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Blizzard: Expect More WoW Expansions, Sooner

Warlords of Draenor

The house that Warcraft built is already hard at work on the next expansion to follow the upcoming Warlords of Draenor.

Blizzard's Warlords of Draenor announcement isn't even a week old and the studio is already talking about future expansions for its storied MMO. Company president Mike Morhaime told Polygon that another, unannounced, add-on is already in the works for World of Warcraft. "We've already started working on the expansion after this one [Warlords of Draenor]. We've never done that in the past. We've been doing one expansion at a time, sort of a very linear content creation model, and we've looked at ways that we can parallelize that. So that while we're working on this expansion we're looking at the new one," he said.

Furthermore, Morhaime tells fans to expect future expansions and add-ons to be released on a faster schedule. "We recognize that we need to release them on a faster cadence than we have in the past. So we're investing in the team and our resources to enable us to do that," Morhaime said. More expansions also provide ways "of maintaining engagement within the game."

Just a few days ago, Activision announced World of Warcraft's subscriber loss had slowed, going from 7.7 million users in July to 7.6 million at the end of September. However, it's likely Blizzard is still smarting from earlier losses this year, when 600,000 players jumped ship between April and June. What do you think? We already know some of the details awaiting in Warlords of Draenor, including updated character models and player-controlled garrisons. Will you continue to buy more expansions? What else would you want Blizzard to add to the game?

Source: Polygon

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Like a man desperately doing chest compressions to a corpse, maybe if blizzard compresses faster it might jump start it's heart.

I'd love to see them sky/ocean civilizations.

Not really a WarCraft lore type, but it would be nice to see them add some new areas...and some way to skip/limit the 'kill ten of x' quests.

MoP has been the best expansion yet and Siege of Orgrimmar has been the best raid since Ulduar in my opinion. I'll be buying WoD. I'm a bit apprehensive with what they're doing to gear and stats but as long as the raid content keeps coming I'll keep playing.

VanQ:
MoP has been the best expansion yet and Siege of Orgrimmar has been the best raid since Ulduar in my opinion. I'll be buying WoD. I'm a bit apprehensive with what they're doing to gear and stats but as long as the raid content keeps coming I'll keep playing.

Is Seige really that good? I haven't done a raid since ICC. Would running LFR be good then? I don't have much time to really raid these days.

synobal:
Like a man desperately doing chest compressions to a corpse, maybe if blizzard compresses faster it might jump start it's heart.

That's just so mean! The game is not dead!

"It is not possible to kill that which has no life."
To quote a certain story.

WoW is fine, doomsaying has been systemic with various MMOs for a while now; Blizzard's entry is certainly no different. I understand there's a phenomenon involving people hating things people do that are successful that other people strive to imitate, but I've found my experience with Blizzard's games to be great.

It's almost as if people want World of Warcraft to sputter, fail, and cease to exist.

I must ask, why? If people continue to enjoy the franchise what harm is there in letting it continue to be?

BQE:

synobal:
Like a man desperately doing chest compressions to a corpse, maybe if blizzard compresses faster it might jump start it's heart.

That's just so mean! The game is not dead!

"It is not possible to kill that which has no life."
To quote a certain story.

WoW is fine, doomsaying has been systemic with various MMOs for a while now; Blizzard's entry is certainly no different. I understand there's a phenomenon involving people hating things people do that are successful that other people strive to imitate, but I've found my experience with Blizzard's games to be great.

It's almost as if people want World of Warcraft to sputter, fail, and cease to exist.

I must ask, why? If people continue to enjoy the franchise what harm is there in letting it continue to be?

You're right it isn't exactly fair, the game definitely isn't dead, but it is certainly in it's decline and I don't think more expansions faster will halt that decline. I expect a very long slow death for WoW, plenty of time to make their next MMO.

Tanis:
I'd love to see them sky/ocean civilizations.

