Update: Fez Dev Tells Media Member To Kill Himself

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But that's just a quote from Bender in Futurama, he wasn't actually telling the bloke to go kill himself.

Well considering Fish at best can be described as 'outspoken' and at worst 'a massive dick whose arsehole dribbles out a vile mixture of slurry that he considers his opinion' I'm not surprised someone else tore into him.

You reap what you sow Fish.

But his cancellation hissy fit was a new one even for him, I already considered him a prick but this just makes him look like a childish prick.

Good Riddance.

As someone with experience with mental health disorders, i can completely understand Fish's response. That doesn't make it right, but its understandable. With mental health, namely depression, if you feel theirs so much muck and fog around you that you get trapped in a corner with only negativity around you, you'll do anything in that mental state to get out of the corner, including lashing out. Hence why i understand Phils response. Furthermore, as indicated by previous posts, it doesn't seem the Escapist has presented both sides of the argument, just the line that ended it. If Beer had indeed been throwing the alleged 3 minutes of insults, interrupting his co-stars to add further offense to Phil, etc... how can Phil not take that so to heart and lash out in such a way? Given that Beer sounds like he had it out for him.

As someone also mentioned above, we seem to shun the mentally unstable, but the mentally unstable are responsible for a lot of our artistic progression over the years. Its only natural to see such people appear in our medium and i for one support them. However, as a general point, i think more should be being done to raise mental health awareness. It is a clinical illness, just like cancer is. You don't tell someone with cancer to get over it, grow up or stop thinking about it, which are some of the most common slag thrown at people with depression or anxiety disorders.

It sounds like both parties were in the wrong, i'd like to see another update to this article with a more full rounded story. Some people are claiming their was more to Beers comments than the Blowfish remark? I would like to see these added for balance?

At the end of the day, telling someone to kill themselves is a horrible, unthinkable thing that should never be said because you know nothing of the other persons life, state or well being. they might actually do it for reasons you know nothing about! But for our entertainment to say it (Bender, Futurama), its only natural we will come to include it in our day to day conversation (See peoples references to the CoD community). Fish was in the wrong, but so was Beer. Both parties need to calm down and talk it out. I feel the cancellation of Fez II is an overreaction and the Radio Silence we've gotten from Beer is just unprofessional and only fueling the fire.

They were make a sequel to Fez? That game was a pile of pretentious faffing about. Plus it dragged on my to long.

Also everything I have seen about this Blowfish guy shows him in a bad light.

Now who will make our retro 2D platformers?

Ahhhhhh Twitter, Devour of Souls and Destroyer of Careers. Seriously, I wonder what the tally is up to for people that have thrown away their careers because of stupid remarks made on Twitter. Not just celebrities and game developers and such either. The exact same crap happens to every-day random people all the time as well. That's one of the reason I avoid it (and Facebook, for that matter) like the plague...it just seems absolutely idiotic to me.

More to the point of this guy's story: if you're going to be in any industry that invites criticism on every project that you do, you've GOT to be more thick-skinned than this. I don't care if you've been having hundreds of people on the internet shouting "YOU SUCK!" in various ways every day for the past couple years. You're getting a paycheck, right? Who cares what Random Internet Jackass has to say? Even if said jackass has a website and does some show...that doesn't change the fact that they're still just Random Internet Jackass #8573849037.

But I guess on the other hand it's as the saying goes: if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck off the internet...or out of the kitchen...or something like that, I forget how it goes. :3

"To be clear, I'm not cancelling Fez II because some boorish fuck said something stupid, I'm doing it to get out of games. And I'm getting out of games because I choose not to put up with this abuse anymore."

So basically what he's saying is that he hasn't quit the industry because some "boorish fuck" swore at him a little, but he's quitting the industry because someone swore at him a little.

I've bought a copy of Fez right now. I hope that'll support Mr. Fish a little now that the media have made a new Hitler out of him.

"To be clear, I'm not cancelling Fez II because some boorish fuck said something stupid, I'm doing it to get out of games. And I'm getting out of games because I choose not to put up with this abuse anymore."

The irony that he mentions 'some boorish fuck [who] said something stupid'. That describes himself perfectly.

He's getting out of games because of this? Good, screw him. He deserves everything he gets.

