Adam Orth To Give Speech On Online Toxicity

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First I was classified as a pirate, and now I'm part of an angry mob reigning destruction everywhere i go accross the internet? I wish my online lifestyle was actually as fun and exciting as it sounds.

Oh dear. We'd better call the waahmbulance.

If we have all this power though, can we get Don Mattrick fired too? Because that guy's the bigger asshole.

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Oh man, this is just too rich.

I mean, of all people to discuss this, Mr. #DealWithIt himself.

It sounds to me like he's giving a speech on "Passing the Buck: How not to take responsibility for my own actions"

"Orth, a former Microsoft creative director who now runs his own Orthnation consultancy firm"

Uh-oh, I can't see this going well. What exactly would he be consulting people on?

According to http://wschange.com: This domain orthnation.com has been created / registered the 2013-05-29. It's still not online yet...

I think he learnt why not to be a dick.

They fired him after he angered their consumers and now he's lecturing about why you shouldn't listen to them?

So he got fired? Well i guess Adam Orth

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Just Got Dealt with

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I hope he had to pay to do this talk and then noone shows up, probably because they were all out watching talks from people who actually matter in the industry. Like the guy who decided the PS1 should be grey.

He's pulling a Sarkeesian; Now he's the holy saint who has said nothing wrong whatsoever and is telling the rest of the civilized world what an awful place the internet is, while shutting himself away from any comment or discussion :)

To be fair, he's only reacting the same way most do when faced with enormous critisism. If anyone's tried something similar, writing something stupid or claiming something false without knowing it, they know just how borderline psychotic some posters can be and how depressing it is to see the posts piling on top of eachother to tell you how wrong you are.
It's not a great experience.

So he's going on the defensive and needs to heal mentally. The guy lost his job based on a tweet, for crying out loud.

I wish he'd just apologize instead. Maybe he did and no one wrote about it.

The irony in this is just
so
beautiful :')

Best case scenario:
There'll be hecklers.

Scenario better than the best:
Not even the people that hate him can be bothered to heckle a guy who is such an unimportant little spec of dirt in the gaming industry.

I agree we need to confront online toxicity (hell, the post above is filled with it), but this is not the guy we need to be hearing that from.

I'm actually sorta sad the guy lost his job. He actually was quite a bit more civil than the rest of the microsoft people who actually confirmed what he said.

Well you would know all about that, wouldn't you Mr. Orth? Maybe instead you should do a speech about being out of touch with your consumer base.

He will give a speech on online toxicity... is his venue is sponsored by 4chan by any chance?
I'm guessing a KKK leader will have his lecture on racism just after that.

Oh no I think I'm forming an opinion!
Help me before I start wrecking corporations and level houses and destroying markets!
*insert godzilla noises*

That was a pretty sad day all around.
Microsoft: You can get a triple AAA title for potentially $6.00! (if you have 10 friends)
Gamers: No! We want to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: You understand that $6.00 is LESS than $60.00?
Gamers: Understanding requires effort! We WANT to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: Oh for fucks sake, fine.

Nimzabaat:
That was a pretty sad day all around.
Microsoft: You can get a triple AAA title for potentially $6.00! (if you have 10 friends)
Gamers: No! We want to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: You understand that $6.00 is LESS than $60.00?
Gamers: Understanding requires effort! We WANT to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: Oh for fucks sake, fine.

Wait, are my friends paying $6.00 too?

Also, there seems to be a nasty rumor that the xbox family sharing thing was actually a glorified demo service and not the actual full game (well, it is the full game, but on a strict time limit.)[still needs confirmation]

I would very much like more information on this payment service you are talking about.

While we shouldn't have hounded him as we did, at least not to the point of resignation, he also ought to know better than to make comments containing such ridiculously stupendous idiocy.

SkarKrow:
Destructive power of opinion and online community?

You mean potential customer feedback? I would've though that that would be really helpful for anyone trying to sell people a product. Millions of people telling you exactly what you want out of your product...

