Xbox One Won't Support External Storage At Launch

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Brotha Desmond:
I'm not getting one, but I don't see how this is a problem. After a while, yes, but you should be able to go a few months with 500 GB even of you only buy digital.

Well, It mightn't be that long, considering the Xbone's Gimmick is installing games on the HDD and making the Disk usless afterwards.

anybody who use's up 500 gb's in a month or 6 needs to find the most exspensive shrink they can find.

its a PC in a fancy box, it has three USB 3.0 Ports.

this is practically something they had to go out their way to not have work.

I guess it's not that big a deal. I mean how many members of the Escapist will even be able to buy one at launch? And of those, how many will be able to have it even understand their language? And of those, how many will be lucky enough to be able to turn it on with their voice?

But hey, at least the controller synches faster. Saving you all of 2 seconds when you turn on your system. That totally makes up for it, right? Right?

More miscommunication?! I'm shocked I tell you!!!

Saltyk:
how many will be able to have it even understand their language?

i'm Scottish.

the machine has two setting for "English".

"US" and "UK"

i'm looking forward to the youtube videos already...

"hexboax oan"

....

"hex-boax...oan"

....

"HEXBOAX OAN"

....

"HEXBOAX FUCKIN OAN YA FUCKIN PILE A SHITE!"

I think 500gb is good enough for a console. I mean, all you'll likely keep on it is installed games and saves, the latter of which takes up practically nothing by today's standards. A 200gb SSD for my PC has all my installed games on it, and it still has quite a lot of space left on it.

Sleekit:

Saltyk:
how many will be able to have it even understand their language?

i'm Scottish.

the machine has two setting for "English".

"US" and "UK"

i'm looking forward to the youtube videos already...

"hexboax oan"

....

"hex-boax...oan"

....

"HEXBOAX OAN"

....

"HEXBOAX FUCKIN OAN YA FUCKIN PILE A SHITE!"

Let's be honest. You and I both know Microsoft doesn't care about you. You don't live in the US. Which is their primary demographic. I think they made that perfectly clear by now.

Is the Xbox One even launching in Scotland? I'm really not even sure.

The non-removable Hard drive was a deal breaker for me already considering I have 3 dead 360's and the ability to take it out of a dead one and slap it in another solved the problem instantly for me on more than one occasion. The USB storage is pretty much useless anyhow if the Xbox won't power on to be able to use it. Who the hell wants a stupid looking USB device hooked up to their console all the time anyhow? Not to mention it will eventually wear on the USB connection to the board over time and break it when you have something like that connected to it all the time pulling on it.

TakeyB0y2:
I think 500gb is good enough for a console. I mean, all you'll likely keep on it is installed games and saves, the latter of which takes up practically nothing by today's standards. A 200gb SSD for my PC has all my installed games on it, and it still has quite a lot of space left on it.

500gb is pretty much useless when it won't power on if it is non removable. On the 360 when it won't power on at least you could take it out and put it in another and solve the problem easily (Which was a life saver when 3 of the 360's died on me). Of course the USB would be just as useless at that point as well, hence one of the primary reasons I decided to not buy their console this time unless they make another one that solves these issues later. It isn't like they are giving it a 10 year warranty that covers your friends knocking it off the counter. LOL

CriticalMiss:
It might not seem like a difficult task, but you have to remember that the Xbone has by now had significant redesigning from all of the U-turns it has made since launch. They've had to tear out the DRM and the mandatory Kinect which were previously 'critical' to the system. Which likely meant they had to stop work on the things people wanted to get rid of the stuff they didn't.

Making a console compatible with an external hard-drive is a software-level thing, since the USB jack handles all of the "hardware" complications. There is no question that such functionality is incredibly easy to add and support, given that virtually every electronics device in the industry can do it now. It's an industry standard. There's really no excuse for this functionality NOT existing at launch.

And for what it's worth, both of these "mandatory" functions were also software-based restrictions, thus why they had so little trouble removing them from the console with a simple Day One patch.

TakeyB0y2:
I think 500gb is good enough for a console. I mean, all you'll likely keep on it is installed games and saves, the latter of which takes up practically nothing by today's standards. A 200gb SSD for my PC has all my installed games on it, and it still has quite a lot of space left on it.