I had always heard about this incident, but it's only recently that I actually saw it:

Had I actually seen this, I wouldn't have bought fez and supported him. I don't care that he doesn't like japanese games, that's fine. But you do not act this fucking rude to someone in front of a crowd, and you sure as HELL don't do it to someone who can barley understand and speak your language... especially someone who just complimented you. He's the definition of human shit.

The whole "I'm too kool for school because I'm a massive dick" persona thing isn't cute when you use it against foreigners who don't understand the joke.

Why do people keep saying he's childish for calling out people who keep insulting him?

If you think kids are the ones that go off on other people the most, use the worst words and so on, then clearly you don't know a lot of adults :)

Whichever side of this you find yourself on it doesn't excuse the original article writer clearly taking sides.
Whatever happened to journalistic integrity Escapist? Or an update that mentions it was a Futurama quote?

Fez wasn't even that good to begin with.

Yeah, the beginning was kinda neat, and the mechanic was something "new", though I would argue it was more or less Time Fcuk in a different coat of paint, at least that's what it felt like. But other then that, it was nothing too special, and it lost steam halfway through.

Good riddance, Phil Fish. I won't miss you.

llagrok:
Why do people keep saying he's childish for calling out people who keep insulting him?

If you think kids are the ones that go off on other people the most, use the worst words and so on, then clearly you don't know a lot of adults :)

Because, as seen in the video in the post just above yours, he's the platonic ideal of someone who can dish it out, but can't take it. He'll insult anyone he feels like, to their face, in groups, whenever, but acts like you've murdered his kids when you criticise him in any way. Basically he's a diva, he thinks he's above criticism from anyone, but any insults or criticism from him to others has the weight of holy writ.

No-one's saying you can't act like an asshole on the internet, but you can't act like an asshole and then squeal and take your ball home when people dish out the same back to you.

He's also the reason Judas in Binding of Isaac wears a fez, due to a past dust up with Edward McMillan, IIRC.

Also, it doesn't matter a damn if what he said was a Futurama quote. What matters is the fact he seems to have meant it, as per his later actions.

K.

Maybe Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow should team up to make butthurt the game

"To be clear, I'm not cancelling Fez II because some boorish fuck said something stupid..."
No you're a boorish fuck who said something stupid and then cancelled Fez 2. Some guy called you out about your actions and you say "OH I'M ALWAYS BEING ABUSED." Seriously I hadn't even heard of this guy before this article but anyone who publicly tells someone to kill themselves over some criticism is a bit of a dick.

Garfy:
Whichever side of this you find yourself on it doesn't excuse the original article writer clearly taking sides.
Whatever happened to journalistic integrity Escapist? Or an update that mentions it was a Futurama quote?

I think you're on the wrong site if you expect journalistic integrity. Quite a lot of the articles here are slanted, and the writer usually feels the need to express their own opinion.

OT: I really don't care either way. I haven't played Fez.

Andy of Comix Inc:

Yes, but if you kill yourself, you'll never get a chance to.

I should explain, I think preventable human life is a loss. I don't mean to imply that it removes value, though - it is instead the absence of a value, of an asset. It might not directly take something existing from the world, but it takes something that DOESN'T exist - a hole, if you will, from which no good can come. I mean if everyone is flatlining, those dips are going to be noticeable, too.

And to be honest, suicide is probably most abhorrent because the only people it effects are the people left behind. I won't care if you step in front of a bus, it's true, but the bus driver and everyone on it might. The person who discovers your hanging corpse is going to actively have a much worse day because of that suicide. No parent wants to have to plan their child's funeral. Nothing there is added because of suicide, it is only taken away - value is not removed but value is certainly pulled away, shoved to the side, almost. Your "value" in being alive is that no-one has to deal with the event of your death. At the least.

I dunno, I mean really, the simple answer to this is that you should probably just try being empathetic instead of being a nihilistic downer all the time.

Why do people jump to insults so readily? I at least try to stay civil...

I've never understood why suicide is abhorrent while normal death is seen as border-lining a neutral act. The latter leaves us saying "oh well, it was his time, nothing could be done except a healthier lifestyle/learning not to pick fights/greater caution", while the former makes those "left behind" commenting that it's a horrible and disgusting selfish act. Then again, I'm getting the feeling my views on suicide will leave you somewhat offended so let's just stick with the topic.