Not really a WarCraft lore type, but it would be nice to see them add some new areas...and some way to skip/limit the 'kill ten of x' quests.

We saw what happened in cataclysm with vashj'ir. I don't think anybody wants that again.

I like that they are getting away from the side quests to collect 10 bear asses and replacing most of them with events in the area. Hopefully its just all main story quests and zone events and rare mobs for that extra xp. They said there won't be a grind like previous expansions which is a plus.

Ponyholder:

VanQ:
MoP has been the best expansion yet and Siege of Orgrimmar has been the best raid since Ulduar in my opinion. I'll be buying WoD. I'm a bit apprehensive with what they're doing to gear and stats but as long as the raid content keeps coming I'll keep playing.

Is Seige really that good? I haven't done a raid since ICC. Would running LFR be good then? I don't have much time to really raid these days.

In my opinion, it is. LFR is... a funny beast. Some bosses will go down first time every time, the entire first quarter is quite easy for example. Galakras wipes raids constantly, your typical LFR group can not handle the coordination required to get the towers done and Dark Shaman is just a cluster and people can't get out of the AoE. You just TRY and get people to kill the healers on Nazgrim. No one pops void zones on Malkarok. Siegecrafter, I solo the belt because no one else in LFR is even vaguely capable of it and you better hope someone in oyur group can mark the kill order on Paragons. On Garrosh himself, expect at least 4 wipes before your group gets the message that they need to interrupt MCs and DPS down axes and Engineers.

You can sit there and wipe until the Determination buff gets you through the fights. But you'll find yourself spending more time in LFR each week than a decent raid guild. My guild raids 3 nights a weeks, 3 hours each night and I find even with full time work, university and my attempts to have a social life I have plenty of time to do other things.

LFR is as frustrating as it has ever been but actual raiding has never been more fun and varied. If raiding is your thing, looking forward to the Mythic raiding and the felxible raiding for Normal and Heroic in WoD will make it much easier to find a part time or full time raid position. Have a read up on the new raid system they're implementing here.

BQE:
WoW is fine, doomsaying has been systemic with various MMOs for a while now; Blizzard's entry is certainly no different. I understand there's a phenomenon involving people hating things people do that are successful that other people strive to imitate, but I've found my experience with Blizzard's games to be great.

WoW isn't currently dead, but it is dying. The subscriber pool has been pretty consistently shrinking over the last couple years. There's still plenty to like about the game, and its core mechanics are probably some of, if not the best in the genre, but that doesn't change the fact that it's old and consumer interest can only be held for so long.

It's got plenty of life left in it, if I'm any judge, but it is well past its peak. I doubt more frequent expansions will change that.

To be honest though, I don't think WoW will ever completely die. It'll probably end up like Everquest eventually, with a small, dedicated community that continues to play it (on official servers or otherwise) and keep it alive, but I doubt the subscriber numbers will ever start actually climbing again (barring the temporary spikes right after expac releases).

I swear this is like the third or forth time I've heard somebody from Blizzard say that they are going to make expansions more frequent and have less time between them.

Nazulu:
The problem right here is we don't understand one another. So next time you decide to sum up those that are disappointed as just 'jumping on the hate train' or 'hating things just because they're successful', just remember you have no fucking idea what your talking about. Also, just by saying something like that shows you have no interest of really learning why either. You really are fueling the flames with words like that, and it could also be said that you're just adopting what others have said (the cop out argument train), others who never took interest where that anger came from.

Well, that's certainly a passionate and colorful retort.

First, might I add that there's absolutely no reason to berate anyone like that, particularly with a comment regarding fueling the flames.

I'm baffled at how you heard things I don't believe I said. So, in the effort to clarify, let's take a closer look at my words.

BQE:
That's just so mean! The game is not dead!
Here's an innocuous exclaimation regarding the the metaphors people choose to employ.

