Grand Theft Auto IV Blamed In Murder Case

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"Fox13Now"

Slow day then? At least at Destrucoid they don't stoop to reporting about "OH GOD, SOMEONE SAYS VIDEO GAMES CAUSE VIOLENCE!" every time someone utters it, as though it means something. I hope I'm not the only one who has noticed the decline in news quality on this website.

Andy Chalk:

"Although a motive for the shooting is unknown at this time investigators have learned that the juvenile suspect was playing a videogame on the Play Station III, Grand Theft Auto IV

In other words "We don't know what the motive was, so we're blaming video games."

Why was a firearm in reach of an 8 year old in the first place? Why was an 8 year old playing Grand Theft Auto IV in the first place?

ShadowGandalf01:
So the first main point is this... WHY the HELL was an EIGHT YEAR OLD playing GRAND THEFT AUTO which VERY CLEARLY has a rating of EIGHTEEN+??!! There's a reason why games like this have ratings, because they aren't meant to be played by people younger than that. Now 15-16 year olds playing it? I can vaguely understand, but 8?!

I've said it in every thread like this, both I and my brother played GTA since we were kids. My dad refused to allow me to play GTA when I was young for a while but it wasn't long before I began, I'd have been around 8, 9 or 10 when I started. I have yet to shoot either of my parents, my brother or sister and I haven't didn't go on a shooting rampage around my school. Neither did hundreds of thousands of other kids like me who played violent video games as children. No, we all had parents who didn't neglect to teach us right, wrong, and the difference between reality and entertainment media.

OT: This is more than likely a display of neglectful parenting than it is a video game or mental health issues. The kid's 8, he shouldn't be playing games like this if the parent isn't going to teach them the ins and outs of this shit and they certainly shouldn't have access to a loaded gun.

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Apologies to the deceased for laughing (as unlikely as they may be to read this), but this is almost at the point of parody now, the amount of blame that "those vidyagames" get.

But yeah, plenty of people have already said it, maybe you shouldn't be allowing the 8 year old easy access to a gun.

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I don't understand how people can be so wilfully stupid about these sorts of things. It's like they get happy about the fact they are blatantly talking out of their arse.

Slightly more OT: I'm just going to repeat "why on Earth was an eight year old allowed near a bloody handgun." That should really be the main thing.

You know you don't just get the cash, right? You have to walk over the green cash to get the cash for killing the person.

Why did I say that?

But that's beside the point. WHO THE FUCK LEAVES GUNS IN THE REACH OF CHILDREN?!

of course they're going to blame the video games. we can't have an adult conversation on the place guns have in American Society. we'd hurt the feelings of the NRA and all the Congressmen they bribe contribute to.

eight years old and playing GTA ... eight years old ... makes me glad I moved to Canada

Aaaaaalright - 8 years old - playing GTA 4. What's wrong with that picture?

How about we put the parents in jail because they're freaking idiots and should not be allowed to "guide" a child......

Honestly, in this case I am having a hard time standing up for games since we can only wonder why an 8 year old kid would commit a murder. It's hard to rule out games as a factor here.

However let's point out the facts that we're given in this case.

The kid, 8 years old, murdered his caregiver.
The kid, 8 years old, is allowed to play GTA IV, a violent game rated mature 18.
The kid, 8 years old, was allowed by his caregiver to play with a gun, obviously loaded with live ammunition.

Games might have been a factor here, we don't know. Even if they could make an 8 year old kid a good witness and he'd be able to give a good testimony we couldn't be sure.

However if we survey the situation bad parenting and upbringing is something we can't remove ourselves from when looking at the facts. The kid was allowed to play an 18+ game, maybe that's irresponsible. Ratings are meant for guidance and are currently not a matter of the law, but still, we should pay attention to them at least a little. This indicates some degree of irresponsible parenting. Then there's the big whooper. The kid is allowed to play with an actual gun while the caregiver is watching TV. Basically, unsupervised kid playing with a dangerous weapon. Possibly not sure how dangerous, maybe not aware of the fact that it's real or maybe unaware that it's loaded. He might have intentionally pointed it at her head and pulled the trigger, but was he actually intending to kill someone?

The Unworthy Gentleman:

I've said it in every thread like this, both I and my brother played GTA since we were kids. My dad refused to allow me to play GTA when I was young for a while but it wasn't long before I began, I'd have been around 8, 9 or 10 when I started. I have yet to shoot either of my parents, my brother or sister and I haven't didn't go on a shooting rampage around my school. Neither did hundreds of thousands of other kids like me who played violent video games as children. No, we all had parents who didn't neglect to teach us right, wrong, and the difference between reality and entertainment media.

