World's First 3D Printer Rifle Goes Bang, Barrel Breaks

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World's First 3D Printer Rifle Goes Bang, Barrel Breaks

Is this legal in Canada? The RCMP isn't convinced.

Say hello to the smoothbore .22 single-shot Grizzly, named after the Canadian built Shermans of World War II. It's the world's first 3D printed rifle; the only metal part in it is a 1 inch roofing nail firing pin. Its maker, CanadianGunNut, has tested it, and while the results weren't all he could have hoped for - after a dozen tries it finally went off, but split the barrel all along its length - the bullet did exit the barrel. Thus a world's first is achieved, and once CanadianGunNut has perfected his build, he intends to release the printer files and let people make their own.

"In Canada, it is illegal to manufacture or possess a firearm without appropriate licences and applicable registrations," says RCMP spokesperson Sgt. Julie Gagnon. "The Firearms Act stipulates that individuals in possession of firearms must have a Possession Only Licence or Possession and Acquisition Licence. The RCMP does not confirm or deny who might be or not be the subject of an investigation." But CanadianGunNut is pretty sure he's in the clear. He has a valid Possession & Acquisition Licence, which allows him to build, but not sell, firearms. He's even gone so far as to put in a permanent stock, thus conforming with non-restricted status; restricted firearms would need registration, but his does not.

"Took me three days to build," says CanadianGunNut. Even if this first test was a failure, it's not going to set him back. He says he wants to challenge himself. Before too much longer, no doubt we'll find out whether his efforts bear fruit, with the world's first working 3D printable rifle.

Source: Ars Technica

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I wouldn't mind something like this existing as long as it's only printed and used by people with the appropriate licenses and registrations.

But we all know this printer data will be all over bittorrent as soon as it's released.

The ability to cheaply and quickly produce untraceable disposable firearms using an item for which there are thousands of legitimate uses.

Yeah, this is exactly what humanity needs.

When the files for that 3D printed handgun were released (or going to be released, or whatever it was) the media over in Blighty had kittens. I can only imagine the panic over this when it becomes known that not only can any Tom, Dick or Harry print themselves a gun, but that they'll likely injure themselves when the try to fire it and the barrel blows up on them.

So the RMC wants to Bust a Nut for Banging?
kinky

I expect there will be an episode of CSI where the killer used a printed gun, if there hasn't already.

I'm also not entirely sure why this would be a good thing given human nature and the abilities of the interwebs.

I foresee a whole lot of very angry people with poor judgment blowing their hands off with the poor-quality guns they printed off in a fit of pique.

--Morology!

AntiChri5:
The ability to cheaply and quickly produce untraceable disposable firearms using an item for which there are thousands of legitimate uses.

Yeah, this is exactly what humanity needs.

I don't think we're at the point that we need to worry too much yet. We're talking about making a small caliber rifle that's basically one shot, and being smooth bore, may not be that accurate. For the people who need an untraceable gun to do some shady work, buying on the black market is always going to get you better quality, power, and reliability than this.

But the age where people can print off guns that aren't plastic pieces of crap is fast approaching, and like it or not, there's absolutely nothing we can do to stop it.

Where ever there is progress, there can also be misuse and abuse.

I almost expect that the NRA would offer the plans for various guns along with lifetime memberships to their organization just to make sure that every American had a gun.

This is going to end well.

Considering that you still need ammo, the simple solution to this (assuming that a printable gun is feasible) is to require licences for ammo and gunpowder/primer.

Now if this works, does that mean they could eventually make uzis or whatever later? Is this going to be another technology being invented before anyone realizes all the negatives that go along with it. Could we be witness to the start of a future of illigal guns sweeping the world? After all, if this does work, all you need is a printer and money to make what you need. Sure a few criminals would enjoy this, all the fun of getting guns without the danger of importing them.

Phrozenflame500:
I wouldn't mind something like this existing as long as it's only printed and used by people with the appropriate licenses and registrations.

There's no way to enforce that though, plus printers and the internet are global, even within one country you could never enforce it properly.

The printer is just a kind of machine tool, can't ban them anymore than you can ban lathes and machine presses, so wherever there's one there's the potential to make a gun.

Clearly the world needs more guns that are easier to access. Goddamn, this type of thing pissed me off. Arrest this bastard, he's a psycho.

I was unaware that 3D printer resin has the tensile strength necessary to contain the 20-30kpsi pressures of a contained cordite explosion.

Then again, every dumbass I've heard of that's tried to print a gun has had them blow up in their face. So, yeah...

Tensile strength.