I still find it baffling that they decided to keep such a small drive for something that was going to have DVR capability; I'd have thought at least 1TB would be needed for an all in one.

Maybe they should just delay the launch.
That might look worse than constantly dropping features and promising they will be added later, but it will look better than an unfinished product, which the Xbox One is quickly shaping up to look like.

Knight Templar:
Maybe they should just delay the launch.
That might look worse than constantly dropping features and promising they will be added later, but it will look better than an unfinished product, which the Xbox One is quickly shaping up to look like.

They wanted to beat Sony out the gate, which they did by one week in 13 countries.

Remember MS actually waited for Sony to drop its release date before announcing theirs.

As others have said, this is a bit of a non-issue, because you're not going to fill up 500GB shortly after launch. You'd need to install a load of day one releases and then put lots of music and videos on the disk, say if you wanted to use it as the One media device for your lounge room. And this is clearly not something that Microsoft is aiming for.

I'm struggling to see how this wouldn't be available at launch.

Like... I'm really having trouble understanding why external storage wouldn't be supported right off the bat.

Even the Wii let's you store data and games on SD cards. You know it's bad when you have to play catch up with Nintendo's last gen console.

So, who is waiting for the obviuos "pay us 10 dolalrs to unlock external hardware support" news message after launch?
Either that or they will act like with everything else - will sell external HDDs that work only on Xbone and you wont be able to use normal devices on it. you know, like with all Microsoft peripherals, because how else can you rip people off tenfold.

SonOfVoorhees:
Well they want you to use the cloud to save stuff...also notice the "at launch" part. Until then you can just delete stuff you no longer need....if your not playing the game then delete it off your harddrive or use the cloud. This is just moaning for nothing - this is not a big deal, just ripe for a 1st word problem meme. Im waiting for a "XB1 doesnt play C64 cassettes" story.

Again...read....wont support external storage AT LAUNCH!! Or do you think you can fill up that drive within 2 days?

how about hours? i never had a hard drive that isnt full and theres at least 10 times the amount of data id like to write if i could. i currently have 500 gb on a laptop, and its really small drive to have.

Adam Jensen:
Just how finished is this abomination exactly? 30%? Is that too generous?

considerthing that its core feature - ability to watch tv - works id say around 50%. what, you wanted to play games on this thing? thats only a secondary feature they will give you at thier leisure.

Infernal Lawyer:
TBH I'm not sure if you can actually run highly demanding games of HDD drives anyway.

to put it simply, yes they can
Explanation:

That depends on USB you use.
If you use 1.0 you got 1.5mbps. noone uses these anymore.
if you use 1.1 you got 12 mbps. noone uses these anymore.
if you use 2.0 you got 3 speeds: low speed (same as 1.0, noone uses), Full speed (same as 1.1 theoretically, ive seen one doing a sustained transfer at 40mbps couple times). these are often used for flash drives as they usually dont need fast transfer. and you got hi-speed, which is theoretically up to 480 mbps. these are what are used for hard drives.
If you use USB 3.0 that is widespread for HDDs now and starting to take stance on flash drives, you got thoeretical speed up to 5 Gbps. To compare, internal SATA HDD has theoretical speed up to 6 gbps. and to compare to reading off the disc, 1x is around 36mbps speed of reading, so even well working USB 2.0 at hi-speed transfer if we assume theoretical maximum could outdo a 13x blue ray drive. most drives are bellow these speeds. and USB 3.0 can compare in speeds with internal hard drives.

To repeat what others have said; I can't imagine anyone burning through 500GB that quickly. But putting that aside I can't see how external storage isn't possible. Maybe I'm underestimating the process to detect the drive and transfer the data. Seems like all the ex HD plug and play. Perhaps like the speech recognition software for kinect it shall require much tuning to adapt to the various devices out there. It truly is hard to tell what's "easy" or "hard" in the way programing a system. Again like others have said; why are they releasing a unfinished project. This isn't the first "Not at launch" release. Coupled with the limited release in countries makes it all seem bleak. Who knows? Perhaps MS will surprise us all.

at this point what can the Xbox One do?

can it play games?

can it even be turned on or will it only turn on fora few selected countries at launch?