I was confused by this, because I'm not sure what angle he's taking, but it sounds like Herman Cain running a seminar on sexual harassment with the thesis being "bitches want the D."

I mean, maybe he's learned from his mistake? Please? Pretty please?

MiskWisk:
Online toxicity is no worse than real life toxicity.

The thing is, a lot of times people seem surprised that things on the internet catch them flak. So while it's the same, people tend to do dumber things and then get caught. Look at guys who steal things and then show it off on Facebook/Twitter/whatever. We've even had rapists brag on Facebook, evidently.

I personally think this is an extension of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. We tend to treat the internet as steeped in anonimity, which is partially true. When you're talking shit as "xXxeliteXsniperXswagXbroxXx" you're pretty anonymous (though never completely). When you're posting as Adam Orth, guy in important position at Microsoft, not only is the idea of anonymity ridiculous, but people are going to watch you like a hawk.

I don't think people are prepared for it.

Seracen:

Since when are my 1st Amendment Rights a "destructive power" that hearkens the demise of civilization? That's not to say everything ever said is sacred, but the right to say it is.

Rights can still have destructive capability. Case in point, we totally destroyed Adam Orth's career. I maintain that's not necessarily a bad thing, though. :p

Neverhoodian:

Is it too much to hope that someone shouts this in the middle of the speech?

If nobody shouted "Xbox off" at Microsoft's big tent event or E3? It's too much to hope for.

Sounds like Adam may be suffering a case of butt-hurt. He may want to deal with it before becomes a serious health issue.

Robetid:
First I was classified as a pirate, and now I'm part of an angry mob reigning destruction everywhere i go accross the internet? I wish my online lifestyle was actually as fun and exciting as it sounds.

Me too. Between wrecking ships at sea and stealing their sweet gold and running down people mercilessly, online me sounds AWESOME!

(And no, I don't pirate, before I get warned about this. It's the accusation, not the action).

Smilomaniac:
He's pulling a Sarkeesian

Only if you heavily edit her actions until they no longer actually represent what she's actually done.

Or, as the anti-Anita crowd seems to call it, "reasonable criticsm." So have at it, I guess.

Well he is an expert is sounding like an asshole so .. if you want to learn that you can buy a ticket and learn it from him.

I.. what good can you say about this.

Nimzabaat:
That was a pretty sad day all around.
Microsoft: You can get a triple AAA title for potentially $6.00! (if you have 10 friends)
Gamers: No! We want to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: You understand that $6.00 is LESS than $60.00?
Gamers: Understanding requires effort! We WANT to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: Oh for fucks sake, fine.

Eeehm, you do reasile that is not how it would work right?

Please tell me you are being sarcastic here.

Now OT;
Not online does the title of his speech scream ignorance, he should just deal with it

Yes i went that far.

Also joining in on the comments of some of my fellow escapees, who lives in LA and wants to shout DEAL WITH IT through the room?

Zachary Amaranth:
Rights can still have destructive capability. Case in point, we totally destroyed Adam Orth's career. I maintain that's not necessarily a bad thing, though. :p

Adam Orth destoryed Adam Orth's career. No amount of "toxicity" from gamers would have cost Orth his job- it was him deciding to sling mud at gamers that cost him his job.

Hopefully GDC also has a talk on "How not to lose your job because you damaged your employer's image on social media," he can check out after he finishes telling us how awful we were in our reaction to his statements.

KOMega:

Nimzabaat:
That was a pretty sad day all around.
Microsoft: You can get a triple AAA title for potentially $6.00! (if you have 10 friends)
Gamers: No! We want to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: You understand that $6.00 is LESS than $60.00?
Gamers: Understanding requires effort! We WANT to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: Oh for fucks sake, fine.

Wait, are my friends paying $6.00 too?