Addendum: Just did some research.

3D printer resin is reported to have a tensile strength similar to ABS plastic, which is rated at 40 MPa UTS.

Steel has an ultimate tensile strength in excess of 400 MPa depending on the grade and application.

So, really, unless your printed barrel is 10 times thicker than a steel barrel you can fuck right off and keep your worthless/dangerous design files to your self.

DVS BSTrD:
So the RMC wants to Bust a Nut for Banging?
kinky

Like I said: at worst these comments make me facepalm, but in a good way (i.e. with a smile under my hand). :P

OT: Well...yeah...that was unimpressive. Granted a .22 is basically a high-powered bb gun (exaggeration people, it does exist), but I still expected a bit more than a guy firing an over-grown cap-gun. At least show us the damaged barrel or something. >.>

the other first in this category include:
first printable shotgun
first printable automatic firing arm
first accidental death with a printed gun
first suicide with a printed gun
first kill with a printed weapon

I hope this list is never completed.

CriticalMiss:
I expect there will be an episode of CSI where the killer used a printed gun, if there hasn't already.

I'm also not entirely sure why this would be a good thing given human nature and the abilities of the interwebs.

I'm not sure about printed gun but in the film "in the line of fire" the guy makes a 2 shot "Composite Pistol".

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On topic. I imagine this being a "a few bad apples" scenario, drug lords buy these printers and gangs are now producing throw away weapons that can't be traced ...

Already enough guns killing people, don't need any more.

SonOfVoorhees:
Now if this works, does that mean they could eventually make uzis or whatever later? Is this going to be another technology being invented before anyone realizes all the negatives that go along with it. Could we be witness to the start of a future of illigal guns sweeping the world? After all, if this does work, all you need is a printer and money to make what you need. Sure a few criminals would enjoy this, all the fun of getting guns without the danger of importing them.

Well, yes, but the danger of having an illegal weapon isn't just importing it, it's having it sit there waiting for police to find it.

The Sten gun, for example, was designed so that it could be built in garages all around the UK. After the war people generally stopped building Sten guns, because they are more than a little incriminating. Northern Ireland is an exception to this, mind.

OTOH, if you want to murder someone, might be very convenient to go to your printer, make a gun, use it just once and get rid of it.

Eventually the technology will improve to the point where people could feed in high-end composite materials- like ceramic, metal, and high strength plastics- and be able to just print a Glock right in their living room.

Gun control would become impossible, but I can see some benefit to it; I've long been an advocate for personal responsibility, and living in a world where we can stop blaming guns and start blaming the people who use them for evil is a better one in my mind.

thaluikhain:

SonOfVoorhees:
Now if this works, does that mean they could eventually make uzis or whatever later? Is this going to be another technology being invented before anyone realizes all the negatives that go along with it. Could we be witness to the start of a future of illigal guns sweeping the world? After all, if this does work, all you need is a printer and money to make what you need. Sure a few criminals would enjoy this, all the fun of getting guns without the danger of importing them.

Well, yes, but the danger of having an illegal weapon isn't just importing it, it's having it sit there waiting for police to find it.

The Sten gun, for example, was designed so that it could be built in garages all around the UK. After the war people generally stopped building Sten guns, because they are more than a little incriminating. Northern Ireland is an exception to this, mind.

OTOH, if you want to murder someone, might be very convenient to go to your printer, make a gun, use it just once and get rid of it.

It seems like it would be easier to find a murderer who used one of these guns. There are probably only a handful of 3-d prints in a given area, so once ballistics found polymer on the bullet, you've effectively narrowed your suspects considerably. For the forseeable future the materials and equipment required to make guns like this are going to put you on more watch lists than buying a handgun over Craigslist.

Wasn't this a thing a while back where someone printed and shot a handgun several times before?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

nuba km:
the other first in this category include:
first printable shotgun
first printable automatic firing arm
first accidental death with a printed gun
first suicide with a printed gun
first kill with a printed weapon

I hope this list is never completed.

I hope it is, because this would mean that everyone could print a lot more robust industrialized objects and there are many different uses for 3D printing:




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http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/2013/02/19/esa-explores-3d-printing-concept-construct-moon-base/
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http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-05/2/3d-printed-ear-cyborgs
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/24/3d-printed-liver

I'm not one to hope that kitchen knives should never have been invented, because people could hurt themselves with them or even worse hurt someone else and we should rather use spoons to cut stuff instead.

I said this months ago, a lot of people said this - a 3D printed firearm won't work, the materials aren't strong enough yet. Is going to take someone loosing an eye, or finger, or their life before people drop the idea.