So to sum up your view, the tragedy isn't a loss of value but rather loss of potential value. Using your logic, we should feel especially sad about the death of the young. Which granted, does happen. What doesn't happen is a universal view of what potential may lie and if that potential matters. Excluding friends and family since they did receive something of value from the decease (even children give social and mental value), complete strangers rarely have empathy beyond courtesy. I'm currently 22. This puts me in an interesting position where the majority would probably assume that any huge potential of doing something truly great is pretty much out the window since I haven't shown signs of getting anywhere near there. However, I still have potential of doing something that has a distinct impact in a good few eyes. Although I guess if you really wanted to be cynical you could say that the perception that an individual had potential is a mental value in it's self since it stirs up more faith in the individual and therefore in others to do great things. If you wanted to be incredibly cynical you could argue pretty well that the 27 Club is designed to create a legacy that is undeserving since it creates perceptions of potential that likely would of never been reached.

Fractral:

Your parents? Your family? Anyone who you love? They should be worth a lot to most people, barring unfortunate circumstances, despite not being important to most people but you.
I can understand where you're coming from- heck, I feel the same way about people at school- but there is a difference between being unable to care about someone because you don't know them at all, and saying that them dying is a neutral event. I don't have to weep for someone's death to understand that it is a sad thing that they died.
But I suppose that's almost what you're saying.

It somewhat is, but I'll admit I do have a dark view on these things so it may be phrased in an alternative way. I think it doesn't help that I'll admit I've been treating death as a neutral thing in the discussion (and used rather cold language), when in reality it still has an effect on someone so it really isn't neutral for everyone. Even if it's a friend of a friend who has died, it's still not neutral because your friend is having to deal with it. Just the individual in it's self is probably not affecting you directly, only your friend's reaction, otherwise it wouldn't be a friend of a friend.

In terms of family and other loved ones, they still see some form of social, physical or mental value in me and I see value in them back. There is still a value thing going on and they've still achieved something. To most people, I doubt say talking about death in the family will garner sympathy of the deceased but rather sympathy for the person who has to deal with it.

People tend to weep for a death of someone they don't know typically out of courtesy or as memento mori. Those who are sad of someone they don't know's death for other reasons, to be blunt, tend not to be mentally stable. Then again, I may be forgetting other reasons. However, there is also a difference between weeping for someone who's died and weeping for those who have lost something of value.

"To be clear, I'm not cancelling Fez II because some boorish fuck said something stupid, I'm doing it to get out of games. And I'm getting out of games because I choose not to put up with this abuse anymore."

Oh, don't be so hard on yourself Mr. Fish. Yes, you did say something incredibly stupid, but calling yourself a boorish fuck is a little harsh.

You've taken your toys and gone home. Good for you. Perhaps you should stay there and think about what you've done for a while. Once you've grown up a little bit and can act like a mature adult, perhaps you will be allowed to come play again.

Not trying to convince anyone here that Phil isn't an abrasive human being, because he is.
But I thought I'd post this in the interest of balance.

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piinyouri:
Not trying to convince anyone here that Phil isn't an abrasive human being, because he is.
But I thought I'd post this in the interest of balance.

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Well, since viewership is important to news sites due to ad revenue they tend to try and make posts that are as eye catching as possible, which means they rarely look at a situation in a balanced light. The bee one stated earlier was probably one of the lesser cases of this entire situation, though in that case the research was basically inconclusive.

Vie:
I've barely heard of the guy and I already want to slap him about the head and tell him to grow up.

That's never a good sign.

You know... He might really have some issues mentally and needs some help and time. I have seen few people to break down and ultimately take their lives due to public stress like this...

Stress + Depression + Feeling of vulnerability = bad mix which can lead to BAD things.

you should never judge anyone like that, you don't know what going on behind the scenes, maybe the Fish broke down totally and that the reason for the game being canceled.

People like you deserve a slap...

He seems human at the very least. A bit reactive, but still human.

Karnesdorff:

He's also the reason Judas in Binding of Isaac wears a fez, due to a past dust up with Edward McMillan, IIRC.

Edmund commented on that and says it was just playful
http://www.formspring.me/EdmundM/q/484835903995409239

Developers with egos are a terrible thing. Twitter certainly doesn't help the situation.