"It is not possible to kill that which has no life."
To quote a certain story.
Here's a statement combining phrases from Catherine and the WoW episode of Southpark

WoW is fine, doomsaying has been systemic with various MMOs for a while now; Blizzard's entry is certainly no different. I understand there's a phenomenon involving people hating things people do that are successful that other people strive to imitate, but I've found my experience with Blizzard's games to be great.
I made an observation regarding the negative attitudes people seem to bear toward the game, noting that I've seen this attitude in other games I've played. I would assume the sentence you took the most issue with was the about the phnomenon. It was simply an assement I've made based off of the attitudes I've noticed in regard to particular franchises, namely Call of Duty and World of Warcraft

It's almost as if people want World of Warcraft to sputter, fail, and cease to exist.
I suppose you've got me here. The statement is grandiloquent if nothing else, I'm not sure what is so incensing about it though.

I must ask, why? If people continue to enjoy the franchise what harm is there in letting it continue to be?
I concluded with a somewhat rhetorical question regarding letting people be happy. I suppose I could of easily summed it up by quoting Hemmingway as saying:
"Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know"

I would very nearly assume that you were angry about something else, and funneled your anger into a response to a post not meant to raise ire.

Let me be clear:
-I never summed people up as jumping on hate trains or hating things just because they are successful.
-I never indicated I bore no interest in learning peoples opinions regarding their distaste with this game.
-I never attempted to adopt what others have said.

As for not having any idea of what I'm talking about, well, I believe it was Socrates that stated to the effect of "I know nothing except for the very fact I know nothing."

Let me just conclude on the fact that I'm not looking for an arguement, I'm certainly willing to listen to your woes regarding ths game. I would appreciate it if you adopted a more civil tone however.

VanQ:

Nazulu:
WAAH! STOP LIKING WHAT I DON"T LIKE!

I just went ahead and summed up your entire post for you in one easy sentence. Just because you don't see the value in the games it doesn't mean others don't. WoW has more content than ever before and more freedom to play how you want to play than it ever did before.

Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm BOTH had more content that SC and Brood War combined.

I can't comment on Diablo because I didn't play Diablo 3.

Fantastic. You just proved my point.

This is a perfect example of not understanding of what I'm talking about, just the pathetic generalising that makes me see no reason to respect your opinion at all.

I am sick of passive aggressive posts like yours Van, and it's pretty much why there will never be and end to the flame war. Read your post again, because you didn't prove a fucking thing, you just wanted to make a quick insult to solve whatever problems you may have.

Honestly I'm fine with it. I don't really know about how the development cycle works for them, but usually their expansions have a gigantic dead-zone for the last 12-ish months. If you can cut some of that out and leave the rest the same, you're golden.

I think I'm going to avoid quoting the posts above mine, or I'll end up getting cranky.

BQE:

Nazulu:
The problem right here is we don't understand one another. So next time you decide to sum up those that are disappointed as just 'jumping on the hate train' or 'hating things just because they're successful', just remember you have no fucking idea what your talking about. Also, just by saying something like that shows you have no interest of really learning why either. You really are fueling the flames with words like that, and it could also be said that you're just adopting what others have said (the cop out argument train), others who never took interest where that anger came from.

Well, that's certainly a passionate and colorful retort.

First, might I add that there's absolutely no reason to berate anyone like that, particularly with a comment regarding fueling the flames.

I'm baffled at how you heard things I don't believe I said. So, in the effort to clarify, let's take a closer look at my words.

That was for everyone, not just you. I can see how that was confusing. Next time I'll specify.

It was to 'reveal' people like Van, since these people are everywhere. I can't have a normal discussion without someone doing that to me so I thought I'll dip in first.

It's good to see the character models getting a facelift, but to be honest I don't see this fixing the real problem with WoW: 90% of the content is irrelevant. Once you get to end-game raiding the game's a ton of fun, but there's so much pointless boondoggle crap between you and those raids that you can't help feeling like you're being punished for putting your money in.