Actually this is something of a fallacy right there. "I've played violent video games, I'm fine" is not really a valid defence for video games. I know a few people who have been smoking for about 60 years and they haven't got cancer. Does that mean smoking doesn't lead to cancer?

I know we don't get cancer for one reason alone, I know a lot of genes (both good and bad) are unlikely to ever show their effect except in certain environments and I don't think we become violent for one reason alone. There's got to be thousands of kids being neglected every year. They don't all turn into murderers, I'm sure some of them even turn out to be decent normal people. Does that mean neglect should never be suspected of leading to irregular behaviour?

Gaming might be a factor, but how much influence does it have? Is gaming the trigger, an additive factor or a synergistic factor in the path to becoming a violent person? We don't know, but some people believe it's a major reason or even the only reason. This is almost as ignorant as believing it isn't involved at all. We are the product of our upbringing and our experiences. We can't rule out gaming as a factor, but we can rule it out as the reason.

Now let me conclude by saying I don't think gaming leads to violence, nor that it's a huge or influential factor in the process. All I am saying is that we shouldn't rule out anything.

An eight year old. With a gun. She was killed because Dawinism demanded it.

What in the flying fuck America, everybody says Australia was backward for our ratings system for so many years, yet it's a common fear to buy a next gen console on release because of fears of getting shot.

And there's internet memes about Australia being a death trap, ironically Americas as safe as a jumping castle... made of knives.

Sorry if this sounds a bit much, but it's literally that crazy.

I'm just going to make a short list, apropos of nothing, that 8-year olds shouldn't be doing unsupervised, if at all.

1. Playing M-rated videogames.
2. HANDLING MOTHERFUCKING LOADED GUNS. OBVIOUSLY.

I mean, I like to think that even gamers can admit that the game probably DID play some role in the kid's motivation. It's rated M for a reason. Though obviously the GUN was the bigger problem. Yeah, I like that: "He was playing a VIDEOGAME only FIVE MINUTES before the murder!" Yeah, he was also handling a loaded gun DURING IT. YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS.

Ace O'Hagen:
of course they're going to blame the video games. we can't have an adult conversation on the place guns have in American Society. we'd hurt the feelings of the NRA and all the Congressmen they bribe contribute to.

eight years old and playing GTA ... eight years old ... makes me glad I moved to Canada

What does any of this have to do with living in Canada? I'm Canadian and have been playing M rated games since I was 8 (they weren't called M rated at the time mind you). Don't you mean "eight years old and playing WITH A HANDGUN...makes me glad I live in Canada" (given we have 1/3 the ownership per capita and very few handguns)?

JamesBr:

Ace O'Hagen:
of course they're going to blame the video games. we can't have an adult conversation on the place guns have in American Society. we'd hurt the feelings of the NRA and all the Congressmen they bribe contribute to.

eight years old and playing GTA ... eight years old ... makes me glad I moved to Canada

What does any of this have to do with living in Canada? I'm Canadian and have been playing M rated games since I was 8 (they weren't called M rated at the time mind you). Don't you mean "eight years old and playing WITH A HANDGUN...makes me glad I live in Canada" (given we have 1/3 the ownership per capita and very few handguns)?

yeah, I misspoke on that last part. my bad. There is definitely a culture of irresponsibility in the US when it comes to the handling of firearms compared to the rest of the western world

nodlimax:
Aaaaaalright - 8 years old - playing GTA 4. What's wrong with that picture?

How about we put the parents in jail because they're freaking idiots and should not be allowed to "guide" a child......

Eight years old. With a loaded handgun. That's the picture we should be looking at.

IT'S DEM GAMES I TELL YA, DEM GAMES! Cuz obviously it's not a question of why a kid that age is playing games like that one. And even though I played a GTA when I was 10, and I've yet to kill anyone, the document says "OBSESSED", and obession means pretty much mental disorder.

Also, why was there a gun? Why was he just able to take it from wherever it was? Why does it say "caregiver"? Does that mean there's a background of some sort of why he doesn't live with his parents? May that refer to a worse case of what I previously mentioned? Because while games won't make a person go nuts, easily-impressed people shouldn't be exposed to that, and while I played lots of this games when I was younger, I never presented any case of mental instability, and knew that games are just games a long time before that.

Sometimes, I just fail to see how these people that accuse games right away, seem to lack any kind of critical thinking or common sense, which really does make the latter seem like a super power nowadays.

Hmm. I wonder if simple gun storage laws ever crossed someone's mind in America. Seriously, lock your guns up. Seperate from ammo. Fuck that country is retarded when it comes to guns.