Not gonna miss this guy. Not even a little.

Phil is probably unstable in some ways, and yeah he really crossed the line with some of his tweets, but his unprofessional behavior shouldn't cloud the fact that he has had to endure an unjustifiable amount of crap lately, for an extremely stupid reason at that.

I think there needs to be a corprate bi-law or something, that prevents employees from having Twitter accounts. Cause nothing good ever seems to come from it.

WanderingFool:
I think there needs to be a corprate bi-law or something, that prevents employees from having Twitter accounts. Cause nothing good ever seems to come from it.

Might as well annihilate Twitter outright.

Riobux:
Why do people jump to insults so readily? I at least try to stay civil...

I've never understood why suicide is abhorrent while normal death is seen as border-lining a neutral act. The latter leaves us saying "oh well, it was his time, nothing could be done except a healthier lifestyle/learning not to pick fights/greater caution", while the former makes those "left behind" commenting that it's a horrible and disgusting selfish act. Then again, I'm getting the feeling my views on suicide will leave you somewhat offended so let's just stick with the topic.

Well... I was just seeing if you considered yourself nihilistic or not. That you took insult to it, hey, that proves you're not. So, cool.

Anyway, suicide is worse because it is directly preventable, basically. Depression is really simple to spot and manage, and its a matter of awareness, really. If more people who need help seek help... there'd be less suicide.

It is a selfish act. That's the thing. It's an individual act that only harms others; the person committing suicide gains nothing, everyone around them loses out. And they could so easily find help! That's the thing - suicide is so easily stopped! That it isn't is an awful tragedy, really.

Why do people hate Jonathan Blow again?

Steven Bogos:

"To be clear, I'm not cancelling Fez II because some boorish fuck said something stupid, I'm doing it to get out of games. And I'm getting out of games because I choose not to put up with this abuse anymore."

So he IS cancelling Fez II because some boorish fuck said something stupid that turned out to be the last straw.

Raiyan 1.0:
Why do people hate Jonathan Blow again?

Because he made those stupid stars in Braid, ruining a perfectly good game.

Being serious though, he says a fair amount of stuff, some of it stupid, some of it not. I tend to think the stuff he says is more on the stupid side, and a fair number of people agree. Phil Fish is another shining example of this, though he's a LOT more toxic than Blow's ever been, and consequently gets a lot more flack for it. Telling people to "choke on my cock" when you get criticized tends to make you a big fat target.

As far as this goes: Fez was a decent game, enough to make me wish that he hadn't cancelled Fez 2, but if this is going to be his reaction to a dude being abrasive, I honestly don't know if I would even want to support it. Telling someone to kill themselves - and no, I don't buy that "it's just a Futurama quote" bullshit, it's pretty clear from the tweets surrounding it what Fish's intent was - is way over the line in terms of being an acceptable response.

Good on you, Mr. Fish. Do whatever the hell you like. Unfortunately the members of the Escapist (and the internet as a whole) believe they have some sort of moral superiority when the truth is they've all been cunts at some point in their life and many of them probably still are.

So this is the video in question. Relevant bit is in the first 2-3 minutes.

Even having never seen Invisible Walls before, I could tell: Beer is an asshole. Like Pat Condell, Simon Cowell, or The Amazing Atheist, being an asshole is his schtick.

Fish is an idiot for not being able to parse out the valid advice Beer was giving, albeit couched in vulgarity.

Oh, I guess he's gonna tell me to kill myself now.

this is why people who cant deal with PR, shouldnt have twitter accounts.

meh, cant say i give a damn about him - seems like pretentious prick to me, i tend to avoid such people....

ps said text is a quote(by Bender Bending Rodriguez), im pretty sure it was meant as a joke.

CatBus:
Good on you, Mr. Fish. Do whatever the hell you like. Unfortunately the members of the Escapist (and the internet as a whole) believe they have some sort of moral superiority when the truth is they've all been cunts at some point in their life and many of them probably still are.

The "moral superiority" stems from not being a public figure. That's about it. When a certain group of players tries to look up to industry devs, especially if they're indie and supposedly a little more "down to earth" and they see a huge gaping douchebag, it rubs everyone the wrong way. IF YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN. EHHHHH

but seriously.

Good luck finding a job dude. You're gonna need it.

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