One need only look at crafting to realize the point I'm trying to make here. The only reason to craft stuff prior to the current expansion's additions is to level your crafting so you CAN craft that stuff. You're being shown all of this content and then told that it's pointless.

Blizzard at this point needs to seriously revamp a huge portion of the game, and the more content they add, the more difficult that mission becomes.

Compatriot Block:
I think I'm going to avoid quoting the posts above mine, or I'll end up getting cranky.

Get cranky then. What do you really want to say to me, huh? If you know something we don't then you should share it. Unless your just going to throw insults too. This what I'm actually talking about if anyone is confused.

Do you know what it's like to be continuously told "you're ignorant" through quotes like "you have nostalgia glasses", "haters gonna hate" or "stop acting like a child"? Give me a good reason why I shouldn't be annoyed time to time.

Nazulu:

Compatriot Block:
I think I'm going to avoid quoting the posts above mine, or I'll end up getting cranky.

Get cranky then. What do you really want to say to me, huh? If you know something we don't then you should share it. Unless your just going to throw insults too. This what I'm actually talking about if anyone is confused.

Do you know what it's like to be continuously told "you're ignorant" through quotes like "you have nostalgia glasses", "haters gonna hate" or "stop acting like a child"? Give me a good reason why I shouldn't be annoyed time to time.

I actually wasn't referring to you at all. Jesus, throw your tantrum elsewhere. I hadn't even read your post yet.

I've seen your posts in other threads too, and I'll be direct like you always demand. You enter threads with a chip on your shoulder, looking for something to get pissed about. I'm not going to give you a "good reason" for jack shit, because I don't care whether or not you find my posts (which again, had nothing to do with you) annoying.

Since you are confused, I was expecting people to be complaining about the expansion because of misunderstanding some of the released information. I have pointed out ways that they have been mistaken over the past couple of days in a couple posts, and I am tired of negativity, so I wasn't going to this time. It's their opinion, not my business or problem.

But you're special I guess.

They have been saying that for years now, so this will be a case of believe it when I see it.

As for blizzard I've personally haven't been happy with their direction for a while;
Subscription for WoW but still pulling content from the game to sell in the blizstore, minipets/mounts/transmog, along side design general direction.
D3 not living up to D2 LoD, aimed more towards casual/new players than the diablo fanbase and oh god the RMAH and atrocious always online "feature".
Removal of LAN support for both SC2 and D3.

A lot of stuff rubs me the wrong way, I understand they are a business but it used to feel like they made great games and put their fans first letting us play how we want to making good games that we play the way they want us too and we are just a walking wallet to them.

Nazulu:

Get cranky then. What do you really want to say to me, huh? If you know something we don't then you should share it. Unless your just going to throw insults too. This what I'm actually talking about if anyone is confused.

Do you know what it's like to be continuously told "you're ignorant" through quotes like "you have nostalgia glasses", "haters gonna hate" or "stop acting like a child"? Give me a good reason why I shouldn't be annoyed time to time.

Reading your post, all I can really think of is... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and I wonder... "Does he understand what that means?"
Because jumping right into your first post on a topic is SOOOOO productive when it's blatantly rude and ostracizing towards others who don't share the same opinion, and the only defense for it is "PEOPLE DO IT TO ME SO I DO IT FIRST!".

Blatant assumptions and a general ignorance of civility is no excuse for it, and all it does is, as you said, make people say "stop acting like a child." Not that I condone the manner in which Van responded to you, but again your initial post is made in such a manner that it invites it, rather than discourages it.

FYI, welcome to the internet, where you'll hear that everywhere. It's called block/ignore users and reporting posts that are blatantly in violation of said sites rules. Have a nice day.

As for the article, I'll mirror what several people have already said, and that's... well, Blizzard has already said this before. If anything the expansion just shows they are, as usual, willing to pick and grab from all the new MMOs on the block. Which is nice, I suppose. Now if only they'd go for a dump of the game engine and replace it with a newer one. With all the archaic code its running atop of, its never a surprise when you see a tier bonus implement a week-long cooldown on skills, or unnecessarily limits things that, by now, should be updated.

