA for doing the same thing, then realizing later they were possibly in error?

You're explanation for what they're saying makes sense. However, it's basically saying that EA's management is idiotic in more words, because that attitude is going to run into significant problems after Christmas this year.

Yeah, EA's gotten used to an install base of multiple millions on all platforms, but with the advent of the next gen consoles, that attitude is going to have to change extremely quickly, or they'll be saying the same thing about all of them. When you compare similar time frames from launch, the Wii U has sold more consoles than any other platform out there with the singular exception of the Wii. And when the PS4 and Xbone are finally released, I expect that fact won't change, because both of them are priced higher than the U was at launch.

Kwil:

thebobmaster:
I feel like I'm going crazy, because what EA is saying makes sense to me. I'm not saying they are right necessarily. But here is something to consider. They make games that need to sell multiple millions of copies to be a success. That's poor budgeting, but that's how they do it. How are they supposed to sell, say, 3 million copies of a new game when there are only 3 and a half million consoles? The only way to do that is if either nearly everyone with a Wii U buys one, or people buy a Wii U to get the game. It seems like common sense to me that, after seeing where backing Microsoft based on hopes and prayers got them, they are willing to look at other options, but are going to wait for some concrete reason to do so.

As for them "changing their tune", that will happen when you get a new CEO, and time passes to show you a more successful route. Plus, come on. How many people on here, pre- and even partially post-launch were denouncing the Wii U as a total failure? And you are attacking EA for doing the same thing, then realizing later they were possibly in error?

You're explanation for what they're saying makes sense. However, it's basically saying that EA's management is idiotic in more words, because that attitude is going to run into significant problems after Christmas this year.

Yeah, EA's gotten used to an install base of multiple millions on all platforms, but with the advent of the next gen consoles, that attitude is going to have to change extremely quickly, or they'll be saying the same thing about all of them. When you compare similar time frames from launch, the Wii U has sold more consoles than any other platform out there with the singular exception of the Wii. And when the PS4 and Xbone are finally released, I expect that fact won't change, because both of them are priced higher than the U was at launch.

I agree that EA is not looking at the long term, and needs to change their business projections. Readjusting goals and aims takes time, though. Do I think EA will succeed until they do? No. I think they are idiots for having game budgets so high selling millions of copies is required to turn a profit. Until they change their business model, though, it seems to be reasonable to take a "wait and see" approach, after doing otherwise with the Xbomb bit them in the ass.

"We ported 4 games to a system that are old enough that their entire target demographic already owns them and isn't going to buy a new console to play the same game again."

I'd say something about new and original, but EA so yeah, why waste more time.

mirage202:
"We ported 4 games to a system that are old enough that their entire target demographic already owns them and isn't going to buy a new console to play the same game again."

I'd say something about new and original, but EA so yeah, why waste more time.

That and said ports were also completely half-assed in one form or another. It's almost like EA INTENTIONALLY sabotaged that lineup just so they had an excuse to cut off Wii U support, though now with MS being under fire they're going to have to switch their attitudes fast.

And once again Nintendo proves if you want to get a job done you have to do it yourself. 3rd parties apparently can't be trusted to do their jobs properly

rofltehcat:
EA is certainly playing an interesting game atm.
First they denounce the WiiU, then they state that they'd like a balance between Sony and MS and then say they might come to WiiU after all.

I think they're really just trying to grab the best deals everywhere they can get and play them off as best as they can.

The publishers are playing a fucking insane game with Nintendo.

They whine like crazy that they can't sell games on it because of first party stuff outshining them.

So Nintendo doesn't bring it's first party stuff for 9 months.

So they don't release games for the Wii U because it hasn't sold enough units?

Seems legit. It'd help if EA wasn't hellbent on doing things backwards, they released Mass Effect 3 on Wii U the same day as the trilogy for less on every other format. What did they think was going to happen?

Ronack:
How bout you go to the console and help to attract audience's ...?

Beacuse let's be honest, EA games don't sell consoles. Nintendo's first party games always sell Nintendo consoles. There's not much EA can do and I find it sad that Nintendo fans are blaming EA for not making games for the console with such low sales.

Its a business.

Its just as a silly to get mad at Ubisoft for making Rayman Legends a multiplatform title. Rayman Origins sold the least on the Wii, making Legends and exclusive would have been a huge mistake.

Again, its business.

It's not EA's obligation to make games for the Wii U to sell it. Nintendo made the console, Nintendo should be responsible for moving its units. Releasing the Wii U with no major 1st party games was a very damaging idea. The Wii U can't hold on to JUST Super Mario 3D World alone for the holiday season. And the new Smash Bros comes out next spring so we can forget about that for the holidays.

The Wii U is going to need more than Mario, Pikmin and The Wonderful 101 (so basically Mario and 2 niche titles) to sell units.

The Wii actually had a stellar first year with it releases. Seems like the Wii U was put out a year earlier than expected to make up for Nintendo's recent losses.....

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