Yeah needless to say I am getting real weary of all this talk of "the cloud" like it is some sort of salvation. I simply cannot understand why it has to be explained why net connectivity as a prerequisite of any type to access products paid for is not an acceptable solution to anything.

Dont get me wrong. I utilize remote computing myself. In fact I am this week building a network to be able to remote view all the various desktops I have to do long distance tech support on to run on my android handheld. There is some good that can come from remote computing, but under no circumstance should remote computing be allowed to be the ONLY solution or method to achieve results, ever.

So, even if MS is relying on the cloud to cover themselves until they can finish whatever they have been screwing around with that is keeping them from having what was rational and logical need given

that the Xbox One internal hard drive is non-replaceable

then they need to push the release date back, forget trying to head to head with Sony and put out a finished product because we all know how this industry has such a stellar track record on delivering delayed promises once they have their money in hand.

Other thought: Uhm... On the above quote. So please tell me that does not actually mean that this system that supposedly is intended to run for a decade always on has a design flaw so gaping wide you could drive a defensive line of mack trucks through it. Or is MS opting for a 500gb or so SSD instead of a more standardized rotary based hard drive? I might be wrong on that. If Im not though that seems insane that for all intents that if something as prone to breaking down as a hard drive equates to not just replacing the bad drive but replacing the entire system.

Yeah, sadly despite being a console gamer through all of the console generations, with all the garbage coming down the pipe I might just have to sit this generation out all together.

CpT_x_Killsteal:
Not really a big deal but I'm noticing a pattern here.

They should change their motto to "Not at launch".

How about "XBox One all in one........ Eventually or "XBox One we're working on it"

I would love to see an advert on this now saying all the features they announced at launch then at the end of it have the terms and conditions guy run through everything they cut as fast as possible.

search_rip:
This is NOT a big deal, there's no way you can fill your 500GB HDD at launch just by instaling games and eventually they will add support.

RaNDM G:
Not a problem at launch. Anyone will have a hard time filling up 500 gigs in the first year, unless they decide to upload their entire music library.

Exactly. I mean it's not like they've been constantly insisting that the Xbone is "not simply a games console, but the ultimate all-in-one home entertainment system". What kind of idiot would want to have anything other than games stored on it?

I have run out of things to say. I mean how hard can it be to mount an external drive. In fact how hard can it be to allow users to upgrade a internal disk? I mean my PS2 with network adapter you can change the hard drive in that in about 20 .seconds and that was 9 years ago we are supposed to be moving forwards not backwards.

This sounds oddly familiar....

Like I've been told this before...

Oh, thats right, Apple pulled this stunt with the 2nd Generation iPod Touch. When it launched, it had no Bluetooth support. They didn't even acknowledge the fact that the device even HAD bluetooth.

A year after the device was on the market, they released iOS 3, which 'unlocked' bluetooth, and you had to pay for the update.

Pay for an upgrade. To access the a device function on the item you shelled out a couple hundred dollars for.

JustanotherGamer:

CpT_x_Killsteal:
Not really a big deal but I'm noticing a pattern here.

They should change their motto to "Not at launch".

How about "XBox One all in one........ Eventually or "XBox One we're working on it"

I would love to see an advert on this now saying all the features they announced at launch then at the end of it have the terms and conditions guy run through everything they cut as fast as possible.

Pretty sure he'd bite off his tongue and die.

You know what would be sad?

If despite all the shit that happened, The DRM, The Kinect Spying, The Missing features, The blatant lack of respect for the Consumer.

That this Console still makes a profit because of all the COD Kids wanting the new Xbox without actually knowing what a Piece of Shit it was.

NiPah:

SonOfVoorhees:
Well they want you to use the cloud to save stuff...also notice the "at launch" part. Until then you can just delete stuff you no longer need....if your not playing the game then delete it off your harddrive or use the cloud. This is just moaning for nothing - this is not a big deal, just ripe for a 1st word problem meme. Im waiting for a "XB1 doesnt play C64 cassettes" story.

Again...read....wont support external storage AT LAUNCH!! Or do you think you can fill up that drive within 2 days?

While it wasn't the norm, Playstation 3 games could take up to the entire 50gig capacity of a duel layered BD, and that was last gen. So 500 gigs, add to that the OS, any DVR'ed media (which is why there is no external HD options), save game files, and of course the full BD disk installs and you're going to use that 500gig HD quite quickly.