Also, there seems to be a nasty rumor that the xbox family sharing thing was actually a glorified demo service and not the actual full game (well, it is the full game, but on a strict time limit.)[still needs confirmation]

I would very much like more information on this payment service you are talking about.

I saw that demo thing too, but there's no good sourcing on it, just a supposed developer blog. No reason they can't now divulge the details, as it isn't happening anymore.
It looked dumb though, like far worse than sony's hour of play on any downloadable title to check it out.

I...want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

He got burned pretty bad, being insensitive to his customers and making what should have been a private joke to a friend, public--a joke that made him look like a gigantic asshole.

And it's possible; he's an asshole. However, maybe he's learned something from the experience and this is his opportunity to share with people what he learned about himself, about speaking to an audience, about what happens when that audience turns on you.

He fucked up. I would hope that this doesn't crucify him for life.

Zachary Amaranth:
If nobody shouted "Xbox off" at Microsoft's big tent event or E3? It's too much to hope for.

Wouldn't work. They were using promo vids and dev kits at E3. You know, the stuff running off of Windows 7 and doesn't have kinect hooked up.

That's actually a really good topic for discussion. There is certainly a destructive element and mob rule online, it can get serious with people doing things they would never think permissible in "real life". But I don't know if the person giving the talk is really in the best position to do so, well I guess he does have first hand experience and its not like its a certainty this will be him giving a huge serving of irony.

Still it's a bit like that now edited PAX aus session, it's a little suspicious.

I'll be extremely disappointed if people go to his talk just to shout "deal with it" or the like.

Because you'll only be helping him make his point.

Better to let him do the talk without any help from us, and let him skewer himself on his own spoken stupidity. Dissect his speech online after the convention, certainly, and make sure people know why it was stupid. But don't give him fuel in the middle of his speech. We don't need to give an idiot like this more of a stage to stand on. He needs to be able to say his piece, be called out as the idiot he is, and then fade into irrelevancy.

KOMega:

Nimzabaat:
That was a pretty sad day all around.
Microsoft: You can get a triple AAA title for potentially $6.00! (if you have 10 friends)
Gamers: No! We want to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: You understand that $6.00 is LESS than $60.00?
Gamers: Understanding requires effort! We WANT to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: Oh for fucks sake, fine.

Wait, are my friends paying $6.00 too?

Also, there seems to be a nasty rumor that the xbox family sharing thing was actually a glorified demo service and not the actual full game (well, it is the full game, but on a strict time limit.)[still needs confirmation]

I would very much like more information on this payment service you are talking about.

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So in layman's terms. You pay $60 for Forza, your friend in Montreal can play it whenever you're not playing it. Your friend in Montreal buys Halo 5?. you can play it whenever he isn't. You each saved 60 dollars by not having to buy those games yourself. But how about you have another friend in, I dunno, Delaware? Berlin? Who buys Titanfall. You and your buddy in Montreal can play it if no one else is. You've saved 120 dollars while being able to play 3 different games. Now imagine there's 10 games you like and you have 10 friends... THAT is something neither WiiU nor PS4 had that gross stupidity has now cost us.

So in short he will use GDC to stand on a soapbox and bitch and moan how public opinion had cost him his job... and most likely totaly ignoring how much of an asshole he had made out of himselfe before taking a dump on the people that where the reason he had said job to begin with?

Sounds legit.

Zachary Amaranth:

SkarKrow:
Destructive power of opinion and online community?

You mean potential customer feedback? I would've though that that would be really helpful for anyone trying to sell people a product. Millions of people telling you exactly what you want out of your product...

I was confused by this, because I'm not sure what angle he's taking, but it sounds like Herman Cain running a seminar on sexual harassment with the thesis being "bitches want the D."

I mean, maybe he's learned from his mistake? Please? Pretty please?

Ineed I hope so, and I meant to say what they want, hence the striked out you...

Hopefully so because mass customer feedback is hardly a bad thing, it's only bad if you do things the customer doesn't want.

