Ubisoft, Other Devs, Dismissing Recent YouTube Content Claims

Ubisoft, Other Devs, Dismissing Recent YouTube Content Claims

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Similar blessings have also come from Valve and Oddworld Inhabitants, as publishers encourage fans to keep making videos despite YouTube policy changes.

YouTube users uploading footage from Ubisoft games have recently found copyright claims filed against them. However, Ubisoft has assured its fans that nothing has changed in the company outlook towards YouTube and that they "plan to work with as many of you as possible to help remove any incorrect claims," according to a statement on the company blog. "At Ubisoft, we value the talented content creators on YouTube, and we want to empower all of you to produce Ubisoft-related videos," continued the statement. "We would like to reiterate today that nothing has changed in our policy and approach to YouTube content creators ... We appreciate your creative work and we will continue to support your efforts."

The claims were the result of recent changes in how YouTube allows copyright holders to file claims against video posters, stated Ubisoft. Many of the claims on Ubisoft-related material came from a company called IDOL, a longtime partner of Ubisoft which assisted in digitally distributing its music. Ubisoft stated that they're working closely with IDOL to remove the claims, which may take another week or so. The post directed specific questions or requests to be directed towards [email protected].

Around the web, other publishers have also spoken up and told their fans to keep making videos. VG247 reports that both Valve and Oddworld Inhabitants want players to continue posting content related to their titles. "We encourage our users to make videos using Valve game content, such as playthrough or instruction videos or SFM movies," read an official statement from the house of Half-Life. Likewise, Oddworld Inhabitants also gave explicit permission to post videos of their games. "Nothing makes us happier than to see you guys enjoying our games, and it's something we encourage wholeheartedly," the company said.

Source: Ubisoft, VG247

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There is a very creepy obsessive focus on UBISOFT in this news article. Despite the fact that Capcom and almost every indie game dev have also said the same thing. Shouldn't the news be more about devs dismissing copyright claims, and not just MIGHTY UBISOFT?

Twenty Ninjas:
There is a very creepy obsessive focus on UBISOFT in this news article. Despite the fact that Capcom and almost every indie game dev have also said the same thing. Shouldn't the news be more about devs dismissing copyright claims, and not just MIGHTY UBISOFT?

Ubisoft is almost hated as much as EA by PC gamers so it's great flame bait. On topic companies encouraging people to make videos means jack shit until they help the content creators shut this thing down permanently. If people cant support themselves doing the content, the amount of time and quality of videos is going to reflect that. It won't cripple the companies if YouTube continue this route but it would be foolish to assume there would be no negative backlash on their bottom line.

I honestly just can't wrap my head around why any game company or movie studio wouldn't want their content being used to make review videos (for games and movies) and playthroughs/instructions (more for just games). It gets your brand name out there, it gets people interested in your specific product, and it costs you absolutely nothing. You'd think such free advertisement would be something companies would do backflips for, but apparently a Lets Player making a little bit of scratch (that isn't coming out of the company's pockets) on the side completely negates all that free publicity.

Ofc nintendo is not among the companys to actually step up for it's community here. I love theyr stuff but they are such a bunch of backwards greedy fuckwits in this regard.

DaViller:
Ofc nintendo is not among the companys to actually step up for it's community here. I love theyr stuff but they are such a bunch of backwards greedy fuckwits in this regard.

Unfortunately they're one of a few publishers that are taking advantage of the situation and filing copyright claims of their own against as many videos as they can.
Nintendo ain't as warm and fluffy as they like to make themselves out to be.
Sega and Square Enix are apparently doing the same thing.

DaViller:
Ofc nintendo is not among the companys to actually step up for it's community here. I love theyr stuff but they are such a bunch of backwards greedy fuckwits in this regard.

They are, unfortunately. There was actually a separate Nintendo copyright blitz some months ago.

Captcha: Good Samaritan

..riiiiiiiiiiiiight....

"We know we just bit you when a bunch of stuff changed... but keep doing what you've been and we promise not to bite you again. But we might bite you a few more times before this all gets settled... but keep doing it, eventually we'll stop hurting you, we swear."