Hell, what's the fascination with printing a gun anyway - it's counter-productive to any pro-gun control argument, so why are they doing it!
Here's a thought - if your stupid enough to print out a plastic gun and put a real bullet in it, and try to fire it - well your too bloody stupid to own anything like a real gun - let alone mess with the mechanics and physics involved in making a safe firearm. Barrels and mechanisms are made from strengthened lumps of steel to incredibly strict tolerances for a good reason.

AntiChri5:
The ability to cheaply and quickly produce untraceable disposable firearms using an item for which there are thousands of legitimate uses.

Yeah, this is exactly what humanity needs.

Firearms that will likely explode the first or second time you use them.

I'm not terribly worried. Well, not for me, because I don't plan on firing one. I feel for the guy trying to fire one.

Chinchama:

Shanahanapp:
Clearly the world needs more guns that are easier to access. Goddamn, this type of thing pissed me off. Arrest this bastard, he's a psycho.

He is a psycho...says the unassuming furry....

Well in my opinion anyone who thinks it's a good idea to give free guns to anyone is a bit of a psycho, yeah. In my opinion an ideal world would have no guns.

Vivi22:

AntiChri5:
The ability to cheaply and quickly produce untraceable disposable firearms using an item for which there are thousands of legitimate uses.

Yeah, this is exactly what humanity needs.

I don't think we're at the point that we need to worry too much yet. We're talking about making a small caliber rifle that's basically one shot, and being smooth bore, may not be that accurate. For the people who need an untraceable gun to do some shady work, buying on the black market is always going to get you better quality, power, and reliability than this.

But the age where people can print off guns that aren't plastic pieces of crap is fast approaching, and like it or not, there's absolutely nothing we can do to stop it.

Yeah, at this point it's a clunky piece of shit. Incredibly impractical and stupid compared to just getting a gun. But compare the first computers to the average smartphone today...... Eventually these will work well, be much smaller and probably get past metal detectors.

It being single shot is no real comfort though. Sometimes that's all it takes.

Shanahanapp:

Chinchama:

Shanahanapp:
Clearly the world needs more guns that are easier to access. Goddamn, this type of thing pissed me off. Arrest this bastard, he's a psycho.

He is a psycho...says the unassuming furry....

Well in my opinion anyone who thinks it's a good idea to give free guns to anyone is a bit of a psycho, yeah. In my opinion an ideal world would have no guns.

I think guns are one of the greatest signs of equality. If there was a world with no guns, the meek would be preyed upon by those physically strong. Having a gun is a great equalizer. It can make an 8 year girl just as dangerous as a 28 yr old 140 MMA fighter.

People need to have a sense of personal responsibility of what is right and what is wrong. Guns are not the problem, it is the mental state of the general population that is the problem.

.... Seriously?

People, I live in Australia, and right now I have a functioning musket sitting in my garage that I built from paper, cardboard, a shit ton of glue and some Peizo Ignitors with a friend. It just uses Armstrong Mixture for gunpower with a spark that sets off some rubbing alcohol, and there you go, a gun.

Now, if I were to take this and go shoot someone, not only would it be unlikely to even bruise them, but it would probably miss, mis-fire or just go balls-up. It's the kind of thing that you build just for the sake of having a kick-ass musket you can shoot a log with.

It's the same with these printers. Do you honestly think that someone can kill someone with that gun? Look at it, it took many tries to finally fire, and then the barrel broke. If you actually wanted to murder someone, it would be easier to just print out a fucking sharp plastic knife!

And please, dear lawd in dem heavens or whatever, stop saying "Soon" or "In the future". In just about every thread I see now, someone goes "There's nothing wrong with it... but in the future!" It is completely irrelevant. When they invented bombs, they were not worrying about atomic bombs. Yes, progress brings with it many things, but at the moment we have not progressed to the point where we can do all the things people are worring about. And besides, every time someone says "You can just print a real machine-gun!" think about how other tech has caught up. By the time we can do that, why the hell wouldn't we have full on laser guns? Or invulnerable mech-suits? etc. etc.

Just take this for what it is, some guy printing a barrel and a trigger and throwing some gunpowder in there to watch it go boom.

Chinchama:

Shanahanapp:

Chinchama:

He is a psycho...says the unassuming furry....

Well in my opinion anyone who thinks it's a good idea to give free guns to anyone is a bit of a psycho, yeah. In my opinion an ideal world would have no guns.