Compatriot Block:

Nazulu:

Compatriot Block:
I think I'm going to avoid quoting the posts above mine, or I'll end up getting cranky.

Get cranky then. What do you really want to say to me, huh? If you know something we don't then you should share it. Unless your just going to throw insults too. This what I'm actually talking about if anyone is confused.

Do you know what it's like to be continuously told "you're ignorant" through quotes like "you have nostalgia glasses", "haters gonna hate" or "stop acting like a child"? Give me a good reason why I shouldn't be annoyed time to time.

I actually wasn't referring to you at all. Jesus, throw your tantrum elsewhere. I hadn't even read your post yet.

I've seen your posts in other threads too, and I'll be direct like you always demand. You enter threads with a chip on your shoulder, looking for something to get pissed about. I'm not going to give you a "good reason" for jack shit, because I don't care whether or not you find my posts (which again, had nothing to do with you) annoying.

Since you are confused, I was expecting people to be complaining about the expansion because of misunderstanding some of the released information. I have pointed out ways that they have been mistaken over the past couple of days in a couple posts, and I am tired of negativity, so I wasn't going to this time. It's their opinion, not my business or problem.

But you're special I guess.

Oh Ok. So your timing was just terrible. Gotcha. Next time be more clear then.

And yeah, I sometimes target people who take silent stabs at me, is there a problem with that?

Nazulu:

VanQ:

Nazulu:
WAAH! STOP LIKING WHAT I DON"T LIKE!

I just went ahead and summed up your entire post for you in one easy sentence. Just because you don't see the value in the games it doesn't mean others don't. WoW has more content than ever before and more freedom to play how you want to play than it ever did before.

Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm BOTH had more content that SC and Brood War combined.

I can't comment on Diablo because I didn't play Diablo 3.

Fantastic. You just proved my point.

This is a perfect example of not understanding of what I'm talking about, just the pathetic generalising that makes me see no reason to respect your opinion at all.

I am sick of passive aggressive posts like yours Van, and it's pretty much why there will never be and end to the flame war. Read your post again, because you didn't prove a fucking thing, you just wanted to make a quick insult to solve whatever problems you may have.

What exactly did you "reveal" about me? That I like WoW and SC2? What an awful person I am.

If you're not happy with the cash shop in WoW, then don't use it. The cash shop does literally nothing to change the gameplay. Also, WoW is not easier than ever, it just has easier options than ever. The heroic mode raids are still there for people that want to push themselves to the limit. They are damn hard, I'm sorry that you see people enjoying LFR and that grinds your gears. I'll let them play how they want and I'll play how I want, because the options are there.

The subscription isn't a problem to me. It keeps the qualityof the content higher than most other games to have a guaranteed source of income. And I worked out the monthly subscription fee just now to be literally 0.2% of my monthly income and I don't even earn that much. It's literally a drop in the bucket.

Funny thing is, I agree with you entirely on Diablo 3. I avoided it because of the real money AH and always online. I still haven't bought or played it and won't do so until they make it offline for the PC.

Way to "reveal" people like me. How dare we enjoy Blizzard games or have standards lower than yours.

scotth266:
It's good to see the character models getting a facelift, but to be honest I don't see this fixing the real problem with WoW: 90% of the content is irrelevant. Once you get to end-game raiding the game's a ton of fun, but there's so much pointless boondoggle crap between you and those raids that you can't help feeling like you're being punished for putting your money in.

One need only look at crafting to realize the point I'm trying to make here. The only reason to craft stuff prior to the current expansion's additions is to level your crafting so you CAN craft that stuff. You're being shown all of this content and then told that it's pointless.

Blizzard at this point needs to seriously revamp a huge portion of the game, and the more content they add, the more difficult that mission becomes.