I'm inclined to believe that they weren't planning on attacking so many people, but still, they've now been given the power to beat us like annoying red-headed stepchildren... and they beat us like annoying red-headed stepchildren, but they're very sorry and they won't let it happen again. They were just having a bad time this week.

Maybe people should just stop relying on YouTube to be their one and only source of video and audio content on the entire Internet.

But nobody ever will.

Russian cunt pulls a Tim Langdell and gets every video relating to the Persona video game series removed(including those put up by Atlus themselves)-no stories involving the incident.

SEGA gets a bunch of vids with Shining, Force or Shining Force in the title removed- no stories involving the incident.

Littlekuriboh STILL keeps getting his channel banned by trolls who think it's funny to pretend to be 4Kids- no stories involving the incidents.

Nintendo tries to get remove the current image of the FGC removed from their image- Front page shitstorm.

Some guy who does first impressions video gets removed- front page shitstorm.

Companies say they're not doing the removals on Youtube- front page shitstorm.

Guy's, get your priorities straight. We all know everyone's deciding to finally jump on this bandwagon because only now it will affect them. Seriously, this isn't a issue that started last week. This has been going on for years. Only now people want to get involved because it's the cool thing to do.

Pebkio:
They were just having a bad time this week.

This time it is actually completely true, Google has it's bots running claims on content without companies permission and then sending out messages to creators that it's X companies claim when they never approved it.
It's even gone so far as shady companies creating illegal content claims so the bots will redirect money to them when the content was never even theirs, there is just no fucking oversight right now.

What the balls Google was thinking when this SkyLawnet went into play will probably never be clear.

When a game publisher tells you something is stupid as hell and is trampling on user rights, you know you have an issue.

Well it's good to know not all game Publishers are (complete) dickheads.

DaViller:
Ofc nintendo is not among the companys to actually step up for it's community here. I love theyr stuff but they are such a bunch of backwards greedy fuckwits in this regard.

I find that rather sad really.

Google was too fast to do something,then noting.

Before this google did little to nothing about "bad" content, they got in a hurry to do something and their robots were over zealous.

So the whole system went haywire and the utube creators went ballistic, this on the heels of the great comment controversy trying to roll up gtalk, fb, twitter and etc and mucking up the whole system so troll comments got to the top comments.

There is talk of some going to twitch, twitch has its own issues but for all intents has been been bulletproof on copyright claims, despite a ton of user streams containing copyrighted music and cutscenes and etc.

Goggle is trying to get a handle on things, they do not want to be a haven for copyright violations but striking a line between fair use, and do not get me started on how big business has gutted fair use laws, and corporate IP interests is a more murky area than maybe ever before.

We live in a time when alternate media is blossoming on utube, some of that media is not very kinda to the games industry as a whole, some big business and devs in general abuse the system to shut this media down. If twitch gets big and used enough the focus will just shift from utube to twitch or w/e all this new media goes.

RJ 17:
I honestly just can't wrap my head around why any game company or movie studio wouldn't want their content being used to make review videos (for games and movies) and playthroughs/instructions (more for just games). It gets your brand name out there, it gets people interested in your specific product, and it costs you absolutely nothing. You'd think such free advertisement would be something companies would do backflips for, but apparently a Lets Player making a little bit of scratch (that isn't coming out of the company's pockets) on the side completely negates all that free publicity.

One thought is that Let's Players will just say a game is crap if it's crap. This means that developers can't sneak crap games through and have a bunch of people buying it based on trailers and hype. Quite what the likes of World War Z and other unfinished games that people bought anyway mean to this equation, I don't know.

I hope this can get worked out. Under other circumstances, something like this could turn into the kind of fury that led to actual reform of IP and Fair Use laws; as it stands, it's getting virtually no attention from the mainstream press that I can detect, as it seems to only effect the video game community. So it's a real question if the game publishers and smaller content providers can actually raise enough ruckus to make Google enact what would probably be an expensive and time-consuming change.

It's an uncomfortable reflection, however, of what may happen if we let Google become the de facto Internet. They may already be so big that they feel no need to change course based on user outcry, confident that there are few real alternatives.