I think guns are one of the greatest signs of equality. If there was a world with no guns, the meek would be preyed upon by those physically strong. Having a gun is a great equalizer. It can make an 8 year girl just as dangerous as a 28 yr old 140 MMA fighter.

People need to have a sense of personal responsibility of what is right and what is wrong. Guns are not the problem, it is the mental state of the general population that is the problem.

But someone who is of the mental state to shoot someone can't if they don't have access to a free gun off the internet.

Honestly the gun in the video doesn't worry me to much but the natural evolution of this is printed Uzis and printed assault rifles. I can see the argument for equalizing when it's a small handgun or whatever but I doubt "CanadianGunNut" is just going to stop at that.

AntiChri5:

It being single shot is no real comfort though. Sometimes that's all it takes.

In my experience, the sort of person that would use a disposable handgun isn't the sort of person that spends any time down at the firing range. For example, the guy across the street from me once unloaded an entire clip at a neighbor and didn't hit anything.

So, really, for that one, disposable shot to count, it would likely have to be a lucky hit. Especially since most of these printable guns are smooth-bore with very short barrels (longer barrels actually burst easier).

It's more likely to be hit by a car while walking down the street. And actually, now that I think about it, bad drivers were responsible for more injuries in my old neighborhood than handguns. And there were three gun-related crimes there in the first six months of this year.

For the people speculating on 3D printers capable of using ceramics, metals, etc: The think you're thinking of is a CNC milling machine. And there are already "personal" models:

http://www.tormach.com/product_pcnc_1100.html

CNC schematics for handguns would be a lot more believable than someone trying to cobble a working weapon out of powdered plastic.

This reminds me of the way you get weapons in Mass Effect 2, where you buy the schematics and the ship makes them for you. However, in Mass Effect, I assume the guns are made from metal, and don't break after one shot.

And to everyone thinking that this will give anyone the ability to make themselves a gun, they still have to buy the ammunition. I assume they need a permit for that, too.

Shanahanapp:

Chinchama:

Shanahanapp:
Clearly the world needs more guns that are easier to access. Goddamn, this type of thing pissed me off. Arrest this bastard, he's a psycho.

He is a psycho...says the unassuming furry....

Well in my opinion anyone who thinks it's a good idea to give free guns to anyone is a bit of a psycho, yeah. In my opinion an ideal world would have no guns.

I think guns are one of the greatest signs of equality. If there was a world with no guns, the meek would be preyed upon by those physically strong. Having a gun is a great equalizer. It can make an 8 year girl just as dangerous as a 28 yr old 140 MMA fighter.

People need to have a sense of personal responsibility of what is right and what is wrong. Guns are not the problem, it is the mental state of the general population that is the problem.

I don't understand why people are freaking about a plastic gun...its just the thought or the look is scary I guess. Its not like people aren't already building their own guns at home from left over scraps. For example..
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thaluikhain:

SonOfVoorhees:
Now if this works, does that mean they could eventually make uzis or whatever later? Is this going to be another technology being invented before anyone realizes all the negatives that go along with it. Could we be witness to the start of a future of illigal guns sweeping the world? After all, if this does work, all you need is a printer and money to make what you need. Sure a few criminals would enjoy this, all the fun of getting guns without the danger of importing them.

Well, yes, but the danger of having an illegal weapon isn't just importing it, it's having it sit there waiting for police to find it.

The Sten gun, for example, was designed so that it could be built in garages all around the UK. After the war people generally stopped building Sten guns, because they are more than a little incriminating. Northern Ireland is an exception to this, mind.

OTOH, if you want to murder someone, might be very convenient to go to your printer, make a gun, use it just once and get rid of it.

I dont admit to knowing much about the printer.....but i know the tech will get a lot better. Also, you would have a gun that you can melt, well it would be easier to destroy than a metal gun. Plus what about metal detectors at airports? Can this gun be smuggled through? Could this be a terrorist wet dream? An if you make your own gun, there will be no registration number or way to trace it to anyone? I dont know. I just hope the people in charge are looking at this new tech to protect us from it being used negatively. Thing is its an amazing machine, alot of stuff can be done with it to help mankind. Im think fake organs for people having transplant surgery or can it make faces like in Darkman or Mission Impossible so people who are disfigured can have this fixed?

One thing i would use it for is to make some Dynasty Warrior figures. A Lu Bu statue would be awesome. :-)

Chinchama:

I don't understand why people are freaking about a plastic gun...its just the thought or the look is scary I guess. Its not like people aren't already building their own guns at home from left over scraps. For example..
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Yes but it's a lot easier to print a plastic gun off the internet.

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