Blizzard has actually alleviated that by offering a one time boost to level 90 for one character on your account when you purchase WoD. So if you've been gone a while or are new to the game and don't want to have to drudge through irrelevant content, that's an option.

cursedseishi:

Nazulu:

Get cranky then. What do you really want to say to me, huh? If you know something we don't then you should share it. Unless your just going to throw insults too. This what I'm actually talking about if anyone is confused.

Do you know what it's like to be continuously told "you're ignorant" through quotes like "you have nostalgia glasses", "haters gonna hate" or "stop acting like a child"? Give me a good reason why I shouldn't be annoyed time to time.

Reading your post, all I can really think of is... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and I wonder... "Does he understand what that means?"
Because jumping right into your first post on a topic is SOOOOO productive when it's blatantly rude and ostracizing towards others who don't share the same opinion, and the only defense for it is "PEOPLE DO IT TO ME SO I DO IT FIRST!".

Blatant assumptions and a general ignorance of civility is no excuse for it, and all it does is, as you said, make people say "stop acting like a child." Not that I condone the manner in which Van responded to you, but again your initial post is made in such a manner that it invites it, rather than discourages it.

FYI, welcome to the internet, where you'll hear that everywhere. It's called block/ignore users and reporting posts that are blatantly in violation of said sites rules. Have a nice day.

I answered the question truthfully, where is the first sin? I want to know what your exactly talking about.

And if you are talking about my last paragraph then you've missed the point entirely. Every time I say something against Blizzard I will have someone do it to me regardless, but this time I'm on the prowl. And since no one cares when they do it to me, I see no reason why I can't do it to them. How else are they gonna learn, eh?

Nazulu:

Compatriot Block:

Nazulu:

Get cranky then. What do you really want to say to me, huh? If you know something we don't then you should share it. Unless your just going to throw insults too. This what I'm actually talking about if anyone is confused.

Do you know what it's like to be continuously told "you're ignorant" through quotes like "you have nostalgia glasses", "haters gonna hate" or "stop acting like a child"? Give me a good reason why I shouldn't be annoyed time to time.

I actually wasn't referring to you at all. Jesus, throw your tantrum elsewhere. I hadn't even read your post yet.

I've seen your posts in other threads too, and I'll be direct like you always demand. You enter threads with a chip on your shoulder, looking for something to get pissed about. I'm not going to give you a "good reason" for jack shit, because I don't care whether or not you find my posts (which again, had nothing to do with you) annoying.

Since you are confused, I was expecting people to be complaining about the expansion because of misunderstanding some of the released information. I have pointed out ways that they have been mistaken over the past couple of days in a couple posts, and I am tired of negativity, so I wasn't going to this time. It's their opinion, not my business or problem.

But you're special I guess.

Oh Ok. So your timing was just terrible. Gotcha. Next time be more clear then.

And yeah, I sometimes target people who take silent stabs at me, is there a problem with that?

The victim act is tired.

And my timing was terrible? Even when you're almost admitting that you're wrong, you're being ridiculously arrogant. I love how you're giving orders though. Very intimidating.

VanQ:
MoP has been the best expansion yet and Siege of Orgrimmar has been the best raid since Ulduar in my opinion. I'll be buying WoD. I'm a bit apprehensive with what they're doing to gear and stats but as long as the raid content keeps coming I'll keep playing.

How do you feel about the potential stat-squish? As much as I like soloing old content, I'd be willing to deal with more difficulty there if it means we aren't all critting in the millions soon.

You do the dailies to grind the rep to get the gear to do the heroics to get to the raids to wait for the patch to do the new raids and farm the new rep to wait for the patch to do the new raids and farm the new rep...

...and the world keeps turning, and Blizzard promises more expansion packs, and they're gonna come out faster this time! Just like they've said before!

Let me know when they update the combat and break out of that fucking horrible mold of literally grinding dailies non-stop. Then I'll gladly pay the $15 a month.