Seems like a lot of companies aren't hesitating about throwing Google under the bus with this Content ID debacle.

Not that I'm blaming them. This is a horrible system, and the fact that it's hurting the companies' reputations as well as the incomes of all of the hard working YouTubers doesn't help.

Yeah I know Blizzard put out an announcement yesterday on Twitter and their forums to message them if anything was flagged incorrectly.

Freakin' youtube man...

Does this mean we can still watch videos of people playing Rocksmith, and Literal Tobuscus videos about Assassin's Creed?

Sorry but those were the first two things that popped into my head when I saw the article. Either way it will be interesting to see who Ubisoft decides to let stay and who to let go.

Mysterious Hooded man watches, from a distance...

I dunno about the other companies, but it doesn't surprise me that Valve is okay with people using their IP. You don't just make multiple different animation and game capture tools for your games, only to suddenly shit on people who actually use them. (Call me a fanboy, don't care :D)

Frankly, what bothers me about this whole thing is that Youtube thought that it was a good idea to trust a glorified, overzealous Google search engine to hunt down copyright infringements with a "guilty until proven innocent" attitude, even if the owners of said copyright had ZERO interest in putting out such claims.

Wasn't the issue that the vids were monetized and not just the fact they existed?

IDOL has been overactive in sending out automated copyright claims for a looong time. Even so much as 15 seconds or so of Assassin's Creed music is enough for them to file an automated claim. However my past experiences are that challenging the claim has been enough to get IDOL to back off. The automated system is just way overtuned and aggressive, adopting the "Guilty before Innocent" stance, and it's been like this for years already.

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/773564-Ubisoft-policy-on-YouTube-videos

Ahem. What was that again? While they're oh so generously working to repeal their misfired claims, they're talking out the other side of their mouth about how they intend to police content (including reviews) rather rigidly, as well as "We are not equipped to handle individual video appeals".

Charli:
Yeah I know Blizzard put out an announcement yesterday on Twitter and their forums to message them if anything was flagged incorrectly.

Freakin' youtube man...

Not just that, but they also stated that, as long as YOU are not making a profit off their games, they could care less if you post on YouTube.

OT: I think Fair Use as been completely gray lined since the whole Metallica vs. Napster incident. It is great that some companies are allowing their games to be posted, but I am sure they are going Blizzard's route of "NO PROFITING OFF OF THIS" or they will flag you.

It's essentially he said/she said right now, and Google's pretty much walled off, so do we have a reliable way to tell who's telling the truth?

DaViller:
Ofc nintendo is not among the companys to actually step up for it's community here. I love theyr stuff but they are such a bunch of backwards greedy fuckwits in this regard.

But Nintendo cares about its customer base!

I see nothing about letting YouTubers make advertising profits off of there videos in the article.

To be honest, the fact that they haven't even mentioned it, still leads me to suspect they're gonna act like a pack of cunts.

CpT_x_Killsteal:
To be honest, the fact that they haven't even mentioned it, still leads me to suspect they're gonna act like a pack of cunts.

Yeah, that's about how I read the statement. "We know you just lost your main income streams, but please keep giving us free advertising anyway!"

You know its hard to believe them when you read the youtube spokesperson statement.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/12/11/5200418/youtube-defends-copyright-crackdown
"This has resulted in new copyright claims for some users, based on policies set by the relevant content owners."
Youtube robot used policies set by people like Ubisoft to catch them. If Ubisoft havent set such policies to begin with the bot would have no reference to block the content at all.
Though to be fair it does look more like youtube fucking up again and crosreferencing some music owners copyright claim on a videogame video that has this as background music (which they already gave all rights to the game company by allowing thier soundtrack be in the game, they no longer have a claim in it).
So yes, you should still very much hate publishers for this, except probably not the game publishers this time.

Twenty Ninjas:
There is a very creepy obsessive focus on UBISOFT in this news article. Despite the fact that Capcom and almost every indie game dev have also said the same thing. Shouldn't the news be more about devs dismissing copyright claims, and not just MIGHTY UBISOFT?

from what i can understand in this debacle, Ubisoft was the first to come out and say they think those claism are wrong and they are going to fix it, as well as the loudest.