Also you think Microsoft would take a black-eye for a feature removal like this only to add it in within two days? or a month? Don't kid yourself you'll be lucky if Microsoft ever reverses this policy.

The 2 day thing was just a number i pulled out, even if it takes 6 months i dont think you will have filled up a 500gig hard drive, especially if cloud does what its meant to. From what i gather you cant transfer your saves from your 360 so you wouldnt fill half your HD just with your transferred stuff. For me i dont collect games, so once i finish it i would delete it off my hard drive and sell it. I guess on second thoughts i didnt take into account the record function it has may be a eat up the harddrive if its used alot - but again its another function i wont use nor online gaming either. So if you play a number of games online then yes the drive will fill up quick as you will want to keep them all on your hard drive and not reinstalling them all the time.

On my 360 i still have around 8g left on the 15g drive i had at launch. So I doubt i will ever fill up 500g. But then i dont use hardly anything on the 360, dont go online for gaming, rarely download DLC and dont collect games. So its not a problem for me, but if you are a major user of the XB1, saves all DLC and game installs, bought and uses all the features like recording vids of games etc then i can see that 500g might not sound like much.

But i also wouldnt be surprised if they did uturn. Although it makes me laugh that MS give out negative information without explaining. If they gave a date of 1 year, then it would make things alot easier for people.

Diablo1099:
You know what would be sad?

If despite all the shit that happened, The DRM, The Kinect Spying, The Missing features, The blatant lack of respect for the Consumer.

That this Console still makes a profit because of all the COD Kids wanting the new Xbox without actually knowing what a Piece of Shit it was.

Technically none of the Xbox consoles have really given Microsoft any profit whatsoever. They've been losing money on the Xbox Division since the original Xbox, which is why many more analysts (although I'd take most of those with a grain of salt) are saying for Microsoft to sell of the Xbox Division as opposed to Sony Analysts saying to sell of the Playstation division. Not to mention that there is more of a chance of that happening with Steve Ballmer leaving in 12 months or so, something that has been long overdue.
360 has made some profit, but that's probably all be used up with the Xbox One sorta like how Sony lost all that money they made with the PS2 when the PS3 launched. It'll be interesting to say the least, but the Xbox One more than likely isn't gonna break even for Microsoft at all. At least that's what I think.

Gordon_4:

I still find it baffling that they decided to keep such a small drive for something that was going to have DVR capability; I'd have thought at least 1TB would be needed for an all in one.

Really you would think that they'd do this. Apparently though the Xbox One allows actual capture cards to connect to it and to be used now, so I guess it can differentiate a game between a movie when it comes to the HDCP encryption. If this is true, then that's one positive thing the Xbox One has. One positive thing in a sea of negatives. XD

Diablo1099:

Brotha Desmond:
I'm not getting one, but I don't see how this is a problem. After a while, yes, but you should be able to go a few months with 500 GB even of you only buy digital.

Well, It mightn't be that long, considering the Xbone's Gimmick is installing games on the HDD and making the Disk usless afterwards.

I thought they already went back on that. Besides, unless you buy five games a month it shouldn't be a problem right away.

It would take maybe an hour of R&D time to patch in the standard USB 3.0 I/O kit.
This isn't some new fangled tech, it's a connection standard used on nearly bloody everything the world over.

If there is a technical limitation to overcome, it's involves DRM.
Probably to keep people from sharing their games via USB HDDs.

Either that, or they're actually going to slowly move back towards the original DRM platform over the life of the console.
(unlikely but possible, and that would require DRM-locked HDDs)

Brotha Desmond:
I thought they already went back on that. Besides, unless you buy five games a month it shouldn't be a problem right away.

I think that was just the fact you needed to Log in order to do that, it's still an option I think, Not too sure :/

You'd think the company that makes Windows would easily be able to give a product of theirs the ability to use external hard drives. You know...like Windows does...

It's probably because they will want only microsoft made external HDD's to be able to be used with it that will be worse and more expensive than your average external HDD.

As far as I'm concerned, since I haven't touched a sonsole since the late 90s, consoles only need just enough storage to hold game saves.

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