At least my dwarf who's been in purgatory for the last 4 years will look more like a dwarf and less like Play Dough if he ever sees the light of day again.

VanQ:

Nazulu:

VanQ:

I just went ahead and summed up your entire post for you in one easy sentence. Just because you don't see the value in the games it doesn't mean others don't. WoW has more content than ever before and more freedom to play how you want to play than it ever did before.

Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm BOTH had more content that SC and Brood War combined.

I can't comment on Diablo because I didn't play Diablo 3.

Fantastic. You just proved my point.

This is a perfect example of not understanding of what I'm talking about, just the pathetic generalising that makes me see no reason to respect your opinion at all.

I am sick of passive aggressive posts like yours Van, and it's pretty much why there will never be and end to the flame war. Read your post again, because you didn't prove a fucking thing, you just wanted to make a quick insult to solve whatever problems you may have.

What exactly did you "reveal" about me? That I like WoW and SC2? What an awful person I am.

If you're not happy with the cash shop in WoW, then don't use it. The cash shop does literally nothing to change the gameplay. Also, WoW is not easier than ever, it just has easier options than ever. The heroic mode raids are still there for people that want to push themselves to the limit. They are damn hard, I'm sorry that you see people enjoying LFR and that grinds your gears. I'll let them play how they want and I'll play how I want, because the options are there.

The subscription isn't a problem to me. It keeps the qualityof the content higher than most other games to have a guaranteed source of income. And I worked out the monthly subscription fee just now to be literally 0.2% of my monthly income and I don't even earn that much. It's literally a drop in the bucket.

Funny thing is, I agree with you entirely on Diablo 3. I avoided it because of the real money AH and always online. I still haven't bought or played it and won't do so until they make it offline for the PC.

Way to "reveal" people like me. How dare we enjoy Blizzard games or have standards lower than yours.

Wow. Did you really think I was talking about who liked what? No. I was talking about flippant posts that are just there to put down others. That's it. These generalisations are what I'm talking about.

I want to know if it's because I took a stab at Blizzard. Is that what fired you up?

Edit: Sorry for screwing that quote up.

BQE:

synobal:
Like a man desperately doing chest compressions to a corpse, maybe if blizzard compresses faster it might jump start it's heart.

That's just so mean! The game is not dead!

"It is not possible to kill that which has no life."
To quote a certain story.

WoW is fine, doomsaying has been systemic with various MMOs for a while now; Blizzard's entry is certainly no different. I understand there's a phenomenon involving people hating things people do that are successful that other people strive to imitate, but I've found my experience with Blizzard's games to be great.

It's almost as if people want World of Warcraft to sputter, fail, and cease to exist.

I must ask, why? If people continue to enjoy the franchise what harm is there in letting it continue to be?

I was a Blizzard supporter since Warcraft: Orcs and Humans. I owned every single one of their games, beta tested 3 expansions of WoW. Ever since Activision took them over, the quality of their story telling has declined, the stability of their game has become laughable, and their solution to their problems is to double down. WoW had original story telling until cataclysm, when most of its content was ripped off from other sources, and started doing mary sues with its lore characters. The trend continued in MoP and their much loved CRZ had so many bugs that were reported during their "beta" which was more of a "here's a free preview" because them bugs went live, and their lead developer gave their bug reporters a big F you by telling them that if they dislike CRZ, it's because they just want a single player game and should go play skyrim instead.

The decline started in cataclysm, they lost more during MoP in less than 1 year, than it took Cataclysm. And now, they are going for even crappier stories, going pay to win, and ignoring the causes of their games decline by doubling down and continuing down a path that caused the mess to begin with. So in a nutshell, WoW and Blizzard used to be a name brand, now, it deserves to go down into oblivion.

Compatriot Block:

VanQ:
MoP has been the best expansion yet and Siege of Orgrimmar has been the best raid since Ulduar in my opinion. I'll be buying WoD. I'm a bit apprehensive with what they're doing to gear and stats but as long as the raid content keeps coming I'll keep playing.