Steve the Pocket:
Maybe people should just stop relying on YouTube to be their one and only source of video and audio content on the entire Internet.

But nobody ever will.

That woudl be perfect, but as you say, wont happen. Then again, myspace was destroyed, so who knows. Personally i watch more video content here at escapist (and they host thier own as far as im aware, though they do mirror at youtube but i dont watch them there) than on youtube. The only things i go to youtube nowadays are Jims youtube channel and Desert Bus. Desert bus can be watched on twitch though, so Jims the only reason i would need to visit youtube. Ironicly. (though he seems to not be uploading anymore for whatever reason, so yeah)

RaikuFA:
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granted i was not even aware of the incidents you pointed out as noone cares, as it wasnt reported anywhere. But i have to say in comparison this tens of thousands of removals over 1 day is much more widespread problem than localized single person harrasment. I agree that all should be reported, but as you say now everyone is hurting so everyone will care.

cerebus23:
Google was too fast to do something,then noting.

Before this google did little to nothing about "bad" content, they got in a hurry to do something and their robots were over zealous.

they were overzealous BEFORE this incident. and i speak from personal experience. Not to mention that you cant find public domain movies on youtube now because bot removes even if its in public domain. Youtubes bots were always the msot zealous of them all, they just got "new policies set by content owners" added to them.

There is talk of some going to twitch, twitch has its own issues but for all intents has been been bulletproof on copyright claims, despite a ton of user streams containing copyrighted music and cutscenes and etc.

Very true here. i know a few streamers who leave the stream on 24/7 and when they are not around they actually play youtube music playlists on it. yet, they are top contributors getting paid for it.

Goggle is trying to get a handle on things, they do not want to be a haven for copyright violations but striking a line between fair use, and do not get me started on how big business has gutted fair use laws, and corporate IP interests is a more murky area than maybe ever before.

They stopped being a haven for copyright violations somewhere around 2009-2010 once thier bot got so active they started banning fair use content. people who want to break copyright has moved onto other sites by now.

None of them seemed to mention monetisation, though. That's the real issue here. I'd certainly like to hear some straight statements from all of them on that.

RJ 17:
I honestly just can't wrap my head around why any game company or movie studio wouldn't want their content being used to make review videos (for games and movies) and playthroughs/instructions (more for just games). It gets your brand name out there, it gets people interested in your specific product, and it costs you absolutely nothing. You'd think such free advertisement would be something companies would do backflips for, but apparently a Lets Player making a little bit of scratch (that isn't coming out of the company's pockets) on the side completely negates all that free publicity.

Uhm, they do. Did you even read the article? Nintendo may be a different story (cause they are retarded when it comes to PR and advertising) but most game devs see it exactly as you outlined and don't mind the content creator making some money of it - the IP holders aren't even the ones making the claims. There are posts from companies everywhere saying they didn't file any claims.
Watch Angry Joe talking about this, how Youtube flagged an interview with a Tomb Raider dev, saying the Tomb Raider people flagged it.
In this one he gets into more detail on how his stuff is flagged. This one is more interesting to watch.

It's retarded. Would be great if there was another platform everyone went to.

SL33TBL1ND:
None of them seemed to mention monetisation, though. That's the real issue here. I'd certainly like to hear some straight statements from all of them on that.

It's worth noting that a lot of these companies have given the go-ahead on monetisation, including Ubisoft and Valve. Why that (pretty major if you ask me) fact wasn't included in the article is beyond me.

Straight from the Ubisoft Video Policy

You are free to monetize your videos via the YouTube partner program and similar programs on other video
sharing sites.

BushMonstar:

SL33TBL1ND:
None of them seemed to mention monetisation, though. That's the real issue here. I'd certainly like to hear some straight statements from all of them on that.

It's worth noting that a lot of these companies have given the go-ahead on monetisation, including Ubisoft and Valve. Why that (pretty major if you ask me) fact wasn't included in the article is beyond me.

Straight from the Ubisoft Video Policy

You are free to monetize your videos via the YouTube partner program and similar programs on other video
sharing sites.

Well, that's good to hear. Thanks for the additional info.

 

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