Doom972:

"the victim and the juvenile had a normal, loving relationship, and even shared the same bedroom."

Is this kind of thing normal over there? It seems a bit suspicious. Could it be that he was being molested?

I'm thinking this too. If it is true. Then those reporters have a lot of apologies to make.

rasputin0009:
Hmm. I wonder if simple gun storage laws ever crossed someone's mind in America. Seriously, lock your guns up. Seperate from ammo. Fuck that country is retarded when it comes to guns.

There are laws regulating the storage of firearms in the US, most are common sense along the lines of "guns and ammo must be store separately; guns can't be stored loaded, etc...", though the specifics change from state to state. Doesn't mean people follow these laws mind you as the biggest argument to this is "what's the point of having a gun to defend yourself if it's locked in a box, unloaded?", but regardless, those laws do exist.

Guns and bad parenting don't kill people, video games do.

This is probably the best example of anti-gaming news ever. It's so unbelievably stupid it would fit in The Onion.

Riobux:
"Fox13Now"

Slow day then? At least at Destrucoid they don't stoop to reporting about "OH GOD, SOMEONE SAYS VIDEO GAMES CAUSE VIOLENCE!" every time someone utters it, as though it means something. I hope I'm not the only one who has noticed the decline in news quality on this website.

Well, I think it's topical, what with GTAV coming out next month.
I don't find that the quality here is declining, we've just been seeing a lot of stupid shit recently (Sim-City, X-Bone, etc)

In all honesty, given the situation, I can actually see there being some potential for the child to have been influenced by the game. He's an 8 year old kid who doesn't possibly have the mental state that can disassociate violence in media from violence in the eal world. It's very possible that he was just emulating what he saw (and did) in the game without correlating it with reality. But, and this has already been asked enough in this thread, why was an 8 year old child in a position to have free access to a loaded gun and why was he playing GTA4 in the first place?

wrightguy0:
why is the being classified as a murder? the child is 8 and doesn't understand the concepts of death, this is most likely an accident, that with more parental oversight could have been prevented.

Why was an 87 year old woman looking after an 8 year old boy? why was he allowed to play a game like GTA IV? and why was there a loaded handgun left unsecured and unsupervised?

those are the real questions that should be asked, and CPS should be involved because someone in that house was clearly negligent.

You cannot claim that. When kids "get" the concept of death depends on a lot of things. For example if a relative dies or something. I have a 3 year old niece that gets death, because the grandmother of one of her friends died and she started asking questions about death then.

But nevertheless this is the kind of thing that happens, when you LEAVE GUNS LYING AROUND. God, i really don't get americas attitude to guns and i will never get it.

You see when i was young i used to fire at my friends with toy guns. Or with our hands, whatever was available. You know, that's the kind of thing young kids do.
Guns don't belong within reach of kids. Guns don't belong in any household period.

Thyunda:

nodlimax:
Aaaaaalright - 8 years old - playing GTA 4. What's wrong with that picture?

How about we put the parents in jail because they're freaking idiots and should not be allowed to "guide" a child......

Eight years old. With a loaded handgun. That's the picture we should be looking at.

Well, that's another stupid thing, I definitely agree.....

JamesBr:

rasputin0009:
Hmm. I wonder if simple gun storage laws ever crossed someone's mind in America. Seriously, lock your guns up. Seperate from ammo. Fuck that country is retarded when it comes to guns.

There are laws regulating the storage of firearms in the US, most are common sense along the lines of "guns and ammo must be store separately; guns can't be stored loaded, etc...", though the specifics change from state to state. Doesn't mean people follow these laws mind you as the biggest argument to this is "what's the point of having a gun to defend yourself if it's locked in a box, unloaded?", but regardless, those laws do exist.

Those laws only exist in about 28 states with a lot of them only applying to long guns and such (handguns still allowed to be loaded and unlocked). Only about 5 states apply criminal negligence to gun owners when children get ahold of guns. Which is fucking retarded.

The story should be about why a 8 year old have even come close to a loaded gun, but that wont get a splash in the news and it could point a finger at weapons and or bad parenting,,so lets just skip that and go with games are evil huh.

I've read 3 different articles of this story and in NONE of the them has it brought up that an 8 year old should never have had access to a loaded gun. I'm not going to say that the game didn't influence the kid, but everything influences young children. My 5 year old niece watched ParaNorman and thought being dead would be really fun and I explained that it was just a movie and wasn't real. She thinks fairies are responsible for changing seasons. What I'm saying is, Children can be influenced by anything and it's up to parents and care takers to deal with that. I know this is tragic, but having been caring for children for a long time I have to quote Bill Cosby, "Children have brain damage."