How do you feel about the potential stat-squish? As much as I like soloing old content, I'd be willing to deal with more difficulty there if it means we aren't all critting in the millions soon.

I'm not too worried about the stat squish personally. As far as I've heard, if you can do it now, you can do it after the squish. Blizzard said that they were simply applying a flat % across all content and characters. So oyur numbers won't be as big but you'll be doing an equal % of damage as you were before.

I will miss my 3 million Chaos Bolts though. Ahh well, better take some screenshots now.

Compatriot Block:
The victim act is tired.

And my timing was terrible? Even when you're almost admitting that you're wrong, you're being ridiculously arrogant. I love how you're giving orders though. Very intimidating.

Victim act? Admitting I'm wrong? Arrogant? Giving orders?

I dare you to explain these.

Edit: Ah shit. Screwed up the quote

Nazulu:

Wow. Did you really think I was talking about who liked what? No. I was talking about flippant posts that are just there to put down others. That's it. These generalisations are what I'm talking about.

I want to know if it's because I took a stab at Blizzard. Is that what fired you up?

Or you know, when you came in here and started blithering about how dare our standards be so low when compared to your mighty standards of goodness? You literally entered this conversation with a blanket statement that anyone that doesn't hold up to your opinion or standards that they are lower than you.

You came into a topic about WoW and flipped out about how it's so far below you and anyone that happens to like it must have low standards. You appear to be completely ignorant to the fact that the cash shop in WoW changed literally nothing in the actual gameplay model or mechanics of the game.

And I think Blizzard's choice to split the SC2 campaign into three is a logical one from both a business and gameplay perspective. We're getting 2 full length campaigns for the price of an expansion pack and you're complaining?

VanQ:

Compatriot Block:

VanQ:
MoP has been the best expansion yet and Siege of Orgrimmar has been the best raid since Ulduar in my opinion. I'll be buying WoD. I'm a bit apprehensive with what they're doing to gear and stats but as long as the raid content keeps coming I'll keep playing.

How do you feel about the potential stat-squish? As much as I like soloing old content, I'd be willing to deal with more difficulty there if it means we aren't all critting in the millions soon.

I'm not too worried about the stat squish personally. As far as I've heard, if you can do it now, you can do it after the squish. Blizzard said that they were simply applying a flat % across all content and characters. So oyur numbers won't be as big but you'll be doing an equal % of damage as you were before.

I will miss my 3 million Chaos Bolts though. Ahh well, better take some screenshots now.

Apparently though, because of the exponential growth between expansions, a flat percentage cut to us at level 90 is much more significant than it is for level 60 monsters. There have been big write-ups with more math than is reasonable, but I guess the gist of it is that we will lose more stats relative to our current numbers than, say, Molten Core will.

Nilanius:

The decline started in cataclysm, they lost more during MoP in less than 1 year, than it took Cataclysm. And now, they are going for even crappier stories, going pay to win, and ignoring the causes of their games decline by doubling down and continuing down a path that caused the mess to begin with.

1. Most of the lost subs were lost during Cata or right before MoP was released. In short, Cata was the weight that drove everything down. The sub losses are starting to stabilize and its still larger than any of its competition.

2. Crappier stories? They've revealed so little about the next expansion, how do you already know the whole plot?

3. Pay to win? I may be mistaken, but I don't believe any part of WoW is pay to win.

4. The causes of their game's decline. Which would be...what exactly? Everyone seems to have an opinion on this yet they are almost never the same (unless they're incredibly vague). Considering that they ask you why you quit when you quit, I'm sure Blizz knows exactly why they've lost the numbers they lost and are taking steps to change. MoP, for instance, was very much a different game (well, as different as you can get realistically) from Cata. Whether it was a right direction or a wrong direction, it was a change and not continuing down the same path. On the whole, MoP has been well received.

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