Shamanic Rhythm:
Oh dear. We'd better call the waahmbulance.

Its on its way
WiiU WiiU WiiU WiiU WiiU WiiU WiiU WiiU

OT
but seriously does this guy not understand that we are by no means ready for fully online and all that DRM, and what benefit does it give me the consumer when thats what this industry should be trying to please, the consumers not the publishers

Nimzabaat:

But how about you have another friend in, I dunno, Delaware? Berlin?

Wait, didn't the old setup have region locking?

and I don't think I can convince 10 other people to chip in for a game. But that's just a problem on my side.
Other people might be able to do that.

Anyways, is this infographic officially from microsoft?
I'm still waiting on confirmation on the rumor as well.
We need more clarification.
Because this is starting to become a very black and white scenario, whether this feature was good or not to begin with.

Once some official clarification has been given, then I can properly say, yay or nay.

CriticKitten:
I'll be extremely disappointed if people go to his talk just to shout "deal with it" or the like.

Because you'll only be helping him make his point.

Better to let him do the talk without any help from us, and let him skewer himself on his own spoken stupidity. Dissect his speech online after the convention, certainly, and make sure people know why it was stupid. But don't give him fuel in the middle of his speech. We don't need to give an idiot like this more of a stage to stand on. He needs to be able to say his piece, be called out as the idiot he is, and then fade into irrelevancy.

The way all the microsoft representatives have been speaking to customers so far.
I don't have much hope that they won't accidentally start another fire.
But people still need to give him and whatever other reps a chance. They need all their chances right now.
And if they do start a fire under themselves, well, it's not our fault.

I'm gonna tackle this in stages here...

Nimzabaat:

So in layman's terms. You pay $60 for Forza, your friend in Montreal can play it whenever you're not playing it. Your friend in Montreal buys Halo 5?. you can play it whenever he isn't. You each saved 60 dollars by not having to buy those games yourself. But how about you have another friend in, I dunno, Delaware? Berlin? Who buys Titanfall. You and your buddy in Montreal can play it if no one else is. You've saved 120 dollars while being able to play 3 different games. Now imagine there's 10 games you like and you have 10 friends... THAT is something neither WiiU nor PS4 had that gross stupidity has now cost us.

This whole thing? This is exactly why Microsoft would never implement the Family Sharing as you think it would've been implemented. Because they would've lost potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars by people just playing entire games off of their friends' libraries. You really think a massive publisher and console manufacturer was going to implement a system whereby their entire playerbase could essentially play almost every game off of one copy? Obviously that's the extreme, but think of it. One person + ten friends. Each of those ten friends has another ten friends. On and on, until eventually we've got upwards of hundreds of people who have been playing Halo 5 off of something like five copies sold. No, they wouldn't do that.

As for "why the fuck" Microsoft weren't yelling about the sharing plan like that image asks? Probably because it wasn't what the entire internet collectively decided to believe it would be. Because it probably was the rumored "full game but only for up to an hour of play and then you're booted out to the Marketplace to be prompted to buy it yourself". Allowing countless numbers of people to play games without ever paying for them would have hurt Microsoft just as much as the used games they would've supposedly been fighting.

Now, the reason why I've quoted two posts.

Nimzabaat:
That was a pretty sad day all around.
Microsoft: You can get a triple AAA title for potentially $6.00! (if you have 10 friends)
Gamers: No! We want to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: You understand that $6.00 is LESS than $60.00?
Gamers: Understanding requires effort! We WANT to pay $60.00!
Microsoft: Oh for fucks sake, fine.

This? Is not the same math as what you've outlined above.

"I get to share games with ten other people, therefor I'm paying less!" is not how it works. If I pay $60 for a game, I'm still paying $60 for a game, no matter how many other people get to play the same copy. It doesn't matter if I also got to play Madden 25 for free because one of my friends had it, I still paid $60 for Halo 5.

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