Gee, if only there was some kind of video game rating system so that parents would know what games might not be appropriate for their young children....Oh, wait....

Gee, if only there was some kind of law that insured young kids couldn't get access to guns with live ammunition and shoot them, perhaps some kind of trigger guard.....Oh, wait....

Gee, if only there was some kind of law that required young children to be supervised.....Oh, wait....

Good Gods, this is an epic parenting fail.

I remember a story on CNN where a five year old in Kentucky accidentally shot his 2 year old sister soon after he was gifted his first gun for his birthday the story continued to say that it was normal to introduce guns to young children in that state and there are many incidents of the children accidentally killing family member no one was blamed and the article just asks how young is too young. The gun was also marketed towards young children.

Link:http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/kentucky-accidential-shooting

FOX article: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/01/5-year-old-shoots-2-year-old-sister-in-kentucky-with-rifle-got-as-gift/
they don't put their opinion into this one.

Also the officer just assumes its GTA 4's fault no evidence just assumes fine police work

Blame the games not the parents/caregiver for having a loaded gun where and 8 year old can not only find it but "play" with it.

Common sense goes a long way, and it seems to fairly lacking in this story, from the start to letting a 8 year old play gta4 at all, and so on for the rest of it.

Of course the media is looking to blame anything but the root cause bad parenting. And games are higher on the hit list than guns suprisingly.

Doom972:

"the victim and the juvenile had a normal, loving relationship, and even shared the same bedroom."

Is this kind of thing normal over there? It seems a bit suspicious. Could it be that he was being molested?

It's a bit normal. If you think about it, a married couple that has their baby's crib in the bedroom would too share the bedroom with their kid.

Now, if it was the same bed, that would be weird regardless of anything else, considering she was 87.

OT, Loaded Handgun in easy access of children.

Obviously videogames are to blame.

Even as a gun owner, I keep my firearms where only I have access to them. Even then, the ammunition is kept separate from the weapon itself, granted, the magazines are in a lockbox next to my firearms, but if you dont have the key which I keep on me at all times, then you are never going to get into it.

Really, the 'investigators' sound like a bunch of lazy fucktards, they saw he had a PS3 and GTA IV and immediately they have a Motive.

GOLD STAR, YOU ARE WINNER.

Nice way to earn your paycheck you lazy bastards.

am I the only one questioning how the kid managed to arm the weapon? either having the strength to pull the slide back to chamber a round (don't really know how hard this is cause I only have a spring powered BB gun, but those things can be hard to arm) or how they'd even know that that was required (just how accurate are toys these days???)

if that wasn't required, that means that the caregiver kept an ARMED HANDGUN IN EASY REACH OF AN UNSUPERVISED CHILD, and if there wasn't a game in reach, the news would probably be leaping down the throat of that point...

For once, I can see how it's plausible that GTA IV affected the kid. But he was never supposed to be playing the game to begin with, it's about as adult as it gets.

I hope the mass media focuses on the whole "small child plays adult games" and "child shooter had free access to a weapon and ammunition" instead of just "Shooter played GTA IV, driven mad by simulated violence".

Amaror:
God, i really don't get americas attitude to guns and i will never get it.

Guns don't belong in any household period.

I have a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 chambered in .40 s&w, the same round the local police and sheriffs departments have their service pistols chambered in.

I use this firearm primarily for dealing with Coyotes and feral pigs, the former because we have dogs and my grandmother lost her beloved chihuahua to them, the later because they are mean as fuck and can gore you fairly easily.

But, no, obviously I shouldn't have a weapon to defend my pets or family, I should just let my pets get mauled by wild animals and the next time I come across a feral pig I should just go ahead and let it take off my leg.

because someone doesn't like firearms.

sense makes this none.

Where the heck did a 8 year old kid get a gun with live ammo?

Ya'll need to have better passwords for your safes...

ssgt splatter:
OMFG!
Why does he have access to a LOADED handgun?!
How did he GET access to a LOADED handgun?! Was it just lying around in plain sight?!
Why was an 8 year old playing GTA 4?
Why are police blaming a video game and not the caregiver or the parents who obviously did a piss-poor job of teaching the kid right from wrong and what is real and what is not real?
Why is FOX News...actually, I shouldn't ask that particular question. It's a given really.

If what FOX News says about violent games is true, then I should've commited mass murder myself a dozen times over by now. I've been playing violent games, First Person Shooters at least, since 007 Goldeneye came out when I was 7 years old.

Pretty much what ran through my mind the moment I read the first paragraph. But nooooo, it's the game that did it. Fucking Fox news and their negative IQ with reports..

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